Icelandair Annouces KEF-ABZ

IADCA · Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:22 pm

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 37):
PDX does not have the 100 degree weather during the summer that will affect range/payload vs DFW.

Nor does it have four runways over 13,000 feet in length. Unless someone can show me something concrete that they would be, I don't think a 757 would be restricted even at those temps off a runway that long. AA and CO 757s used to do deep South America routes from IAH and MIA, which are also very long routes on very hot days. Also, the flight wouldn't leave in the middle of the day. The PDX, DEN, and SEA flights (as do most of the NA routes) arrive in KEF between 6 and 7 a.m. That means that they leave around the same time: PDX at 15:40 Pacific, DEN at 17:20 Mountain, SEA at 16:30 Pacific, which means a DFW flight would leave sometime between 17:40 and 18:30 Central. It's a couple ticks cooler by then - still often in the low 90s, but not often still 100.

frostyj · Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:04 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 44):

Why would anyone in the UK choose to fly via KEF over DUB? There are for more airlines from Dublin, a greater selection of destinations AND bigger aircraft/preclearnace.

To me going to Iceland is a detour.

[Edited 2015-08-18 08:06:14]

LumpiLump · Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:31 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 49):

yes you are right, my mistake, it was long ago. I just remember origin airport was RKV (Reykjavik city).
thx

normie999 · Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:35 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 51):

Why would anyone in the UK choose to fly via KEF over DUB? There are for more airlines from Dublin, a greater selection of destinations AND bigger aircraft/preclearnace.

To me going to Iceland is a detour.

Well here are a few reasons:

If I lived in or near Glasgow, or Manchester, or Birmingham or Aberdeen and wanted to go to Anchorage, or Seattle, or Portland, or Vancouver, or Minneapolis, or Halifax, I could do it all on one airline via KEF.

If I wanted to fly from Heathrow or Gatwick to Anchorage, or Portland or Minneapolis I might also want to do it via KEF to avoid changing at a US airport.

Even if I could fly direct from my UK airport to any FI destination, I might well choose to fly via KEF to avail myself of FI's stopover deals.

For the handful of FI destinations that overlap with EI's network from DUB, sure, I could do either...

ridgid727 · Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:53 pm

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 37):
PDX does not have the 100 degree weather during the summer that will affect range/payload vs DFW.

It is forecast to be 99 at PDX today

PlymSpotter · Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:57 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 51):
To me going to Iceland is a detour.

There isn't much in it. Take a ABZ-JFK trip - flying via KEF is around 60 miles shorter. I certainly wouldn't call it a detour, that's for sure.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 51):
here are for more airlines from Dublin, a greater selection of destinations AND bigger aircraft/preclearnace.

Not true. IIRC both KEF and DUB offer about 15 destinations each to North America, however at KEF these are all offered by FI which, practically speaking, means there are more connections than DUB. Plus many of the flights from DUB are offered on single aisle aircraft, just like FI, and if you are connecting from the UK regions then you are highly likely to start your trip on a regional turboprop anyway.

Dan

frostyj · Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting normie999 (Reply 53):

You can fly to Halifax or St Johns from Dublin.

That's your opinion and you are perfectly alright in having that opinion but I personally would not choose that route.Although Iceland is further west (only 500 miles closer) it's a bit out of the way of the typical transatlantic route so by the time you went there you'd probably end up adding on 2 hours to your journey.

You also have to remember that you can go through immigration in Dublin, something that is not available at KEF. Having done the pre clearance route I would not be bothered doing immigration on the other side ever again.

frostyj · Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:04 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 55):

Except that you forget that you have to get off the plane and change to another plane which is obviously going to take at least an hour.

I count 17 transatlantic destinations with more to come and higher frequencies.

PlymSpotter · Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:11 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 57):
Except that you forget that you have to get off the plane and change to another plane which is obviously going to take at least an hour.

Yes, because when flying to North America from the UK via DUB you can levitate between aircraft instantaneously....

Quoting frostyj (Reply 57):
I count 17 transatlantic destinations with more to come and higher frequencies.

You think the same doesn't apply to KEF?

Dan

GCT64 · Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:13 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 51):

Why would anyone in the UK choose to fly via KEF over DUB?

Random date picked: 22 Sep 15, one way GLA-BOS:

FI GLA-KEF-BOS, elapsed time 9H30m, price GBP 369 (cheapest AND fastest one stop option)
EI GLA-DUB-BOS, elapsed time 10h25m, price GBP 479-489

no other one stop options under GBP 700 or under 10h30m

and, anyway, my main point was not that KEF is better or worse than DUB but that the combination of them means:

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 44):
The days of backtracking to AMS, FRA or CDG to travel UK-US/Canada must be doomed.

normie999 · Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:23 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 56):
You can fly to Halifax or St Johns from Dublin.

Sure you can - but not on the same airline (and I doubt on the same ticket). You're right about the pre-clearance though - plus KEF is bursting at the seams this summer which must detract from the otherwise excellent Small Airport travel experience previously offered. Let's hope they expand facilities in time for 2016.

Someone83 · Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 51):

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 44):

Why would anyone in the UK choose to fly via KEF over DUB? There are for more airlines from Dublin, a greater selection of destinations AND bigger aircraft/preclearnace.

To me going to Iceland is a detour.

[Edited 2015-08-18 08:06:14]

Looking at FI's destinations and frequencies to the UK, apparently quite a few actually fly via KEF from the UK

mjoelnir · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 51):
Why would anyone in the UK choose to fly via KEF over DUB? There are for more airlines from Dublin, a greater selection of destinations AND bigger aircraft/preclearnace.

To me going to Iceland is a detour.

Than you should have a look a the great circle mapper.

Natflyer · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 49):

Oh yes they did. 3 of them at one time (banged one up in turbulence), not sure if it was repaired.
TF-JMK, TF-JME and TF -JML. Horrible things.
Look it up.

mjoelnir · Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:59 pm

Quoting normie999 (Reply 60):
Sure you can - but not on the same airline (and I doubt on the same ticket). You're right about the pre-clearance though - plus KEF is bursting at the seams this summer which must detract from the otherwise excellent Small Airport travel experience previously offered. Let's hope they expand facilities in time for 2016.

KEF is expanding, but the increase in pax numbers is enormous.
2011 on 2010 19.8%
2012 on 2011 11.7%
2013 on 2012 16.1%
2014 on 2013 20.5%
and in 2015 including July 23.9%

SCQ83 · Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:24 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 64):

I was looking at KEF's website and it is really impressive... 4 flights to Boston (WOW and FI) and 4 to NYC area (Delta and FI) today... and pretty much daily flights to every major city in Europe and North America. For a country of 300,000.

Has anyone counted the number of available seats for places like BOS or NYC? I wouldn't be surprised that KEF-BOS and KEF-NYC combined amount to more seats that population has Iceland.

frostyj · Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:14 pm

Dublin has 7 flights a day to New York.

mjoelnir · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 66):
Dublin has 7 flights a day to New York.

But KEF has more destinations in North America.

frostyj · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:58 pm

It actually doesn't.

IADCA · Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:10 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 68):
It actually doesn't.

DUB: BOS, ORD, JFK, MCO, SFO, IAD, YUL, LAX (are there even traffic rights on this sector?), CUN, MBJ, EWR. PHL, CLT, YYT. That counts seasonals, things announced for next summer, one route with possibly no local traffic, and counts the Caribbean as being North America. 15 total.

Using the same metrics for KEF, you get GOH, JFK, BOS, ORD, DEN, YEG, EWR, SEA, IAD, ANC, YHZ, MSP, MCO/SFB (one replaces the other next month), PDX, YVR, BWI. 17.

[Edited 2015-08-18 16:11:25]

styles9002 · Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:52 pm

Quoting IADCA (Reply 69):
LAX (are there even traffic rights on this sector?)

Yes, ET has authority to pick-up and drop-off pax between LAX and DUB.

Also, Europe Airpost (5O) operates a weekly CDG-DUB-YHZ flight with a B737 as well during the summer and they sell seats YHZ-DUB-YHZ as well I believe.

So, despite that is still seems KEF offers more non-stop North American destinations that DUB at the moment.

[Edited 2015-08-18 17:00:47]

Viscount724 · Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:57 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 51):
Quoting GCT64 (Reply 44):

Why would anyone in the UK choose to fly via KEF over DUB? There are for more airlines from Dublin, a greater selection of destinations AND bigger aircraft/preclearnace.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 67):
Quoting frostyj (Reply 66):
Dublin has 7 flights a day to New York.

But KEF has more destinations in North America.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 68):
It actually doesn't.

Yes it does. Unless I missed something, including seasonal routes, DUB currently has 13 nonstop North American (Canada/U.S.) destinations, while KEF has 15 (actually 14 now but 15 starting March 2016 when FI begins service to ORD).

PlymSpotter · Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:00 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 71):
Yes it does. Unless I missed something, including seasonal routes, DUB currently has 13 nonstop North American (Canada/U.S.) destinations, while KEF has 15 (actually 14 now but 15 starting March 2016 when FI begins service to ORD).

More to the point when discussing one stop UK to North America options, EI offer 7 destinations via DUB whilst FI offer 14 via KEF.

Dan

JetBuddy · Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:24 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 35):
If KEF-ABZ works well, we could see more destinations added both in Scotland and Norway. And there should be no problem to add a few more of the Q400.

They already fly to Oslo, Bergen and Trondheim with the 757 right? What other destinations do you see them adding? Tromsø or Bodø? I see Stavanger on their route map, but I believe that's a codeshare with SAS.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 40):
The Q400 is a quiet frame, active noise suppression, and is quite a bit faster than a ATR, hardly less comfortable than a CRJ.

Yep, it's one of the fastest turboprops out there. The SAAB 2000 is slightly faster, but has only about 800nm range and is a bit smaller. On short sectors the Q400 is as fast as any CRJ or ERJ.

Someone83 · Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:34 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 73):
They already fly to Oslo, Bergen and Trondheim with the 757 right? What other destinations do you see them adding? Tromsø or Bodø? I see Stavanger on their route map, but I believe that's a codeshare with SAS.

Trondheim and Stavanger are both flown in a triangle route together with Bergen. I.e. it varies between KEF-BGO-TRD-KEF and KEF-BGO-SVG-KEF.

However it is not flown daily and not sure if it is seasonal or not

GCT64 · Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:35 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 73):
What other destinations do you see them adding?

I'm surprised EDI hasn't been added by FI so far - lots of traffic to and from the US / Canada. As mentioned above INV would be an interesting one, they would pretty much have the TATL market to themselves out of and into INV. Could be good for US tourists heading to the Highlands / Loch Ness / Western Isles etc.

normie999 · Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:35 am

Sta

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 73):
I see Stavanger on their route map, but I believe that's a codeshare with SAS.

Stavanger and Trondheim are served as triangle routes with Bergen I believe.

mjoelnir · Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:08 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 73):
They already fly to Oslo, Bergen and Trondheim with the 757 right? What other destinations do you see them adding? Tromsø or Bodø? I see Stavanger on their route map, but I believe that's a codeshare with SAS.

Oslo is the year round, in summer two flights, enough Passengers for the 757.

Bergen is part of a triangle. KEF - BGO - SVG - KEF or KEF - BGO - TRD - KEF alternating and that is only during the summer.

I imagine more direct flights, perhaps daily and perhaps the year round, and if that goes well, it could change to a 737-800 when they start arriving at Icelandair.

mjoelnir · Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:15 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 75):
I'm surprised EDI hasn't been added by FI so far - lots of traffic to and from the US / Canada

Icelandair is flying KEF-GLA-KEF and Easyjet does EDI-KEF-EDI. GLA serves nearly the same market as EDI.

nighthawk · Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:23 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 78):
Icelandair is flying KEF-GLA-KEF and Easyjet does EDI-KEF-EDI. GLA serves nearly the same market as EDI.

No it doesn't. It's been demonstrated time and again that GLA and EDI are two different markets.

EDI is well enough connected, with 4 daily flights to the US, as well as connections to all the major European hubs - FRA/CDG/AMS/DUB/LHR. Compared to Glasgow, which has fewer European hub connections, and fewer transatlantic flights. It will be difficult for Icelandair to enter this market, although if they're going to start using Dash8s, then it might be worth a shot.

mjoelnir · Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 79):
No it doesn't. It's been demonstrated time and again that GLA and EDI are two different markets.

Than do the demonstration. They are 50 minutes apart by car. If you get the better connection you go to the other airport.
The point I was making is that Icelandair is flying to GLA AND that Easyjet is flying EDI - KEF. Where should the traffic come from? It would be more sensible to make GLA daily than adding EDI for Icelandair.

I think we will see changes when the 737 is added to the Icelandair fleet. Destinations now getting 3 to 4 flights a week can go to daily.
The Q400 can serve destinations that would not be big enough for a 737 or 757.

Norway I could imagine AES, TOS, SVG and TRD with the Q400 and BGO with the 737 year round.

And even FRO.

[Edited 2015-08-19 06:04:37]

mjoelnir · Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:32 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 71):
Yes it does. Unless I missed something, including seasonal routes, DUB currently has 13 nonstop North American (Canada/U.S.) destinations, while KEF has 15 (actually 14 now but 15 starting March 2016 when FI begins service to ORD).

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 72):
More to the point when discussing one stop UK to North America options, EI offer 7 destinations via DUB whilst FI offer 14 via KEF.

Icelandair just added YUL for summer 2016, so that makes it 16 destinations in North America for Icelandair only next summer. 17 including WOW. 18 if you include Greenland in NA.

IADCA · Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:59 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 81):
Icelandair just added YUL for summer 2016, so that makes it 16 destinations in North America for Icelandair only next summer. 17 including WOW. 18 if you include Greenland in NA.

Greenland is North America. Of course geologically, KEF is in North America as well, so I suppose in that sense Icelandair has even one more destination in North America.

RJNUT · Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:01 pm

i am rather intrgued by this use of the Q400. Looking at the map, what about NOC or SXL in Western Ireland?... Or BHD or even ORK ? i bet they order more if ABZ becomes a sucess

GCT64 · Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:12 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 80):
Than do the demonstration. They are 50 minutes apart by car. If you get the better connection you go to the other airport.

With all due respect, your profile shows you being in Iceland not in Scotland Central Belt. I run a company that trades globally just north of the Forth Road Bridge (about 15/20 minutes from EDI) and we have people flying in/out every week (including me). In theory we can get to GLA in about 1H30M but you are at the mercy of the M8/Glasgow traffic and so, in practice, you would have to leave 2+ hours and we almost never do it (I think we use GLA about once every 3 years from recollection (and I sign off all the travel, so I would know)).

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 79):
It's been demonstrated time and again that GLA and EDI are two different markets.

= Correct

mjoelnir · Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:46 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 84):
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 80):
Than do the demonstration. They are 50 minutes apart by car. If you get the better connection you go to the other airport.

With all due respect, your profile shows you being in Iceland not in Scotland Central Belt. I run a company that trades globally just north of the Forth Road Bridge (about 15/20 minutes from EDI) and we have people flying in/out every week (including me). In theory we can get to GLA in about 1H30M but you are at the mercy of the M8/Glasgow traffic and so, in practice, you would have to leave 2+ hours and we almost never do it (I think we use GLA about once every 3 years from recollection (and I sign off all the travel, so I would know)).

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 79):
It's been demonstrated time and again that GLA and EDI are two different markets.

= Correct

So, and if I am based in Iceland than I should not have an opinion regarding Scotland. That is about the cheapest argument you can find. I have been often enough in Scotland and flown out and into both GLA and EDI and airlines fly typical either to GLA or EDI from certain destinations. I am in the fish processing equipment business and I have friends in Scotland.

If you are just north of the Forth Road Bridge than of course you are nearer to EDI than GLA, but your 2 hours to get to GLA is a vast exaggeration and it does not change that for many people living between the two airports it does matter very little out of what airport they are flying.

EIDL · Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:49 pm

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 83):
i am rather intrgued by this use of the Q400. Looking at the map, what about NOC or SXL in Western Ireland?... Or BHD or even ORK ? i bet they order more if ABZ becomes a sucess

SXL is effectively closed now - not one scheduled service. CFN would be in range but there wouldn't be even a fraction of the demand required. NOC are crying for a TATL service - they had Globespan in the past - so it'd be plausible they'd get airport support there.

BoeingGuy · Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 36):
Quoting centrex (Reply 3):
Rather long flight with Q400, 2:50 block. But interesting case. You hardly fly Q400 much further than this

You realize the Q400 is not an ATR. it has a range of 1362nm. How do you see this as hardy able to fly much farther than the 715nm route?

AS/QX flew the Q400 on LAX-LAP which is about as long. They've also done SEA-FAT. There is some precedent for Q400 flights of this length.

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 37):
PDX does not have the 100 degree weather during the summer that will affect range/payload vs DFW.

Portland most certainly does have days of 100F. It's not everyday and it varies by season, this year being an exceptionally hot summer in PDX and SEA, but it certainly does happen.

nighthawk · Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 85):
So, and if I am based in Iceland than I should not have an opinion regarding Scotland

No, that is not what is being said. Feel free to have an "opinion". What is being said is that you do not understand the Scottish aviation market as well as you think you do, and certainly not as well as someone who lives here.

There is a rivalry between the two airports amongst aviation enthusiasts, and there is a rivalry between the cities amongst the citizens. Add to that convenience or lack thereof of transport between the two, and you have a clear divide - a lot of people from Edinburgh will not fly from Glasgow, and a lot of people from Glasgow will not fly from Edinburgh.

This has been proven time and again - Continental started flights from Edinburgh, with almost no impact on their Glasgow service. Qatar/Etihad started flights from Edinburgh, and again similar services out of Glasgow reported an increase in passengers! This demonstrates that few people are driving between the two cities, the extra passengers must have been choosing to fly from EDI via a hub rather than drive through to Glasgow. Continental (I believe) even said as much in a press statement - "we're not targeting existing Glasgow passengers, but the passengers who choose to fly via an existing hub" (the wording may be a little wrong, it was 10 years ago!)

Incidentally the same thing happens from Aberdeen. When I worked up there, we frequently had people travelling to Dubai, yet they would always fly from Aberdeen and connect in Amsterdam/Paris rather than drive down to Glasgow. Getting a taxi or a friend to drop you off at your local airport is always going to win out over driving/taking public transport across to the next city. 50 miles might not seem like a long way, but it might as well be the other side of the planet to someone from the UK - we're a small, densely populated country, and just dont like to travel.

mjoelnir · Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:08 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 88):

And it is IMO still just your opinion being likely a enthusiast for EDI.

styles9002 · Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:00 am

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 88):
a lot of people from Edinburgh will not fly from Glasgow, and a lot of people from Glasgow will not fly from Edinburgh.

You are commenting on this from the perspective of outbound travel from GLA and EDI and I would be inclined to agree with you that most people from GLA won't travel from EDI and most people from EDI won't travel from GLA. Thus, from that perspective they are likely two distinct markets.

However, from my perspective of inbound travel from USA to Scotland, most leisure travelers would view GLA and EDI as basically serving the same area, that of Scotland. I would think that tourists would use which ever offers the best price for a ticket.

Certainly many business travelers would look to fly to the airport closest to their destination (especially if the company is paying for it) so they would likely consider the two cities separate markets as well but I'd reckon many if not most tourists in the US and perhaps Canada would look at Scotland on a map and think GLA and EDI are quite close and not think a drive of 90 minutes or so to be off-putting.

Thus, in my amateur opinion, I think both of your are correct in your assertions as you are viewing the question from different perspectives.

Viscount724 · Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 87):
AS/QX flew the Q400 on LAX-LAP which is about as long. They've also done SEA-FAT. There is some precedent for Q400 flights of this length.

WestJet (Encore) uses the Q400 on YVR-YMM, only 27 nm shorter than SEA-FAT (101 nm shorter than KEF-ABZ). Block time 2:16 eastbound, 2:24 westbound, about 20 minutes slower than AC (Jazz) which uses the CRJ 200 on that route.

nighthawk · Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:35 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 89):
And it is IMO still just your opinion being likely a enthusiast for EDI.

You make a lot of assumptions.

It is not an opinion, but an observation based on historical data and comments made by airlines.

Quoting Reply 90):
You are commenting on this from the perspective of outbound travel from GLA and EDI and I would be inclined to agree with you that most people from GLA won't travel from EDI and most people from EDI won't travel from GLA. Thus, from that perspective they are likely two distinct markets.

However, from my perspective of inbound travel from USA to Scotland, most leisure travellers would view GLA and EDI as basically serving the same area, that of Scotland. I would think that tourists would use which ever offers the best price for a ticket.

Yes, this is true, it does apply more to outbound traffic than inbound. But as you said yourself, those travelling for business will still fly to the most convenient airport, and likewise a lot of tourists too. there will always be exceptions to every rule, but the statistics and comments from airlines show that in general it is correct - adding a new flight to Edinburgh doesn't cause a drop in passengers from Glasgow. They don't serve "nearly the same market", as mjoelnir suggested.

mjoelnir · Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 92):
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 89):
And it is IMO still just your opinion being likely a enthusiast for EDI.

You make a lot of assumptions.

It is not an opinion, but an observation based on historical data and comments made by airlines.

Quoting Reply 90):
You are commenting on this from the perspective of outbound travel from GLA and EDI and I would be inclined to agree with you that most people from GLA won't travel from EDI and most people from EDI won't travel from GLA. Thus, from that perspective they are likely two distinct markets.

However, from my perspective of inbound travel from USA to Scotland, most leisure travellers would view GLA and EDI as basically serving the same area, that of Scotland. I would think that tourists would use which ever offers the best price for a ticket.

Yes, this is true, it does apply more to outbound traffic than inbound. But as you said yourself, those travelling for business will still fly to the most convenient airport, and likewise a lot of tourists too. there will always be exceptions to every rule, but the statistics and comments from airlines show that in general it is correct - adding a new flight to Edinburgh doesn't cause a drop in passengers from Glasgow. They don't serve "nearly the same market", as mjoelnir suggested.

You make a lot of assumptions. As I have been talking about my opinion as an opinion, but you have been talking about your opinion as an undeniable fact, I have to ask you according to the rules of A.net for some corroboration.

GLAGAZ · Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:57 am

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 79):
Glasgow....fewer transatlantic flights.

Doubt it.

GLA:

EWR - United
PHL - AA
YHZ - WestJet
YVR - Air Transat
YYC - Air Transat
MCO - Virgin & Thomas Cook
SFB - Thomson
CUN - Thomas Cook & Thomson
LAS - Virgin & Thomas Cook
BGI - Thomas Cook
HOG - Thomas Cook
CCC - Thomas Cook
VRA - Thomas Cook

EDI:

EWR - United
JFK - AA
ORD - United
SFB - Thomson
CUN - Thomson

Think that's about it. Depends what way you're measuring it.

[Edited 2015-08-20 03:58:53]

nighthawk · Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:34 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 93):
As I have been talking about my opinion as an opinion, but you have been talking about your opinion as an undeniable fact, I have to ask you according to the rules of A.net for some corroboration.

I told you the sources you could check that verify my claims.

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 94):
Doubt it.

You're right, I should have worded that better. I was referring to Scheduled flights, but I forgot about Westjet at Glasgow (and you forgot Rouge to EDI). Air Transat flights are also relevant I suppose.

GLAGAZ · Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:51 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 95):

Bugger. I did type Ac Rouge and Top

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