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Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:57 pm

"VANCOUVER – Toxicology results have found one of the pilots on board a cargo plane that crashed in the North Shore Mountains in April with a significant level of alcohol in their system.

Search and rescue crews began a search after a cargo plane and its two-person crew went missing after departing from Vancouver on April 13. The next day the bodies of the two pilots were found, according to the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre. The pilot was identified as Robert Brandt, aged 34, and the co-pilot was Kevin Wang, aged 32, both residents of the Vancouver area.

The bodies were tested by the coroners office and determined an alcohol level of 0.24 per cent in Brandt’s system. No other substance were found in his body. For Wang, the co-pilot, investigators found “no drugs or alcohol of relevance” in his system."


URL: http://globalnews.ca/news/1935907/up...-aboard-crashed-cargo-plane-found/


Wonder if cargo pilots will get the same level of scrutiny as commercial passenger pilots do?
 
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:36 am

Too bad no CVR or DFDR (not required for this size plane). Wonder who PF was . . . . ?
 
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:29 am

On News 1130 they were saying the blood levels were consistent with having consumed alcohol a very short time before the flight or even during. As they took off at 7am, thats either a liquid breakfast or he came straight from a party... Im struggling to believe poor Kevin didnt smell or notice anything if he was that pissed and let him get as far as firing the engines up.
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:03 am

Quoting kamloops (Thread starter):
Wonder if cargo pilots will get the same level of scrutiny as commercial passenger pilots do?

Pikers compared to the Air Baltic copilot.  Entire Flight Crew Arrested, Were "drunk". (by Thunderboltdrgn Aug 8 2015 in Civil Aviation)


What was shocking was that the first officer had 1.35 promille alcohol in his blood.


  


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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:42 am

Tragic story, tragic ending. My understanding is that the FO had just joined Carson and was under line indoctrination training. Brandt was a Line Indoc Captain.
 
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:42 am

Quoting pek777 (Reply 3):

A pilot who can not control his nerves and needs alcohol to do that should only fly a desk, period.
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:48 am

Quoting kamloops (Thread starter):
an alcohol level of 0.24 per cent

I´m sure they mean 0,24 per mille!!
 
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:59 am

Quoting peterjohns (Reply 7):
Quoting kamloops (Thread starter):
an alcohol level of 0.24 per cent

I´m sure they mean 0,24 per mille!!

No, they meant 0.24 per cent.
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:07 am

Well, If understand it correctly, 0.24 percent translates into 2.4 per mille, so that indeed suggests heavy drinking, much worse than the AirBaltic incident even.
 
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:45 am

52 millimoles per litre, or 0.24 per cent BAC

A fully functioning brain dead drunk.. who due to impairment couldn't fly in IMC, and killed himself and his trainee.

[Edited 2015-08-20 01:54:14]
 
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:35 pm

This sounds odd....how can someone that inebriated not have enough fine, much less gross motor function, to configure the aircraft for TO, taxi, line it up and take off? I would think that being this shitfaced, he would have drove it off the side of the runway...how far along the flight did the crash occur, right after rotation? Much less the trainee not smelling the fumes that had to be coming off of him to take appropriate action, and I would be surprised if the DUI module was not part of his training.
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:24 pm

Quoting bhill (Reply 11):
Much less the trainee not smelling the fumes that had to be coming off of him to take appropriate action, and I would be surprised if the DUI module was not part of his training.

Seems like a lot of victim blaming in your post, which seems unduly harsh given the circumstances. The trainee very well could never have known the pilot he was with was drunk or impaired. Alcoholics can be very good at hiding their inebriation.
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:25 pm

Quoting bhill (Reply 11):

You have to understand that alcoholics can tolerate way more than the average/norm drinker. What would have most people out like a light may have these people warmed up....only way you would tell is by the smell, not their actions. To them it is normal, and if they can pass as a functional person then smell or doing something slightly different is their downfall.
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:47 am

Quoting bhill (Reply 11):
how far along the flight did the crash occur, right after rotation?

The accident aircraft took off from YVR at 06:43 and ATC lost contact with it at 07:08, while at an altitude of 2400m. But the timing seems off to me...a climbing Metroliner should be able to cover that distance (roughly 18nm) in less than half the time.
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RE: Pilot In Cargo Crash Had Alcohol In Blood System

Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:43 pm

Quoting threepoint (Reply 14):

As I understand it there are noise abatement procedures off the 08 runways at that hour of the morning at YVR, for the accent over the city. The aircraft lost 8000ft in 20 seconds in IMC when crossing over the north shore mountains.

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