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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:42 pm

"We're getting our first 787-9 tomorrow," says Joel Chusid, U.S. executive director of Hainan, the fast-growing private Chinese airline."
http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjourna...-how-boeings-787-is.html?ana=yahoo

the rest of the article is good as well
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:49 pm

Half the article reads like a copy/paste from the marketing brochure.

Quote:
Hainan expects all of its U.S.-China flights will switch to Dreamliners by the end of the year. "We would have done it sooner," he explains, "but we haven't been able to get them quickly enough."

Their first 787-9 was put into storage for some time, they could have received it sooner?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:06 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 48):
Their first 787-9 was put into storage for some time, they could have received it sooner?

Thank the Chinese government for that. They wanted Air China to be the first operator and have a short period of exclusivity.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 46):
LN 14 should have its B-1 flight tomorrow.

Pushed one more day. Expect if they're bothering to fly LN 14 now that probably means LN 12 will be back from VCV pretty soon and LN 14 will fly down there to take its place.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:13 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 48):
Their first 787-9 was put into storage for some time, they could have received it sooner?

no they had to wait for Air China to take delivery of their first -9 and put it into service... it's all about face.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:28 pm

I just saw a vid and noticed the 787 flapiron (sp) is double jointed.   
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:10 am

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 51):
I just saw a vid and noticed the 787 flapiron (sp) is double jointed.

sounds like some sexual innuendo.....
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:22 pm

Hainan Airlines´ # 1 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - MSN 60283 / LN 430, reg. B-7880, with the cabin configuration C42 Y262, powered by two . GEnx-1B74/75 twin-shaft turbofans (fan diameter: 2.821,9 mm / 111,1 in; eng. architecture: F+4LPC-10HPC ^ 2HPT-7LPT), each 341,20 kN / 34.793 kgf / 76.705 lbf, flying on the route PAE-HAK, was delivered to the customer on 09. Jun 2016.

The Haikou based carrier becomes China's first operator of both 787-8 and 787-9 variants of the Dreamliner family. Hainan Airlines already has 10 Boeing 787-8 Dreamliners in the service. The inaugural Boeing 787-9´s flight will operate from Haikou to Beijing on 13. Jun, before commencing daily services from Beijing to Shenzhen and Guangzhou. For the month of July 2016, the 787-9 is scheduled to operate Beijing -Boston route 3 times a week, and the flights from Beijing to Las Vegas will begin in September.

HU´s # 1 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner is the 55th Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft delivered in 2016 and 41st of the type 787-9...


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:28 am

Work is being performed on LN10.


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:41 am

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:48 am

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 40):
" Pin Up Girl " G-VFAN heading back to CHS as Boeing 39 after being painted here at PDX.

Arrived at LHR on Sat 11June as VS827P CHS-LHR. First pax flight looks like tonight as the VS300 to DEL.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:53 pm

BA will receive another eight B789s by the end of October this year.

Four by the end of July.

The last one will be G-ZBKP
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:59 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 55):
LN 12 has been repainted in ET livery.

The aircraft has been named "Colonel Robinson."

The story of the actual Colonel John Robinson is pretty remarkable. He was one of the first African-American aviators, and a war hero in Ethiopia. He was denied entry into the Curtiss-Wright aviation school in Chicago, but got a job as a janitor there and sat in on classes. He formed a group of African-American students that built their own aircraft under the supervision of one instructor, which impressed the school administration enough that the students were eventually granted admission. He became a licensed pilot and formed a small aviation school aimed at African-American students.

Haile Selassie got wind of his achievements and invited him to Ethiopia to help form the country's Air Force, which put up a valiant although ultimately losing struggle against Mussolini's Fascist forces. While in Ethiopia, he also founded a little airline called Ethiopian Airlines. After the Fascists conquered Ethiopia, he escaped back to America, where he helped Tuskegee form an aviation school. That school trained most of the famous Tuskegee Airmen who served with such distinction in WWII.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:39 pm

Air China took delivery of B-7878 their 2nd B787-9:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA8 ... /KCHS/ZBAA
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:18 am

Hmm, this new forum format has come as a bit of a shock! :shock:

I see BOE6 made a taxi test a short while ago which would tally up to ln 14 for Ethiopian. Is the rego known for this one yet? ET-ATK perhaps?
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:29 am

@mfranjic, do you know exact RR Trent 1000 engine type for Ethiopian's terrible teens?
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:58 am

The next 787-8 for UX is ready to delivery in the next few days.......
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:30 am

LN 17 is back on the market:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1335337
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:55 pm

I've updated the firing order on the spreadsheets:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ingle=true
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:50 pm

Anyone know a Production/Delivery Thread of Boeing 777 :)
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:18 pm

After six working days of delays, Matt Cawby tweeted that ZD006 (Ethiopian 787-8 LN 14) is airborne. It's not in FlightAware for some reason, but it's visible in FR24 as BOE6.

Based on LN11, LN12, and now this, It does seem that the teens have more minor issues to resolve before being ready for first flight than new production frames or later-build reworked frames.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:26 pm

Line 14's first flight happens 6 and 1/2 years after its initial rollout, about the same time span as line 12.

And I love that another teen gets to fly in its original livery! Pics please.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:11 pm

alifrk777 wrote:
Anyone know a Production/Delivery Thread of Boeing 777 :)


I don't think so. There was one but that was around years ago. Im sure you can make one
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:26 pm

 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:29 am

piotrg wrote:
LN14 landing after first flight:


Would Boeing need permission from ANA to keep flying the plane in their branding or would ANA consider it free marketing?
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:24 am

I doubt ANA cares about a few test flights, but who knows. I think it's cool to get a few pics of these frames flying in the same liveries that they've been stored around Paine Field for 6+ years in, for 'closure', but I'm an obsessive compulsive plane nerd (it really pissed me off line 11 got painted before its B1, because after that it flew to Victorville paint hangar and came back all white again... so what was the point?). I don't think either Boeing or ANA care about this either way.

So far, out of the terrible teens that have flown, line 11 got painted all white (over its original ANA livery) before its first flight, and lines 12, 14, and 22 have flown in their original ANA liveries.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:37 pm

LN 14 is scheduled to head to Victorville for paint this afternoon.

In about a month, expect LN 14 to come back and LN 13 to make its first flight and fly down there. Then LN 15, and then LN 17 (likely to be painted all white), and then Victorville gets a break from teens until late in the winter when LN 18 will be ready.

Boeing was careful to cover the ANA markings while the teens were in storage, but it seems they are OK with test flights, at least for aircraft with a more or less complete ANA livery. LN 11 may have been painted before flight because its ANA livery was in far worse shape (repainted rudder, a couple of black doors) after it finished rework than 22/12/14 have been.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:57 am

Air Europa 787-8 EC-MIH delivery flight from CHS:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AEA1/a0c4fc0
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:34 am

LN14 registration will be ET-ATN (so LN13 is probably ET-ATM)
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:07 am

According to Woodys Aeroimages, LN19 will now go to RwandAir.

Terrible Teen LN19 has been sold to @FlyRwandAir and was moved to EMC to begin rework.

https://twitter.com/woody2190/status/744023108508618757

If I remember correctly, this was mentioned before, but it was originally both LN17 and LN19.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:32 am

I have some doubt about this, cause LN19 is planned to be delivered to Crystal Air, in 2017, according to ATDB (updated was made in May 2016)
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:02 am

rukundo wrote:
I have some doubt about this, cause LN19 is planned to be delivered to Crystal Air, in 2017, according to ATDB (updated was made in May 2016)


Crystal cancelled the order. There was a thread about it just recently.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:22 am

ReandAir seems like a very odd customer for a single 788 given that they are acquiring two 333s. Wonder if they will also buy LN 17 on delivery to Crystsl.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:03 am

Crystal cancelled the order. There was a thread about it just recently.


In deed LN17 won't be delivered to Crystal, so LN19 too.

But RwandAir denied the info :

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@woody2190 we have no B787 on order. @PiotrG_ @B787fans @ureshs @karelxwb @787obsession @boeing787tweets

So wait and see...
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:24 am

Gut feeling is RwandAir acquisition(s) won't happen. They strike me as another Arik Air - both from basket case countries.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:32 am

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a mix up with ECAir. The 2nd 787-8 on order to PrivatAir was silently transferred to ECAir on Boeing's order book earlier this year. It's an airline which I could see getting one of the teens. The only issue is that their order is listed on Boeing's order book with RR engines , LN19 is listed as GE on Uresh's spreadsheet.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:26 am

rukundo wrote:

But RwandAir denied the info :

RwandAir ‏@FlyRwandAir 1 hil y a 1 heure

@woody2190 we have no B787 on order. @PiotrG_ @B787fans @ureshs @karelxwb @787obsession @boeing787tweets

So wait and see...

Well, I'm not really surprised that they denied it. Not many airlines admit that they have undisclosed orders. But it does fit seeing as there was a UFO order for 1 787 earlier this month
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:30 am

Well, I'm not really surprised that they denied it. Not many airlines admit that they have undisclosed orders. But it does fit seeing as there was a UFO order for 1 787 earlier this month


In deed, when RwandAir ordered B737-800s, they placed in December 2009 and made the announcement, in May 2010
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:52 pm

I note LN 456 ZK NZI is in pre-flight testing. Any ideas of when first flight may be? Any pictures of it?
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:57 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
I note LN 456 ZK NZI is in pre-flight testing. Any ideas of when first flight may be? Any pictures of it?

Currently at the fuel dock:

ImageZK-NZI Air New Zealand Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 37965 / LN 456 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:28 pm

Currently at the fuel dock:

what exactly goes on there? Must be more than a fueling operation.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:55 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
Currently at the fuel dock: what exactly goes on there? Must be more than a fueling operation.


I believe they also do the aqueous wash of the fuel tanks and verify the fuel system is leak-free when pressurized.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:14 am

There was a mention of a (first) test flight more than 6 years after roll-out, and I was wondering, does the maintenance clock start with the (first) test flight? I realize these "Teens" will have a unique maintenance schedule, because of all the re-work, but when Ethiopian takes delivery of them, are they essentially taking delivery of a "new" plane? And does the re-work address aircraft weight loss or other factors? Or both? Personally, I thought there would be more airlines willing to take delivery of the "Teens", even with their non-standard 787 capabilities.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:25 am

HOOB747 wrote:
There was a mention of a (first) test flight more than 6 years after roll-out, and I was wondering, does the maintenance clock start with the (first) test flight? I realize these "Teens" will have a unique maintenance schedule, because of all the re-work, but when Ethiopian takes delivery of them, are they essentially taking delivery of a "new" plane? And does the re-work address aircraft weight loss or other factors? Or both? Personally, I thought there would be more airlines willing to take delivery of the "Teens", even with their non-standard 787 capabilities.

In terms of flight hours/cycles they are brand new frames. Question is about time between checks. I think that re-work could be considered as "D" check, so clock will run from day 1. Many parts are brand new (never installed or have to be changed like windshields) and many have been upgraded/re-worked to certification/current production standards.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:53 am

Thank you Piotrg, that helps with my understanding of what "re-work" means. I get it, the longer they sit, the more re-work they need.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:25 pm

HOOB747 wrote:
Thank you Piotrg, that helps with my understanding of what "re-work" means. I get it, the longer they sit, the more re-work they need.

Indeed. Boeing reworked later production frames which required less work first. Thanks to that schedule they were able to re-work 40 frames in 2 years. If they started from terrible teens, then they would re-work only 10-15 frames in that same period of time.

But you have to remember that these frames are in different state - few of them had some job done earlier but Boeing's trouble with batteries, travled work, customers dropping order for them (like Transaero, ) interrupted process and frames went back to storage (like LN5, LN17 and LN19 back in 2012-2013).

LN14 re-work took nearly 3 years due to these circumstances and lack of customer when LN6 re-work took "only" 2,5 year. Same situation with 2nd production block (LN20-29). Air India's LN25 and LN26 finished re-work in 7-8 months when LN20 and LN21 for JAL needed 12-14 months due to later delivery dates and slower pace. LN22 sitted in EMC for over 2 years in slow pace re-work due to lack of customer.
During re-work of LN28 VT-ANC hydraulic line failure happend and frame needed few months of additional work at wing structure fix.

In normal schedule/work pace terrible teens require around 12-14 months of re-work.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:58 am

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According to Woodys Aeroimages, LN19 will now go to RwandAir.

Terrible Teen LN19 has been sold to @FlyRwandAir and was moved to EMC to begin rework.

https://twitter.com/woody2190/status/744023108508618757

If I remember correctly, this was mentioned before, but it was originally both LN17 and LN19.


Didn't RwandAir swap two 787s for A330s?
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:31 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
817Dreamliiner wrote:
According to Woodys Aeroimages, LN19 will now go to RwandAir.

Terrible Teen LN19 has been sold to @FlyRwandAir and was moved to EMC to begin rework.

https://twitter.com/woody2190/status/744023108508618757

If I remember correctly, this was mentioned before, but it was originally both LN17 and LN19.


Didn't RwandAir swap two 787s for A330s?

They didn't order 787s.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:34 pm

AFAIK RwandAir signed a letter of intent in 2012 for two 787s but eventually walked away from the deal and ordered two A330s instead.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:02 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
AFAIK RwandAir signed a letter of intent in 2012 for two 787s but eventually walked away from the deal and ordered two A330s instead.

Indeed. It was LoI or MoU, but they never made real order.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:22 pm

RwandAir flat denied that they have any 787s on order after Chris of Woodysaeroimages tweeted that LN 19 was theirs. If they had one on order, you might expect them to refuse comment, but you wouldn't expect a straight denial like that.

I wonder if Chris might have looked mistakenly at an old source from the time when RwandAir supposedly had a LOI for LN 17 and 19, before they ordered A330s instead.

My personal feeling is that the UFO 1x 787-8 order is probably for LN 19 (and that's why it has suddenly gone into rework in place of LN 5) but not for Rwandair.

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