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Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:14 pm

Good afternoon all!

I have two domestic DL 767-300 legs coming up in September (ATL-LAX-ATL) and was curious about the DL domestic 767 fleet interiors. The only domestic photo in the database is a JFK-LAX which appears to have the newest 767 cabin (see below).

Have previously read the domestic (non-ER) 767-300 are not in the best shape, are these interiors completely different than the international birds when it comes to seats and PTV?

Either way cannot complain. Scored a domestic widebody round trip for 25k round trip + $11 taxes.

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Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:29 pm

I'm not sure what the non-ER birds have but I must say I REALLY enjoyed my flight on an ER on LHR-BOS a few months ago. In Comfort+ it was very comfortable, IFE worked great, service/food was quite good. I think I enjoyed it more than the VS 787-9 I took on the outbound leg.

Anyway, I digress. Hopefully the non-ERs that stay in the fleet do have the upgrades like the ERs, but it also will be nice to have that batch of ERs moved to domestic ops.
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Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:35 pm

It depends on which configuration 767 you end up on.... all of them have PTVs and are in reasonably good shape. If you're on the old 767-300 non-ER configuration, known as 76Q, those are retiring and don't have the latest interiors but still have functional PTVs. The bins are the older style and space can be tight. The seats are comfy but worn and the covers may show some wear.

Overall it should be a pleasant experience. Thanks for flying Delta!
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:50 pm

JFK/LAX utilizes BusinessElite-configured 763, not the domestic version. In September, one or two flights (depending on the date) utilizing this equipment operates ATL/LAX -- you can identify them via the flatbed icon on DL's schedules.

Here's the interior of N125DL (domestic 763) as she appeared last November after a DTW/LAS flight:
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Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:07 pm

Thanks for the info! I assumed JFK-LAX/SFO would be a premium products hence why I asked.

Still doesn't look too terrible, but understand the comments of it being "tired". I checked my flights and both do not indicate flat bed for first, however they strangely they indicate USB charging for economy which I know the old PTV do not offer.

Either way still very happy to be on a domestic widebody flight, now to justify the $89 upgrade to Comfort+ for the free booze and the CF6 buzzsaw at takeoff.  
 
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Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:13 pm

Quoting pezzy669 (Reply 4):
Still doesn't look too terrible, but understand the comments of it being "tired". I checked my flights and both do not indicate flat bed for first, however they strangely they indicate USB charging for economy which I know the old PTV do not offer.

They do have USB charging, located under the seat. They're tricky to find, and most FA are clueless & will insist the aircraft doesn't have them, but they're there.
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Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:17 pm

I just flew aboard one of these birds from SAN-ATL on August 8. The interior of the Non-ER planes is not like the one you pictured, but it is not ancient and outdated.

First, the IFE is small, but very functional.

The bins are not Boeing signature style, meaning they are a bit small.

The seats are actually quite comfortable, and width is not a problem.

DL seems to do a good job of keeping the interior clean, especially the Lavatory.

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Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:19 pm

Note that domestic F on the non-ER domestic 763s is generally not recommended, since the seats are only 0.5" wider than Y and the pitch isn't great either, especially if someone reclines. Some actually recommend flying Comfort+ instead of domestic F on these aircraft.

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Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:58 pm

The 767 is my choice for economy - amazingly comfortable, considering. First is absolutely the pits, especially on my beloved Delta. No way will I fly a 767 with them in first. Not when the Y ticket is one third the price, and the seat is about just as comfortable. Regardless, the torture is over in 3½ hours, thankfully.
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:11 am

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 8):
The 767 is my choice for economy - amazingly comfortable, considering. First is absolutely the pits, especially on my beloved Delta. No way will I fly a 767 with them in first. Not when the Y ticket is one third the price, and the seat is about just as comfortable. Regardless, the torture is over in 3½ hours, thankfully.

Domestic configured 767-300 non-ER, yes. The flat-bed 767s are real nice in First.
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:25 am

The 763 domestic is my fav domestic a/c to fly on. I love flying the 763ER and 764 but the domestic ones are quite a treat to fly on. Great interiors and love flying a wide body within the US . It sure is hard to find these around though. Pretty much non existent on the ATL SLC ATL routes except once a day.
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:11 am

Note that DL plans on converting 10 of the 763ERs into domestic configuration once most of the non-ER 763s are retired. Also, there are currently no plans to retire the four ETOPS non-ER domestic 763s used on Hawaii flights.
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:16 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
known as 76Q,

76Ps have matching cabins.
 
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:59 am

Aside from being a widebody, there isn't much in the positive column for DL's domestic 763s. I've flown it up front and in back. Twin aisles and live TV (if it works) are the positives. The negatives are basically everything else. Up front it's very tight. Low pitch and width. I back, I've found the economy seats to be very uncomfortable--hard and poorly contoured. The interior is well worn, and the small overhead bins are a problem for commonly-sized carry-ons. The airplane fan in me likes an old domestic widebody, but otherwise it's a poor product.
 
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 11):

Note that DL plans on converting 10 of the 763ERs into domestic configuration once most of the non-ER 763s are retired. Also, there are currently no plans to retire the four ETOPS non-ER domestic 763s used on Hawaii flights.

Anyone heard if they'll be getting the exact configuration of the existing domestic 763s? As in, same seats and layout?

As someone else mentioned, the nostalgia and av geek in me likes flying on the non-er 763s, but the product is really lacking, at least in the front.

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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:40 pm

Quoting jb1087xna (Reply 14):
Anyone heard if they'll be getting the exact configuration of the existing domestic 763s? As in, same seats and layout?

Neither DL nor any reputable source has confirmed any plans to convert -ER into domestic configuration; at this point, it's just a rumor.

Quoting jb1087xna (Reply 14):
As someone else mentioned, the nostalgia and av geek in me likes flying on the non-er 763s, but the product is really lacking, at least in the front.

Huh? There's over 1,100 aircraft (including Connection) that operate domestic services for DL and about 170 of them have PTVs and fewer than 250 have power. In other words, the 763 are amongst the 15% of the fleet that has PTV, and 22% of the fleet that has power. The product is hardly lacking -- it's among the best in DL's fleet. Yes, in some respects the aircraft are showing their age. Yes, if you're a large person F might be less comfortable than other aircraft. But every equipment type has its flaws, and the 763 are hardly lacking.
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting pezzy669 (Thread starter):

Good afternoon all!

I have two domestic DL 767-300 legs coming up in September (ATL-LAX-ATL) and was curious about the DL domestic 767 fleet interiors. The only domestic photo in the database is a JFK-LAX which appears to have the newest 767 cabin (see below).

Have previously read the domestic (non-ER) 767-300 are not in the best shape, are these interiors completely different than the international birds when it comes to seats and PTV?

You would be on one of the U.S. airlines better products in Y. The seats are far better and more comfortable than the offering from UA or AA. I would suggest that you look at upgrading to a business or first seat, I am not sure which you would have available for your flights, but it is well worth the money in my experience.
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:55 pm

Quoting Compensateme (Reply 15):
Huh? There's over 1,100 aircraft (including Connection) that operate domestic services for DL and about 170 of them have PTVs and fewer than 250 have power. In other words, the 763 are amongst the 15% of the fleet that has PTV, and 22% of the fleet that has power. The product is hardly lacking -- it's among the best in DL's fleet. Yes, in some respects the aircraft are showing their age. Yes, if you're a large person F might be less comfortable than other aircraft. But every equipment type has its flaws, and the 763 are hardly lacking.

I wasn't comparing it to anything that wouldn't operate side-by-side on the same routes. So in most cases it'd be against the 739 or a 757 variant.
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:04 pm

The domestic 763s have the same vintage/generation interiors as the PMDL 757s with PTVs (75X).

The domestic 763s are used on most domestic trunk routes in parallel with 739ER, 757, 753s. The biggest advantage with the 763 over the others is the 2x3x2 configuration in Y versus 3x3 on the narrowbodies.

The nostalgia of domestic widebody flying is nice too for the av geeks as said.

The interiors are not as "fresh" as the 739ERs or refurbished 753s but those too have their flaws. I purposely will book a 763 over the others though for the widebody and cabin config.

I have never flown up front on the domestic 763s, so can't speak to that.
 
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:47 pm

I'm booked on a JFK - LAX flight with DL in September, it was scheduled for a 763ER but now it's showing a 764 but the seat map doesn't match on seatguru. I didn't think the 764s were used for domestics. Our seatmap shows 7 rows in business then Delta Comfort starting as row 12, can anyone offer any help?
 
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:17 pm

Quoting jb1087xna (Reply 17):
I wasn't comparing it to anything that wouldn't operate side-by-side on the same routes. So in most cases it'd be against the 739 or a 757 variant.

But that doesn't address how the 763 is lacking compared to the 739 and 757. Yes, the 739 and refurbished 757 & 753 have better entertainment systems and more aesthetically pleasing cabins but they also have thinner seats & tighter seat pitches. The 763 have older bins which are difficult to accommodate modern carry-ons... but they also have significantly more overhead space than the 739 & 757, and finding space is rarely an issue.

Everybody has preferences, but it's difficult to justify the statement that the 763 is lacking. The hard product is far better than 80% of the other domestic aircraft and barely 5% of the entire domestic fleet has the latest generation product.

Quoting darentyczynski (Reply 19):
I'm booked on a JFK - LAX flight with DL in September, it was scheduled for a 763ER but now it's showing a 764 but the seat map doesn't match on seatguru. I didn't think the 764s were used for domestics. Our seatmap shows 7 rows in business then Delta Comfort starting as row 12, can anyone offer any help?

It's not uncommon to see BusinessElite-configured aircraft operating a handful of domestic flights (mostly JFK/DTW/ATL-LAX/SFO/SEA/MCO) in the early fall months. That said, you're not describing a 763 or 764 so I'm not sure what plane you're on. Are you viewing the seat map on DL.com?
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:21 pm

Quoting Compensateme (Reply 15):
Neither DL nor any reputable source has confirmed any plans to convert -ER into domestic configuration; at this point, it's just a rumor.

It's been confirmed as 10 frames internally but I don't think we've decided which configuration or ships they're going to be yet.

Quoting darentyczynski (Reply 19):
I'm booked on a JFK - LAX flight with DL in September, it was scheduled for a 763ER but now it's showing a 764 but the seat map doesn't match on seatguru. I didn't think the 764s were used for domestics. Our seatmap shows 7 rows in business then Delta Comfort starting as row 12, can anyone offer any help?

Which day in September? The 767-400ER doesn't normally do domestic runs but it's possible.
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:16 pm

Quoting Compensateme (Reply 20):

Thanks for the reply, yeah I'm viewing this on delta.com

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 21):

I'm travelling on the 17th on DL424. On delta.com, it says a 763 but when you click 'view seat' it's showing as '767-400'. Our return on the 19th is also showing the same now.
 
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting darentyczynski (Reply 22):
I'm travelling on the 17th on DL424. On delta.com, it says a 763 but when you click 'view seat' it's showing as '767-400'. Our return on the 19th is also showing the same now.

The "767-400ER" is an error. It's a 767-300ER. Here's match to seatguru:

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Del..._Airlines_Boeing_767-300ER_76Z.php
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:26 pm

Quoting Compensateme (Reply 23):

Thanks for checking that, appreciated.
 
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:34 pm

Quoting Compensateme (Reply 5):
They do have USB charging, located under the seat. They're tricky to find, and most FA are clueless & will insist the aircraft doesn't have them, but they're there.

Thanks for the heads up! Hopefully I'll be able to find the port, was assuming no on these as a 75X that I flew ATL-PHX-ATL did not have them and the 763 appears to have the same IFE.

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 6):

I just flew aboard one of these birds from SAN-ATL on August 8. The interior of the Non-ER planes is not like the one you pictured, but it is not ancient and outdated.

First, the IFE is small, but very functional.

The bins are not Boeing signature style, meaning they are a bit small.

The seats are actually quite comfortable, and width is not a problem.

DL seems to do a good job of keeping the interior clean, especially the Lavatory.

Thanks for the info. The IFE appears the same as on the 75X (see note below) which I found decent, albeit VERY slow to respond.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 16):
You would be on one of the U.S. airlines better products in Y. The seats are far better and more comfortable than the offering from UA or AA. I would suggest that you look at upgrading to a business or first seat, I am not sure which you would have available for your flights, but it is well worth the money in my experience.

Ehhhh the most I may do is an E+ upgrade, however pretty bitter pill to swallow at $89 each way for a 4.5 hour flight. I'm of average size (5'10") with short legs (29-30" inseam) so I rarely if ever have problems with space in the back. The closest I have ever been to having an issue was on an AirBerlin A330 with 30" pitch in back.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 18):
The domestic 763s have the same vintage/generation interiors as the PMDL 757s with PTVs (75X).

Ahhhh the system on the old Song birds. Have been on a 75X from DTW-ATL as well as ATL-PHX-ATL earlier in the year, not a bad system but geez they are painfully slow. Better than nothing!
 
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:45 pm

Quoting Compensateme (Reply 20):
But that doesn't address how the 763 is lacking compared to the 739 and 757. Yes, the 739 and refurbished 757 & 753 have better entertainment systems and more aesthetically pleasing cabins but they also have thinner seats & tighter seat pitches. The 763 have older bins which are difficult to accommodate modern carry-ons... but they also have significantly more overhead space than the 739 & 757, and finding space is rarely an issue.

Everybody has preferences, but it's difficult to justify the statement that the 763 is lacking. The hard product is far better than 80% of the other domestic aircraft and barely 5% of the entire domestic fleet has the latest generation product.

They may have thinner seats, but I don't think they have a leg-up on either the 739 or 757 in pitch, at least up front. I spent an entire SEA-ATL leg on a 763 with a seat reclined into my face. I'm not a big guy, 5'7, 150lb. I couldn't get out of my seat without my seat mate getting up, and even then, it took effort to not grab the seats in the row ahead. I also could never visually find any power charger below my seat because of how close the seat in front of me was...I had to feel around and hope that I could fit the plugs in. That experience may be equal to others on a 739 or 757, but since that SEA-ATL flight, I've chosen the bulkhead to avoid that mess again.
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:00 pm

The port is located in-between the seats like below the armrest just below the seats. There is also an ethernet port located with it, it is hard to find but its there.
 
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Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:11 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 21):
It's been confirmed as 10 frames internally but I don't think we've decided which configuration or ships they're going to be yet.

With all due respect, there has been no confirmation of finite plans shared with the employees. I believe DL is exploring options to replace its 763, and I believe one of those options shared with employees is up to 10 763/ER, but I don't believe DL has committed itself to such option as of yet. If domestic airfares remain strong, I don't doubt they'll go with this option.

Quoting jb1087xna (Reply 26):
They may have thinner seats, but I don't think they have a leg-up on either the 739 or 757 in pitch, at least up front. I spent an entire SEA-ATL leg on a 763 with a seat reclined into my face. I'm not a big guy, 5'7, 150lb. I couldn't get out of my seat without my seat mate getting up, and even then, it took effort to not grab the seats in the row ahead. I also could never visually find any power charger below my seat because of how close the seat in front of me was...I had to feel around and hope that I could fit the plugs in. That experience may be equal to others on a 739 or 757, but since that SEA-ATL flight, I've chosen the bulkhead to avoid that mess again.

Thank you for your response, and I appreciate that you enjoy DL's newest generation interiors, but I'll still refute your assertion that the hard product is lacking when 85% of the domestic fleet lacks PTVs and 80% of it power. The one thing I love about 763 is that I'm pretty guaranteed a 763. Too many of my 738 & 757 flights that were suppose to have power have been swapped to equipment without them. I've even had 738 replace 739 on a couple of occasions.
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:29 pm

Quoting Compensateme (Reply 28):
Thank you for your response, and I appreciate that you enjoy DL's newest generation interiors, but I'll still refute your assertion that the hard product is lacking when 85% of the domestic fleet lacks PTVs and 80% of it power. The one thing I love about 763 is that I'm pretty guaranteed a 763. Too many of my 738 & 757 flights that were suppose to have power have been swapped to equipment without them. I've even had 738 replace 739 on a couple of occasions.

When compared to types that fly the same routes, the 85% and 80% figures come down quite a bit.
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:46 pm

Quoting jb1087xna (Reply 29):
When compared to types that fly the same routes, the 85% and 80% figures come down quite a bit.

Than a better assertion would be that you find the 763 lacking compared to other types flying the routes alongside them from ATL (because A320, M90 and non-refurbed 757 operate alongside the 763 from MSP & DTW)  .

Glad you have the flexibility, though; I'm typically bound by departure time, so rarely do I get to "pick" equipment.
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Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:47 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 13):
and the small overhead bins are a problem for commonly-sized carry-ons.

This is a red herring because there are so many bins. I've flown plenty of 763 flights ranging in length from ATL-JAX to ATL-SCL and have never seen a 763 run out of bin space.
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Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:42 am

Quoting Compensateme (Reply 28):
Too many of my 738 & 757 flights that were suppose to have power have been swapped to equipment without them.

Amen. If I had a dollar for everytime....It's not quite as prevalent now that many of the 75X's have been sent to Marana but boy back in the day I'd say 1/4 of my flights on 75X's would end up generic 757's - which always pissed me off because not only now personal-power but also LiveTV. And these were mostly flights I had booked for that specific type.
 
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RE: Delta Domestic 767-300 Economy Cabin? (Seats/PTV)

Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:52 pm

Quoting Compensateme (Reply 20):
It's not uncommon to see BusinessElite-configured aircraft operating a handful of domestic flights (mostly JFK/DTW/ATL-LAX/SFO/SEA/MCO) in the early fall months. That said, you're not describing a 763 or 764 so I'm not sure what plane you're on. Are you viewing the seat map on DL.com?

I would maybe look at the seat map closer to the date you are travelling on say a couple of days before to really determine which type of aircraft you would be flying.
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Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos