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British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:02 pm

A video of the British Prime Minister, David Cameron has circulated around the net today. He appears to be on an U2 flight. Is it typical for this to happen, and would any special security measures be taken for such a high profile passenger. I certainly couldn't imagine the US president doing this.

For anybody who hasn't seen the video here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1oV7FR-n1A
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:12 pm

Good for him. I have read that his bodyguards/security were in the rows immediately before and after him. I also read he was headed to Spain to holiday with his family. I really thought this was a spoof.

President Nixon flew a UA flight IAD-LAX with a secure sat phone to remain in contact at all times. His 707 later flew empty from Andrews to pick him up to take him back to DC.

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:25 pm

I'm not surprised to see him doing this. To be honest, I don't see what is so amazing about it all. I do wonder whether they charged him for the pringles, though...
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:44 pm

Canada's Prime Minister doesn't fly commercial but his family may -- and in Economy to boot. I was once in J when Laureen Harper went to the back of the bus with her RCMP escort for a short 45-minute Ottawa-Toronto hop.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:06 pm

What is it with people thinking just because he is PM he has to fly on a private jet. I am pleased he went on Sleazy. I am also fine with us paying for a few seast around him.

We have similar nonsense threads when a royal takes a scheduled or low cost flight. If it was Obama it would be two 747's plus extra back up. Talk about a waste of money.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:20 pm

Does it really matter? He can travel on whatever airline he wishes, it might not have been an issue of price but timing. Perhaps British Airways did not have the destination that he was going to.

[Edited 2015-08-19 13:26:09]

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:25 pm

Could be worse - it could be Bliar. Oh probably not. As a socialist he only travels privately.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:26 pm

He was headed to FAO to holiday with his family. I think the person next to him was also part of his security detail.

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:35 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 4):

I don't think he should fly privately at all, I was just simply questining if any special security would be taken. Also i would have just imagined that he would fly on the his nations flag carrier, British Airways.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:43 pm

Quoting airboeingbus (Thread starter):
He appears to be on an U2 flight.

Didn't Blair and his family went on holiday in France some fifteen years ago on board a Buzz flight?
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:48 pm

He had returned to England from his holiday for the VJ commemorations, although he was returning for an official function, I would guess its judged as private travel as his holiday wasn't official business.
I would guess the person next to him is a security officer as he is wearing a tie, not something often seen on U2 flight to FAO. The choice would be either BA or U2 on this route, so thats a choice between buying a tube of pringles or an inclusive chicken and bacon sandwich.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:50 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 1):
President Nixon flew a UA flight IAD-LAX with a secure sat phone to remain in contact at all times. His 707 later flew empty from Andrews to pick him up to take him back to DC.

Arguably one of the more pointless political exercises. Nixon flying UA was meant to demonstrate that he too was doing his bit to save oil during the pil crisis. That AF1 was positioned empty to California for the return flight, more or less tailing the UA fligth,t wasn't mentioned at all...
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:52 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 11):
Arguably one of the more pointless political exercises. Nixon flying UA was meant to demonstrate that he too was doing his bit to save oil during the pil crisis.

He even asked the captain to fly slower in order to save fuel, from what I've read here or elsewhere.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:11 pm

I am not a UK tax payer but i think its wrong for a PM, Queen etc to fly commercial. If you really do a cost analysis of security details, security sweeps, his time, inability to deal with any government issues whilst in flight its a lot of money. Get him a private jet let him work/rest while on the flight etc. Its the right thing to do and all taxpayers should know its the cost of the keeping "The Most Important Person" in the country. We regularly charter private jets and helicopters for our company executives when they visit, i did a cost benefit analysis and found it cheaper to use a charter. Lets look beyond the cost of upkeep of an aircraft but real cost of him using commercial.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:15 pm

There wouldn't be huge extra security sweeps because of Dave flying. If this one person hadn't posted a video no one would have known.

Non story - move on.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:23 pm

The Blairs were frequent Ryanair passengers, and in the 1990s that really was a news story that got people tut-tutting. Now it is something that surfaces once or twice a year on a slow news day.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:23 pm

I have to agree, it's embarrassing that the government does not have a proper plane to transport the Queen/Prime Minister.

The United Kingdom is a wealthy country.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:33 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 4):
What is it with people thinking just because he is PM he has to fly on a private jet.

I would have thought that he would need to be reachable at any time and that his time was valuable enough that he would have more privacy/flexibility that comes with flying private that would enable him to conduct country business while flying.

I don't think the UK benefits from this small cost savings if something significant does come up while he is flying and is unreachable. Its less of an issue on these short regional hops and, to tell you the truth I applaud it, but if something urgent comes up and he isn't available someone would have some explaining to do.

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:34 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 4):
We have similar nonsense threads when a royal takes a scheduled or low cost flight. If it was Obama it would be two 747's plus extra back up. Talk about a waste of money.

If I were an American, I would not want to have my president flying commercial the next time a WTC type of attack happened. When you're the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, I think the US president's traveling habits are fine.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:42 pm

The transportation of of the POTUS is a huge deal. I think most people on this thread have whittled this issue down to an argument of prestige or accounting. With POTUS transport, the POTUS is the executive of the US government and Commander in Chief of our armed forces no matter where he or she travels to. On top of this being the leader of the preeminent superpower in the world makes for very unique security concerns. This is the reason why the POTUS gets a fleet of VIP aircraft specifically designed for the role of transporting the POTUS and the highest ranking of US officials and military commanders.

Most other countries when the head of government or state leaves the country or is traveling there is a transition of power to resident deputies in the capital.

I can assure you that no one would want to fly commercially with the POTUS if they have to be frisked, background checked and inconvenienced in the same way as if they were within close proximity of the POTUS at a town hall event.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:44 pm

David Cameron has even taken a couple of FR flights out of STN in the last few years....
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:57 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 4):

What is it with people thinking just because he is PM he has to fly on a private jet. I am pleased he went on Sleazy. I am also fine with us paying for a few seast around him.

We have similar nonsense threads when a royal takes a scheduled or low cost flight. If it was Obama it would be two 747's plus extra back up. Talk about a waste of money.

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 19):
Quoting flybyguy (Reply 19):
The transportation of of the POTUS is a huge deal. I think most people on this thread have whittled this issue down to an argument of prestige or accounting. With POTUS transport, the POTUS is the executive of the US government and Commander in Chief of our armed forces no matter where he or she travels to. On top of this being the leader of the preeminent superpower in the world makes for very unique security concerns. This is the reason why the POTUS gets a fleet of VIP aircraft specifically designed for the role of transporting the POTUS and the highest ranking of US officials and military commanders.

Most other countries when the head of government or state leaves the country or is traveling there is a transition of power to resident deputies in the capital.

I can assure you that no one would want to fly commercially with the POTUS if they have to be frisked, background checked and inconvenienced in the same way as if they were within close proximity of the POTUS at a town hall event.

Exactly. This thread is about whether the flight would receive extra security measures, which, is a valid and interesting inquiry. And leave your political ramblings against the U.S. out of this. The POTUS will never ever take a commercial flight for the reasons stated above.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:12 pm

I bet that when they brought the menu around he saw the prices and thought "hey, what the hell, I'm the Prime Minister now, I can afford it" and ordered whatever he wanted. In fact, you can see that it is true because in the video he is munching away whilst his bodyguard appears to have decided to wait and get a sandwhich later at Boots.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:14 pm

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 19):

This discussion is about the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:52 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 10):
I would guess the person next to him is a security officer as he is wearing a tie, not something often seen on U2

That kind of comment is acceptable from Joe Public who really doesn't know the industry but from someone on here? You see plenty of business suits/business pax on easyJet flights. They don't have high frequency flights to major Cities from places like London purely for Tommo and his mates to go and get stoned in AMS.

An EZY flight from my base a couple of years ago had Prince William and Kate on board and various celebs are regular travellers too.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:56 pm

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 24):

Calm down, you selectively removed the words "to Faro". There aren't many suits going to Faro on BA either.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:58 am

He is only the Prime Minister, and on holiday. Its not like he is the Monarch! He is not the head of state.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting airboeingbus (Thread starter):
I certainly couldn't imagine the US president doing this.

Not when he has a 747 and a 757 among other jets to ferry him around  
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:50 am

Quoting jetBlue777 (Reply 21):
This thread is about whether the flight would receive extra security measures

No it isn't

Quoting jetBlue777 (Reply 21):
The POTUS will never ever take a commercial flight for the reasons stated above.

Nixon did it not so long ago, as stated above.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 27):
Not when he has a 747 and a 757 among other jets to ferry him around

The 757 is for the secretary of state and I think the VP has one too. The Pres has two 747-200s.

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:44 am

I do think that we in the UK should have some sort of private, safe, and secure aircraft for the PM and Queen... If you look around the world, Government Aircraft are always quite prominant when things such as state visits or summits occur between nations...

As for the PM, yes having a private aircraft flown by the RAF would ensure safety at all times and allow him to run the country even during transit...

I have wondered recently would there not be scope in the RAF A330/Voyager fleet in having one of them beefed up for the job...
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:26 am

Concerning the security issues of "suppose something happened to the President". I thought that is why you have a Vice President.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:16 am

Quoting DELTA711 (Reply 29):
I do think that we in the UK should have some sort of private, safe, and secure aircraft for the PM and Queen... If you look around the world, Government Aircraft are always quite prominant when things such as state visits or summits occur between nations...

I get the PM but why for the Queen too? She has very little actual power or relevance when it comes to politics.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:26 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 28):
The 757 is for the secretary of state and I think the VP has one too. The Pres has two 747-200s.

There are 6 C-32s (757s) operated by the 89th Airlift Wing at Andrews. They transport the VP, Secretary of State, and others, but have also routinely flown as Air Force One, and continue to do so depending on mission profile.

Somewhat unrelated fact: Air Force Special Operations Command also operates two heavily modified C-32Bs for specialized global operations. They've got belly tanks and 6000nm range, aerial refueling capability, and often sport dummy "N" numbers.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:43 am

Quoting chiki (Reply 13):
If you really do a cost analysis of security details, security sweeps, his time, inability to deal with any government issues whilst in flight its a lot of money. Get him a private jet let him work/rest while on the flight etc. Its the right thing to do and all taxpayers should know its the cost of the keeping "The Most Important Person" in the country.
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 17):
I would have thought that he would need to be reachable at any time and that his time was valuable enough that he would have more privacy/flexibility that comes with flying private that would enable him to conduct country business while flying.

Something people don't realise but there isn't any special powers bestowed on the Prime Minister by anyone (its merely the person that leads the majority party in government - technically the office doesn't even exist, its a traditional post), so when he is out of contact the Deputy Prime Minister has full authority to act in equal ability as the Prime Minister - no acts of Parliament are needed, no signed papers, just action.

In recent times (no idea about previous years) when the PM goes on holiday, he actually goes on holiday - the Deputy PM is running the country. I assume that in the event of a nuclear war or major terrorist incident then the PM would feel the need to return, but there is nothing the DPM can't do in his absence.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:03 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 25):
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 24):

Calm down, you selectively removed the words "to Faro". There aren't many suits going to Faro on BA either.

  

I've travelled to FAO on an August weekend with U2, I doubt that GT4EZY has or he wouldn't have tried to make a point of it. Anyone with a tie is going to stand out, even many business people wear jackets with no tie these days.

As to the main question of whether a scheduled service is suitable transport for our PM, it has to be borne in mind that our official head of state Queen Elizabeth 2nd is a regular user of public transport herself. In particular when travelling between London and her home at Sandringham in Norfolk, she travels scheduled rail from Kings Cross to Kings Lynn.

I find that many of the top echelons of UK life feel no need to avail themselves of personal jets etc, this being the preserve of "new money"
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:20 am

he is going on holiday which is his time not work time and the flight could of been convenient depending on where he was prior to departing the country
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:13 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 16):
I have to agree, it's embarrassing that the government does not have a proper plane to transport the Queen/Prime Minister.

The United Kingdom is a wealthy country.

It's hardly embarrassing, myself and I'm sure many other tax payers are quite happy with it this way. We'd be paying for it.

Wealthy countries become poor countries when they squander money. I doubt, when public services such as the NHS need every penny they can get, people would be too happy about the government spending millions on it's own aircraft, whether one or whether a fleet.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 17):

I don't think the UK benefits from this small cost savings if something significant does come up while he is flying and is unreachable. Its less of an issue on these short regional hops and, to tell you the truth I applaud it, but if something urgent comes up and he isn't available someone would have some explaining to do.

Thankfully there are quite a few operators in the UK that are able to charter aircraft out at short notice. Titan being one and Jet2 are another. In fact, the government have previously chartered Jet2 aircraft.

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:14 am

Always man enough to apologise, I did indeed miss the FAO part of your comment.
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:30 am

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 37):
Always man enough to apologise, I did indeed miss the FAO part of your comment.

  
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:53 am

To illustrate different Nations attitudes to providing for their political leaders, I'm inserting a few pictures of their official residences, perhaps we can then all appreciate why U2 is transporting David Cameron





 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:54 am

So he flies commercial because he is going on vacation. So when he goes to the airport, is he accompanied by a motorcade? Or just his car?
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:37 am

Quoting mozart (Reply 40):

So he flies commercial because he is going on vacation. So when he goes to the airport, is he accompanied by a motorcade? Or just his car?

Motorcade is a bit too elaborate word for UK security for either the PM or head of state. It usually seems to be an armoured but on the face of it normal looking car for the VIP (Jaguar for PM, Bentley or RR for Queen) and a Range Rover behind for the Security detail. Sometimes in built up areas there will be a few Police Motorcycles as well

Its low key to the point where you ask the yourself the question "was that who I thought it was"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnrEGj_N76o

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:52 am

Queenie will drive herself with no other vehicles in attendance at times.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 41):
Motorcade is a bit too elaborate word for UK security for either the PM or head of state.

George W. Bush used a plain black SUV, with no motorcade at all, let alone flashing lights and road closures, to keep a visit to Iraq as secret as possible. I think he even wore a baseball cap for that and got stuck in rush hour traffic for one hour or so.

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:42 pm

I think has more to do with the Prime Minister trying to deny his Etonian background and pretenting to be a man of the people and second, the Nation can not afford an Air Force One type jet, given that nation debt is circa £1.5 trillion.

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:49 pm

I think it is foolish of him to go on a commercial aircraft, this could be security risk and he poses a risk to all other passengers as well.

UK is relatively wealthy country and can easily afford an executive jet for the PM.

With UK having experienced terrorism in the past and this cannot be ruled out in the future as well, the PM should just stick to private aircraft.
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:51 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 33):
Something people don't realise but there isn't any special powers bestowed on the Prime Minister by anyone (its merely the person that leads the majority party in government -

Solid points. I agree its not the same as the US President. He goes on vacation and has to bring the nuclear football with him and still gets daily security briefings.

Quoting flyDTW1992 (Reply 32):
They transport the VP, Secretary of State, and others, but have also routinely flown as Air Force One, and continue to do so depending on mission profile.

Surprised to hear that. I thought he always took the 74 when he flew (on an airplane anyway)

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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:06 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 45):
With UK having experienced terrorism in the past and this cannot be ruled out in the future as well, the PM should just stick to private aircraft.

As I note above, the PM is not as special as people are ascribing him to be in this thread - his death would be a tragedy, and a response would occur, but the disruption to the British Government would be nowhere near that of the US President being killed and the VP standing up.

People forget that our legislative and executive governing is done by the same group of people - the majority party in Parliament. The Deputy Prime Minister and the rest of the Cabinet would carry on as before, because they were all a central part of both the legislative agenda and the executive agenda while the PM was alive anyway.

Remember that we have had Prime Ministers stand down and hand over the reigns to someone else mid-term without any elections happening, any constitutional crisis, any issues and any outcry about it - imagine that happening in the US...
 
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:29 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 28):
The 757 is for the secretary of state and I think the VP has one too. The Pres has two 747-200s.

So what does the POTUS fly into fields that are too short or can't handle the seven four (chopper excluded)?

Or does he just only fly into seven four capable fields?
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RE: British Prime Minister Videoed On Easyjet Flight

Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:37 pm

The US President does use the 757s - Obama used one in February 2012 to fly to Florida, for instance, and as recently as July this year to fly into Tinker AFB.

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Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos