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OneJet Expansion Plans

Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:05 pm

OneJet has outlined expansion plans through 2016 after having completed their “successful pilot program” and carrying more than 1000 passengers since launch in April.

The link to the main story is fighting me -- I'll try posting it in the first reply to this post.


--Approximately one additional jet per month through 2016
--New destination(s) to be announced from the Indianapolis focus city August 12th
--Next focus city to be announced on or about September 15th
--Approximately 12 additional destinations/focus cities through 2016

Memphis wonders if they could be the next OneJet focus city

http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/n...rnational-be-onejets-next-hub.html

OneJet CEO Matthew Maguire says “Milwaukee is very much on the short list” of candidates for the second focus city.

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...t-list-to-become-second-focus.html

So far OneJet flies a single round trip Monday-Thursday in these markets using two aircraft:

IND-MKE launched 4/6
MKE-PIT launched 5/4
PIT-IND launched 5/11
IND-MEM launched 6/22

It’s not clear exactly how many seats they are offering for sale per flight – it looks like perhaps five based on how many people have been onboard a few flights which have been sold out.
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:08 pm

Here's the link to the original story which keeps disappearing:

htt p://www.marketwatch.com/story/onejet-announces-expansion-plans-throughout-2016-2015-08-06
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:08 am

Great to hear! Predicting IND-CLE

From the flights I have been checking I believe they are selling 5 seats, on Expedia it always says 5 left
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:00 am

Too bad they just use those tiny planes. Would be nice to see them with some even slightly bigger planes.
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:41 am

Thanks for this news. I was afraid they had hit a snag when nothing came out from them in July.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 3):
Too bad they just use those tiny planes.

A used 400 sells for under a million; I don't think their present risk tolerance (business model) can handle a more costly airframe.
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:48 pm

One would hope they would eventually find a way into 10 to 14 seaters. I always loved the Beluga whale look alike 1900d. It's just a turboprop though.
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:32 pm

Didn't Pentastar have Saabs as Corporate Shuttles?

I think the draw is the private jet experience. If they could make a larger aircraft work, I think they would.
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:05 pm

I wonder what their plan is for the 12 destinations. There are lots of unconnected dots in the Midwest they could hit. Using my neck of the woods as an example, CMH has no service (at this point) to any of the current OneJet cities.

If they're looking at sticking in the Midwest at first, STL, CMH, CLE, CVG, BNA, DTW/DET, somewhere in the Chicago area (unless they consider that served by MKE) all stick out. Don't know if they could make DAY work.

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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:18 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 7):
somewhere in the Chicago area (unless they consider that served by MKE) all stick out. Don't know if they could make DAY work.

IMO, the only place in the Chicago area that might work is DPA. UA, WN and AA will have these guys beaten in frequency and capacity, so they would need some sort of geographic edge (and, as you say, one that does not duplicate MKE). I don't know if it would work and whether it would be a higher priority than some others on your list, but I see it as their only opening in Chicago.
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:30 pm

ORD, MDW, and DTW, which have nonstops to almost every possible domestic point in Beechjet range, aren't likely. OneJet said that are aiming at routes which have no non-stop competition, which makes ex-hubs like MKE, CVG, PIT, CLE, CMH, MEM, and STL prime targets.

It will be fun to watch. As an example, there has been a marked increase in corporate jet flights in CLE (including BKL, CGF, and CAK) since UA pulled the plug. Those flights are OneJet's competition.
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:40 pm

Thanks for the update. I was wondering how they were getting along, glad to see they are doing well.

I echo the above comments that IND-CLE would probably be the next, most logical addition. It seems right now they are keeping flights roughly an hour or so between the points. Perhaps we'll see an eventual creep up to slightly longer stages in the air.

A fun little airline to watch. Keep us posted.
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:52 am

I wonder how far east they're wanting to push and how quickly. I'm sure the case could be made for other cities with various industries, but I remember reading CMH-BDL during the DL/RP focus city days existed because it acted as a shuttle for insurance industry employees. Nationwide also used to charter one of the generically painted ERJ-135s from RP for flights to DSM.

If DL was able to make it work on 50 seaters for years, OneJet should have a piece of cake filling five seats to BDL from CMH. DSM's a little longer than an hour but, again, could be an opportunity.

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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:09 am

OneJet has mentioned a couple of times targeting Fortune 500 companies for corporate travel contracts, and I would guess the next focus cities will be those where they've successfully established contracts. So I found the latest Fortune list (I used the Fortune 1000 actually) and determined how many headquarters were in the (apparent) service areas of the airports.

Below is a list of Fortune 500 companies, 501-1000-ranked Fortune companies, and then a crude ranking (Fortune 500 = 2pts, Fortune 1000 = 1 pt).

I pulled pretty much everything east of the Rockies which isn't hub or big leisure airport which either has at least a few Fortune 1000 headquarters or one might think they do. I included a few airports which are already well-served for comparison, though there could be some markets below the radar for OneJet. Often in discussions of Delta at Cincinnati the number of Fortune 500 companies in the area is cited, and sure enough Cincinnati ranks rather high in the list.

… 0-500 .. 501-1000 .. pts
…….. 8 …… 11 …… 27 …….. St Louis (major WN service)
…… 10 ..…… 4 …… 24 …….. Cincinnati (major DL service)
…….. 6 …….. 9 …… 21 …….. Pittsburgh
…….. 6 …….. 9 …… 21 …….. Milwaukee
…….. 4 …… 11 …… 19 …….. Columbus
…….. 4 …… 10 …… 18 …….. Cleveland
…….. 7 …….. 2 …… 16 …….. Hartford
…….. 6 …….. 4 …… 16 …….. Richmond
…….. 5 …….. 5 …… 15 …….. Omaha
…….. 5 …….. 4 …… 14 …….. Nashville (major WN service)
…….. 4 …….. 5 …… 13 …….. Indianapolis
…….. 3 …….. 7 …… 13 …….. Kasnsa City (major WN service)
…….. 5 …….. 2 …… 12 …….. Greensboro
…….. 5 …….. 2 …… 12 …….. San Antonio
…….. 4 …….. 3 …… 11 …….. Toledo
…….. 3 …….. 5 …… 11 …….. Tulsa
…….. 3 …….. 4 …… 10 …….. Akron/Canton
…….. 2 …….. 5 …….. 9 …….. Oklahoma City
…….. 3 …….. 2 …….. 8 …….. Memphis
…….. 3 …….. 1 …….. 7 …….. Louisville
…….. 3 …….. 1 …….. 7 …….. Jacksonville
…….. 3 …….. 0 …….. 6 …….. Norfoik
…….. 1 …….. 4 …….. 6 …….. Birmingham
…….. 2 …….. 1 …….. 5 …….. Des Moines
…….. 2 …….. 1 …….. 5 …….. Raleigh/Durham
…….. 2 …….. 1 …….. 5 …….. Grand Rapids
…….. 1 …….. 3 …….. 5 …….. Madison
…….. 2 …….. 0 …….. 4 …….. Little Rock
…….. 2 …….. 0 …….. 4 …….. Kalamazoo
…….. 0 …….. 4 …….. 4 …….. Buffalo
…….. 1 …….. 1 …….. 3 …….. New Orleans
…….. 0 …….. 3 …….. 3 …….. Rochester
…….. 1 …….. 0 …….. 2 …….. Wchita
…….. 1 …….. 0 …….. 2 …….. Austin
…….. 0 …….. 1 …….. 1 …….. Dayton
…….. 0 …….. 1 …….. 1 …….. Albany

Of course private companies are not included in the Fortune 500, and the location of corporate headquarters isn't a perfect indicator of air travel demand. But given that they seem to be targeting Fortune 500 companies this gives an idea of what cities have the most.
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:38 am

CLE and CMH sound like pretty solid guesses. Would be interesting if they tried BKL in Cleveland in place of CLE, as it's downtown and much more convenient to the big business/pro sports locations. BKL may not be ideal in terms of services/infrastructure, however.
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:25 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
IMO, the only place in the Chicago area that might work is DPA.

I know of an airport which might have been perfect had a somewhat crooked mayor not had his way...
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:31 pm

For right now I could see OneJet avoiding secondary airports. Their booking is done through search engines like Expedia, etc. When folks log on there and type in an airport - they'll automatically go to the major airport and OneJet would miss the booking.
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
Below is a list of Fortune 500 companies, 501-1000-ranked Fortune companies, and then a crude ranking (Fortune 500 = 2pts, Fortune 1000 = 1 pt).

The link below is the source from which I compiled the information and it was a manual tally with a few judgment calls, such as where in Connecticut to draw the line between NYC and BDL in airport use.

http://fortune.com/fortune500/

I hope this doesn't turn into a quibble-fest where the honor of one's community rests entirely on how well it is defended here. So if anyone finds the numbers out of line please take a look at the source before objecting.

Anyway, it's interesting how there are definitely several instances where some cities seem to have more service than their populations might indicate (seemingly) based on heavy corporate headquarters. Cincinnati and Omaha come to mind. On the flip side it's surprising how greater GSO has a lot more HQ than greater RDU but GSO has far less airline service (and airline demand).

Again, Fortune 500 (or 1000) headquarters are not a tight measure of airline demand, but usually they indicate significant business activity. And since OneJet has mentioned seeking contracts with big companies, knowing specifically where they are based gives us some ideas.
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:44 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 16):
For right now I could see OneJet avoiding secondary airports. Their booking is done through search engines like Expedia, etc. When folks log on there and type in an airport - they'll automatically go to the major airport and OneJet would miss the booking.

I definitely agree. Their focus is to be a regular airline (only better) in most every way possible....regular terminal, TSA pre-check, available in online booking engines, etc. Trying to establish service at a non-commercial secondary airport would be a significant shift. Even if they talk to Company X an they say "you sound great for us, but instead of flying from CLE to Indy it would be more convenient if you flew from BKL" I doubt they'd do it unless Company X essentially guaranteed they'd buy most of the capacity.
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:02 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 17):
On the flip side it's surprising how greater GSO has a lot more HQ than greater RDU but GSO has far less airline service (and airline demand).

I think (but can't prove) that education and research (RDU's specialties) generate more air traffic per employee than corp. hqs. do.

Your F1000 list is accurate enough to show where OneJet is likely interested in flying; ignore any quibbles.  
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:12 am

That list tickles me, you left off Northwest Arkansas, we got 3 Fortune 500s. Big ones.

Walmart, big ol' retailer that demands suppliers have local offices.

Tyson, well that's the biggest protein company based in the US

JB Hunt, the innovator intermodal shipping and one of the largest logistic outfits in America.

Lot's of those F500 companies have good sized offices here in NWA, ones like P&G, PepsiCo and so on.

That's why it's so damn expensive to fly out of here sans Allegiant.
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:33 am

Great research above but I'd like mention that Providence is also not listed. 3 Fortune 500 (1 top 10) and 4 more 501-1000 plus several more in MA that are a hours drive or less from the airport.

Per their website, they plan to fly from regional airports and commercial terminals.

[Edited 2015-08-09 04:37:24]
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting WaywardMemphian (Reply 19):
That list tickles me, you left off Northwest Arkansas, we got 3 Fortune 500s. Big ones.
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 20):
Great research above but I'd like mention that Providence is also not listed. 3 Fortune 500 (1 top 10) and 4 more 501-1000 plus several more in MA that are a hours drive or less from the airport.

Yup, I should have included both of those. I didn't start out intending for the list to be as comprehensive as it was, but as I was going through various states it kept growing as I kept running into more cities I found interesting for more (or fewer) headquarters than I would have thought. Throwing in something like Kalamazoo was definitely a "who would have thought" kind of entry. But as I went back and tried to fill the gaps I should have included XNA and PVD.

Here's the updated list:

… 0-500 .. 501-1000 .. pts
…….. 8 …… 11 …… 27 …….. St Louis (major WN service)
…… 10 ..…… 4 …… 24 …….. Cincinnati (major DL service)
…….. 6 …….. 9 …… 21 …….. Pittsburgh
…….. 6 …….. 9 …… 21 …….. Milwaukee
…….. 4 …… 11 …… 19 …….. Columbus
…….. 4 …… 10 …… 18 …….. Cleveland
…….. 7 …….. 2 …… 16 …….. Hartford
…….. 6 …….. 4 …… 16 …….. Richmond
…….. 5 …….. 5 …… 15 …….. Omaha
…….. 5 …….. 4 …… 14 …….. Nashville (major WN service)
…….. 4 …….. 5 …… 13 …….. Indianapolis
…….. 3 …….. 7 …… 13 …….. Kansas City (major WN service)
…….. 5 …….. 2 …… 12 …….. Greensboro
…….. 5 …….. 2 …… 12 …….. San Antonio
…….. 4 …….. 3 …… 11 …….. Providence
…….. 4 …….. 3 …… 11 …….. Toledo
…….. 3 …….. 5 …… 11 …….. Tulsa
…….. 3 …….. 4 …… 10 …….. Akron/Canton
…….. 2 …….. 5 …….. 9 …….. Oklahoma City
…….. 3 …….. 2 …….. 8 …….. Memphis
…….. 3 …….. 1 …….. 7 …….. Louisville
…….. 3 …….. 1 …….. 7 …….. Jacksonville
…….. 3 …….. 0 …….. 6 …….. Fayetteville AR
…….. 3 …….. 0 …….. 6 …….. Norfolk
…….. 1 …….. 4 …….. 6 …….. Birmingham
…….. 2 …….. 1 …….. 5 …….. Des Moines
…….. 2 …….. 1 …….. 5 …….. Raleigh/Durham
…….. 2 …….. 1 …….. 5 …….. Grand Rapids
…….. 1 …….. 3 …….. 5 …….. Madison
…….. 2 …….. 0 …….. 4 …….. Little Rock
…….. 2 …….. 0 …….. 4 …….. Kalamazoo
…….. 0 …….. 4 …….. 4 …….. Buffalo
…….. 1 …….. 1 …….. 3 …….. New Orleans
…….. 0 …….. 3 …….. 3 …….. Rochester
…….. 1 …….. 0 …….. 2 …….. Wichita
…….. 1 …….. 0 …….. 2 …….. Austin
…….. 0 …….. 1 …….. 1 …….. Dayton
…….. 0 …….. 1 …….. 1 …….. Albany
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:17 am

Anything starting to surface about tomorrow's news? It seems like nothing's a secret on the internet anymore.
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Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:25 pm

Didn't see any announcement today on their website or even on local media (based in IND)
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:48 am

The local business journals in both MKE and MEM have confidently predicted that they will be focus cities.
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:58 am

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 23):
Didn't see any announcement today on their website or even on local media (based in IND)
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 24):
The local business journals in both MKE and MEM have confidently predicted that they will be focus cities.

The next focus city actually isn't slated to be announced until mid September -- the announcement for August 12th was to be Indianapolis expansion. And to be clear the MEM business journal only speculated and MKE business journals quoted the OneJet leader saying Milwaukee was on the short list.

On the flip side OneJet struggles to get much mention in Indianapolis media at all. When OneJet indicated their 2015 growth plans which specifically reinforced upcoming Indy growth, I only found one tidbit in any Indy media and I can't seem to even find it this morning. Even the airport didn't have so much as a peep about OneJet on their website or twitter feed until well after OneJet started service. I get the impression that some media and airport decision makers don't think much of OneJet because they fly small planes, not the big ones Indy deserves. But that's just my own speculation. Considering that OneJet was essentially birthed at Indy (though the company isn't based there -- it's Massachusetts) that's the only explanation I can come up with for the lack of love.

Anyway, poor form of OneJet to commit to announcing something August 12th and then crickets. Don't commit to a specified date unless you can be damn sure you hit it...business 101, project management 101, mass communications 101, etc. Ultimately it will be long forgotten if it's just a blip, and not too many eyes (including none in the Indy media, seemingly) are paying attention. Hopefully news is coming soon.
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:34 pm

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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:44 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 26):
"Nashville"

Interesting choice. IND-BNA is a similar drive to IND-MKE (a few more miles, but the city in the middle is much smaller and less congested). I expect that they will target IND-based travelers initially, as I don't see enough low-hanging fruit in Nashville for a focus city here.
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:53 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 25):

Good points but I still hope they have some success.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 26):
"Nashville"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...rd-to-fly-like-a-ceo-to-pittsburgh

Not much of an announcement... "with plans to announce Nashville as its newest destination today."

And I don't think that BNA is a good market for this kind of service from IND. PDEW is so low at less than 7 for all quarters from 2014. Factor in that the drive to Nashville isn't bad at all and a little shorter than there other routes.

They should have just done IND-CLE, proven market that even DL entered recently for the O&D.
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:00 pm

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 28):
Factor in that the drive to Nashville isn't bad at all and a little shorter than there other routes.

It's really no shorter than MKE though, as I said, the traffic isn't as bad. The low passenger count is almost certainly a function of lack of nonstop service. Connecting to go BNA-IND makes zero sense.

[Edited 2015-08-13 06:00:39]
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:06 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 29):
It's really no shorter than MKE though, as I said, the traffic isn't as bad. The low passenger count is almost certainly a function of lack of nonstop service. Connecting to go BNA-IND makes zero sense.

I think it is also a factor of how easy it is to drive there. I wouldn't pay to fly connecting service to BNA but MKE I would. Personally I have done the drive up to MKE countless times and have been stuck in terrible traffic / weather making it take significantly longer.

I know WN used to serve IND-BNA a while ago so I would like to see those numbers.
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:56 pm

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 28):

Good points but I still hope they have some success.

Yup, I definitely want them to succeed, both for selfish reasons (as a Milwaukee guy who used to fly to a lot of the destinations OneJet might serve from here) and as an airline geek who has always found upstarts and regionals a lot more interesting than the big boys.

Nashville is an interesting choice, about a 4.5 hour drive. Certainly Louisville traffic presents nowhere near the driving barrier that Chicago traffic does on IND-MKE, but it’s still an awfully grueling day trip. Where IND-BNA might suffer in comparison is the multi-day trip, as IND-BNA probably doesn’t often turn into the miserable 6-hour drive that IND-MKE can. Still, it’s not a lot of seats to fill so the huge majority of business travelers can still drive and OneJet do well.

I doubt they’ll add the aircraft necessary to fly IND-BNA for a single round trip – that is what they did initially in their testing phase, but within about a month of adding and aircraft to start XXX-YYY / YYY-XXX they turned that into XXX-YYY-ZZZ / ZZZ-YYY-XXX. So if they fly IND-BNA and BNA-IND what else will they do with that plane?

--They could fly back to Indy, marking the first time they served a route from “both ends”
700 ind
700 bna
720 bna
920 ind
1710 ind
1710 bna
1730 bna
1930 ind

--They could fly to Milwaukee, a market with no nonstop service
700 ind
700 bna
720 bna
850 mke
1540 mke
1710 bna
1730 bna
1930 ind

--They could fly to Pittsburgh, a market Southwest serves 1x/day, but (currently) with a flight at the opposite ends of the day. So the OneJet flight could fill that gap as long as Southwest doesn’t expand or adjust flight times.
700 ind
700 bna
720 bna
950 pit
1640 pit
1710 bna
1730 bna
1930 ind

--They could fly to Memphis, though BNA-MEM is only about a 3 hour drive which might be too short to get people to pay profitable fares.
700 ind
700 bna
720 bna
810 mem
1620 mem
1710 bna
1730 bna
1930 ind

My guess is MKE or PIT. I don’t suspect Nashville will be an early focus city because Southwest serves too many of the best-potential BNA markets. But we shall see…
 
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RE: OneJet Expansion Plans

Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:11 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 31):
--They could fly to Pittsburgh, a market Southwest serves 1x/day, but (currently) with a flight at the opposite ends of the day. So the OneJet flight could fill that gap as long as Southwest doesn’t expand or adjust flight times.

The problem with this strategy is that in a lot of low-frequency markets, WN makes an effort to fly at some convenient time, but the exact time may not be the same in all schedules. So without trying to affect OneJet, WN might schedule on top of them in one schedule, and opposite them in the next.

This is merely a function of the way that WN's network works, and while the effect is more pronounced in low-frequency markets, it sometimes causes anomalies in other markets. For instance, for much of last year, 2 of the 4 MCI-BNA flights were only about 90 minutes apart.
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:12 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 31):

I definitly agree that following startups are more fun than the big guys even if they have terrible business plans (recent PeoplExpress). I think OneJet does have relatively good business plan and find it very interesting as I have frequented many of these Midwest markets, albeit driving.

Out of all the markets OneJet serves BNA-MKE could be very successful and would get their utilization up. WN currently serves CLE and PIT from BNA so I don't think they would enter those. MEM is too close. Knope2001 I think that schedule you outlined would be great
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 25):
Anyway, poor form of OneJet to commit to announcing something August 12th and then crickets.

The minimum cost for a "PR Newswire" press release is $800 and if you add color and pix it escalates rapidly. I'd guess that OneJet just doesn't want to spend the money.

Their "news" has always been filtered through free local press reports, hasn't it? Plus their marketing has been aimed at specific corporations, not a general readership. So maybe we wont see traditional press releases from them until they're a much bigger operation.
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:16 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 34):
The minimum cost for a "PR Newswire" press release is $800 and if you add color and pix it escalates rapidly. I'd guess that OneJet just doesn't want to spend the money.

Their "news" has always been filtered through free local press reports, hasn't it? Plus their marketing has been aimed at specific corporations, not a general readership. So maybe we wont see traditional press releases from them until they're a much bigger operation.

I think they have been first through a national source. The August 6th announcement was through PR Newswire:

Htt p://markets.financialcontent.com/stocks/news/read?GUID=30449072

(links frequently don’t post well as of late, so remove the space. I’ll post the links at the very end so if they screw up the posting it won’t wreck the message itself.)

In either case my quibble is that just last week they stated a fixed date for announcement and there wasn’t word anywhere – not only in a national venue but not on their website, not in any local media, etc.

Happily….now there is, again referencing PR Newswire as the source

Htt p://markets.financialcontent.com/stocks/news/read?GUID=30449072

They have a posting on the website, too

Htt p://onejet.com/press-archive/onejet-announces-new-service-to-nashville

The new schedule is indicated on their website PR item:

OneJet flights will depart Indianapolis at 8:00am and arrive in Nashville at 8:15am. Flights from Nashville will depart at 4:15pm, arriving in Indianapolis at 6:40pm. All times local.

That schedule doesn’t leave a lot of time in Nashville for the aircraft to do business-friendly flying. Perhaps they would instead add a trip to the front and back at Indy, such as CLE-IND-BNA / BNA-IND-CLE. However that flight would leave CLE around 6:35am and not get back to Cleveland until about 8:20pm…not impossible but a definite stretch of their normal flying day. However it’s worth noting that when they added flying to the first two aircraft the initial schedule was adjusted. When they tacked MKE-PIT onto IND-MKE (for example) they made IND-MKE run earlier. And when they added IND-MEM they reversed the polarity of IND-PIT to be PIT-IND-MEM. So this initial schedule will (apparently) be all the plane does at first, but I would guess the schedule will be adjusted when it does a second leg.


As for estimate of historic O+D IND-BNA traffic that’s a tough one. I don’t think Southwest actually served that one, and the US* flights that most recently served it with J31 and sometimes SF3 are long enough ago that those regionals might well not have shown up in the quarterly DoT stats. IND-BNA hasn’t really been served in the post-9/11 age (not positive if it ended before or after 9/11 but if it did it wasn’t long after) and a challenge will be to groom travelers to thinking of IND-BNA as a flying route. The four markets OneJet already serves had at most a no-service gap of a couple years and had been served for decades, but IND-BNA hasn’t been a flying market in many years.

 
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:26 pm

FWIW the links were in the previous post as hyperlinks at the end but they didn't make it.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 32):
The problem with this strategy is that in a lot of low-frequency markets, WN makes an effort to fly at some convenient time, but the exact time may not be the same in all schedules. So without trying to affect OneJet, WN might schedule on top of them in one schedule, and opposite them in the next.

This is merely a function of the way that WN's network works, and while the effect is more pronounced in low-frequency markets, it sometimes causes anomalies in other markets. For instance, for much of last year, 2 of the 4 MCI-BNA flights were only about 90 minutes apart.

Very true. In the grand scheme of things I do doubt Southwest would spend much deliberate effort to clobber OneJet on BNA-PIT by moving their flight (or adding another frequency). But their flight times are rather changeable from schedule to schedule and OneJet could easily find themselves grooming a market only to get killed by a 737 months down the road. Maybe down the road a ways when they’re making good money, have established a solid customer base who seeks them out, and have a big network so that a BNA-PIT route would be only a tiny fraction of their system, perhaps then they may fly between the contrails of a big competitor based on better business flight times. But that doesn’t seem all that wise (or likely) at this point.
 
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:55 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 35):
and a challenge will be to groom travelers to thinking of IND-BNA as a flying route. The four markets OneJet already serves had at most a no-service gap of a couple years and had been served for decades, but IND-BNA hasn’t been a flying market in many years.

FWIW, the BNA press release contains a quote from OneJet's CEO suggesting that businesses want the service: "Nashville has been one of the key destinations demanded by both Indianapolis corporate and community leadership." I have no idea how much of that is fluff and how much is substance.
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:10 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 37):
FWIW, the BNA press release contains a quote from OneJet's CEO suggesting that businesses want the service: "Nashville has been one of the key destinations demanded by both Indianapolis corporate and community leadership." I have no idea how much of that is fluff and how much is substance.

Two big healthcare cities being connected, but I can't pinpoint any direct business connections tho.

Flight is bookable.
OneJet 1013 & 1014 at $620 roundtrip. According to their pricing model the first ticket should be the most expensive, most of their fares sit around $450-$550 range.

Another interesting note is that they are missing 1007, 1008, 1011, and 1012 from the sequence. 11xx are Milwaulkee oriented flights, and 12xx are Pittsburgh oriented flights.
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:30 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 25):
On the flip side OneJet struggles to get much mention in Indianapolis media at all.

If it's not hard crime, I-65, or the weather then good luck making the news in Indy.

Best of luck to OneJet though. I agree with what others are saying, CLE has to be on the short list.
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Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:36 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 37):
FWIW, the BNA press release contains a quote from OneJet's CEO suggesting that businesses want the service: "Nashville has been one of the key destinations demanded by both Indianapolis corporate and community leadership." I have no idea how much of that is fluff and how much is substance.

Interesting -- hopefully it speaks of the demand to fly which is there.

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 38):

Flight is bookable.
OneJet 1013 & 1014 at $620 roundtrip. According to their pricing model the first ticket should be the most expensive, most of their fares sit around $450-$550 range.

Another interesting note is that they are missing 1007, 1008, 1011, and 1012 from the sequence. 11xx are Milwaulkee oriented flights, and 12xx are Pittsburgh oriented flights.

Nice catch on the flight numbers -- over-analysis is a fine sport for those of us so inclined... 
Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 39):
If it's not hard crime, I-65, or the weather then good luck making the news in Indy.

Best of luck to OneJet though. I agree with what others are saying, CLE has to be on the short list.

An unfortunately common issue with local news, though the IND airport doesn't have an excuse in my book. There was no sign of OneJet on their website whatsoever for at least a week or two after it started flying, and their Twitter feed which has boatloads of activity didn't mention OneJet for weeks either. On the day OneJet started flying and MKE had tweets and pictures, IND tweeted about some Christian movie with some scenes filmed at the airport and where you can screen it. Nearly three weeks until they mentioned OneJet.
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:05 pm

SDF has been selected as their second focus city. In addition to SDF-PIT, SDF-RDU/MCI flights will be added.

http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2016/07/25/onejet-announces-two-more-direct-flight.html


PNC Bank, headquartered in Pittsburgh with major offices in SDF and RDU, is a major backer of OneJet. That might help explain their route network.
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Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:30 am

I don't get overly excited about OneJet mainly because their operation is so small. Having said that, I like to follow them to stay up to date on their route network and such. I've been keeping track of it on my own. If you'd like to see it just go here https://drive.google.com/open?id=12vKGf ... sp=sharing. I think it'll be interesting to watch this company as it grows. I'm curious if their long term plans are to become a Part 121 carrier as they already require their customers to pass through security it wouldn't be a very large change I think.
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:37 am

flyPIT wrote:
PNC Bank, headquartered in Pittsburgh with major offices in SDF and RDU, is a major backer of OneJet. That might help explain their route network.


So OneJet might be PNC Airways, eh?

If we can use this to connect the dots (using the list of unserved cities with PNC presences found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNC_Finan ... _buildings), CLE, CMH, PHL, Chicago (MDW, though maybe MKE suffices already?), Washington (DCA?) could all be imminent candidates. Does the BeechJet have the legs to make PIT-MCO?
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