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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Tue May 02, 2017 3:43 pm

What is the current lead time for part deliveries etc?

I'm wondering when there might be some movement on the first QF delivery.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Tue May 02, 2017 7:33 pm

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu May 04, 2017 12:26 pm

The second 787-10 will be ferried to BFI today.

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/859991558409474048
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu May 04, 2017 1:18 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
The second 787-10 will be ferried to BFI today.

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/859991558409474048

on the way:

https://fr24.com/BOE036/d46fdb1
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu May 04, 2017 9:22 pm

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 05, 2017 6:35 pm

LN719 is for Air Tanzania, LN 19 is going to a company called "Residence II LTD" which I suspect is a shell company for the real customer.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 05, 2017 6:42 pm

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Sure enough. Beautiful. And I promise not to make an idiot of myself trying to tell you it's not the 2nd Dash 10.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 05, 2017 7:49 pm

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Even Boeing's gone Eurowhite ;)
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 05, 2017 9:12 pm

The next batch of B788s for BA will start with line number 609

Anyone know what the G- registration range will be yet?
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 07, 2017 9:24 am

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 07, 2017 10:49 am

A short clip of LN 143 (VIP 787) on the inside:

http://www.express.co.uk/travel/article ... rivate-jet
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 07, 2017 1:18 pm

uta999 wrote:
The next batch of B788s for BA will start with line number 609

Anyone know what the G- registration range will be yet?
. Probably will continue off of the G-ZBJx range.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 07, 2017 9:05 pm

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LN 10 first flight:


Initially rolled our in December 2009, first flight 7.5 years later.

And now line 19 is the last terrible teen yet to fly.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sat May 13, 2017 5:00 pm

C/N 564 for TUI Airlines UK (Thomson Airways) B787 11,B789 2
https://m.planespotters.net/photo/76147 ... dreamliner
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Wed May 17, 2017 10:40 am

Current state of LN 5 as seen on May 16:

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Wed May 17, 2017 2:36 pm

Any opinions what the timetable might be for getting FAA approval for EDTO>180 for the 787/RR TEN combination?
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu May 18, 2017 7:17 pm

Just saw this. FAA orders a 10 miles seperation behind and in front of the 787-10. The seperation behind of the A380 is "just" 7 miles. What's wrong there?

https://twitter.com/NYCAviation/status/ ... 3512766464

from 2010: http://www.seattletimes.com/business/bo ... and-747-8/
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu May 18, 2017 7:31 pm

Ronaldo747 wrote:
Just saw this. FAA orders a 10 miles seperation behind and in front of the 787-10. The seperation behind of the A380 is "just" 7 miles. What's wrong there?

Probably nothing. Just the FAA being cautious until they have more accurate wake data from the jet as a result of flight testing.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu May 18, 2017 10:51 pm

Maybe even at the request of Boeing to get more accurate flight test data. Or maybe just bureaucratic CYA.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu May 18, 2017 11:32 pm

Ronaldo747 wrote:
Just saw this. FAA orders a 10 miles seperation behind and in front of the 787-10. The seperation behind of the A380 is "just" 7 miles. What's wrong there?

https://twitter.com/NYCAviation/status/ ... 3512766464

from 2010: http://www.seattletimes.com/business/bo ... and-747-8/



The date on the article is 2010.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 2:54 pm

NG263 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
LN 19 (Air Tanzania) with missing engines has been towed to te flight line:

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5H- Air Tanzania Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 35508 / LN 19 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr



This also means that there are no more Terrible Teens left, all finished rework, finally after the first 787 has been delivered almost 6 years ago.


Hey all

Does anyone have idea when this frame (LN19) will be delivered to Air Tanzania? Further, are there any photos of it in the TC livery?

Thanks
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 3:07 pm


Hey all

Does anyone have idea when this frame (LN19) will be delivered to Air Tanzania? Further, are there any photos of it in the TC livery?

Thanks
The Lion


Newest information about this frame says that it won`t go to Air Tanzania. They will instead receive LN719. LN19 seems to become a BBJ.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 5:52 pm

a little off topic.

just curious, if Boeing doesnt get a new order for the 787-8/9/10. At the rate they are building them, how long would it take them to deliver all the frames?
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 6:01 pm

xxcr wrote:
a little off topic.

just curious, if Boeing doesnt get a new order for the 787-8/9/10. At the rate they are building them, how long would it take them to deliver all the frames?


As of the end of April, Boeing had 672 unfilled orders for the 787 family. At the current 12 per month rate, that is 56 months worth of production - so enough to take them to the end of 2022.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 6:07 pm

Stitch wrote:
xxcr wrote:
a little off topic.

just curious, if Boeing doesnt get a new order for the 787-8/9/10. At the rate they are building them, how long would it take them to deliver all the frames?


As of the end of April, Boeing had 672 unfilled orders for the 787 family. At the current 12 per month rate, that is 56 months worth of production - so enough to take them to the end of 2022.


the 56 months is if they font get any new orders, still not bad at all.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 8:03 pm

LN 18 has been delivered.

Boeing 787 -8 34487 18 ET-ATI Ethiopian Airlines delivery 26may17 PAE-ADD ex N845KH
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 10:15 pm

Boeing found a buyer for LN 5:

I just got word that LN5 has been sold to a scrap company. The new owner is looking where it can be stored it until it can be torn apart.


https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 8420558852
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 10:29 pm

Damn, shame to see a 787 become scrap.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 10:29 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Boeing found a buyer for LN 5:

I just got word that LN5 has been sold to a scrap company. The new owner is looking where it can be stored it until it can be torn apart.


https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 8420558852


It should be a good test case for recycling a significantly CFRP airframe.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 11:03 pm

If Boeing sell this aircraft at scrap value there could be a loss on sale due to the difference between scrap and book values. If I remember correctly Boeing recorded 787 specific losses when it was decided the first three 787's could not be sold. At the time these aircraft were valued at cost + all if the re-work making them very expensive aircraft.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 11:42 pm

NG263 wrote:

Hey all

Does anyone have idea when this frame (LN19) will be delivered to Air Tanzania? Further, are there any photos of it in the TC livery?

Thanks
The Lion


Newest information about this frame says that it won`t go to Air Tanzania. They will instead receive LN719. LN19 seems to become a BBJ.


Ok thank you. I tried Allthings 787 to get some info on this frame but it was inaccessible. Could anyone advise when LN719 might be built? TC's original 787 was intended for delivery in June.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Fri May 26, 2017 11:56 pm

travelhound wrote:
If Boeing sell this aircraft at scrap value there could be a loss on sale due to the difference between scrap and book values


LN004 and LN005 were written off on July 21, 2016 via a charge of $847 million to 2Q 2016 earnings on account of their being reclassified as a research-and-development expense and removed from 787 program inventory (as was done with LN001-LN003).
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sat May 27, 2017 2:29 am

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Could anyone advise when LN719 might be built? TC's original 787 was intended for delivery in June.

According to the https://nyc787.blogspot.com spreadsheet L/N 719 will be delivered 25 June 2018.

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sat May 27, 2017 4:51 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Boeing found a buyer for LN 5:

I just got word that LN5 has been sold to a scrap company. The new owner is looking where it can be stored it until it can be torn apart.


https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 8420558852


Sad outcome. Line 5 was in the process of a complete overhaul, and was on the way to a long life as a BBJ, but then the numbers get in the way and now she gets the axe. And it's not even due to a sane reason like costing too much to complete rework, but simply a financial slight of hand to superficially make the program look better off than it really is.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sat May 27, 2017 6:53 pm

A question to he ones who may know:

How about Boeing writes off the terrible teens (until LN19) with the real loss they had as part of an initiative to reduce the deferred cost. Could this be better then the tipple steps each quarter now provides? Is that even possible separately?

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sat May 27, 2017 7:22 pm

Flyglobal wrote:
How about Boeing writes off the terrible teens (until LN19) with the real loss they had as part of an initiative to reduce the deferred cost. Could this be better then the tipple steps each quarter now provides? Is that even possible separately?


I am not sure they can under Program Accounting rules. Boeing's hand was forced with the write-downs for LN001 through LN005 due to their inability to be sold due to Program Accounting rules. They had to be moved to R&D and those expenses have to be booked in the quarter they are expended.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 28, 2017 12:36 am

BiggerJetsPlz wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Boeing found a buyer for LN 5:

I just got word that LN5 has been sold to a scrap company. The new owner is looking where it can be stored it until it can be torn apart.


https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 8420558852


Sad outcome. Line 5 was in the process of a complete overhaul, and was on the way to a long life as a BBJ, but then the numbers get in the way and now she gets the axe. And it's not even due to a sane reason like costing too much to complete rework, but simply a financial slight of hand to superficially make the program look better off than it really is.


Agree that Boeing should have more respect for their products than to junk a perfectly suitable BBJ frame or at least donate it to a museum. I do hope heads rolled in a program that resulted in the first 5 787's not entering service---a colossal failure in every way and a needless waste of assets
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 28, 2017 1:59 am

I thinks the heads to roll have already rolled.

In the scheme of things this isn't much. Just think of all the barrels that have been scraped because they failed testing, were part of the barrel manufacturing validation process or simply became redundant when new specifications were adopted.

As such, the cost of this frame probably relates to the labour man hours to assemble, modify, test and certify,not the actual parts themselves.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 28, 2017 6:19 am

How will the sale of a test frame for scrap be reflected in Boeing reporting? Will it be reported as the sale of a 787 frame?
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 28, 2017 10:41 am

Firing order updated to LN720

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=2

First frame for China Eastern will be LN702. We also see the introduction of the ZE variable number for some frames.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 28, 2017 2:15 pm

BiggerJetsPlz wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Boeing found a buyer for LN 5:

I just got word that LN5 has been sold to a scrap company. The new owner is looking where it can be stored it until it can be torn apart.


https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 8420558852


Sad outcome. Line 5 was in the process of a complete overhaul, and was on the way to a long life as a BBJ, but then the numbers get in the way and now she gets the axe. And it's not even due to a sane reason like costing too much to complete rework, but simply a financial slight of hand to superficially make the program look better off than it really is.


How do you know it is not for a sane reason like costing to much to complete rework? How does it benefit Boeing married to program accounting to write off $800+ million and lower deferred cost early because they could not sell LN4 and 5. It has a bad influence on profits and bonuses now, rather than the preferred later.
Boeing I assume had to give up trying to sell those two frames, wrote them off and now the news are only about that they managed to sell LN5 for scrap.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 28, 2017 4:06 pm

PA515 wrote:
TheLion wrote:
Could anyone advise when LN719 might be built? TC's original 787 was intended for delivery in June.

According to the https://nyc787.blogspot.com spreadsheet L/N 719 will be delivered 25 June 2018.

PA515


Ok thanks for the info. I'd add that a delivery date a year after the original intended date of June 2017 is slightly odd considering the order was only placed in autumn last year.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 28, 2017 5:45 pm

seabosdca wrote:
How will the sale of a test frame for scrap be reflected in Boeing reporting? Will it be reported as the sale of a 787 frame?


It cannot be, since the airframe is part of the R&D "fleet" so it's effectively considered a non-saleable prototype. Boeing will report revenue from the sale, but it won't be booked against the deferred cost. I'm guessing it will be booked as a one-time special event.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Sun May 28, 2017 6:06 pm

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I'd add that a delivery date a year after the original intended date of June 2017 is slightly odd considering the order was only placed in autumn last year.

Not at all odd as there was no original intended date of June 2017. It was correctly reported in Tanzania as a June 2018 delivery, but incorrectly reported elsewhere as June 2017 and assumed to be L/N19. I don't know how it all started, but it got repeated by some usually accurate sources. A google search will confirm.

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Mon May 29, 2017 8:31 am

Hainan Airlines‏ LN 562 got its Panda decals applied, see https://twitter.com/HainanAirlines/stat ... 4344458245

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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:47 pm

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Here's an even better close-up shot:

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/woodysaer ... 411800391/

Is the tail skid default on the 787-10, or was this just a precaution in case the pilots pulled too hard on the yoke during the first flight?
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:51 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
817Dreamliiner wrote:


Here's an even better close-up shot:

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/woodysaer ... 411800391/

Is the tail skid default on the 787-10, or was this just a precaution in case the pilots pulled too hard on the yoke during the first flight?


Well they still have to do tail strike testing on the aircraft, plus I imagine it helps calibrate the electronic tail skid.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:56 pm

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Well they still have to do tail strike testing on the aircraft


True, though that usually happens at a much later date. The tail skid is usually installed just before tail strike testing begins.
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:03 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Well they still have to do tail strike testing on the aircraft


True, though that usually happens at a much later date. The tail skid is usually installed just before tail strike testing begins.


Most likely a case of being safe then sorry, don't want to do what Airbus did on the A321neo.
 
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Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:51 pm

KarelXWB wrote:

Here's an even better close-up shot:

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/woodysaer ... 411800391/

Is the tail skid default on the 787-10, or was this just a precaution in case the pilots pulled too hard on the yoke during the first flight?

It was added on after, probably as a precaution or just in case the electronic tailskid doesn't work correctly.
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