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A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:41 am

We discussed the proposed 11-abreast setup for the A380 before:

Official: A380 Offers 11 Across (by glbltrvlr Apr 14 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Now more details have emerged. According to the blueprint below, the seats will be 18" wide with 1.5" arm rests while aisle width will be 17". Additionally both window seats will be positioned higher to offer the same comfort as the other seats.

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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:53 am

Hilarious. Who is going to want to sit in a high chair! Is it April 1st again already?

[Edited 2015-08-06 02:59:17]
 
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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:55 am

While vehemently opposed to ANY increase in seat count in this regard, I must admit... that's an innovative solution.
Elevating that outboard seat.... might make me at least CONSIDER flying in that config.
But I'm not sure that it addresses the footspace issue for window seat passengers. It accomplishes seat width, yes... but where will that person's feet go?
 
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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:57 am

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 1):
Who is going to want to sit in a high chair!

Would be the ideal seat for teachers when traveling with students... or referees ... or supervisors .... or royals...  
 
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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:19 am

I seriously doubt that this arrangement is going to be seriously considered. When EK walked away from 11 abreast, so did the possibility.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:38 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
While vehemently opposed to ANY increase in seat count in this regard, I must admit... that's an innovative solution.
Elevating that outboard seat.... might make me at least CONSIDER flying in that config.

It seems also a more efficient solution than raising the floor for all seats. This small change to the outer seats weighs much less, and still has all the benefits of 18" seats. Which will raise the CASM-attractiveness of the A380 of course. Whether or not many potential or existing customers will adapt this option remains to be seen of course, but the idea is quite good imho.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:49 am

Actually I think it might be just as comfortable as currently. What I don't like about the current window seats is that the wall/windows are so far away that you can't lean your head against it and sleep because you can't flip back the arm rest, even with 2-3 pillows it's hard. I only hope there is no hard edge between the window and middle seat, so you can still use it to sleep if the middle seat is empty.
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:13 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 6):
What I don't like about the current window seats is that the wall/windows are so far away that you can't lean your head against it and sleep because you can't flip back the arm rest, even with 2-3 pillows it's hard.

That is true. So hopefully this solution will solve this "problem" as well.  
 
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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:19 am

The plan indicates +1.86 inches higher for the outer seats.

But it also indicates -1.13 inches lower in the middle section - what is that about?
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 3):
Would be the ideal seat for teachers when traveling with students... or referees ... or supervisors .... or royals...
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 3):
Quoting fcogafa (Reply 1):Who is going to want to sit in a high chair!
Would be the ideal seat for teachers when traveling with students... or referees ... or supervisors .... or royals...

Who wants to sit in a 'high-chair'...... children maybe ?
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 4):
I seriously doubt that this arrangement is going to be seriously considered.

I hope you're right, but I feel like there was a time not too long ago where the same was said about 10-abreast in the 77W.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:37 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 1):
Who is going to want to sit in a high chair!

Me!
Having long legs, a higher seat makes a big difference when knee room is limited. Sign me up!
 
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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:46 pm

I would imagine then that the actual seat width would be 16.5 inches, which is equivalent to 9 abreast on an A330 (think Air Asia X) and worse than 10 abreast on the 777.

I've managed that seat width on 7 hour flights but any longer than that and I would struggle.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:53 pm

I think its innovative to solve the problem. That said I guess they may make the outer 3 seats staggered to get those inches needed while offering space to put the IFE in the raised seats newly gained space. Also they could offer a foot rest on that row for hanging your feet and I am sure people would fight for these seats.

I would very much prefer a 9 or 10 abreast A380 but the reality is that if cheap air transportation is a reality so it is the cramped cabin.

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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:01 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Additionally both window seats will be positioned higher to offer the same comfort as the other seats.

While the top of the window seat cushion may now match the other seats, window seat foot space will still be more restricted at floor level due to the curving sidewalls.

Seat cushion width is not the sole measurement that determines seat comfort.

The arm rests look really interesting for the middle seat of the triple. Will one of them be 3" higher than the other?

[Edited 2015-08-06 08:30:05]
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:05 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 3):
Would be the ideal seat for teachers when traveling with students... or referees ... or supervisors .... or royals...  

LOL. Will men in certain cultures have a problem with a female passenger sitting higher than them?
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:08 pm

They are not going to do this in order to get 18" seats when the airlines have proven they don't care about 18" seats. And lifting the seat doesn't do anything to improve the leg room. In fact, it makes it worse for the outboard leg, similar to the condition of sitting in the A seat of an ERJ. On a short haul, your leg just starts to cramp before the flight is over. But on a 12 hour flight?

17" seats might solve the issue, but Airbus is against that because they want to say their planes are more comfortable.
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:14 pm

I'm not quite getting why raising that seat will provide more comfort. It is simply a matter of the small increase in the knee to floor dimension?
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:21 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Additionally both window seats will be positioned higher to offer the same comfort as the other seats.

This would seem to require some fairly unusual custom seating units with one seat taller than the others in each group of three.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 11):
Having long legs, a higher seat makes a big difference when knee room is limited. Sign me up!

It helps in that respect, but you'll also end up with less floor area for your feet to go in.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:31 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 8):
The plan indicates +1.86 inches higher for the outer seats.

But it also indicates -1.13 inches lower in the middle section - what is that about?

Southwest airlines lowered the seats recently (called Evolve) to increase overhead bin space (I think). And they got tons of negative reviews for that. 1" lowering wouldn't be popular especially for those tall passengers but they can sit on the window seats which are higher... but would their heads reach the top? I would put my kid to the higher window seat for easier control and communication.

As others mentioned, it looks innovative. When firstly announced, I thought whole floor will be raised by 2 inches which makes it costly to convert back and forth between current 10- and 11-abreast versions. But it looks possible and Airbus minimized discomfort.

Could Airbus put 9-abreast on the upper deck, keeping 18" width? Or will it be left as it is and called Y+?
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 12):

I would imagine then that the actual seat width would be 16.5 inches, which is equivalent to 9 abreast on an A330 (think Air Asia X) and worse than 10 abreast on the 777.

Because 18" seat width minus 1.5" armrests? How is that worse than 9 abreast on an A330 or 10 abreast on the 777? A330s and 777s don't have armrests? Please explain?

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 13):
I think its innovative to solve the problem.

I think so too.

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 8):

The plan indicates +1.86 inches higher for the outer seats.

But it also indicates -1.13 inches lower in the middle section - what is that about?

I'm also wondering why the middle 5 seats will be lowered.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:53 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 20):
Quoting theredbaron (Reply 13):I think its innovative to solve the problem.
I think so too.

Let's see how many airlines agree with you.
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:34 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 18):
It helps in that respect, but you'll also end up with less floor area for your feet to go in.

Yep, sit for 12 hours with your leg twisted toward the center and see how comfortable you are. Your knee will hurt first, then your ankle. You will end up rotating in your seat to get your legs straighter, which will start to hurt your back. It's not a great experience.

People complain about the AVOD box eating up foot room. This is worse...
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:37 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 14):
While the top of the window seat cushion may now match the other seats, window seat foot space will still be more restricted at floor level due to the curving sidewalls.

Not just this, but it would also create a less than ideal angle for looking out the window. Raise the window seat by just under two inches and every window seat becomes a a vertical version of the CRJ 700 situation.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:43 pm

Will there be the sensation of needing to bend down to look out the windows, ala CRJ?
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:46 pm

no one seems to be thrilled with the economics of the a380. Other than the ME3, I can see this catching on with a few airlines. Though no one else is buying more other than Emirates
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 19):
Southwest airlines lowered the seats recently (called Evolve) to increase overhead bin space (I think). And they got tons of negative reviews for that.

It was a striking change, as the old seats were very cushy. But, I think most passengers have grown accustomed to it. Honestly, I like the new seats better now, but I hated them at the beginning of the transition.
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:23 pm

This strikes me as a bizarre -almost laughable- solution which will ultimately be unpopular with airlines and passengers. Airbus should bite the bullet and slightly reduce the width of all Y seats and aisles so as to accommodate 11 across. Clinging to some arbitrary, self-imposed 18" standard at the expense of common sense and comfort (at least for the window passengers) makes them look like ridiculous ideologues. -ir
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:44 pm

This was predicted. The shiny lounges and bar will be gone from the A380 in due time. Airlines will learn to use every little nook and cranny for maximum revenue.

The problem here is how many long haul routes have a need for a 750 seat A/C per day. This is where likes of B787 and A350 win out.

[Edited 2015-08-06 10:49:49]
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:46 pm

I do not know, if it allows you to rest your head easily on the interior wall, then it might be ok. Currently this is very hard on the A380. Not a configuration for a 8+ hours flight, but the EK flies many shorter routes with the whale.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:50 pm

I find this higher window seat stupid
Stupid as an idea
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:34 pm

Anything to do sell an A380. Maybe Airbus would like to try it on the orphan A380s that Skymark weaseled out of.
It is NOT a whale it is a Cattle Car. I think Airbus should invest their time and money into this aircraft in more productive ways. They must be getting desperate to keep selling this to anyone other than Emirates.   
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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:38 pm

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 13):

I think its innovative to solve the problem.

Depends on the problem, the A380 is already at a config premium and making money for its operators, is this supposed to attract new buyers?

Quoting ScottB (Reply 18):
This would seem to require some fairly unusual custom seating units with one seat taller than the others in each group of three.

.....which would make a good business case, all the seat OEM's who sign one will be locked in as it will not be easy to just change to a different type seat. In time Airbus will implement efficiencies which will see the rails adjusted for ease of installation and cost savings, the the seat OEM's will to Boeing a/c to implement some of the changes to get the required volumes.
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:05 pm

Quoting Anrigu (Reply 17):
I'm not quite getting why raising that seat will provide more comfort. It is simply a matter of the small increase in the knee to floor dimension?

No - the curvature of the sidewall means that the window seat base can be wider if it is slightly higher.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:04 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 21):
Let's see how many airlines agree with you.

I hope NONE!! hahaha!, seriously , but I get the marketing pitch of airbus, in fact I believe that Airbus must be quite ashamed that they did not plan the A380 as a 11 abreast and designed the floor and windows etc RIGHT from the beginning. (mostly because quite a few operators of the T7 already used 10 abreast)

Quoting IslandRob (Reply 27):
This strikes me as a bizarre -almost laughable- solution which will ultimately be unpopular with airlines and passengers. Airbus should bite the bullet and slightly reduce the width of all Y seats and aisles so as to accommodate 11 across. Clinging to some arbitrary, self-imposed 18" standard at the expense of common sense and comfort (at least for the window passengers) makes them look like ridiculous ideologues. -ir

While I agree with your post I don't forget that Joe average is willing to travel like a mummy just to get a super cheap fare, heck see the lavs!!!, I am 170 cms high and weight 176 lbs, and the laws are so small that even I have trouble moving in them, I think a "large" person has to enter the lav going backwards to use eventually.... the reality is air travel is cheap and cheapness wins. common sense and comfort be damned.

Quoting par13del (Reply 32):
Depends on the problem, the A380 is already at a config premium and making money for its operators, is this supposed to attract new buyers?

Airbus thinks that offering 30 more Y seats will make a world of difference .... I do not agree, using the big plane to have 30 C class seats and then using the rest for 520 Y+ seats its the way to sell the A380. offer a better hard product and price it to be competitive and people will eventually see that paying 150 extra for good comfort better service and space is WORTH IT.

Then again reality has proven me wrong and joe average is willing to fly in the cargo hold just to get a cheap fare

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Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:10 pm

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 34):
I get the marketing pitch of airbus, in fact I believe that Airbus must be quite ashamed that they did not plan the A380 as a 11 abreast and designed the floor and windows etc RIGHT from the beginning.

Well they could do it now with seat cushion widths of less than 18 inches, but they've invested a fair bit of marketing on that figure and equating it to being the minimum for a comfortable flying experience.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:37 pm

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 34):
Then again reality has proven me wrong and joe average is willing to fly in the cargo hold just to get a cheap fare

....and here you were thinking FR was joking with standing room only  
Quoting Stitch (Reply 35):
but they've invested a fair bit of marketing on that figure and equating it to being the minimum for a comfortable flying experience.

...so pride goeth before a fall. We say the same thing with WN bag fees, in that case I hope not, in the case of the A380, if it will sell additional a/c why not. I still do not understand why none of the current operators went for more seats even if on a sub-fleet, that still puzzles me, methinks Airbus has something to do with that.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:47 pm

This solution surprised me. Why not just make the window seat a 17" seat? Slightly narrower, but you get the window and all of that leaning space and shoulder room.

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Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:48 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 36):
I still do not understand why none of the current operators went for more seats even if on a sub-fleet, that still puzzles me, methinks Airbus has something to do with that.

I can think of a few reasons:

1) payload-range issues (unable to fly the mission with 600+ seats)
2) lack of revenue cargo space (all hold positions filled with bags)
3) bilateral traffic rights (inability to operate daily services due to hitting the weekly quotas)
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:23 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 35):
Well they could do it now with seat cushion widths of less than 18 inches, but they've invested a fair bit of marketing on that figure and equating it to being the minimum for a comfortable flying experience.

The same smug, ill-considered and short-sighted marketing mindset that brought us the "4 engines for long haul" slogan. I suspect Airbus will again have to eat their words and begin championing sub 18" seat widths. -ir
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:53 pm

I fail to see a problem with this. Benches of 3 and 5 have been in use for decades, so this would be nothing even remotely new. What's the problem?

The only thing I see about this that makes it unlikely is that current carriers aren't getting anywhere near close to cramming as many seats as they could onto an A380 with 3-4-3 seating. So... why would they need more?
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:03 pm

Quoting spacecookie (Reply 30):
And stupid as an passenger traveling with your couple

I'm tall waisted with average legs. When I sit down, I tower over other people, even friends the same height as me standing. So putting my wife up 2 inches would make us more even. I just don't like the twisted legroom.

Quoting danj555 (Reply 25):
no one seems to be thrilled with the economics of the a380. Other than the ME3, I can see this catching on with a few airlines. Though no one else is buying more other than Emirates

I see it with standard 17" seats all at an even level with those carriers though, and not this attempt to keep luxury width. The entire lower deck 11 abreast, with the upper deck housing J and Y+. Y+ will seem luxurious upstairs with 18.5"-19" seats at 2-4-2 compared to 17-17.5" seats at 3-5-3 downstairs.

BA has 17.5" seats anyway on all their planes, even if they could take wider seats. Contrast to SQ that has 19" seats on the 777 and A380, and narrower on other aircraft.
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 41):
So putting my wife up 2 inches would make us more even. I just don't like the twisted legroom.

That's why you put your wife in the window seat. For the advantage of being more level with you, she gets the twisted legs.
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:16 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 35):
Well they could do it now with seat cushion widths of less than 18 inches, but they've invested a fair bit of marketing on that figure and equating it to being the minimum for a comfortable flying experience.

Yep, Airbus will either eat their words or keep the 18 inch mumbo jumbo, but sometimes you get very uncomfortable seats with a good sized back, and in case of DL 739's the new slimmest are very confortable and they look tiny ... so I guess appearances can be deceiving...

In any case I think they will sell the "idea" if there are any takers is another matter.

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Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:24 am

If the old Isles were 20" new ones 16.98" that means 6.04" coming from narrower isles & 3.25" coming from thinner armrest 2" vs 1.75". So that means each raised side space offers 5.23" of space for 10.46". Otherwise the seats would have to be narrower which they don't want.
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:46 am

Quoting 747-600X (Reply 40):
The only thing I see about this that makes it unlikely is that current carriers aren't getting anywhere near close to cramming as many seats as they could onto an A380 with 3-4-3 seating. So... why would they need more?

I've been wondering if I missed something .... no airline is currently is currently using the A380 close to design capacity, so what is the need for more seats? I guess to cram more in coach without taking any room from the premium cabins?

Are the A380 users carrying 100% load factors on a regular basis?
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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:43 am

This works! This will definitely sell A380s.

Many of the naysayers are missing an important detail clearly shown if one zooms in on the outside seat. It is not in line with the seat next to it. It is partially staggered so that the outside seat has a higher armrest than the neighboring middle seat. Why yes, I have been trained to read competitors patent application drawings... Why do you ask?  

Since normal airline seats are too low for optimal comfort, for me... Wonderful! I'm barely taller than the average US male. I see 18% of the coach seats selling.

I read the comments on the sidewalk, but my first opinion is other planes are worse.

The downside of this concept is evacuation. If I assume 28" pitch through a pinch point is the minimum, it means there will be some reduction in seat count as these 11-across A380s will have to have more pitch than the 10-across competition due to the staggering. 31" or 32" is starting to become too standard for international pitch.   I believe 32" will be the minimum pitch for this configuration (best "back of the envelope" guess) once we include stagger impact on evacuation. For example, v4 LH 748i has a 31" pitch in economy per seatguru. Thus an A380 operator wouldn't gain 10% more seats. It would be more like 5% to 6% by going to 11-across (includes lavs and other considerations) and thus we would see about half the CASM reduction Airbus originally advertised. But... there would be that additional pitch to sell.   

I see it as an improvement over 10-across A380s. Now the question is will the NEO and other improvements be enough to restart the market with the 779 as the competitor as well as the A35J?   

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 5):
It seems also a more efficient solution than raising the floor for all seats. This small change to the outer seats weighs much less, and still has all the benefits of 18" seats. Which will raise the CASM-attractiveness of the A380 of course. Whether or not many potential or existing customers will adapt this option remains to be seen of course, but the idea is quite good imho.

I see this selling. As you note the cost to implement is much less than other 11 across proposals. The trick is to get the product launched at enough customers to interest leasing companies in taking the risk.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 34):
I believe that Airbus must be quite ashamed that they did not plan the A380 as a 11 abreast and designed the floor and windows etc RIGHT from the beginning. (mostly because quite a few operators of the T7 already used 10 abreast)

Agreed.


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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:47 am

Now all the haters of the 9 abreast 787 and 10 abreast 777, who spend so much time saying how they'll never fly on those types ever, will have another aircraft configuration to bag out  
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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:50 am

god, our friends from the other side of the atlantic are having a bashing fest again   Any chance to start one, aye?

I like that idea, it is innovative, it makes use of the curved shape and I think some airlines will like it.
 
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RE: A380 11-abreast Details Emerge

Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:59 am

it probably has been discussed before, but first off: why not modify the 388 "walls"... i remember them to be about at least 40cm. i flew on a 753 a few days ago, and those "walls" were about 1/4 of those of the 388.

why is it that they don't change them???
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