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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:11 am

LN 10 undergoing rework:

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LN 15 is now being prepared for its first flight:

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LN 17 was moved to the 40-24 building for final phase of rework (per @woody2190):

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First 787 for Uzbekistan Airways is about to roll out from final assembly.

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:30 pm

With Uzbekistan Airways 1st 788 about to roll out , I was wondering how many 787 customers
are left that have yet to receive their first Dreamliners?

I can think of a few; SQ / QF / KE / 9W / LY / AF

Am I forgetting anyone?
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:42 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
With Uzbekistan Airways 1st 788 about to roll out , I was wondering how many 787 customers
are left that have yet to receive their first Dreamliners?

I can think of a few; SQ / QF / KE / 9W / LY / AF

Am I forgetting anyone?

Also:
Aeroflot
Air Astana
Air Niugini
Air Tahiti Nui
Arik Air
Biman Bangladesh
Delta
Eva Air
Gulf Air
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:19 pm

As much as I'd love to see the 787 in DL colors, I doubt it ever happens.
I'm betting DL transfers those deposits to pick up the final 77W's off the line
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:40 pm

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I can think of a few; SQ / QF / KE / 9W / LY / AF


KE has taken delivery of a Dreamliner... just not one that they get to fly in airline service. :)
 
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Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:40 pm

seabosdca wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
I can think of a few; SQ / QF / KE / 9W / LY / AF


KE has taken delivery of a Dreamliner... just not one that they get to fly in airline service. :)



IIRC, KE's order is for all 789's. Hoping to see those at DFW in the future
 
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Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:47 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
I can think of a few; SQ / QF / KE / 9W / LY / AF

KE has taken delivery of a Dreamliner... just not one that they get to fly in airline service. :)

IIRC, KE's order is for all 789's. Hoping to see those at DFW in the future


KE passenger operations are planned to all be handled by 787-9s, however the Government of the Republic of Korea has taken delivery of a 787-8 BBJ that is operated on their behalf by KE and is listed as a delivery to KE on Boeing's O&D site.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:50 am

First 787-8 for Uzbekistan Airways rolled out from FAL:
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LN14 ET-ATK for Ethiopian returned from repaint in Victorville:
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Genx-1B engines for LN17 arrived in 40-24
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:43 am

which NZ is showing in the picture? It appears to be painted so assume it is -NZI
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:24 pm

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which NZ is showing in the picture? It appears to be painted so assume it is -NZI

That's the unpainted ZK-NZJ. ZK-NZI is at the Portland paint hangar.

According to http://nyc787.blogspot.com ZK-NZI will have a C1 flight on 20 July.

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:32 pm

817Dreamliiner wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
With Uzbekistan Airways 1st 788 about to roll out , I was wondering how many 787 customers
are left that have yet to receive their first Dreamliners?

I can think of a few; SQ / QF / KE / 9W / LY / AF

Am I forgetting anyone?

Also:
Aeroflot
Air Astana
Air Niugini
Air Tahiti Nui
Arik Air
Biman Bangladesh
Delta
Eva Air
Gulf Air


A bunch of those won't ever see the light of day.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:34 pm

817Dreamliiner wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
With Uzbekistan Airways 1st 788 about to roll out , I was wondering how many 787 customers
are left that have yet to receive their first Dreamliners?

I can think of a few; SQ / QF / KE / 9W / LY / AF

Am I forgetting anyone?

Also:
Aeroflot
Air Astana
Air Niugini
Air Tahiti Nui
Arik Air
Biman Bangladesh
Delta
Eva Air
Gulf Air


I believe Aeroflot cancelled their 787 order and I doubt we will ever see a 787 in Arik Air colors.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:48 pm

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I believe Aeroflot cancelled their 787 order

The order is still listed.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:53 pm

Who knows what is up with Aeroflot. They stated June of last year that they were cancelling the 787 order, then last November they converted some of the 788s that they were supposedly cancelling to 789s.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:06 pm

817Dreamliiner wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
I believe Aeroflot cancelled their 787 order

The order is still listed.


Works for me! I want to see that beautiful livery on a 787.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:05 am

817Dreamliiner wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
I believe Aeroflot cancelled their 787 order

The order is still listed.

well they need to get their hands on one to copy.. :mrgreen:
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:59 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
which NZ is showing in the picture? It appears to be painted so assume it is -NZI

ZB008 ZK-NZJ

ZB007 ZK-NZI just finished painting in PDX:
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:32 am

piotrg wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:
which NZ is showing in the picture? It appears to be painted so assume it is -NZI

ZB008 ZK-NZJ

ZB007 ZK-NZI just finished painting in PDX:
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https://twitter.com/Sabian404/status/754155926920187905


Absolutely one of the best looking planes in the sky.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:38 am

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:57 am

KarelXWB wrote:
LN 17 is having its engines installed.



Royal Air Maroc are in need of a serious livery change. The current one needs a serious makeover.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:56 pm

That aircraft isn't destined for Royal Air Maroc and the livery will be painted over. (Although their livery hasn't changed since it was painted, except for a slight change to the typeface.)
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:38 pm

Note that ZA672 is incorrectly listed on the internet as N787AV. It will in fact be N791AV.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:27 am

LN450, Norwegian's 3rd 787-9 and 11 787 in total is scheduled for delivered CHS-LGW today. Registration G-CIXO, for their first 787 in UK register
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:37 pm

Someone83 are you the same "Someone" that posts on a Norwegian aviation forum?
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:36 pm

Boeing written off LN4 and LN5. They won't be re-worked and sold, both will be scrapped.
CHICAGO, July 21, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] announced today it will recognize an impact to earnings across three programs when it announces second-quarter 2016 results on July 27.

On the 787 program, the company decided not to invest funds for the refurbishment and sale of the two remaining unsold flight test aircraft that were scheduled to be introduced into the modification line. These two aircraft were produced in 2009 and have been used extensively for flight and ground testing, with both airplanes achieving more than 6,700 flight and ground testing hours combined. Costs associated with these aircraft were reclassified from 787 program inventory to research and development expense resulting in a non-cash after-tax charge of $847 million ($1.33 per share).

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Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:57 pm

scrapped? what a waste they could put them in museums like Manchester Runway Viewing Park
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:08 pm

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Boeing written off LN4 and LN5. They won't be re-worked and sold, both will be scrapped.


Source please?
 
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:27 pm

RobK wrote:
piotrg wrote:
Boeing written off LN4 and LN5. They won't be re-worked and sold, both will be scrapped.


Source please?


It's right there on Boeing's site. Sad end to line 4 and 5, and that brings the total casualty rate to 5 scrapped frames, which I believe is easily a record for any new passenger jet program from Boeing. It's funny how they try to spin that as a good sign, but I guess no use chasing bad money with good.

At least the teens are all getting to fly. Line 13 just went up for a first flight.

I wonder if Boeing is driven by the pride of "getting everything flying at least once". I'd guess it would have been cheaper to scrap the teens than get them flying, but they did it anyway. However, lines 1-5, all having already flown, were written off and retired.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:33 pm

RobK wrote:
piotrg wrote:
Boeing written off LN4 and LN5. They won't be re-worked and sold, both will be scrapped.


Source please?

My mistake. It looks like LN4 will be donated and LN5 scrapped. LN5 is heavly stripped after part of re-work back in 2013.
https://twitter.com/man0lero/status/756243802654908416
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I wonder if Boeing is driven by the pride of "getting everything flying at least once". I'd guess it would have been cheaper to scrap the teens than get them flying, but they did it anyway. However, lines 1-5, all having already flown, were written off and retired.

They probably were not able to find customers willing to pay more than re-work cost, so it's logical business decision.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:55 pm

BiggerJetsPlz wrote:
RobK wrote:
piotrg wrote:
Boeing written off LN4 and LN5. They won't be re-worked and sold, both will be scrapped.


Source please?


It's right there on Boeing's site. Sad end to line 4 and 5, and that brings the total casualty rate to 5 scrapped frames, which I believe is easily a record for any new passenger jet program from Boeing. It's funny how they try to spin that as a good sign, but I guess no use chasing bad money with good.

At least the teens are all getting to fly. Line 13 just went up for a first flight.

I wonder if Boeing is driven by the pride of "getting everything flying at least once". I'd guess it would have been cheaper to scrap the teens than get them flying, but they did it anyway. However, lines 1-5, all having already flown, were written off and retired.


Again, I ask where on that link does it state that lns 4 and 5 will be scrapped? Are we looking at different links?
 
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Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:56 pm

Hex code for ZD005 suggests it could be receiving the registration ET-ATJ for what it's worth.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:57 pm

RobK wrote:
Hex code for ZD005 suggests it could be receiving the registration ET-ATJ for what it's worth.

ZD005 is LN13 (originally ZA502 JA806A for ANA) not LN5 ZA005 N787FT.
RobK wrote:
Again, I ask where on that link does it state that lns 4 and 5 will be scrapped? Are we looking at different links?

I got that info from certain guy from KPAE, but it was corrected fast enough.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:14 pm

This move with LN 4 and LN 5 strikes me as an accounting move more than anything else. It's a way to take a charge for a not-totally-trivial portion of the deferred production costs (almost $1B!) without quite admitting that that's what they're doing. Sale price probably would not have been that much more than refurbishment cost, especially for LN 4, and this may be a better way to deal with their impact on the financial statements.

LN 5 is surely doomed to the scrapper -- it's not useful at all without at least some rework. But I don't see why Boeing wouldn't retain LN 4 as a R&D and test aircraft, Airbus-style. It's flyable today, and it's already proven useful for testing and probably would again.

The 787 is the worst program yet, but all new programs are struggling with early builds much more than in the past. Airbus retained the first A380 on purpose, couldn't sell two other early build frames, and had to rework a fourth frame almost totally for Emirates. Similarly, Airbus is retaining two early build A350s and has not found customers for two more. BBD does not yet have customers for any of the first five CS100s. Airlines have become very leery of test frames.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:24 pm

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LN 5 is surely doomed to the scrapper -- it's not useful at all without at least some rework. But I don't see why Boeing wouldn't retain LN 4 as a R&D and test aircraft, Airbus-style. It's flyable today, and it's already proven useful for testing and probably would again.

I'm pretty sure that she is stripped to point of no return without completing re-work. She underwent 3-4 months of stripping back in 2013 (October 2013 - January 2014) when they started her re-work for Korean Air.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:26 pm

piotrg wrote:
RobK wrote:
Hex code for ZD005 suggests it could be receiving the registration ET-ATJ for what it's worth.

ZD005 is LN13 (originally ZA502 JA806A for ANA) not LN5 ZA005 N787FT.


I am fully aware of that. You made mention of it being ln 5, not me.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:04 am

New thread to discuss the charges and allow this thread to concentrate on Production and Delivery: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1338543
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:00 am

seabosdca wrote:
The 787 is the worst program yet, but all new programs are struggling with early builds much more than in the past. Airbus retained the first A380 on purpose, couldn't sell two other early build frames, and had to rework a fourth frame almost totally for Emirates. Similarly, Airbus is retaining two early build A350s and has not found customers for two more.


Airbus are keeping the first A350 on purpose, just as they did with the A330/A340/A380. MSN 3 is planned to join the Aeroscopia museum and MSN 5 has been sold. That leaves only MSN 2 and 4 to be sold.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:06 am

LN 15 had a weight check in the PAE paint hangar.

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Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:15 am

Parts arrive next week for the first Air France (AerCap) B789. It will be the 500th 787 by line number.

Any idea what the registration range will be?

500 ZB246 38769 F- 787-9 ILF AerCap Air France GE GEnx-1B

Another milestone, is the last of the current BA B789 order, G-ZBKP. Both will be delivered in November.

493 ZB377 38632 G-ZBKP 787-9 BAB British Airways British Airways RR Trent 1000

Source: nyc787.blogspot.com
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Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:18 am

500 already! Still feels like yesterday we were waiting for that forever delayed first flight. Congratulations to Boeing and the 787.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:58 pm

Any idea why BA are taking their 789s so out of sequence? G-ZBKG is stored until the end of September and G-ZBKH was also stored for some months before delivery.

If it is because of Zodiac, how have they managed to put seats in the subsequent deliveries, including G-ZBKM this week without issue?

396 ZB368 38623 G-ZBKG 787-9 BAB British Airways British Airways RR Trent 1000 Production Testing Everett Flightline Stall 110 11/25/2015 12/22/2015 2/5/2016 9/30/2016

461 ZB374 38629 G-ZBKM 787-9 BAB British Airways British Airways RR Trent 1000 Ready for Delivery Everett Flightline Stall 103 5/31/2016 6/21/2016 7/14/2016 7/29/2016

Source: nyc787.blogspot.co.uk
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:13 pm

uta999 wrote:
Any idea why BA are taking their 789s so out of sequence? G-ZBKG is stored until the end of September and G-ZBKH was also stored for some months before delivery.

If it is because of Zodiac, how have they managed to put seats in the subsequent deliveries, including G-ZBKM this week without issue?

396 ZB368 38623 G-ZBKG 787-9 BAB British Airways British Airways RR Trent 1000 Production Testing Everett Flightline Stall 110 11/25/2015 12/22/2015 2/5/2016 9/30/2016

461 ZB374 38629 G-ZBKM 787-9 BAB British Airways British Airways RR Trent 1000 Ready for Delivery Everett Flightline Stall 103 5/31/2016 6/21/2016 7/14/2016 7/29/2016

Source: nyc787.blogspot.co.uk

They are probably taking seats that were intended for the earlier aircraft (because they did not yet have all the seats necessary to finish that plane) and putting them on the later aircraft (with whatever seats delivered intended for that frame, giving a complete set), delaying the first aircraft.
 
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Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:00 pm

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500 already! Still feels like yesterday we were waiting for that forever delayed first flight. Congratulations to Boeing and the 787.


What an achievement, getting near to 500 frames sold without having made a profit on a frame. We will soon see in the next earning call for Q2 if the deferrals of production cost will continue or if Boeing got the curve to selling single 787 without a loss, meaning production break even.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:38 pm

uta999 wrote:
Any idea why BA are taking their 789s so out of sequence? G-ZBKG is stored until the end of September and G-ZBKH was also stored for some months before delivery.

If it is because of Zodiac, how have they managed to put seats in the subsequent deliveries, including G-ZBKM this week without issue?

396 ZB368 38623 G-ZBKG 787-9 BAB British Airways British Airways RR Trent 1000 Production Testing Everett Flightline Stall 110 11/25/2015 12/22/2015 2/5/2016 9/30/2016

461 ZB374 38629 G-ZBKM 787-9 BAB British Airways British Airways RR Trent 1000 Ready for Delivery Everett Flightline Stall 103 5/31/2016 6/21/2016 7/14/2016 7/29/2016

Source: nyc787.blogspot.co.uk


I guess it is just easier to install seats into a frame that just rolled out instead of getting one out of storage that has been sealed up and needs to have functional test flights to prove it is ready for delivery. And after that you would still have to store a new aircraft because you would still not have enough seats. So this would end up with a shuffle of aircraft in storage. It seems to be easier to just store one frame, or in this case two, and wait until enough seats are manufactured...
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:22 am

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At least the teens are all getting to fly. Line 13 just went up for a first flight.


Planes At Paine filmed the first flight of LN 13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyuWlLCYsYA
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:40 pm

boefan wrote:
BiggerJetsPlz wrote:
At least the teens are all getting to fly. Line 13 just went up for a first flight.


Planes At Paine filmed the first flight of LN 13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyuWlLCYsYA


Around 1:59 there are puffs of black "smoke" coming from the landing gear. Anyone know what that was?
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:18 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
boefan wrote:
BiggerJetsPlz wrote:


Planes At Paine filmed the first flight of LN 13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyuWlLCYsYA


Around 1:59 there are puffs of black "smoke" coming from the landing gear. Anyone know what that was?


My guess is brake dust as the wheels are stopped prior to retraction. Likely the first time the wheels have been stopped at full speed since this is first flight.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:00 pm

Pretty sure that's brake dust.
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Re: Boeing 787-9 news

Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:39 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
a320fan wrote:
500 already! Still feels like yesterday we were waiting for that forever delayed first flight. Congratulations to Boeing and the 787.


What an achievement, getting near to 500 frames sold without having made a profit on a frame. We will soon see in the next earning call for Q2 if the deferrals of production cost will continue or if Boeing got the curve to selling single 787 without a loss, meaning production break even.


You'd think in a simple production/delivery thread that you'd be able to control yourself enough to skip the sarcasm and negativity. Yes, 500 frames DELIVERED is an achievement. I believe the "sold" number is well over 1100, but perhaps it doesn't suit your point.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 48

Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:48 am

AeroMexico will have a special livery on their first 787-9:

ImageXA-ADL Aeroméxico Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 43859 / LN 483 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

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https://twitter.com/PlanesAtPaine/statu ... 5178148864




Looks pretty damn amazing...!
SmithNL

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