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OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:35 pm

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4B ABQ-CNM SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.8
4B ABQ-SVC SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4
4B AIA-CDR OCT 0>1.7
4B AIA-DEN OCT 0>1.6
4B CDR-DEN OCT 0>1.7
4B CNM-DFW OCT 0>0.8
4B CVN-DFW OCT 0>3

4O SAT-MEX OCT 1.7>1.8

9K ACK-PVD SEP 1.9>3
9K MVY-PVD SEP 1.5>3

AA BOS-BUF DEC 3>1.9
AA BOS-MDT DEC 0.9>0.6
AA BOS-PIT DEC 4>3
AA BOS-ROC DEC 3>1.9
AA BOS-SYR DEC 1.7>1.3
AA CLT-LHR JAN 1.3>1.5
AA CLT-PDX NOV 0.9>0.7
AA CLT-SLC NOV 0.9>0.6
AA DCA-PVD NOV 7>6
AA DFW-ABQ NOV 9>8
AA DFW-AUS NOV 16>15
AA DFW-CDG JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8
AA DFW-CLE NOV 5>4
AA DFW-FRA NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
AA DFW-MAD NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8
AA DFW-PTY DEC 0.7>0.5
AA DFW-RNO NOV 2>1.4
AA JFK-BCN JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8
AA JFK-BHX DEC 0.8>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.8
AA JFK-CDG NOV 2>1.9 DEC 2>1.8 JAN 2>1.4 FEB 3>1.6
AA JFK-CMH NOV 1.9>1.3
AA JFK-MAN JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0.9
AA JFK-MXP NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.7
AA JFK-ZRH NOV 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
AA LAX-DFW NOV 16>17
AA LAX-FAT NOV 4>3
AA LAX-LHR JAN 2>1.7 FEB 3>2.0
AA LAX-SAN NOV 9>7
AA LAX-SFO NOV 10>11
AA LGA-YYZ DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 6>4 MAR 5>4 APR 5>4
AA MIA-BCN NOV 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8
AA MIA-BHM NOV 1.7>1.2
AA MIA-BWI NOV 4>3
AA MIA-JAX NOV 7>6
AA MIA-MXP NOV 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.6
AA MIA-PAP FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2
AA MIA-SLC NOV 0.5>0.1
AA ORD-CDG JAN 1.0>0.4 FEB 1.0>0.5
AA ORD-CHO DEC 2>3
AA ORD-DFW NOV 16>17 APR 15>16
AA ORD-LHR FEB 4>3 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
AA ORD-MAN NOV 1.0>0.9
AA ORD-YUL APR 3>2
AA PHL-AMS NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9
AA PHL-BRU NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9
AA PHL-DCA DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9 FEB 9>10
AA PHL-DFW NOV 12>11
AA PHL-DUB FEB 1.0>0.9
AA PHL-FCO FEB 0.4>0
AA PHL-FRA NOV 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8
AA PHL-LGA NOV 10>9
AA PHL-LHR NOV 2>1.9 DEC 2>1.8 JAN 2>1.4 FEB 3>1.7
AA PHL-MAD NOV 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
AA PHL-MAN FEB 1.0>0.9
AA PHL-MUC NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8
AA PHL-ORD NOV 12>10
AA PHL-ORF NOV 8>7
AA PHL-PVD NOV 8>7
AA PHL-RIC NOV 8>7
AA PHX-DFW NOV 14>13
AA PHX-GEG NOV 2>1.4

AD MCO-CNF NOV 0.4>0.2

AF MIA-PAP SEP 0.7>0.6

AM BOS-MEX NOV 0.9>0.7
AM IAD-MEX NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7
AM IAH-MEX NOV 5>4 FEB 6>5
AM SFO-GDL NOV 0.9>0.7

B6 FLL-SJU DEC 6>7

BW JFK-GND SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.3>0
BW JFK-KIN SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.5

DL ATL-BNA JAN 9>10
DL ATL-CRW JAN 4>5
Interesting. Now appears to be 4/week, also extended to April 30th. Rare you see an additional freq cut a week after the first one. Makes reaccom a mess.
*DL ATL-DXB OCT 0.7>0.6 NOV 0.7>0.6 DEC 0.7>0.6 JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.8>0.6 MAR 0.8>0.6 APR 1.0>0.6
DL ATL-LHR DEC 2.0>1.8
DL ATL-LOS NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9
DL CVG-BDL DEC 0.8>0.5
DL CVG-CLT OCT 1.5>3
DL CVG-SFO APR 1.0>0.1
DL DFW-MSP OCT 6>7
DL DTW-GRU OCT 0.7>0.5 NOV 0.7>0.5 DEC 0.5>0.4
DL DTW-LEX NOV 4>5
DL DTW-SDF NOV 5>6
DL JFK-DEN NOV 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.1>1.9
DL JFK-NRT OCT 1.0>0.9 NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0.9
DL JFK-RIC JAN 1.9>3
DL LAX-SJC DEC 8>7
DL LAX-SYD NOV 1.0>0.8
DL LGA-BOS NOV 13>14
DL LGA-CHO DEC 0.8>0.5
Already reducing frequency...and in March?
*DL MCO-BSB FEB 0.6>0.5 MAR 0.5>0.4 APR 0.6>0.4
DL PHL-LHR DEC 1.0>0.8
DL SEA-ATL NOV 5>6
DL SEA-SAN NOV 4>3
DL SLC-BOI APR 6>5
DL SLC-BUR JAN 1.9>3 FEB 1.9>3
DL SLC-FAT FEB 1.9>3
DL SLC-GEG APR 4>3
I give them credit for continuing to try things...
*DL SLC-RDU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
DL SLC-SJC MAR 5>4 APR 5>4
DL SLC-SMF MAR 5>4 APR 5>4

*F9 MSP-TTN NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0
*F9 ORD-TTN NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

LA MIA-SCL SEP 1.9>6 OCT 2>6 NOV 1.8>6 DEC 1.7>6 JAN 3>7 FEB 3>7 MAR 1.8>6 APR 1.9>6

MW EYW-PBI NOV 1.3>0.7 DEC 1.8>0.6
MW PBI-PIE NOV 0.8>0.3 DEC 1.5>0.5

Looks like NK is moving pretty quickly away from secondary airports. Florida/MYR stuff remains.
*NK LAS-LBE NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
*NK LBE-ORD NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

PR LAX-CEB MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.4

SY BOS-MSP APR 0.1>1.5
SY DCA-MSP APR 0.2>1.7
SY JFK-MSP APR 0.1>1.6
SY LAS-MSP APR 0.2>1.3
SY LAX-MSP APR 0.1>1.5
SY MCO-MSP APR 0.3>3
SY MSP-PHX APR 0.3>1.7
SY MSP-SAN APR 0.1>0.9
SY MSP-SEA APR 0>0.8
SY MSP-SFO APR 0.1>1.5
SY RSW-SJU APR 0.3>0.4

Why? I know they are seasonally strong, but why bother competing with the LCCs at this point?
*UA CLE-FLL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.8 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*UA CLE-RSW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.8 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
UA DEN-MCI NOV 6>7
UA EWR-LAS JAN 7>6 FEB 8>7
*UA EWR-SKB JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.2
UA IAH-BJX DEC 4>5
UA IAH-MTY DEC 6>7
UA IAH-YEG JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 1.7>1.0 APR 1.7>1.0
UA LAX-EWR APR 13>12
*UA ORD-AZO DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3
They've improved service so much since closing JFK. LOL
*UA SFO-EWR FEB 14>13 MAR 15>14 APR 15>14
UA SFO-HNL JAN 6>5

*UE CLD-LAX SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2

Might be the last US schedule change
US PHX-ELP SEP 4>3
US PHX-FAT SEP 4>1.6 OCT 1.2>0.9
US PHX-PSP SEP 6>5

VR PVD-RAI FEB 0.2>0.3

ZK DEN-FMN OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.9 JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>1.8
ZK FMN-PGA OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:46 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-NRT OCT 1.0>0.9 NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0.9

That's interesting...and not entirely surprising.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-LHR JAN 2>1.7 FEB 3>2.0
AA has never flown 3 flights a day between LAX-LHR

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MIA-SCL SEP 1.9>6 OCT 2>6 NOV 1.8>6 DEC 1.7>6 JAN 3>7 FEB 3>7 MAR 1.8>6 APR 1.9>6

6 and 7 nonstops between MIA-SCL? I think this is another error.

AA MIA-PAP FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2

also noticed that FLL-PAP is being reduced to 1 daily starting in Jan 2016

[Edited 2015-08-09 07:31:30]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MIA-SCL SEP 1.9>6 OCT 2>6 NOV 1.8>6 DEC 1.7>6 JAN 3>7 FEB 3>7 MAR 1.8>6 APR 1.9>6

This can't be right... Plus the AA flights, that would be 9 daily MIA-SCL flights!! No way.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK LBE-ORD NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

I wonder if they will add something else to ORD now..
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:45 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-RDU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

This route has come and gone at least three times, hasn't it?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:58 pm

Looks like AA did a bunch of 1-2x weekly cuts across the board on TA routes in the winter

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA PHL-FCO FEB 0.4>0

I think it was suspended for a month or two around this time in W15.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:16 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-NRT OCT 1.0>0.9 NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0.9

That's interesting...and not entirely surprising.

I *think* it's rare for DL to do NRT cuts to non-daily. I haven't seen one in a while.

Quoting miaami (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-LHR JAN 2>1.7 FEB 3>2.0
AA has never flown 3 flights a day between LAX-LHR

I noticed a bunch of oddballs in FEB16 over the last two months. I've wondered if it is a bug related to Leap Year, but it only seems to affect a few routes, so it is not my automation which allows for leap year.

Quoting miaami (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MIA-SCL SEP 1.9>6 OCT 2>6 NOV 1.8>6 DEC 1.7>6 JAN 3>7 FEB 3>7 MAR 1.8>6 APR 1.9>6

6 and 7 nonstops between MIA-SCL? I think this is another error.
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 3):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MIA-SCL SEP 1.9>6 OCT 2>6 NOV 1.8>6 DEC 1.7>6 JAN 3>7 FEB 3>7 MAR 1.8>6 APR 1.9>6

This can't be right... Plus the AA flights, that would be 9 daily MIA-SCL flights!! No way.

They probably filed the code shares without the "duplicate" marker.

Quoting nkops (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK LBE-ORD NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

I wonder if they will add something else to ORD now..

I think it's more interesting what this means to LBE.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-RDU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

This route has come and gone at least three times, hasn't it?

True. I didn't even put it in the headline, but I bet somebody now makes their own thread on this as if they discovered it themselves.   

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 6):
Looks like AA did a bunch of 1-2x weekly cuts across the board on TA routes in the winter

I noticed that. I'm kind of surprised they don't just make all the flights daily from the primary Atlantic hub (PHL?) and just cut other stuff more deeply, but that seems to be less the strategy.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Why? I know they are seasonally strong, but why bother competing with the LCCs at this point?
*UA CLE-FLL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.8 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*UA CLE-RSW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.8 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

I guess it's like, why not? Not why. UA has not forgotten CLE afterall.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:40 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-SFO APR 1.0>0.1

This can't be right
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:44 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Quoting nkops (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK LBE-ORD NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

I wonder if they will add something else to ORD now..

I think it's more interesting what this means to LBE.

LAS surprises me since its a high tourist destination, then again on the other hand its a long flight that could probably make more money elsewhere. Hope NK stays at LBE would be a huge blow to that airport if they completely pulled everything
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
I noticed that. I'm kind of surprised they don't just make all the flights daily from the primary Atlantic hub (PHL?) and just cut other stuff more deeply, but that seems to be less the strategy.
ORD, JFK, MIA, DFW all have sufficient O&D that you don't want to lose by cutting a route all together or down to 3-4x weekly. I wonder if the schedules are such that the DFW/PHL-MAD reductions occur on different days so as to still provide plenty of connections.

It looks like PHL-BCN is suspended longer this winter. In W15 it was only suspended for about a month. In W16 it does not operate from mid-November to early-May.

JFK-EDI is also seasonal, not sure when it was announced if it was announced as seasonal

[Edited 2015-08-09 09:05:51]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:09 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8):
I guess it's like, why not? Not why.

That CLE-Florida stuff is low yield and very hard to make money against ULCCs. That's why not.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 10):
LAS surprises me since its a high tourist destination, then again on the other hand its a long flight that could probably make more money elsewhere. Hope NK stays at LBE would be a huge blow to that airport if they completely pulled everything

They just added MIA-LAS and MCO-LAX, LOL. It's not about distance. This a big win for PIT against LBE.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 11):
ORD, JFK, MIA, DFW all have sufficient O&D that you don't want to lose by cutting a route all together

I thought about that, but if you end up with no way to get to a place efficiently on Wednesdays from their whole network as a result it is a crappy outcome for customer retention.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8):
I guess it's like, why not? Not why.

That CLE-Florida stuff is low yield and very hard to make money against ULCCs. That's why not.

They must feel they will be able to make it work.
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:28 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 13):

UAL dropped FLL because they "couldnt make it work," but now with jetBlue as competition they bring it back? They're going to get crushed!
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:39 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 4):
I wonder if they will add something else to ORD now..
NK did increase ORD-BWI to 2x daily. The LBE-ORD and LBE-LAS cuts were discussed in the PIT thread, and there was an article linked where Spirit commented that performance didn't meet expectations.

I'm afraid ACY-ORD won't return next year mainly because of the low fares on PHL-ORD that very present by F9 and NK and the fare wars

It's easy to snag a LBE-ORD fare for $34.10 this August (e.g. August 16), but it's also easy to snag an ORD-ACY fare for $34.10 this August (e.g. August 17) and that route is longer. It's cheaper if bought at the airport also.

[Edited 2015-08-09 09:43:48]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:42 pm

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 15):
I'm afraid ACY-ORD won't return next year mainly because of the low fares on PHL-ORD that very present by F9 and NK and the fare wars

The only thing that ORD-ACY has going for it is that the casinos buy seats in bulk on that flight (along with DTW and BOS). I would hate to see it go and hope it can co-exist with PHL-ORD just like MYR does.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:30 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
That CLE-Florida stuff is low yield and very hard to make money against ULCCs. That's why not.

UA has a big overhead expense in CLE because of long-term contractual lease obligations to the airport. If these flights increase winter fleet utilization, then adding a flight or two in CLE is almost free apart from the variable costs of the flying; and the variable costs are pretty low so long as fuel is.

AA has begun pushing back against the ULCCs; maybe UA wants to show a fight to keep them out of markets that are more important to UA.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):

MIA-LAS, MCO-LAX were added by Frontier, not Spirit.
The views I express are my own and do not reflect the views and opinions of my company.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:45 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-FAT NOV 4>3
AA LAX-SAN NOV 9>7

Schedule shows November changing from Skywest CRJs to completely operated by Compass E75s for those 2. So a frequency adjustment to account for difference in aircraft capacity.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:47 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Reply 12):

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8):
I guess it's like, why not? Not why.

That CLE-Florida stuff is low yield and very hard to make money against ULCCs. That's why not.

They must feel they will be able to make it work.
Quoting N766UA (Reply 14):
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 13):

UAL dropped FLL because they "couldnt make it work," but now with jetBlue as competition they bring it back? They're going to get crushed!

I really don't see why they would add it other than "defending" CLE, but at this point...why?

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 17):
If these flights increase winter fleet utilization

Utilization is not a priority any more. RASM is much more of a priority. There must be other options for these planes. It's not like the planes only operate at CLE and must fly from there.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 18):
MIA-LAS, MCO-LAX were added by Frontier, not Spirit.

Oh you are right, but NK has also been adding long flights to BWI.
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:49 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-RDU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

This route has come and gone at least three times, hasn't it?

Its come and gone three times. However it appears its here to stay. According to people I know theres more to come.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:53 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-RDU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

This route has come and gone at least three times, hasn't it?

True. I didn't even put it in the headline, but I bet somebody now makes their own thread on this as if they discovered it themselves.   
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:03 pm

What's even stranger about the CLE-FLL route is that UA doesn't fly IAD-FLL! It speaks to something about the domestic viability of UA's IAD hub.

Who is flying CLE-RSW currently? NK?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:09 pm

Its come and gone three times. However it appears its here to stay. According to people I know theres more to come.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 22):

Do tell on the more to come? Could they finally reinstate SLC-TPA?
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:16 pm

Quoting holeham (Reply 24):
Do tell on the more to come? Could they finally reinstate SLC-TPA?

Given that the poster is NC based, I'd assume he means there's more to come to RDU.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:39 pm

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 21):
Its come and gone three times. However it appears its here to stay.

That seems like a very optimistic statement.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 22):
Don't feel too bad, it was only posted about 17 hours before you posted it.

Oh well, you lose some and you lose some.

Quoting michman (Reply 25):
Quoting holeham (Reply 24):
Do tell on the more to come? Could they finally reinstate SLC-TPA?

Given that the poster is NC based, I'd assume he means there's more to come to RDU.

Didn't they just drop SLC-MDW?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 26):
That seems like a very optimistic statement.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 22):
Don't feel too bad, it was only posted about 17 hours before you posted it.

Hey he does an amazing job so a mistake once in a while is OK in my books.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:52 pm

Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 23):

What's even stranger about the CLE-FLL route is that UA doesn't fly IAD-FLL! It speaks to something about the domestic viability of UA's IAD hub.

Who is flying CLE-RSW currently? NK?


CLE-RSW is currently year round daily on F9. NK flies it for the winter season as well. So UA will be going up against 2 ULCCs for RSW this winter. UA flew this route last winter up against NK and F9 before cutting it in April.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:21 am

Quoting brilondon (Reply 27):
Quoting enilria (Reply 26):
That seems like a very optimistic statement.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 22):
Don't feel too bad, it was only posted about 17 hours before you posted it.

Hey he does an amazing job so a mistake once in a while is OK in my books.

Thanks.

I was just surprised somebody stumbled onto the change without the aid of the complicated process I have to follow to identify changes.

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 28):
So UA will be going up against 2 ULCCs for RSW this winter.

I suspect that if they actually fly it, they will start trimming out off-peak days so the schedule is like swiss cheese not operating on Tuesdays and the like.
 
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Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:45 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 29):
I suspect that if they actually fly it, they will start trimming out off-peak days so the schedule is like swiss cheese not operating on Tuesdays and the like.

It looks like they've already planned for that. Both FLL and RSW don't operate on Tuesdays and Wednesdays for a lot of the season according to United's website.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:11 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-SYD NOV 1.0>0.8

This is the first cut I can ever recall for this service. I would think the decline in the Aussie dollar would be stimulating US based VFR traffic.

David
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:48 am

Looks like AA is bringing back the 10pm ORD-LHR flight to go back to 4X daily. Where is the LHR slot coming from?
 
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Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:51 am

Quoting diverdave (Reply 31):
This is the first cut I can ever recall for this service. I would think the decline in the Aussie dollar would be stimulating US based VFR traffic.

David

This has all the signs of a US Thanksgiving holiday trimming of service.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 30):
It looks like they've already planned for that. Both FLL and RSW don't operate on Tuesdays and Wednesdays for a lot of the season according to United's website.

LOL. Then we will see what's left to cut next.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:39 am

Interesting to see Delta go less than daily on routes like JFK-NRT and LAX-SYD I guess delta has decided some quiet days of the week the planes make more money on the ground even if its only a short reduction. Just cancelling some quiet flights and overfilling the others.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Interesting. Now appears to be 4/week, also extended to April 30th. Rare you see an additional freq cut a week after the first one. Makes reaccom a mess.
*DL ATL-DXB OCT 0.7>0.6 NOV 0.7>0.6 DEC 0.7>0.6 JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.8>0.6 MAR 0.8>0.6 APR 1.0>0.6

Its starting to look more and more like DL is bleeding money at certain times on this route. I think delta has lost lots of its connecting traffic that use to feed this.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:49 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Interesting. Now appears to be 4/week, also extended to April 30th. Rare you see an additional freq cut a week after the first one. Makes reaccom a mess.
*DL ATL-DXB OCT 0.7>0.6 NOV 0.7>0.6 DEC 0.7>0.6 JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.8>0.6

Only if there were actually people booked on those flights. lol

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-RDU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

Perhaps also an attempt to siphon off the non-SEA PNW-RDU traffic that AS is going to need for their new service? Kill two birds with one stone.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 MSP-TTN NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0
*F9 ORD-TTN NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

Might be a better fit.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SY BOS-MSP APR 0.1>1.5
SY DCA-MSP APR 0.2>1.7
SY JFK-MSP APR 0.1>1.6
SY LAS-MSP APR 0.2>1.3
SY LAX-MSP APR 0.1>1.5
SY MCO-MSP APR 0.3>3
SY MSP-PHX APR 0.3>1.7
SY MSP-SAN APR 0.1>0.9
SY MSP-SEA APR 0>0.8
SY MSP-SFO APR 0.1>1.5
SY RSW-SJU APR 0.3>0.4

They are feeling [more] optimistic looking towards spring.

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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:52 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 35):

Interesting to see Delta go less than daily on routes like JFK-NRT and LAX-SYD I guess delta has decided some quiet days of the week the planes make more money on the ground even if its only a short reduction. Just cancelling some quiet flights and overfilling the others.

I think they cut weak days anywhere the slots allow it. NRT is unusual.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 35):
I think delta has lost lots of its connecting traffic that use to feed this.

I think it is more likely that they are thinking of cutting off interlines with EK.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 36):
Only if there were actually people booked on those flights. lol

Yield is the issue not volume.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 36):
Perhaps also an attempt to siphon off the non-SEA PNW-RDU traffic that AS is going to need for their new service? Kill two birds with one stone.

I doubt it

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 36):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 MSP-TTN NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0
*F9 ORD-TTN NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

Might be a better fit.

Agreed

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 36):
They are feeling [more] optimistic looking towards spring.

It's just a schedule extension
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:14 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B CDR-DEN OCT 0>1.7

Who is 4B?

What equipment will they be using on this route?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ZK DEN-FMN OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.9 JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>1.8
ZK FMN-PGA OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

Will September's schedule be affected? I was planning to take ZK DEN-FMN-PGA-PHX next month, to log FMN.

ZK just keeps cutting more and more every week......
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:16 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 38):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B CDR-DEN OCT 0>1.7

Who is 4B?

What equipment will they be using on this route?

Boutique Air

I would assume PC12s

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 38):
Will September's schedule be affected? I was planning to take ZK DEN-FMN-PGA-PHX next month, to log FMN.

Not in this week's schedule load

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 38):
ZK just keeps cutting more and more every week......

No pilots
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:22 pm

OP should change the thread title as it makes it sound as if DL has entirely cut ATL DXB which is what I thought from the headline. "Reduces" would be a much better word.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 32):
AA is bringing back the 10pm ORD-LHR

And I thought ORD was toast 
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:25 pm

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 32):
Looks like AA is bringing back the 10pm ORD-LHR flight to go back to 4X daily. Where is the LHR slot coming from?

The 10pm ORD-LHR flight does come back, however if the schedule is correct do AA & BA really have depatures at the same time? There appears to be departures on both at 1810
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 32):
Looks like AA is bringing back the 10pm ORD-LHR flight to go back to 4X daily. Where is the LHR slot coming from?

No additional flights just flight 46 moving from a 6:20p departure to 10:00p.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:07 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 42):

The 10pm ORD-LHR flight does come back, however if the schedule is correct do AA & BA really have depatures at the same time? There appears to be departures on both at 1810

In July it becomes a 620 pm dep for AA

Quoting miaami (Reply 43):
No additional flights just flight 46 moving from a 6:20p departure to 10:00p.

we are talking abt next summer - starting last week of March 2016 there are 4 AA flights daily and 2 BA flights
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA BOS-BUF DEC 3>1.9
AA BOS-MDT DEC 0.9>0.6
AA BOS-PIT DEC 4>3
AA BOS-ROC DEC 3>1.9

Winter trimming - relatively good news for those hoping that the combined AA/US will keep some of these non-hub flights out of BOS. Doesn't looking they're cutting them.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:07 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 40):
OP should change the thread title as it makes it sound as if DL has entirely cut ATL DXB which is what I thought from the headline. "Reduces" would be a much better word.

We had this same debate last week. Cut can mean either and there is a limit on the length of headlines. Reduces doesn't ever fit. Cut is shorter.

"to trim by clipping, shearing, paring, or pruning: to cut hair."

"reduced by or as if by cutting: cut whiskey; cut prices."

"to lessen; decrease:"
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:32 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 45):
Winter trimming - relatively good news for those hoping that the combined AA/US will keep some of these non-hub flights out of BOS. Doesn't looking they're cutting them.

This looks like holiday reductions.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:54 pm

Can we keep this thread on topic and not rehash the off topic debate on cuts and reductions?
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RE: OAG Changes 8/14/2015:NK Cuts LBE,DL Cuts DXB More

Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:25 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 46):
We had this same debate last week.

I would say you "cut frequency" and you "exit" a market. I'm with you on this one.

Quoting HNL (Reply 49):
Can we keep this thread on topic and not rehash the off topic debate on cuts and reductions?

Rather bland week in the schedule change world   

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