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US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:40 pm

US Air , after taking over PSA had a massive operations at the west coast in the 80's and 90's.
But all of a sudden US Air pulled out leaving LAX with only PIT/PHL/BWI/CLT as destinations. I used to live in Reno,NV and we had US Air nonstops to LAX, PDX, SFO, SEA but then after 1993 US Air stopped flying to Reno completly.
Why did US Air stop their west coast operations?
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:45 pm

Southwest. Same reason AA & DL pulled down west coast ops after their acquisitions. US made a half hearted attempt at a MCI mid con hublet but didn't pan out. Their cash cow was back east.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:46 pm

I believe that once US absorbed the other carriers they realized that it wasn't profitable for them. PSA was a young carrier and enjoyed lower costs, but US did not. Once they merged the PSA crew was brought up to US crew pay and made this unprofitable for US to operate.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:22 pm

Here is a route map from 1987 showing their ops
http://www.departedflights.com/US090887.html
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:29 pm

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 2):
PSA was a young carrier and enjoyed lower costs
PSA had been around since 1949, it was only a year younger then Allegheny. PSA was by no means "a young carrier", in fact it was probably the most established West Coast carrier when US merged with it.

You must be confused with Reno Air or Air Cal, which AA merged with. And look at that, not they're all the same airline.

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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
Southwest. Same reason AA & DL pulled down west coast ops after their acquisitions.

To this day it still makes me mad. PSA would have likely been a profitable well established carrier today if US hadn't so incompetently bought them and gutted them.

AA did it twice - Air Cal and Reno Air - and then supposedly tried to by AS too so they could again find out it doesn't work for the third time, and gut them too.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:27 pm

There were several factors which made California fertile territory for Southwest:


--PSA had a special place in hearts of California flyers -- whoever bought PSA couldn't buy that part of their value.

--PSA's BAe 146 were largely hated and tarnished the PSA mystique -- even the conversion from 3x3 to 2x3 didn't win over all haters, and the conversion (of course) jacked up cost.

--USAir came in with their stodgy was of doing things and (I've been told) an attitude of arrogant superiority which turned off a lot of employees and customers. To be fair that's hardly unique to USAir's purchase of PSA -- you see it all the time. But it didn't help US in the west - -it hurt.

--USAir's scheduling interwove a lot of former PSA north-south flying with long hauls to/from the east. So your LAX-SMF flight might have run BUF-LGA-IND-LAX-SMF, and deicing and ATC delays back east killed the reliability that west coast flyers were used to in a self-contained network.

--US's high costs made it hard to defend against Southwest's growing system when times were reasonably good.

--The recession of the early 90's made times bad, and the western division was chipped away at pretty heavily until less and less was left.


PSA struggled to make a buck much of the 1980's so it's not like everything was perfect. But US didn't exactly right the ship with their actions after purchase, and the gulf was recession of the early 90's was the nail in the coffin.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:33 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):


Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
Southwest. Same reason AA & DL pulled down west coast ops after their acquisitions.

To this day it still makes me mad. PSA would have likely been a profitable well established carrier today if US hadn't so incompetently bought them and gutted them.

AA did it twice - Air Cal and Reno Air - and then supposedly tried to by AS too so they could again find out it doesn't work for the third time, and gut them too.


Living through the demise of PSA, AirCal, and Reno Air was all I needed to realize that mergers are anti-competitive and usually screw the passengers and employees.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:45 pm

It's interesting. I have seen old USAir ad's claiming how US was the largest carrier in California-larger than DL, UA, and AA. Of course, this was before the era of Southwest.

I do wonder today what would have happened if US somehow managed to become profitable within California-could we see hubs at LAX/SAN/SFO today? I seem to recall the all Californian crew bases being closed by 2000.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:58 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
Southwest. Same reason AA & DL pulled down west coast ops after their acquisitions.

To this day it still makes me mad. PSA would have likely been a profitable well established carrier today if US hadn't so incompetently bought them and gutted them.

AA did it twice - Air Cal and Reno Air - and then supposedly tried to by AS too so they could again find out it doesn't work for the third time, and gut them too.

It is very interesting to see what the legacy carriers did to almost all of the west coast regional airlines during this period of time. Much of it was the early days of deregulation most of these smaller carriers did struggle to make money during the 80's. PSA may have survived a while longer but would have had to merge with someone else at some point and WN coming into California made things very hard.

We must also look at what Republic did to Hughes AirWest they took apart the west coast network before their merger with Northwest.

Southwest even did the same over a longer period of time with the Morris Air merger. Very few of the original Morris Air routes are now being flown.

The only real surviving network is that of Western Airlines, Delta kept the SLC hub and most of the LAX flying.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:01 am

It is amazing just how quickly US destroyed the value of PSA's assets, and AA, of AirCal's. It was truly a gift to Southwest.

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Consider what might have been - if PSA had been allowed to recapitalize and restart Braniff in 1982, as they proposed to do...
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:33 am

Quoting mwh787 (Reply 9):
PSA may have survived a while longer but would have had to merge with someone else at some point and WN coming into California made things very hard.

You know that PSA trained WN how to be a LCC, right? I don't think PSA would have had anything to worry about if they hadn't been mismanaged at the end.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 6):
PSA struggled to make a buck much of the 1980's so it's not like everything was perfect. But US didn't exactly right the ship with their actions after purchase, and the gulf was recession of the early 90's was the nail in the coffin.

PSA had been mismanaged for awhile so that didn't help. What was that clown's name who was their CEO for awhile? He tried to make PSA like United. At the same time, United's management was studying PSA trying to be more like them.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:57 am

Quoting HNL (Reply 3):
Here is a route map from 1987 showing their ops

A perfect photograph of the day of the merger. It clearly shows why the airline on the left coast went away. USAir was an unknown carrier up here, there was little time given to reeducate people to think of US for their Disney vacation.

Quoting SFOThinker (Reply 7):
Living through the demise of PSA, AirCal, and Reno Air was all I needed to realize that mergers are anti-competitive and usually screw the passengers and employees.

Mighty truth spoken here. Can't see anyone but the airlines winning these days, it's no longer the customers, that's for sure.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:36 am

Quoting HNL (Reply 3):
Here is a route map from 1987 showing their ops


Amazing to see Concord, CA on the map. I had no idea Concord ever had regular service. From wiki:

Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) began flights from Buchanan Field to Los Angeles International Airport on May 1, 1986. PSA had four to five daily roundtrips with BAe 146-200s, initially with 100 seats. USAir continued the flights after acquiring PSA in 1987, but replaced the BAe 146s with de Havilland Canada DHC-8 Dash 8 turboprops in 1991. That year USAir announced that it was dismantling most of the West Coast network that it had acquired from PSA, including Concord, where flights ended in 1992. Buchanan Field has not had scheduled passenger flights since.

How was this service justified given the proximity to OAK and SMF?

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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:43 am

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 13):

The map shows Concord, CA. Can anyone elaborate on this? Was this regular service and if so to where? Frequency? How was it justified considering the proximity of OAK and SMF?

CCR-LAX 4x/day on the BAe146. If I recall correctly there was a lot of NIMBY opposition to commercial service at Concord.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:16 am

The last vestiges of intra-California flying for US existed until I want to say about 1999. US had a moderate sized J32 operation out of LAX and flew to places like MRY, SBA, PSP, FAT, SAN, ONT, and a couple others. IIRC, they had mini hublets at SFO which flew to MRY, SMF and maybe one or two other cities as well as some oddball SAN-FAT service.

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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:36 am

I remember my first US flight from Burbank to Oakland. There was meal service. For a short flight, it was hilarious to watch them running up and down dispensing food and drinks on a flight that was about 55 minutes. US continued service into Stockton with mainline to LAX and then with Express before stopping service sometime after 1990. I was a loyal PSA flyer as were many. They were upbeat, funny and totally West Coast.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 13):
Amazing to see Concord, CA on the map. I had no idea Concord ever had regular service

I flew this flight once on a BA146. It was wonderful walking up to the plane to board in Concord.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:47 am

I loved the 146s- nice buggies, so long as you did not get the penalty box seats, aft.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:24 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 14):
CCR-LAX 4x/day on the BAe146. If I recall correctly there was a lot of NIMBY opposition to commercial service at Concord.

Which strikes me as funny, given the 146 wasn't a very quiet aircraft at all, with those four jet engines, it certainly wasn't quiet inside either, anything under or aft of the wing was loud as heck. I see why the 146 wasn't popular, but I still cherish my one 146 flight on Air BC from YYC to YEG.

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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:05 am

I think an overlooked problem was the fact that USAir brought their east coast attitude and tried to make it work with the PSA customer base. They were doomed from the start on that front. People liked the laid back attitude of PSA. But, PSA was doomed regardless.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:47 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 14):
The map shows Concord, CA. Can anyone elaborate on this? Was this regular service and if so to where? Frequency? How was it justified considering the proximity of OAK and SMF?

CCR-LAX 4x/day on the BAe146. If I recall correctly there was a lot of NIMBY opposition to commercial service at Concord.

Concord is about 30 miles east of OAK on the other side of a very busy freeway tunnel. In itself the Concord, Walnut Creek and San Ramon Valley area is very populated and much of it is affluent.

I could see QX/AS making CCR-LAX work well with a Q400.

Another airport that both PSA and Air California served was TVL. It also no longer has scheduled service.

Another interesting trivia fact is that Air California showed SFO-ACV as a future route in their timetable about 1971, but the route never started.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:16 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20):
I could see QX/AS making CCR-LAX work well with a Q400.

Honestly, with QX up the road in Santa Rosa, I'm surprised they haven't tried CCR. Sure, they're some serious NIMBYs in the I-680 corridor, but the Dash-8-Q400 isn't particularly loud and the population base is there. Contra Costa County has over a million people. Even with the 4th bore on the Caldecott Tunnel finished, the drive from Walnut Creek/Concord/Martinez to OAK (or worse, SFO) is still a slog for much of the day. I'd imagine CCR service would be popular for the growing developments further east towards Brentwood and might pull folks from Fairfield and possibly Napa.

Wish I could have been around to see the Smilin' BAe-146s over there.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:10 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 18):
Which strikes me as funny, given the 146 wasn't a very quiet aircraft at all, with those four jet engines, it certainly wasn't quiet inside either, anything under or aft of the wing was loud as heck. I see why the 146 wasn't popular, but I still cherish my one 146 flight on Air BC from YYC to YEG.

At the time the BAe 146 was the quietest jet out there, and by enough of a margin that it wasn't subject to noise-based limitations at Orange County. The SNA exception is a key reason both PSA and AirCal bought the 146. Curiously, however, the BAe145 was not known to be quiet for passengers inside the plane.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:55 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 22):
is a key reason both PSA and AirCal bought the 146.

The key reason PS bought the 146 was that they took over the orders that Pacific Express had already ordered and partially paid for when they filed bankruptcy.
they got the 146's as part of the deal. I worked for Pacific Express at that time.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting NOLAWildcat (Reply 21):
Honestly, with QX up the road in Santa Rosa, I'm surprised they haven't tried CCR. Sure, they're some serious NIMBYs in the I-680 corridor, but the Dash-8-Q400 isn't particularly loud and the population base is there. Contra Costa County has over a million people. Even with the 4th bore on the Caldecott Tunnel finished, the drive from Walnut Creek/Concord/Martinez to OAK (or worse, SFO) is still a slog for much of the day. I'd imagine CCR service would be popular for the growing developments further east towards Brentwood and might pull folks from Fairfield and possibly Napa.

There are a number of surrounding Bay Area airports in Central CA that could handle Q400's, but would they be profitable? Or does the particular airport meet requirements for an airline (a tower is not one of them, as G4 was able to show). I could see CCR (of course), maybe Livermore Munical airport (if it meets requirements), SCK, Merced, Visalia, etc.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 18):
Which strikes me as funny, given the 146 wasn't a very quiet aircraft at all, with those four jet engines, it certainly wasn't quiet inside either, anything under or aft of the wing was loud as heck. I see why the 146 wasn't popular, but I still cherish my one 146 flight on Air BC from YYC to YEG.

Compared to some of aircraft that were flying at the time, the 146 was definitely quieter on the outside. Back then, the 146 was being compared to the 727-100, 737-200, DC-9-30's, MD-80's and maybe even the 737-300's, -400's and -500's. I flew my share of US 146's up and down the west coast in the early 1990's.

These days, you have to go to Europe to get on one.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:14 pm

The shock to long-time Intrastate California air travelers was apparent. It was as if their cherished PSA with flight attendants oozing beach girl looks and personality had been replaced with a bland outsider with the all the sexuality of an old Pittsburgh steel mill. Early morning flights from SAN, SNA and LAX to the bay area suddenly became more arduous for countless male passengers.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:26 pm

I was living in the Bay Area at the time and I remember a fairly aggressive ad campaign by USAir for the SFO-LAX market. Their big selling point was that their gates were the closest to the entrance/exit at each airport.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:38 pm

As someone living in Lafayette, I would *love* to see air service return to CCR. If LA/Southern California can manage so many airports, why can't the Bay Area? Though as I understand it, we'd probably see the same kind of human chains across runways like when NRT opened as we would if air service returned to CCR.
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Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:52 pm

US AIR buying PSA and American buying AirCal was hands down the best thing that ever happened for Southwest airlines..

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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:58 pm

I seem to remember reading there was not a lot of public support for Concord. There was a Beechcraft Baron that crashed into a Macy's near the airport killing every onboard and some shoppers. After USAir pulled out there was some zoning laws or something similar passed to block commerical service to Concord.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:03 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
To this day it still makes me mad. PSA would have likely been a profitable well established carrier today if US hadn't so incompetently bought them and gutted them.

I agree. US Air's problem was hubris. They felt that they knew how to run an airline. Thus, they imposed their systems, policies, and procedures on both PSA and Piedmont (both acquired about the same time - 1986/1987). They basically gave away PSA's stronghold on the West Coast to Southwest, and then essentially gutted the old Piedmont system (upstate New York, Dayton hub, etc.) as well.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 14):
CCR-LAX 4x/day on the BAe146. If I recall correctly there was a lot of NIMBY opposition to commercial service at Concord.

Of course, it didn't help when just prior to PSA's scheduled start a private pilot crashed his plane into the SunValley Mall two days before Christmas in 1985, which delayed PSA start up by a couple of months.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20):
Concord is about 30 miles east of OAK on the other side of a very busy freeway tunnel. In itself the Concord, Walnut Creek and San Ramon Valley area is very populated and much of it is affluent.

The airport also attracted travelers from far east Contra Costa County and southern Solano county. I flew this route numerous times and it was very convenient. The terminal was a couple of trailers put together..

US replaced the 146 with a Dash 8 in early 1991, then discontinued service.

Both US, AA and to an extent DL never understood the west coast market.

The main reason AA took over OC was the access to SNA. OC and AA met to discuss frequent flyer programs and AA came back from the table with an airline. OC was ready to order some 757's for the SNA-ORD route.
 
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Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:06 pm

As mentioned so far, there were a variety of reasons the PSA merger did not work out.

But I remembered this 1991 article that paints a nice picture of the cultural difference/problem between the 2 airlines.:

Quote:
But former PSA executives interviewed Friday said Arlington, Va.-based USAir failed to make the grade in the competitive California air corridor largely because the East Coast airline, with its stiff corporate culture, jettisoned PSA's easy-going style.

"They were arrogant East Coast guys who came to town with their white shirts, red ties and blue suits," said a former PSA executive who declined to be named because he still has business dealings with USAir. "They said, 'We don't need you guys with the paisley ties and the two-tone shirts.' "

USAir, he said, "gave me and a lot of other guys a heck of a lot of money to just go away" after the merger. "They thought they knew better than us. . . . They didn't need us."
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-26/business/fi-478_1_psa-executive

Just a little info about CCR also.
Quoting NOLAWildcat (Reply 21):
Honestly, with QX up the road in Santa Rosa, I'm surprised they haven't tried CCR. Sure, they're some serious NIMBYs in the I-680 corridor, but the Dash-8-Q400 isn't particularly loud and the population base is there. Contra Costa County has over a million people. Even with the 4th bore on the Caldecott Tunnel finished, the drive from Walnut Creek/Concord/Martinez to OAK (or worse, SFO) is still a slog for much of the day. I'd imagine CCR service would be popular for the growing developments further east towards Brentwood and might pull folks from Fairfield and possibly Napa.
Quoting 910A (Reply 31):

The airport also attracted travelers from far east Contra Costa County and southern Solano county...

Allegiant says it has seen a large number of east Contra Costa County residents doing the reverse drive to SCK to board flights (even though it means dealing with 580/205 or 4). Many are still looking for alternatives to the drive to OAK.

This is older info from a 2013 management presentation but the heat map shows the change in the SCK catchment area for Allegiant growing into Contra Costa County.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:01 pm

Quoting Delta777Jet (Thread starter):
I used to live in Reno,NV and we had US Air nonstops to LAX, PDX, SFO, SEA but then after 1993 US Air stopped flying to Reno completly.

Interestingly I once flew SAN-RNO in late 1991 - I believe this was a route that USAir actually started, and not one that PSA ever flew.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:28 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
To this day it still makes me mad. PSA would have likely been a profitable well established carrier today if US hadn't so incompetently bought them and gutted them.

AA did it twice - Air Cal and Reno Air - and then supposedly tried to by AS too so they could again find out it doesn't work for the third time, and gut them too.

Southwest entered the West Coast and ran AA and US out of the region. DL maintained the WA hub at SLC, but the vast majority of the north-south flying along the coast disappeared. What was left of the RW route system that merged with Republic was also finished off by Northwest.

By the same token, what killed the QQ operation (SJC had been the AA hub before it was turned it over to QQ), was the tech and dot.com bubble bursts. According to a friend of mine at AA, flying by tech sector employees plummeted, after everyone was safely past Y2K. So many businesses had upgraded their hardware and software before Y2K that tech spending tanked. Even Alan Greenspan said when testifying before Congress that companies had become so efficient with Y2K that it dampened hiring within the recovery , when compared to recessions in the 90s and 80s.

The dot.com sector was basically drunk with IPO money. People were flying at the last minute, often buying F seats rather than trying to upgrade from Y. When we learned that many dot.coms hadn't made money and weren't going to make money, they started failing left and right.

In addition, 9/11 really hurt travel to both LAS and RNO. I was in Vegas in December of 2001, and it was very, very quiet compared to past trips. Every casino was trying some sort of promotion to get tourists to book hotel rooms.

If AA hadn't bought QQ, it might have failed all by itself. Remember that National (N7) filed for bankruptcy in late 2000 and ceased operations in late 2002. It was the fall-off in passengers flying to LAS that did in the airline.

AA was in the process of creating a trans-Pacific hub at SJC. It had announced SJC-TPE before 9/11
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:51 pm

I think PSA named each of the 146's. The one N350PS that went down near Paso Robles in the murder suicide action of a former employee was "The Smile of Stockton".

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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:57 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 34):
AA was in the process of creating a trans-Pacific hub at SJC. It had announced SJC-TPE before 9/11

AA started SJC-TPE and SJC-CDG in April of 2011. The discontinued each after 9/11 in about October.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:00 pm

It is my understanding that a lot of people in California-especially in San Diego, still express resentment towards US Airways for what they did to PSA.

FYI, I thought I would compare US's schedules in SAN/LAX/SFO in 1995 to 1999.

SAN 1995...notice there are no flights to CLT or PHL yet (Mainline to LAS, PHX, CLT, RNO, SMF, SFO gone)
FAT:3X J41
MCI:1X 734
LAX:10x J31, 1X 757
PIT:2X 757, 1X 733

LAX 1995...(Mainline to LAS, MCO, RNO, SMF, TPA gone)
BWI: 2X 757
CLT: 2X 757, 1X 767
CMH: 1X 733
DAY: 1X 733
IND: 2X 733
MCI: 3X 733
PHL: 2X 767
PIT: 2X 767, 1X 757, 2X 733
SAN: 10 J31
SFO: 3X 733 (Hardly a player in the market)
FAT: 7X J31
MRY: 5X J31
ONT: 3X J31
PSP: 5X J31
SBA: 3X J31
SBP: 3X J31

SFO 1995...(Mainlin to IND, RNO, SAN, SEA gone)
BWI: 1X 757
CLT: 1X 733, 1X 757
MCI: 1X 734
LAS: 1X 733 (Hardly a player in the market once again)
LAX: 3X 733
PHL: 2X 757
PIT: 2X 757, 1X 733
FAT: 4X J31
MRY: 2X J31
SMF: 6X J31

SAN 1999...(CLT came back along with the intro of Airbus equipment)
CLT: 1X A319
PHL: 1X 757
PIT: 3X 757
FAT: 4X J31
LAX: 16X J31

SFO..1999
BWI: 1X 757
CLT: 3X 767
FAT: 2X J31
MRY: 6X J31
PIT: 5X 757
PHL: 3X 757

LAX...1999
BWI: 2X 757
CLT: 2X 757, 2X A319
PIT: 5X 757
FAT: 9X J31
PSP: 5X J31
PHL: 4X 757, 1X A320. 1X A319
SAN: 16X J31
SBA: 6X J31

I also thought it would be nice to add in LAS, SNA, SEA, PHX, DEN to show how small US was West of Texas.

DEN
CLT: 2X 733
PHL: 3X 733
PIT: 3X 733

LAS
CLT: 1X 733
PHL: 3X 733
PIT: 3X 733

SEA
CLT: 2X A319
PHL: 2X A319, 1X A320
PIT: 2X 757, 1X A320

SNA
PIT: 1X 733

What I find interesting is that US still heavily utilized both the 734s and 733s on transcon flights right up until 9/11. Recall that most 734s were equipped with IFE, and US had a subfleet of 737-300LRs equipped with additonal tanks and IFE for flights out to the West. After 9/11, SNA was discontinued and did not resume at PHL or CLT and remained unserved until the HP merger. I believe they flew PIT-ABQ for a time as well.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:04 pm

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 35):
I think PSA named each of the 146's. The one N350PS that went down near Paso Robles in the murder suicide action of a former employee was "The Smile of Stockton".

Former US Air employee...
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:06 pm

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 33):
Interestingly I once flew SAN-RNO in late 1991 - I believe this was a route that USAir actually started, and not one that PSA ever flew.

PS did start the route. I flew SAN-RNO on PSA March 1986. They had just started it.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:21 pm

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 39):
PS did start the route. I flew SAN-RNO on PSA March 1986. They had just started it.

It's possible that PSA started it, but it seems to have gone away before coming back with USAir.

http://www.departedflights.com/SAN89intro.html
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:23 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 37):
I believe they flew PIT-ABQ for a time as well.

IIRC, US completely discontinued PDX, ABQ and SNA at about the same time.

Question: Did US ever serve PIT-SJC? I have a vague recollection that route existed for a short time.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:48 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 18):
Which strikes me as funny, given the 146 wasn't a very quiet aircraft at all, with those four jet engines, it certainly wasn't quiet inside either, anything under or aft of the wing was loud as heck. I see why the 146 wasn't popular,

I don't agree with that. I've flown on dozens of 146s/Avro RJs including a few flights this year on LX seated in all parts of the cabin. I've never noticed them as unusually loud. I still consider them by far the best shorthaul narrowbody in terms of comfort as long as they're 5-abreast like those oeprated by LX, SN and most that were operated in the U.S. and Canada (a few are still operated in Canada). But at 6-abreast they're by far the worst narrowbody.

I'll be sorry to see them go in Europe but LX can't wait to replace them with the CSeries and cut fuel consumption by about 25%.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:58 am

Don't forget, the freeway speed limits started going up in the 1990's...this probably doomed some of the routes  
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:35 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 41):
IIRC, US completely discontinued PDX, ABQ and SNA at about the same time.

When did US fly PIT-PDX? I vaguely remember US flying PHL-SNA with an A319 before discontinuing it completely.

This route map from 2001 shows all Californian Express destinations but lacks SJC. http://web.archive.org/web/200108030...usairways.com/travelguide/west.htm
Likewise, PDX was not listed on the map for that year, nor was ABQ.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:46 am

SNA was discontinued with the big service dis continuations in the middle 90s, along with many other cities like ABQ, SAT, CVG, etc.. Some cities were gone completely, others went to USX carriers. I believe SNA did come back a few years later, before the HP merger and had service to both PIT and PHL.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:50 am

Not sure when it started, but US flew PDX-PIT up until '96 or so?
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:08 am

UA beat the pants off of USAir, and American by 1993 in the California market.
 
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:51 pm

I had always thought that US had ceased all west coast operations with the grounding of the BAe-146 in May of 1991. Surprised to see that they continued with the SFO-LAX shuttle until about 1994, along with a few other routes such as SAN-SFO-SEA.
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RE: US Air Westcoast Operations 80/90's

Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:16 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 36):
AA started SJC-TPE and SJC-CDG in April of 2011. The discontinued each after 9/11 in about October.

Do you mean 2001? Or another year?

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