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AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:12 pm

Several ORD routes were slated to be taken over by A321s in the coming months, but it appears that has changed. Both DFW-ORD and ORD-LAX were showing several slots operated by 321s starting in the next few months, but now all routes have gone back to MD-80s and 738s. What's the delay?

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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:02 am

I've noticed them flying between JFK- DFW/MCO/MIA and even DCA the last couple of months. I'm not sure if that's just a coincidence or not.
 
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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:30 am

Perhaps the business case for the A321 on LAX-ORD is shifting. In my experience, this route is in need of a bit more capacity, as I'm seeing all of my flights being completely sold. So using the A321 instead of the 738 has some merit. That said, we are starting to see soft pricing on ORD-LAX (and SFO), particularly compared to SNA and SAN. So AA probably wants to watch its seating capacity here.

BTW, has anyone else noticed that AA hardly flies the 738s with new seats on ORD-LAX? It is using the version with the more basic (and uncomfortable) seats and w/o individual entertainment. Seems odd on such a high volume route.
 
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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:47 pm

Are we talking the swish new premium-heavy transcontinental A321s, or are we talking pmUS A321s?

If we're talking about routes that might need extra capacity, my suggestion is SFO/ORD. It is my weekly commute at the moment (and will be for the next few months) and every flight I have been on in both directions has been full.
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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:18 pm

Quoting vhtje (Reply 3):

Are we talking the swish new premium-heavy transcontinental A321s, or are we talking pmUS A321s?

Neither. They're the versions that Airbus is currently delivering to AA as L-AA planes and 752 replacements. 16 F seats, 38 MCE seats, and 127 Y seats (181 in all), with AVOD at each seat and sharklets unlike the L-US birds.

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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:23 pm

Was booking a flight for late January ORD-LAX and both flights showed the 321 for the round trip.
 
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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:12 pm

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 2):
BTW, has anyone else noticed that AA hardly flies the 738s with new seats on ORD-LAX? It is using the version with the more basic (and uncomfortable) seats and w/o individual entertainment. Seems odd on such a high volume route.

I'm not certain there's as much thought behind placement of AVOD 737s as we all think. I figured they'd roll out to the more competitive routes first, but I've had them on LAX-SFO several times - hardly a route that merits a premium IFE offering. LAX-IAD always got the old clunkers... usually not even with the Sky Interior (it's flown by US Airbuses now). I had one of the "vintage" 737s on LAX-BOS last month as well.

The only route where it seems you can always rely on AVOD-equipped 737s is LAX-DCA.
 
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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:35 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if ORD-JFK (I believe AA has one or two daily flights) sees it, because JFK is a pilot base for the A321. And I won't be surprised either if eventually ORD-SFO, ORD-BOS and ORD-MIA see it as well, although some of those flights will still be 738s. It seems to me that all domestic flights where you used to see the 757 will now see the A321, which is not surprising because the A321 is the domestic 757 replacement. ORD-LAX already sees it.

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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:26 pm

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 2):
BTW, has anyone else noticed that AA hardly flies the 738s with new seats on ORD-LAX? It is using the version with the more basic (and uncomfortable) seats and w/o individual entertainment. Seems odd on such a high volume route.

When there are multiple seating configurations for one aircraft, AA often segregates planes with one configuration at a hub. That way, if a plane goes tech, they don't have to worry about finding another plane with the exact same configuration, if they do an aircraft swap.

When AA started taking delivery of the 738s in 2009, they had a different seat configuration than the 738s delivered in 1999-2002. At one point, all of the 738s flying out of ORD were the older 738s that hadn't had the cabin refurbishment and reconfiguration.
 
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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:01 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 8):
When there are multiple seating configurations for one aircraft, AA often segregates planes with one configuration at a hub.

I see both configurations at ORD.

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 6):
I'm not certain there's as much thought behind placement of AVOD 737s as we all think. I

I think you're probably right. There is a lot of areas where there is probably little, if any, thought, and that's what keeps this board going i guess.
 
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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:20 pm

Don't forget that US has a large number of 321's, and they will be in the same configuration as the AA non transcon birds. That's why the LUS AA 321's (non transcon) are being delivered with 16 F. The US birds still have a few more seats, until they get Main Cabin Extra, when they will have the exact same configuration. As we go forward, there will be some cross-fleeting so I could easily see more 321's showing up on routes having heavy demand, including ex-ORD.
 
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RE: AA A321s Make Appearance At ORD

Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:30 pm

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 2):

BTW, has anyone else noticed that AA hardly flies the 738s with new seats on ORD-LAX? It is using the version with the more basic (and uncomfortable) seats and w/o individual entertainment. Seems odd on such a high volume route.

The higher density 737's are 160 config (16F144Y) and are the 738D's... The "nicer ones" are the 150 config with 16F150Y. I prefer those hand over fist to the D models!!

This is all part of the integration as well as maximizing revenue opportunities. Every week we're retiring a Super 80 and something has to fill it. If given the opportunity to take an LAA 738D to an LAA A321H. I'd pick the H model.

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