It looks like it's not Rwandair but new customer. They will probably wait to Farnborough to announce order and customer.

An ANA 787-9 was/is being flown today out of Moses Lake practicing the routine for Farnborough. Watched it go up twice while I was in the area flying survey and it even passed beneath me a few times while we were over the airport. As we were leaving, heard them say on the radio it was going up again as they were making arrivals hold for the 8-10 minute display.

flightsimer wrote:

An ANA 787-9 was/is being flown today out of Moses Lake practicing the routine for Farnborough. Watched it go up twice while I was in the area flying survey and it even passed beneath me a few times while we were over the airport. As we were leaving, heard them say on the radio it was going up again as they were making arrivals hold for the 8-10 minute display.

Video of the practice flight here:

https://youtu.be/kI6Crm2guJE

LN15 F-OLRB for Air Austral inside 40-24:

F-ORLB Air Austral Boeing 787-8 C/N 34491 / LN 15 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

First 787-9 for American Airlines started final assembly in Charleston

more photos/source: https://twitter.com/AmericanAir/status/ ... 5150796800

LN12 did C1 flight today:

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/746475566711242752

The delivery date for line number 396 has been repeatedly moved to the right and it is now scheduled for 30 September 2016. As it is currently in EMC, at position number 3, I'm starting to wonder if there is something else being done to the aircraft in additional to the installation of seats.
Anyone know?
Thanks.

I'm going to hazard a guess that LN 396's latest delay is driven by British Airways, not Boeing or anything about the physical condition of the aircraft. BA is already accepting an extraordinary number of 787s in a very short time. They may not be able to qualify crews fast enough, and/or they may wish to space out delivery payments.

re LN456 for NZ. Has that been painted ? If so when is first flight scheduled?

[quote="seabosdca"] BA is already accepting an extraordinary number of 787s in a very short time. They may not be able to qualify crews fast enough.

From which types are they converting pilots? 767 and 744 or which?

Now that all the teens are either in buildings or outside at the EMC, are they going to reopen the runway, now that it is not needed for storage?

starrion wrote:

Now that all the teens are either in buildings or outside at the EMC, are they going to reopen the runway, now that it is not needed for storage?

Boeing has leased Runway 11-29 for another 5 years. The airport is not enthusiastic about reopening, when it was active it handled only 1% of airport traffic. It will have to be repaved and will add to the FAA designated "hot spot" intersection problems on the Alpha taxiway and the main runway.

I happened to catch a British Airways 787-9 across the pond last week. I spoke with the Flight Crew afterwards. The Captain had transferred to the 787 from the 320 fleet.

Here's something very rare, a video from CHS... It shows the first Thomson/TUI 787-9 LN439 G-TUIJ departing on its customer flight last week.

https://youtu.be/tPyVkkl6R3s

Its due to depart for Manchester tonight. Will hopefully be able to catch it in the morning.

CX747 wrote:

I happened to catch a British Airways 787-9 across the pond last week. I spoke with the Flight Crew afterwards. The Captain had transferred to the 787 from the 320 fleet.

SO what did he/they say???? (good or bad) without that information it's really a 'so what' post

kanban wrote:

CX747 wrote:

I happened to catch a British Airways 787-9 across the pond last week. I spoke with the Flight Crew afterwards. The Captain had transferred to the 787 from the 320 fleet.

SO what did he/they say???? (good or bad) without that information it's really a 'so what' post

The question was posed of where are the pilots coming from within BA to staff the 787's. The reply was about a BA 787 pilot who said that he came from the A320. The post had a purpose but it just might not have been clear when you were perusing through.

-Dave

The question I was answering was from what fleet/s were new 787s guys coming from. The thought process by an earlier poster was they were transferring from the 747 and 767 fleet.

The 787 Captain I spoke with had transferred from the A320 fleet. A 744 Captain I chatted with had no idea what platform he would transfer to and was quite happy to be leaving God's green earth that day in BA's newest 744 bound for JFK.

The 787 Captain thoroughly enjoyed the 787 and stated that the platform had grown in leaps and bounds from when it first hit the scene. He loved the heads up display and found the aircraft easy to land.

In addition, I happened to speak with other crew members who had a great passion for the 747-400 and were disappointed that the fleet was shrinking and no new 747s were inbound. The one comment I took away, "I love the 747, everything on it just works, it just works. I know the 787 saves my company a ton and makes good money but I don't care. I like the 747."

Interesting tidbits from those in the field. We have a tendency on this forum to think new and shiny is the best and wanted by everyone. While the 787 was impressing some at BA, that didn't mean everyone wanted to transfer.

Ethiopian took delivery of LN12 ET-ATL, their first terrible teen. It's probably sale and leaseback agreement with AerCap.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH9 ... /KPAE/HAAB

Peek at LN 18 inside the EMC:

Boeing 787-8 C/N 34487 / LN 18 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

Worth noting that LN 12 ET-ATL's delivery flight (still ongoing) is nonstop SEA-ADD, which is 7280 nm and with favorable winds is expected to take a bit over 15 hours. Even with a light payload that's a nice display of range for a "teen" aircraft that has a 220 t MTOW and a few extra tonnes of empty weight compared to later production frames.

I wonder if Boeing is having a little celebration every time one of these old teen 787s delivers. It's like a 35 year old kid finally moving out of their parents' house.

Then again, maybe they're in mourning on the financial side

BiggerJetsPlz wrote:

Then again, maybe they're in mourning on the financial side

Count on this. Can you imagine the costs associated with the original build, storing and maintaining the POS for years, and then virtually disassembling and reassembling the thing to get it to production standard.

And who knows what Ethiopian actually paid for the things.

I sense a great disturbance in accounting, as if an entire profitable quarter was wiped out by one delivery.

I expect Boeing is losing a $100 million-plus on each teen delivery, but then they'd be losing twice that if they just scrapped it, so...

Costs of terrible teens assembly was written off long time ago. Boeing was able to sell them for more money (probably) than cost of re-work, so it's logical choice to sell and deliver them instead of scrapping.

piotrg wrote:

Costs of terrible teens assembly was written off long time ago. Boeing was able to sell them for more money (probably) than cost of re-work, so it's logical choice to sell and deliver them instead of scrapping.

I'd have to think so or else they'd have scrapped them. Why spend more than you can sell 'em for just to bring them up to code?

ER757 wrote:

piotrg wrote:

Costs of terrible teens assembly was written off long time ago. Boeing was able to sell them for more money (probably) than cost of re-work, so it's logical choice to sell and deliver them instead of scrapping.

I'd have to think so or else they'd have scrapped them. Why spend more than you can sell 'em for just to bring them up to code?

Indeed.
I don't think that Boeing sold these frames cheaper than during initial early order pricing 10 years ago. Price is very likely around 110m USD, about that what early customers paid for theirs 788s.

Has U-turn Al has had another toys-out-of-pram tantrum? A7-BDD doesn't seem to be going anywhere and is lagging quite a bit behind the other deliveries which is unusual.

RobK wrote:

Has U-turn Al has had another toys-out-of-pram tantrum? A7-BDD doesn't seem to be going anywhere and is lagging quite a bit behind the other deliveries which is unusual.

Scheduled for 13th July - 3rd day of Farnborough 2016.

RobK wrote:

Has U-turn Al has had another toys-out-of-pram tantrum? A7-BDD doesn't seem to be going anywhere and is lagging quite a bit behind the other deliveries which is unusual.

I believe they're delaying the delivery to probably coincide with a new order announcement or announcement of QR's exercise of their 787 options at Farnborough. The aircraft is ready and has a C-1 flight scheduled for next Thursday.

Ethiopian isn't afraid of longer ranges for the overweight teens. Line 12 is flying the Hong Kong route today, after debuting on mostly 3-5 hour flights its first week. I wonder if they'll fly it to Toronto or Washington.

BiggerJetsPlz wrote:

Ethiopian isn't afraid of longer ranges for the overweight teens.

Ethiopian is quite comfortable with operating near the limits of airplane performance. Their home airport requires it on a routine basis. Happy to see they're stretching this bird's legs a bit, although I expect it will spend most of its time on the shorter stuff.

Latest peek inside the assembly halls:

40-26 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

40-24 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

flightsimer wrote:

An ANA 787-9 was/is being flown today out of Moses Lake practicing the routine for Farnborough.

Boeing have posted the official video of the practice to their YouTube site: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwxGDdsI_bU

Stitch wrote:

Boeing have posted the official video of the practice to their YouTube site: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwxGDdsI_bU

Quite a nice video to watch!

Flight pattern looks similar like Farnborough 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918

I've updated the spreadsheet to reflect the firing order up to LN 600:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ingle=true

Just a couple of months now until the start of assembly for the 787-10

[quote="BiggerJetsPlz"]I wonder if Boeing is having a little celebration every time one of these old teen 787s delivers. It's like a 35 year old kid finally moving out of their parents' house.

I bet the techs at the EMC share a few beers to celebrate after all that hard work

starrion wrote:

Just a couple of months now until the start of assembly for the 787-10

Final assembly on the first -10 won't start until December

In terms of 787 orders, I expect Boeing will reveal a number of Chinese airlines that have ordered the 787 -9 but have been listed as unidentified on Boeing's order book:

30 x 787-9 for Hainan
4 x 787-9 for Xiamen
15 x 787-9 for China Eastern

These are all listed on my spreadsheets:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... go/pubhtml

Bloomberg is reporting that TUI may be increasing it's 787 order. Currently they have ordered 3 787-9s and 1 has been delivered. The reported value of the order is $1.5 billion. I think that would equate to an order of about 10 787-9s

30 x 787-9 for Hainan

That's a lot of 789's for HU - where would they deploy then all?

I do think Boeing is finally happy that they're getting rid of the "terrible teens" now that they are being rebuilt and delivered to the airlines that wanted the planes.

One question though: has anyone figured out what will be the deposition of ZA005, the fifth 787-8 built? I've heard it was supposed to be build for a business jet customer....

NYC777 wrote:

Bloomberg is reporting that TUI may be increasing it's 787 order. Currently they have ordered 3 787-9s and 1 has been delivered. The reported value of the order is $1.5 billion. I think that would equate to an order of about 10 787-9s

the bloomberg articles says 15-20x 737 + 1x 789...
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RayChuang wrote:

has anyone figured out what will be the deposition of ZA005, the fifth 787-8 built? I've heard it was supposed to be build for a business jet customer....

Boeing at one point implied strongly that LN 5 had been sold to a BBJ customer. But I believe that BBJ customer was Korean, which ended up taking LN 11 after Transaero canceled its teen order. LN 4 and LN 5 are best suited for BBJ use and will be sold as BBJs, but I don't know if either one currently has a customer.

There are two outstanding BBJ orders for the 787-8, one with GE engines and one currently without an engine choice. There are no new-build BBJ 787-8s in the firing order. But there are three BBJ 787-9s in the firing order, and only one current unfilled order, so it's possible that the unfilled 787-8 orders have been converted to 787-9.

LN4 and LN5 are listed with customer BBJ but operator TBD. Engines aren't problem, could be switched any time. Selling current ones wouldn't be a problem too with today spares need (LN4 has probably RR Trent-1000 TEN, previously package-c; LN5 GEnx-1B PIP2 engines are probably already sold)

Does anyone have more information regarding LN315, the Privatair ntu frame?
It seems that it has been on sale now for about 6 months. I would imagine that a new 787 which has basically no hours in the air should find a new operator very fast.
Is there any rumour about it? Will it become a BBJ or is there also the possibility that an airline could take it?

I'm curious as to how soon are the production slots known? The reason that I ask is that the QF (Qantas) group have 8 (I believe) x 789's on order from next year. So how soon would we see these planes in the production lists?

Thanks,

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

I'm curious as to how soon are the production slots known? The reason that I ask is that the QF (Qantas) group have 8 (I believe) x 789's on order from next year. So how soon would we see these planes in the production lists? Thanks,

The final firing list comes together approx. 12 months in advance. QF's first 789s are due H2-2017 so should start appearing on the production list within 6 months from now.
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LN15 for Air Austral emerged from 40-24 to flightline after re-work. LN18 for Ethiopian was moved inside 40-24 instead.

F-OLRB Air Austral Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 34491 / LN 15 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr