LY Orders 15 Dreamliners

omerlich · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:08 pm

LY's board authorized today to lease and/or purchase 15 b787 +13 options for an unspecified a/c.
congradulations!!

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4687982,00.html

karadion · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:13 pm

That's not surprising and it was inevitable. Looking forward to seeing those on the production line.

Tdan · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:17 pm

Congrats to LY! I assume this will be a mix of 788/789s to replace the existing longhaul fleet and allow for some growth with the options? Anything on initial delivery dates yet?

Miami · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:17 pm

Great news! Now.. Can we finally see MIA?!

This is not surprising. And apparently will be a 744 and 763 replacement.

if the translation is correct:

Quote:

The process will begin receiving new planes half of 2017. "I am proud to announce today the largest procurement program to the history," said CEO David to the financing. "The Board of Directors today approved the company to negotiate with Boeing Dreamliner jets towards equipping all over the body, which is expected to cover the purchase and lease of 15 aircraft next five years. This move is expected to be a significant step up routes network optimization, service to passengers and flight experience. "

G500 · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:19 pm

yeah when it comes to ordering American build airplanes, EL AL is more American than U.S airlines

No surprise at all

omerlich · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:23 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):

Indeed correct.
The planes will replace the 744 and 763

Miami · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:26 pm

Quoting omerlich (Reply 5):

Great! Thanks for confirming.

RedChili · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:30 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 2):
I assume this will be a mix of 788/789s to replace the existing longhaul fleet and allow for some growth with the options?

The 788 has been "dead" for several years (orders). I really hope that they are going for a -9 and -10 mix.

Aesma · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:33 pm

They don't want to get them later than Iranian airlines... :p

PM · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:34 pm

Now then. They chose RR for their 757s and 777s. Just saying...

winterlight · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:39 pm

What? No A350s to balance things out?

32andBelow · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:41 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 10):
What? No A350s to balance things out?

Balance what out?

winterlight · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:44 pm

I was taking the pish.

IslandRob · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:54 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 12):
I was taking the pish.

Taking or talking? -ir

A388 · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:55 pm

Congratulations to LY and Boeing on this 787 order. In my opinion this order was long overdue looking at the pretty old LY widebody fleet. And as others have said, no surprise to see them go for Boeing. I'm still hoping to seeing an Airbus order for LY in the (near) future.

A388

aa87 · Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:06 pm

Pointless speculation but possible new cities w 787s are Montreal, Houston, IAD, ORD. MIA is 100% certain. Any other speculation ?

Anyone think there's a chance of new or updated livery ? their "new" one is actually pushing 20 years I believe ...

Tdan · Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:11 pm

Quoting RedChili (Reply 7):
The 788 has been "dead" for several years (orders). I really hope that they are going for a -9 and -10 mix.

Except you can get 788 delivery slots relatively soon and LY doesnt need the capacity of a -10 outside of JFK. The 744 is way too big for the current operation and 788s would open up quite a few new markets (MIA, ORD, SFO, etc). -9s can be direct 772 replacements eventually.

Stitch · Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:19 pm

If their first frames are coming in 2017, I imagine those would have to be leased frames, so that could include 787-8s (which would most likely be used as a 767 replacement) depending on lessor inventory.

seabosdca · Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:22 pm

Once this order is finalized, we'll know from Boeing's reporting whether any or all of the frames are from existing lessor orders. If they have flexibility to choose the type, I think it would be either all -9s or mostly -9s with a few -10s. But as Stitch says -8s may be available from lessors sooner and/or more easily.

I wonder if the undisclosed options could be for 777X? I tend to think JFK and LHR could support the 777-9X.

B8887 · Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:31 pm

Those will be fine looking airplanes. Congrats to Boeing and LY. Basically they will become the backbone, or make that the only type of their long haul fleet.

Regards.

B8887

behramjee · Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:59 pm

Currently, LY has 6 B744s + 6 B772ERs + 6 B763ERs that needs replacing. For LY to order 15 firm + 13 options means there is major expansion planned and if it solely revolves around the B787 family then yes I expect all 3 variants to be ordered:

B781s replacing B744s
B789s replacing B772ERs
B788s replacing B763ERs

For future expansion, yes MIA is a given as expected by many. I too expect IAD and ORD to follow once the B788s start getting delivered.

817Dreamliiner · Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:44 pm

Boeing Press release, but no mention of variants ordered:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=20295&item=129496

KarelXWB · Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:52 pm

Seems that Stitch was right, the press release above says:

Quote:
Israel Airlines has announced its intent to purchase and lease up to 15 787 Dreamliners

SR380 · Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:10 pm

Finally. I expected this for a long time. Hope they will introduce new cabin too. Too bad it's not a mixture of 748 787 and 777x.

MUCramp · Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:21 pm

Any information on the engines, yet?

brindabella · Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:44 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 16):

Except you can get 788 delivery slots relatively soon

How so?

Is there a better delivery/stock of the 788 components?

Bill

Sooner787 · Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:10 pm

Quoting brindabella (Reply 25):
How so?

Is there a better delivery/stock of the 788 components?

Bill

I'll bet the first batch will be 788's to replace the 763's and

those could come from the delivery spots Aeroflot was holding

jfk777 · Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:27 pm

betting on 787-9 for the longer flights to LAX and some 787-10 for greater passenger needs to JFK and Newark.

karadion · Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:46 pm

Quoting brindabella (Reply 25):

It's due to how Boeing does the production rate. Each variant has a protected rate. Boeing doesn't let x amount of a certain variant be produced more than another variant in a month. They do decide what the protected production rate will be at a given point in the future. So until the -10 goes into service, the -8 and -9 have a specific protected rate per month.

PanAm_DC10 · Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:39 am

Quoting omerlich (Thread starter):
+13 options for an unspecified a/c.

Is there any indication as to what frames these extra 13 options are for?

Regards

LAX772LR · Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:24 am

Quoting aa87 (Reply 15):
possible new cities w 787s are Montreal, Houston, IAD, ORD. MIA is 100% certain.

Is Israel still ICAO downgraded?

omerlich · Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:27 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 30):

No,back to 1

rbavfan · Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:42 am

I think initially they will replace 763 & 772 as the -8 & -9 fit that bill. Som -10 will be in the options to replace the 747's that are to large for them, but 789 would be to small.
Will cut MX down when all done to 2 types 737 & 787 vs current 4 types 747/777/767/737.

qf340500 · Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:51 am

no surprise here... I guess after the Iran deal, the US (and Boeing in the wake of it) needed to give LY a sweat deal ha ha

Good luck and Congrats to both...

flymia · Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:07 am

While I agree MIA is a logical expansion point with the 787, it might not be a given if AA gets on MIA-TLV first.

Miami · Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:31 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 34):
While I agree MIA is a logical expansion point with the 787, it might not be a given if AA gets on MIA-TLV first.

Ha. AA isn't going to start it. If they ever do. I'll be very surprised.

Anyways, I've been waiting for the return of LY to MIA. So I do hope MIA is the next US city for them. Makes sense and the 787 is ideal.

aa87 · Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:38 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 34):
it might not be a given if AA gets on MIA-TLV first.

Good point. I know this has been discussed several times before on this board, but I still don't understand how neither LY nor AA currently serves this route non-stop. I know LY has had on and off one-stop and interline service, and I think occasional n/s, but with the explosive growth of the expat Israeli population in South Florida and South American connections, I can't believe neither carrier is flying it. Why hasn't AA jumped in already, especially with its hub power ??

eal · Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:40 am

Congrats LY, I hope they introduce and upgraded scheme on these new 787's. While the return to US cities like MIA and IAD are a given, could we see some more Asia? PVG or/and NRT? Unless that's all covered by HKG and PEK.

Miami · Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:05 am

For anyone interested in knowing the largest Jewish populations in the US:

http://ava.publicreligion.org/#religious/2014/MetroAreas/religion/m/
http://www.jta.org/2015/08/03/news-o...-are-americas-3-most-jewish-cities

LAX772LR · Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:32 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 38):
For anyone interested in knowing the largest Jewish populations in the US:

That's actually a bad chart, as ranking by % of population doesn't mean much to an airline.

For example, 2% of QLA is a far larger number than 3% of WAS.

That said, nice links.

Miami · Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:18 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 39):

Just saying. Something is something.

MAH4546 · Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:21 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 40):
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 39):

Just saying. Something is something.

But it's not what you claim it is. You said it represents the largest Jewish communities in the U.S. It absolutely does not - it is a percentage of what people in each identify as Jewish.

The largest Jewish community is New York, and then LA and Miami (and people debate which one is larger, they are close). Nothing else comes close to Miami/LA/NYC.

Miami · Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:27 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 41):
But it's not what you claim it is.

But did I ever say the chart? Never claimed anything. Yeah, sure, I should've used a different word but its quite the obvious. As the link I provided says New York, Boston and Miami are the three most Jewish metro areas per capita in the country.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 41):
The largest Jewish community is New York, and then LA and Miami (and people debate which one is larger, they are close). Nothing else comes close to Miami/LA/NYC.

The Jewish population in the Miami area is believed to be more than 500,000. Only New York(2 Million) and Los Angeles (600,000) have higher numbers.

[Edited 2015-08-05 22:28:50]

kevin · Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:45 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 38):
For anyone interested in knowing the largest Jewish populations in the US:

Israel is a country which has a lot to offer so this map of yours doesn't say much. People can be going there as tourists, on business and for a myriad of other reasons

brindabella · Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:24 am

Quoting Karadion (Reply 28):
It's due to how Boeing does the production rate. Each variant has a protected rate. Boeing doesn't let x amount of a certain variant be produced more than another variant in a month. They do decide what the protected production rate will be at a given point in the future. So until the -10 goes into service, the -8 and -9 have a specific protected rate per month.

Thanks. Due to parts-supplier obligations, maybe?

ilyag · Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:37 am

The link posted here talks about 787-8 and 787-9, it doesn't mention -10.

I'm sure it will help a lot to LY's bottom line, as operating those ancient 767s and 747s is probably very expensive nowadays and 747s are way too big for such a small company, even if they can fill them when flying to places like JFK, LHR. It will also bring their longhaul product back into 21st century - no more flying IFE museums (aka LY's 744s, featuring the 1994-vintage IFE), not to mention 767s. However, as much as I love the dreamliners, this is going to be a step in a wrong direction in terms on Y passenger comfort. Even today 15 hours at the back of LY's 777 to LAX is "not fun", I would hate to do that onboard the dreamliner. There is a reason TK does so well is Israel, despite all the political tensions.

AWACSooner · Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:09 am

Just curious...when did they dump the 762's? I saw one in LAX a little over a decade ago and haven't seen one since.

EL-AL · Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:14 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 46):
Just curious...when did they dump the 762's? I saw one in LAX a little over a decade ago and haven't seen one since.

Last one removed in 2013 if i'm not mistaken.

KarelXWB · Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:00 am

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 32):
I think initially they will replace 763 & 772 as the -8 & -9 fit that bill. Som -10 will be in the options to replace the 747's that are to large for them, but 789 would be to small.

Here's what El Al themselves says:

The 787-9s will “gradually” replace the carrier’s six 747-400s, and the 787-8s will succeed seven 767-300ERs now in operation, El Al says.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...l-to-acquire-up-to-28-787s-415430/

jfk69 · Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:40 pm

Great news for LY but will be sorry to see another airline lose the 747's...One less Queen of the sky.

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