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Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:23 am

An entire flight crew (2 pilots and 2 cabin crew) were arrested at OSL this morning since all four
were above the legal limit for alcohol. They work(ed?) for a non nordic airline.

According to vg.no the flight was a charter flight to Chania, Crete (CHQ)..

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/flyg-hejdat-hela-besattningen-full
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/l...rterfly-paa-gardermoen/a/23502093/

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Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:35 am

The first article now mentions Air Baltic, I supposed that was the airline in question?
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:37 am

According to NRK, it had been leased from Air Baltic, so presumably a wet lease?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:38 am

Thinks it was Moss Rygge with a certain Harp carrier and probably a Baltic state crew !

That flight departed 2 hours late

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Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:51 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3):

Nope, definantly a BT operated flight. It's listed on the OSL website, with a scheduled departure time of 05:45. It's either due to depart now, or it's about to recieve a new departure time (09:45 CEST).

Edit: According to FR24 it's YL-BBL, which arrived from KGS last night: http://www.flightradar24.com/reg/yl-bbl

[Edited 2015-08-08 00:54:51]
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:02 am

Maybe it's time for pilots to blow into a breathalyzer interlock before being allowed to start a plane.
What the...?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:57 am

From the Swedish article:

"Flyget på bilden har inget med händelserna i artikeln att göra"

OK, fine to acknowledge this, but then why even use it, just to have a picture of a plane? 

Perhaps the pilots used to fly for (the Soviet) Aeroflot and wanted to remember the good old days?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:38 am

The lack of professionalism by this crew is appalling and they need to reconsider continuing in their current jobs.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:58 am

Apparently it was the staff at the hotel where they stayed that raported them to the police, who then showed up when they boarded the aircraft
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:06 am

According to the articles, the plane involved was a 737 - and Air Baltic have both 733s and 735s.
I'd love to know how they would be able to operate either with just two cabin crew since even the 735s seat 120.
EASA rules would require a minimum of three flight attendants for 101-150 seats, surely?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:14 am

Quoting andy33 (Reply 10):
EASA rules would require a minimum of three flight attendants for 101-150 seats, surely?

Correct me if im wrong, but it is number of passengers and not seats that sets the requirement for number of CA:s. The passengers also need to be seated in a certain way when it comes to emergency exits etc. 50 pax per CA... And depending on how you seat those passengers and how you put the CA:s with regards to exits you may well operate a 150 seater with just 2 CA:s... You then need to block certain seats. Am I wrong?
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:15 am

Quoting andy33 (Reply 10):
According to the articles, the plane involved was a 737 - and Air Baltic have both 733s and 735s.
I'd love to know how they would be able to operate either with just two cabin crew since even the 735s seat 120.
EASA rules would require a minimum of three flight attendants for 101-150 seats, surely?

There was (is) three cabin crew, but it was "only" two of them that failed the alcohol test
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:17 am

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 7):
Maybe it's time for pilots to blow into a breathalyzer interlock before being allowed to start a plane.


Yep, right after they mandate an IQ test for posting on a.net

Would a breathalyzer incriminate you? Or why this reaction?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:48 am

Quoting Navigator (Reply 10):
Correct me if im wrong, but it is number of passengers and not seats that sets the requirement for number of CA:s. The passengers also need to be seated in a certain way when it comes to emergency exits etc. 50 pax per CA... And depending on how you seat those passengers and how you put the CA:s with regards to exits you may well operate a 150 seater with just 2 CA:s... You then need to block certain seats. Am I wrong?

It is the number of usable seats fitted to the plane that counts under EASA (and FAA) rules, as far as I know. Simply not selling some of the seats and stopping people from sitting in them on the day doesn't qualify.
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:53 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 11):
There was (is) three cabin crew, but it was "only" two of them that failed the alcohol test

That makes complete sense, thanks.
I just wondered because post #1 refers to "a complete flight crew (2 pilots and 2 cabin crew). Usual inaccurate reporting, I suppose.
 
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RE: Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:01 pm

Quoting andy33 (Reply 14):
I just wondered because post #1 refers to "a complete flight
crew (2 pilots and 2 cabin crew). Usual inaccurate reporting, I suppose.

The article I read (svt.se) still says "hela besättningen" (entire crew) but I didn't
think much about that there supposed to have been 3 FAs.

Anyway vg.no now reports that the crew members involved have been suspended.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/f...etningen-er-suspendert/a/23502145/
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:13 pm

Not a good media day for Air Baltic ...

"The flight from Norway to Crete couldn't take off after the captain, first mate and two flight attendants failed alcohol tests "

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-n...ht-refused-permission-take-6216513

"Pilot betrunken, Copilot betrunken, Stewardessen betrunken"

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspieg...ewardessen-betrunken/12163290.html

and it goes on ...

http://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/crimi...ryh-chlenov-ekipazha.d?id=46312359

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,tit...62952,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=1155df

http://www.svd.se/flyg-stoppat--hela-besattningen-berusad/om/sverige


This is just sad. I've had a few flights on Air Baltic and waas very pleased With them. Hopefully this is just a case of bad Apples among many good employes.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:06 pm

All we know is that they had more than 0.00 promille alcohol level. Licking the cork of a wine bottle would do that. They're required to have zero alcohol in their blood, and stop drinking 8 hours before departure. That still doesn't mean they were drunk.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:20 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 17):
All we know is that they had more than 0.00 promille alcohol level. Licking the cork of a wine bottle would do that. They're required to have zero alcohol in their blood, and stop drinking 8 hours before departure. That still doesn't mean they were drunk.

In all seriousness, although licking the cork would increase your BAC (Blood Alcohol Content), I doubt it would be high enough to register on any of the common testing devices.

HOWEVER, your point is well made. Let's get more facts before we convict them. Seems to be the norm here to want to
"Fire" people whenever a mistake is made!
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:48 pm

From VG: "Besetningen ble avhørt lørdag formiddag og blir sittende i arresten i Lillestrøm til over helgen.

– De vil bli fremstilt for varetektsfengsling mandag, sier jourhavende jurist Charlotte Visdal Benneche i Romerike Politidistrikt til VG"

The crew remains in police custody over the weekend in Lillestrøm, pending a preliminary hearing on Monday regarding further custody according to police lawyer on call

How much over the limit were they?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 16):
Hopefully this is just a case of bad Apples

That could be a good defence !

"We ate a case of apples which must have slightly fermented...!"

Case dismissed !!

  
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:00 pm

Quoting Navigator (Reply 10):
Correct me if im wrong, but it is number of passengers and not seats that sets the requirement for number of CA:s. The passengers also need to be seated in a certain way when it comes to emergency exits etc. 50 pax per CA... And depending on how you seat those passengers and how you put the CA:s with regards to exits you may well operate a 150 seater with just 2 CA:s... You then need to block certain seats. Am I wrong?

Years ago we had a flight attendant that underwent emergency appendectomy surgery while on a layover, leaving the cabin crew one short. The 727-100 had 102 seats and since scheduling could not get a replacement before the next flight departed, someone got the bright idea to unbolt one row of three coach seats and place them in the belly bin to meet the minimum crew requirement. Unfortunately, the airline got caught and had to pay a big fine. Just physically removing seats does not change the legal requirements.
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:19 pm

Quoting saleya22r (Reply 19):
How much over the limit were they?

They had a promille over 0,2,
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:25 pm

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles...le-a-short-history-of-drunk-pilots

Twelve hours from bottle to throttle...? The crew in question did not even have time to follow this rule. Their flight was very early in the morning

As a young medical student, I participated in a project in the early 70s where we studied private pilots flying a simple procedure with a simulator (an ancient Link Trainer btw) first sober, then after two bottles of beer. Blood samples were drawn before and after the beers. Mistakes in the flown pattern were calculated. The sample size was small, methodology so-so, but the message was nevertheless clear: significant increase in errors after alcohol. The results were published, too.

One of the participating pilots did not have 0.00% in the first sample either, can't remember if he was excluded or not,, 
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:28 pm

Quoting Navigator (Reply 10):

It is number of Aircraft capacity that sets how many Cabin Attendants are necessary. Not how many passengers.

EXCEPTION: If an aircraft e.g. a B733 lacks a crew member and a/c is away from base, then the flight may proceed given that there are no more than 100 passengers aboard (if 2 attendants) and passengers have to be seated in a certain way.

If a/c is at base, then flight will not proceed until replacement cabin crew are found, even if flight only had 30 passengers.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:04 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 22):
They had a promille over 0,2,

Yes, we know that. My point was that if you are just over the limit say 0,3 -0,4 you can still behave quite normally. What in their behavior or appearance made the hotel clerk alert the police?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:11 pm

Good for the hotel. Imagine their liability. At least in America you are not supposed to serve drunk drivers, and this counts quadruple for people who indent to fly an airliner full of customers.

Wasn't there some type of jackass episode where Johnny Knoxville is staggering around in a pilot's uniform? Not as funny in real life.

[Edited 2015-08-08 09:15:11]
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:59 pm

Quoting OSL777FLYER (Reply 24):
EXCEPTION: If an aircraft e.g. a B733 lacks a crew member and a/c is away from base, then the flight may proceed given that there are no more than 100 passengers aboard (if 2 attendants) and passengers have to be seated in a certain way.

Don't know about other countries, but in Canada, some airlines (don't know 100% that they all can) can use a ground employee to sub in if the aircraft is out of base. As soon as it returns to a crew base they must be replaced, but they can use a gate agent or rampie if the situation warrants.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:57 pm

So my question is...How can anyone afford to get drunk in Oslo?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting OSL777FLYER (Reply 24):
EXCEPTION: If an aircraft e.g. a B733 lacks a crew member and a/c is away from base, then the flight may proceed given that there are no more than 100 passengers aboard (if 2 attendants) and passengers have to be seated in a certain way.

Didn't know that, thanks for this information! But what would be the "certain way"?
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:59 pm

Quoting saleya22r (Reply 25):
Yes, we know that. My point was that if you are just over the limit say 0,3 -0,4 you can still behave quite normally. What in their behavior or appearance made the hotel clerk alert the police?

Not sure how you're measuring it, but in the USA we send people to the hospital when they are more than 0.3. We measure it as grams per 100ml, so if one is 0.3 he is 30 grams/100ml. Anyone .4 or more is in danger of death.

Between 0.3 and 0.4 you will have obvious signs of intoxication!!
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:03 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 7):
The lack of professionalism by this crew is appalling and they need to reconsider continuing in their current jobs.

Goodness, I'm and amateur and cannot imagine doing such a thing!
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:06 pm

Quoting kurtjeter (Reply 29):
Quoting OSL777FLYER (Reply 24):
EXCEPTION: If an aircraft e.g. a B733 lacks a crew member and a/c is away from base, then the flight may proceed given that there are no more than 100 passengers aboard (if 2 attendants) and passengers have to be seated in a certain way.

Didn't know that, thanks for this information! But what would be the "certain way"?

The reason that I wrote about blocking seats etc is that I know that certain airlines operating 747:s on some occasions have reduced the number of CA:s and then blocking seats relating to specific emergency exits. I have also read EASA:s rules but I still wonder under which circumstances these procedures may apply. I assume 747 operators know what they are doing...  
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:09 pm

copter, it is measured in promille/per millle. ‰ The legal alcohol limit is 0. 2 ‰ alcohol blood
concentration which is about 0.10 mg/l (alcohol/litre of exhaled air) .

[Edited 2015-08-08 13:49:28]
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:33 pm

In the USA, most if not all states have gone to 0.08 on the breathalyzer as the limit for drunk driving. In my opinion any reading for an airline crew should put you in the slammer (jail).
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:44 pm

I have been told by authorities that if you rinse your mouth with mouth wash that you can flunk a breathalyzer test. If it is repeated 20 to 30 minutes later and you should pass. I am only noting this as I cannot verify it.   
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:58 pm

I was on a crew where one of my colleagues failed an alcohol test in Europe. The police told us that cough drops, cough syrup, and mouthwash will dissipate in 12 minutes, and as such, three breathalyzer tests were administered, him failing all three.

There really isn't an excuse for failing a breathalyzer test. As crew members we know the rules, and by the time you are old enough to be employed by an airline, you should know your body well enough to know how you metabolize alcohol.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:26 pm

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 35):
I have been told by authorities that if you rinse your mouth with mouth wash that you can flunk a breathalyzer test. If it is repeated 20 to 30 minutes later and you should pass. I am only noting this as I cannot verify it.

That's why here is a 20-minute observation period before the test. This is direct observation, so in all probability the time period between the test and last consumption would be longer.

But you are correct, recent ingestion of mouthwash or other forms of alcohol will give a false reading. Mouth spray may mask the odor if intoxicants for a while, but probably not enough to make any difference. AND, it WOULD slightly increase your BAC level.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:36 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 17):
All we know is that they had more than 0.00 promille alcohol level. Licking the cork of a wine bottle would do that. They're required to have zero alcohol in their blood, and stop drinking 8 hours before departure. That still doesn't mean they were drunk.

Don't forget- if what someone83 says is true, it was bad enough that the hotel staff reported them. I doubt they would have done that for something as trivial as licking a cork.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:56 pm

Quoting nikeherc (Reply 34):
In the USA, most if not all states have gone to 0.08 on the breathalyzer as the limit for drunk driving.

Different scales. The US scale is percent ( % ). In Europe the scale is promille ( 0/00 ).

So 0.08 in the USA corresponds to 0.8 on the European scale. That is also the driving limit in many European countries, while about half of the countries have lowered it to 0.5, and a few countries to less than 0.5.

In the UK: England and Wales, 0.8. Scotland, 0.5.

For flight the limit is 0.2 promille (or 0.02 percent in the USA).

So when Americans mentioned 0.3 and even 0.4 on this thread, then we are 15 to 20 times over the limit.
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:15 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 17):
All we know is that they had more than 0.00 promille alcohol level.

A simple google search immediately presented six Danish, two Norwegian and one British press agencies which all said that they were "over the 0.2 promille limit".

And none which said otherwise.
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:24 pm

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RE: Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting copter808 (Reply 30):
Not sure how you're measuring it
Quoting nikeherc (Reply 34):
In the USA, most if not all states have gone to 0.08 on the breathalyzer as the limit for drunk driving.

Quote from http://dui.drivinglaws.org/drink-table.php (referring to all states in USA):
"Legally, in all states you should not be operating a motor vehicle with a .08 percent blood alcohol concentration (BAC)."

This corresponds to 0.8 ‰ and we have 0.2 ‰ in Sweden (and Norway where the incident occurred). I sure wouldn't like to fly with a pilot having 0.7 ‰...

In Sweden, the breathalyzer test is only indicative and if positive, a blood test will be taken to establish the concentration of alcohol in the blood. If the blood has more than 0.2 ‰ (0.02 %) alcohol, you're drunk in the eyes of the law. This corresponds to about 0,10 mg alcohol per liter air in your breath.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 35):
I have been told by authorities that if you rinse your mouth with mouth wash that you can flunk a breathalyzer test

If you have alcohol in your mouth (mouthwash, candy...) you can flunk it temporarily, but it's impossible to pass just by rinsing your mouth with water if you actually have alcohol in your blood. I've actually seen instructions to LET the person being tested to rinse the mouth with water before taking the breathalyzer, avoiding any incorrect reading due to mouthwash or similar. What you really want to test is the amount of alcohol in the air coming from your lungs. If the blood has an elevated concentration of alcohol, the air you breath out WILL have a corresponding concentration. That's why you are instructed to take a deep breath and blow it all through the breathalyzer when the police stops you for a (hopefully) routine check.

I'd vote for mandatory breathalyzer tests for flight crews any day!

[Edited 2015-08-08 15:40:12]
 
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RE: Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:34 pm

Quoting nikeherc (Reply 34):
In my opinion any reading for an airline crew should put you in the slammer (jail).

You should reconsider. The body can generate natural alcohol levels that can register 0.04 in USA format on the breathalyzer. Thus the clincher is the blood test.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 35):
I have been told by authorities that if you rinse your mouth with mouth wash that you can flunk a breathalyzer test. If it is repeated 20 to 30 minutes later and you should pass. I am only noting this as I cannot verify it.

That´s a myth. The breathalyzer measures the alcohol concentration in the air you are expelling from your lungs. A huge part of the alcohol ingested is excreted through thm. The breathalyzer measures this. It has nothing to do with what you put on your mouth. Wether it be mouthwash or something else. Unless you swallow it of course. You may reek of alcohol in your breath, but if you have not ingested alcohol, you will not get a positive on a breathalyzer.

Of course, some breathalyzers are cheap crap, bought by cheap police departments. Those low quality POS present a problem. So if you know you are not intoxicated, and you got a positive on a breathalyzer, you need to demand a blood test.
 
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RE: Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:11 am

Quoting diverted (Reply 27):

As far as I know in Europe, this is not allowed at all. Anyone working aboard on behalf of an airline has to be certified to do that particular duty.

Quoting kurtjeter (Reply 29):

"Certain way" would be for example that passengers are "bunched" together, e.g. last 6 or 7 rows would be blocked off. In case of emergency, not all exits would be used. due to lack of staffing or other issues.
 
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RE: Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:49 am

Quoting copter808 (Reply 30):
Not sure how you're measuring it, but in the USA we send people to the hospital when they are more than 0.3. We measure it as grams per 100ml, so if one is 0.3 he is 30 grams/100ml. Anyone .4 or more is in danger of death.

Between 0.3 and 0.4 you will have obvious signs of intoxication!!


I did not realize that this would be unclear. Yes, in Europe we are talking about 1/1000, not % as Prebbenholm and FredrikHAD already have explained.
 
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RE: Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:06 am

Just to clearify but a breathalyzer is not valid in a Norwegian court, this why the crew was having blood samples taken. This is standard also when drunk driving in Norway, hence a mouth wash never will be what send you to jail
 
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RE: Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting OSL777FLYER (Reply 44):
"Certain way" would be for example that passengers are "bunched" together, e.g. last 6 or 7 rows would be blocked off. In case of emergency, not all exits would be used. due to lack of staffing or other issues.

The specific airplanes have actually seatmaps available for the captain showing which seats that can not be used in case an emergency exit is not manned by a crew member. This is valid for any widebody aircraft.

Considering weight and balance you can actually fly with less than mandated number of cabin crew I think under certain conditions. Any thoughts?
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RE: Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:35 pm

Quoting Navigator (Reply 47):

As far as I know, and this is what I learned in Aviation Law, which I studied at university, only as long as aircraft is away from a hub or base. Never less than mandated out of the base. And if less than mandated are used (away from base) you have to fly with a reduced capacity. The rule of max 50 pax per attendant is always in force.
 
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RE: Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk".

Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting saleya22r (Reply 45):
I did not realize that this would be unclear. Yes, in Europe we are talking about 1/1000, not % as Prebbenholm and FredrikHAD already have explained.

Ah, ok. Then your numbers make much more sense. Think the FAA limit is .02 (.2 by your standards) as prima facia evidence of intoxication.

Quoting FredrikHAD (Reply 42):
If you have alcohol in your mouth (mouthwash, candy...) you can flunk it temporarily, but it's impossible to pass just by rinsing your mouth with water if you actually have alcohol in your blood. I've actually seen instructions to LET the person being tested to rinse the mouth with water before taking the breathalyzer, avoiding any incorrect reading due to mouthwash or similar. What you really want to test is the amount of alcohol in the air coming from your lungs. If the blood has an elevated concentration of alcohol, the air you breath out WILL have a corresponding concentration. That's why you are instructed to take a deep breath and blow it all through the breathalyzer when the police stops you for a (hopefully) routine check.

Exactly! Although in the USA--Illinois at least--we have the 20 minute observation period where NOTHING, including water, can be ingested . During the period of observation the subject cannot burp or vomit either.

Also amazing how many drunks can't (or Won't") figure how to blow into the tube!

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 46):
hence a mouth wash never will be what send you to jail

Unless one DRINKS it!

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