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Quoting Sydscott (Reply 5): From Jetstar: - Jetstar New Zealand op profitable for the first time |
Quoting absolutelyAN (Reply 1): Eight to replace Five!... So maybe some new destinations? |
Quoting A35J (Reply 3): Has QF converted all the options they had available for FY17/18? |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6): Finally Qantas buys the 787 for "Qantas" and not Jetstar. What took so long? It seems Qantas is the last major airline in the Asia-Pacific to fly the 787 but was among the first to order it. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6): |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6): What took so long? |
Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): |
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 5): Four to arrive in 2018 and 4 in 2019. |
Quoting absolutelyAN (Reply 1): Eight to replace Five!... So maybe some new destinations? |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 10): The first five options had a conversion date of FY2016, but QF pushed them back to FY2017. They also have six options due in FY2018, seven in FY2019 and two in FY2020. The purchase rights cover delivery positions between FY2020 and FY2025. |
Quoting bakestar (Thread starter): Someone said it a little while ago. Qantas are getting their mojo back. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 10): The first five options had a conversion date of FY2016, but QF pushed them back to FY2017. |
Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): Auckland, Dubai, Moscow, LAX, Dallas, MEX, Adiss Ababa, HKG, Bangkok, Tokyo, NYC and Santiago |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 12): A massive congratulations must go out to Qantas |
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 5): Jetstar New Zealand op profitable for the first time |
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 18): |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 12): While a lot of last years loss was an accounting exercise and fuel has certainly helped (although the decline of the AUD against the USD means that the overall impact wasn't as substantial as for the US carriers) |
Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): Qantas hints at new destinations to be able blocked by the B789: Auckland, Dubai, Moscow, LAX, Dallas, MEX, Adiss Ababa, HKG, Bangkok, Tokyo, NYC and Santiago. Posted on fb by Australian Business Traveler. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 24): Technically yes, the orders will be in USD. Anything that QF purchases now, though, will be more expensive than 2 years ago. It still made sense to wait until they could finance them on reasonable terms as it is quite possible that the 'cost of acquisition' (for want of a better phrase) is actually lower now than 12-24 months ago even if the purchase price is higher when expressed in AUD. There is probably also an element of 'speak now or forever hold your peace'. Qantas got a screaming deal on the 787s (rumors were in the $50 million range). That is a minuscule amount compared to what they would be on the hook for if they ordered the 787 or A350 today. Their costs on the long term would therefore be significantly higher if they let these options slip. |
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 26): Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): Qantas hints at new destinations to be able blocked by the B789: Auckland, Dubai, Moscow, LAX, Dallas, MEX, Adiss Ababa, HKG, Bangkok, Tokyo, NYC and Santiago. Posted on fb by Australian Business Traveler. Well you can forget Moscow, Adis Ababa... not happening. They'll put them onto the SYD-YVR route and possibly AKL-LAX if AA doesn't. Possible BNE-LAX-JFK with additional BNE-LAX 2-3x per week. |
Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 28): Can the 789 make SYD-DXB non-stop? |
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 18): But aren't these options more expensive now since the AUD has devalued so much ? Or do purchase rights cover currency fluctuation ? |
Quoting A35J (Reply 20): My guess would be the extra frames above replacement of the RR 744s being used to make BNE/MEL- |
Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): Qantas hints at new destinations to be able blocked by the B789: Auckland, Dubai, Moscow, LAX, Dallas, MEX, Adiss Ababa, HKG, Bangkok, Tokyo, NYC and Santiago. Posted on fb by Australian Business Traveler. |
Quoting A35J (Reply 20): |
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 26): |
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 31): SYD-SCL - needs the 744ERSYD-JNB - needs the 744ER |
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 27): there is in effect an almost natural hedge in the amount of USD revenue they derive which they can use to pay for Boeings. Whereas the amount QF derives in EURO is now less with EK & QF probably settling up in either USD or AUD and the London services generating GBP |
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 25): Ha! So the magical mystery turnaround in a year was really an exercise in "creative thinking". I'm sure retail invesotrs are thrilled. |
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 25): Interesting that JQ has called a halt to 788s. |
Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 28): Can the 789 make SYD-DXB non-stop? |
Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): Qantas hints at new destinations to be able blocked by the B789: Auckland, Dubai, Moscow, LAX, Dallas, MEX, Adiss Ababa, HKG, Bangkok, Tokyo, NYC and Santiago. |
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 5): Note that of the 8 789's ordered 5 are from the exercise of options and the other 3 are a conversion of the JQ 788 order into 789's. So no further 787's are going to Jetstar for now. |
Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): Qantas hints at new destinations to be able blocked by the B789: Auckland, Dubai, Moscow, LAX, Dallas, MEX, Adiss Ababa, HKG, Bangkok, Tokyo, NYC and Santiago. Posted on fb by Australian Business Traveler. |
Quoting A35J (Reply 20): That is a rather bizarre graphic, I certainly can't see Moscow and even less likely Addis Ababa ever being flown to by Qantas. |
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 26): Well you can forget Moscow, Adis Ababa... not happening. |
Quoting thekorean (Reply 34): So the red kangaroo can finally return to ICN??? Please? |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 37): They have 13 787s for 12 A330s, |
Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 39): Could we see the possibility of JQ pilots flying the 787-9's but with QF cabin crew? |
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 31): With 5 744's leaving the fleet and a net gain of only 3, the destinations for the 789's are relatively easy to pick: SYD-SCL - needs the 744ER SYD-JNB - needs the 744ER SYD-HKG - does it really need the 744? AJ has publicly said he's considering putting more capacity into HKG. So maybe we see a double daily SYD-HKG. SYD-HND - will probably stay Boeing 744. SYD-SFO - prime 789 route; BNE-LAX-JFK - prime 789 route; 2nd Daily SYD-LAX - 789 to replace the 744 SYD-YVR - prime 789 route. For growth I think the options are also relatively obvious: BNE-DXB - possible if EK needs more growth and would be good for QF loyalty; MEL-DFW - an obvious way to grow MEL; BNE-DFW - to make up for the loss of capacity with BNE-LAX going 789 |
Quoting travelhound (Reply 33): I would expect some of the five 747's to remain in the QANTAS fleet sometime after the 787's arrive |
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 40): It appears that there's limited growth opportunities for JQi. I would say that the expansion of Scoot/NokScoot, Indonesia Air Asia Extra/Thai Air Asia X are a threat to JQi. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 45): VH-OEB and VH-OJM are clearly not long for this world, but I really wouldn't be surprised if VH-OJS, VH-OJT, and VH-OJU stayed around until the end of the decade. |
Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 9): Qantas hints at new destinations to be able blocked by the B789: Auckland, Dubai, Moscow, LAX, Dallas, MEX, Adiss Ababa, HKG, Bangkok, Tokyo, NYC and Santiago. |
Quoting qf002 (Reply 43): Yes please! Though I would expect ICN to be an A330 route rather than a 787 one. |
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 40): It appears that there's limited growth opportunities for JQi. I would say that the expansion of Scoot/NokScoot, Indonesia Air Asia Extra/Thai Air Asia X are a threat to JQi. |
Quoting qf002 (Reply 14): It's also not good news for the A380s. |
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 31): With 5 744's leaving the fleet and a net gain of only 3, the destinations for the 789's are relatively easy to pick: |
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 31): The more interesting thing in this profit announcement so far is the lack of excitement about the A320NEO's coming into the Jetstar Group. It'll be really interesting to see which part of JQ gets those first! |
Quoting qf002 (Reply 43): Yes please! Though I would expect ICN to be an A330 route rather than a 787 one. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 45): QF27/28 is switched to the 789 operating 5-7 weekly depending on season |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 45): I really wouldn't be surprised if VH-OJS, VH-OJT, and VH-OJU stayed around until the end of the decade. |
Quoting allrite (Reply 48): Connecting the Asian Jetstar franchises with Australia (Japan/Singapore) |
Quoting allrite (Reply 48): Pathfinder flights to new destinations that can be cancelled without so much risk to the reputation to Qantas mainline (China?) |