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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:00 pm

Quoting bluejackets (Reply 49):
I could certainly see MCI as a gateway further west. AUS and JAX possibly, but I see MSY and MKE as least likely fits.

All are good proposals as we look forward to the future at CMH!

I think your ranking is probably spot on. The one I left out was BDL, but that would be even further down the list. As far a long, long, long shot goes.. if B6 were to return, an SRQ-CMH flight would be fun to see. There are very strong ties between central Ohio and the gulf coast of Florida and it would be something no one else would offer. The likelihood of that is probably somewhere between -10 and 0.

I agree with you and others about the future at CMH. With the population and economic growth of the area, there will have to be increased service reflected in added flights and/or increased capacity. I think the canary in the coal mine(s) are the AA flights to CLT and the DL flights to MSP. If mainline service returns full-time on some or a majority of those flights (other than just around holidays), then the true era of large scale CMH expansion will have begun.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:47 am

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 38):
So here is a comparison between CMH 1985 and CMH April 4, 2016.

Fantastic post. Thanks very much for providing the retrospective of air service at CMH.

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 47):
As for destinations, what does anyone think about new destinations for Southwest from CMH

HOU and MCI.

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 47):
the possibility of DL starting SEA?

Seattle is still a bit of a long shot. The lasted DOT statistics show a relatively paltry 94 PPDEW between CMH and SEA. Even with connections, Delta or Alaska would be hard-pressed to fill a 737 let alone find the yields to make dedicating an aircraft to that route profitable.

LHR won't happen without some substantial revenue guarantees.

Personally, I would like to see some of the higher volume/yield O&D destinations that have been lost over the years return. I was hoping that Delta would backfill the void left when Frontier discontinued the last of the former Midwest routes out of MKE such as CMH, however that never came to fruition. I've also long hoped for the return of CMH-BDL service on Delta. Unfortunately yields are not there to maintain continuous profitable service while at the same time not cannibalizing hub traffic. Though in a perfect world, this is what I would like to see as DL's schedule from CMH:

BOS: 3x daily E70
BDL: 2x daily E45 - not currently served -
LGA: 6x daily E70/CR7 mix
JFK: 3x daily E45
DCA: 2x daily E45 - not currently served -
RDU: 2x daily E45
ATL: 8x daily 737/M88 mix
MCO: 1x daily E70 - currently served 1x weekly -
DTW: 8x daily CR9/E45 mix
MKE: 2x daily E45 - not currently served -
MSP: 5x daily M88/E70/CRJ mix
SLC: 1x daily 319 - not currently served -
LAX: 1x daily 738
RSW: 1x weekly E70
MIA: 1x weekly E70
TPA 1x weekly E70
CUN: 1x weekly M88
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:59 pm

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 51):
HOU and MCI.

I feel like Homer Simpson, the CMH-HOU add is probably one of the most obvious adds in the entire Southwest System.
It certainly appears that Southwest is very serious about the CMH market and that their success has likely exceeded their expectations. Can't wait to see just how big they get in a few years.

I think your CMH DL Route Map of the future is pretty spot on... increasing the MCO and perhaps TPA flights to Daily would seem to make a great deal of sense, but I cant imagine they would make a great deal of $$ on them, especially with the Alllegiant presence at LCK.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:42 pm

The latest Ohio changes from Enrilia's OAG changes thread.

New
AA CVG-LGA JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3
- All three daily’s are currently showing as E-170’s

Changes
AA DCA-CAK DEC 1.4>1.0
DL CVG-BWI DEC 1.6>1.1
DL DTW-CMH OCT 7>6

Cancelled
DL CVG-GRR OCT 0.8>0 NOV 0.8>0
- I’m pretty sure this was cancelled once before then they brought it back
DL CVG-PIT OCT 0.8>0.0 NOV 0.8>0.0
DL CVG-RIC OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.8>0
- My guess is that all three of these are seasonal
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:37 am

Inspired by brooklynchris13, I decided to put together a "then-and-now" brief of service at CVG.

More destinations but less frequency. Granted February is a crap month, but mainline service at CVG is pitiful nowadays.




CVG Departures, February 1985
Peak daily flights: 198
Destinations: 41
113 mainline; 85 regional

Comair: 78x
Delta: 51x
USAir: 11x
Piedmont: 9x
Midway: 4x
United: 5x
American: 6x
Pan Am: 1x
Republic: 16x
Trans Midwest: 1x
Continental: 1x
Britt: 5x
Florida Express: 3x
TWA: 7x

Total by airline:
Comair: 78 regional
Delta: 51 mainline
USAir: 11 mainline
Piedmont: 9 mainline
Midway: 4 mainline
United: 5 mainline
American: 6 mainline
Pan Am: 1 mainline
Republic: 16 mainline
Trans Midwest: 1 regional
Continental: 1 mainline
Britt: 5 regional
Florida Express: 3 mainline
TWA: 7 mainline

____________________________________

CVG Departures, February 2016
Peak daily flights: 156
Destinations: 54
31 mainline; 125 regional

Delta: 83x
American: 36x
United: 22x
Air Canada: 3x
Allegiant: 5x
Frontier: 5x
Ultimate Air Shuttle: 2x

Total by airline:
Delta: 21 mainline; 62 regional
American: 36 regional
United: 22 regional
Air Canada: 3 regional
Allegiant: 5 mainline
Frontier: 5 mainline
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:13 am

Quoting bluejackets:
This helps to further fuel potential for a future AA CMH-LHR flight.

I think we'd see CLE-LHR on AA or BA before we do at CMH. Even CVG before Columbus. Cleveland is a more international city, a larger business center, and has a much larger population (3.5M catchment area) than Columbus. Also, the AA MIA-CMH service is a typical feeder route to AA's hub at MIA (not moving pax from Miami to Columbus to points beyond).

Quoting brooklynchris13:
Hello everyone. In the face of all of the recent developments at CMH, I was curious what the differences are between now and "the good old days" (which for me were the mid 1980s...) So here is a comparison between CMH 1985 and CMH April 4, 2016.

Great post, thanks brooklynchris!
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 55):
I think we'd see CLE-LHR on AA or BA before we do at CMH. Even CVG before Columbus. Cleveland is a more international city, a larger business center, and has a much larger population (3.5M catchment area) than Columbus. Also, the AA MIA-CMH service is a typical feeder route to AA's hub at MIA (not moving pax from Miami to Columbus to points beyond).

You are welcome, my pleasure to share some data. I have to disagree though on who will be first in Ohio to get LHR service. Although you are ceryainly correct about the larger catchment area up north, Columbus is a growing market that is only seeing increases in population, economic activity, international interest, etc. If that growth continues then I have no doubt they will see non-stop service, just not as soon as some hope. (AUS would be a similar thought here) Additionally, with such a large AA presence at CMH, they could route passengers through CMH onto an LHR flight. It might not be the preferred way for someone from DFW, ORD, or MIA to get to LHR, but it would be an option and help to fill seats.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:22 pm

Looks like the Enquirer picked up on Allegiant's schedule adds at CVG:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/mone...r-cvg-new-orleans-austin/72288254/

CVG-AUS and CVG-MSY will now be operated year-round.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:57 pm

Rumor has it that DHL's (Atlas') 767 MSP-TOL-CVG and return is moving to DTW on October 4th or 5th. Will update when I get more information. The lease has been month to month since it started after DB Schenker closed the BAX hub back in 2011.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting bluejackets (Reply 30):
5x daily to DFW

On top of that, this went all-mainline fairly recently, didn't it? I just remember seeing 2 MD-80s RON coming in one night, wondering what happened, and being surprised to see they were both scheduled (along with three more the next day).

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 38):
CMH Departures April 2016

Great stuff! Interesting to see the destinations which are gone as compared to those which have been added in those 30 years.

CRW, CLE, CVG, DAY, IND, Lima, MCI, MFD, SDF, MKE, PIT, PKB, ROA, SRQ gone;
BNA, CLT, CUN, DAL, DCA, DEN, IAD, LAX, LAS, MIA, MDW, OAK, PHX, RDU, RSW in, plus FPO and PUJ if you want to count scheduled charters.

...and MKE seems like OneJet fodder, with MCI being a probable WN target.

Another interesting thing to think about are the names have come and gone at CMH in the last 15 years: TWA, Midway, Independence, Skybus, JetBlue, Continental, Northwest, AirTran, Midwest Express, Frontier (first through YX merger and left, returned briefly until they jumped ship for CVG and CLE), America West, US Airways. Of those, the only still in existence are F9 and B6.

The new ticket lobby is attractive, but boy, is it going to have some blank walls unless somebody (B6, NK, F9, VX, AS, BA, OneJet, whomever) shows up.

Quoting bluejackets (Reply 49):
I could certainly see MCI as a gateway further west. AUS and JAX possibly, but I see MSY and MKE as least likely fits

YX/F9 and DL have both run CMH-MCI in the past.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:06 am

CVG just posted their August stats: up 9.74% year-over-year

http://cvgairport.com/docs/default-s...stats/cvg-stats-2015.pdf?sfvrsn=16

Pretty impressive, great to see some life finally being blown into the airport.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:49 pm

Cross-posted from another thread (and suggested to be brought up here by flyguy89), DL drops CVG-PIT/GRR/RIC, blaming the pilot shortage (in part).

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/mone...elta-cuts-cvg-pittsburgh/72564132/

Sounds like ORD, STL, BNA, MCI, EWR, BDL will be upgauged.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:33 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 61):
Cross-posted from another thread (and suggested to be brought up here by flyguy89), DL drops CVG-PIT/GRR/RIC, blaming the pilot shortage (in part).

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/mone...elta-cuts-cvg-pittsburgh/72564132/

Sounds like ORD, STL, BNA, MCI, EWR, BDL will be upgauged.

Thanks, DeltaRules, looks like the other thread has already taken a life of its own however.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:12 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 59):
On top of that, this went all-mainline fairly recently, didn't it? I just remember seeing 2 MD-80s RON coming in one night, wondering what happened, and being surprised to see they were both scheduled (along with three more the next day).

Actually, I believe that CMH-DFW has always been all mainline with MD80s being on the route for a long, long time. I seem to recall some F100s for a time, after the 722s went away, but I do not think there was ever regular AE service on the route. The 5th daily is the "new" part, which may have something to do with the "banking" effort at the hubs post-merger. Again, I could be wrong on that, if anyone has better information, please share.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:28 pm

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 63):
Actually, I believe that CMH-DFW has always been all mainline with MD80s being on the route for a long, long time. I seem to recall some F100s for a time, after the 722s went away, but I do not think there was ever regular AE service on the route. The 5th daily is the "new" part, which may have something to do with the "banking" effort at the hubs post-merger. Again, I could be wrong on that, if anyone has better information, please share.

The 5th daily isn't "new," and it was, indeed, at one time Eagle. There was a period in the mid-to-late 2000s when AA had a daily ERJ145 scheduled CMH-DFW in addition to the multiple daily mainline (MD80) flights. Believe that daily ERJ lasted on the route for at least a few years before being pulled.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:18 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 64):
The 5th daily isn't "new," and it was, indeed, at one time Eagle. There was a period in the mid-to-late 2000s when AA had a daily ERJ145 scheduled CMH-DFW in addition to the multiple daily mainline (MD80) flights. Believe that daily ERJ lasted on the route for at least a few years before being pulled.

Thanks for the clarification, I was not aware of that ERJ service... With your knowledge of AA ops, what do you think will be the replacement for the MD80 on this service? 175s? 319s? or maybe a mix of 738s and 175s? Will be interesting to see how it ends up.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:28 pm

Meanwhile, CMH's numbers ticked up in August, in part thanks to the BOS and OAK nonstop additions. (The Dispatch says they added ATL, but already operated it. Maybe they increased frequencies.)

LCK's cargo activity increased 7%, but domestic cargo dropped.

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/...rlines-flights-a-boon-to-port.html

The talk of AA and CMH-DFW makes me wonder what they'll throw on DAY-DFW as the MD-80s leave. AA's long had mainline on the route in spite of virtually every other route available from DAY (except DAY-ATL and occasional UA DAY-ORD) being RJs.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 66):
The talk of AA and CMH-DFW makes me wonder what they'll throw on DAY-DFW as the MD-80s leave. AA's long had mainline on the route in spite of virtually every other route available from DAY (except DAY-ATL and occasional UA DAY-ORD) being RJs.

Suspect an A319/737 mix - 2x A319 + 1x 738 = almost exactly 3x MD80. A319s have already been on the route in the last 18 months.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:23 am

Hey guys,
Any idea why UPS flies a direct flight from LAN to LCK ?
Just curious, it seems like an oddball route considering SDF isn't too far away and it's served with a 763.
The flight number is 1477
Thx!
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:28 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 66):
LCK's cargo activity increased 7%, but domestic cargo dropped.

Might have something to do with the 744s full of steel coils Honda was bringing in every week...
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:56 am

PSA Airlines is adding a crew base at CVG to go along with it's maintenance base that it is starting up. Here is the article - http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne...ing-a-crew-base-at-cincinnati.html
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:25 am

Quoting bhxdtw (Reply 68):
Any idea why UPS flies a direct flight from LAN to LCK ?

There is a nice cargo load of outbound online orders for rush shipments from brands like Limited, Tween, Victoria's Secret, etc. I think it carries on to SDF, but don't quote me on that.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:41 am

Here's a round-up of changes to Ohio market airports based on Enrilia's OAG thread

Changes
AC CVG-YYZ APR 1.7>3
DL DTW-CAK JUN 3>4
DL DTW-CMH NOV 7>6
DL DTW-DAY JUN 3>4
UA CLE-BOS FEB 4>3
UA CLE-MCO FEB 1.7>1.0
UA CLE-MKE FEB 3>1.6
UA EWR-CMH FEB 6>7
UA EWR-DAY FEB 3>1.0
UA IAD-CVG FEB 1.4>3
UA ORD-CVG FEB 8>7

Cancelled
DL CVG-GRR JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 0.8>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0
DL CVG-RIC JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0
A319, A320, A321, B1900F, B737-300, B737-400, B737-400F, B737-700, B737-800, B757-200, B757-200F, B767-200F, B767-300F, CRJ-200, CRJ-700, ERJ-145, E-170, E-175, MD-80, SD3-60F
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:39 pm

Where is PSA's hangar? The old Mesaba building?

PSA just broke ground on another building (a new maintenance hangar) at DAY as well, just after they opened a new ops center.

Quoting bhxdtw (Reply 68):
Hey guys,
Any idea why UPS flies a direct flight from LAN to LCK ?
Just curious, it seems like an oddball route considering SDF isn't too far away and it's served with a 763.
The flight number is 1477
Thx!

Not sure, but there was an ORF-LCK flight on a 757 Friday.

There was also a Sun Country 738 routed MSP-LCK-SAV-MSP in the last couple days. Did G4 have a plane break and have SY pinch hit?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:55 am

Quoting AirportRival (Reply 70):
PSA Airlines is adding a crew base at CVG to go along with it's maintenance base that it is starting up. Here is the article - http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne...ing-a-crew-base-at-cincinnati.html

That's great! I'm sure there's still plenty of institutional skills in the local labor force here PSA can make use of among those former mechanics who might of lost out with DL and OH.

Branson AirExpress is calling a quits at CVG. No surprise there quite honestly.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/branson-air...ing-flight-service-at-cvg/35578214

Not new news, but DHL went on a hiring spree the other month to accommodate its latest expansion:

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/...-latest-expansion-more-jobs-at-cvg

Fantastic to see them doing so well at CVG.

Quoting AirportRival (Reply 72):
DL CVG-GRR JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 0.8>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0
DL CVG-RIC JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0

This is a bummer. I suppose the CVG-PIT cut will also be extended in the next OAG update. I know a route like CVG-PIT is pretty inconsequential nowadays, but when you think about it, this will be the first time in likely 60-70 years that Cincinnati and Pittsburgh won't be connected via air service.

Perhaps if LUK-BKL works out for Ultimate Air Shuttle, they'll try their hand at a LUK/CVG-PIT route? I've been pretty skeptical about Ultimate Air Shuttle, but they've been operating for a few years now with no major cutbacks that I know of, so they have to be doing at least decently for this project of theirs to have continued so long, right?
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:28 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 74):
I've been pretty skeptical about Ultimate Air Shuttle, but they've been operating for a few years now with no major cutbacks that I know of, so they have to be doing at least decently for this project of theirs to have continued so long, right?

DoT reports say Ultimate operates above a 60% load factor from LUK; at the fares they charge, that is most likely profitable for them.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:33 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 66):

Meanwhile, CMH's numbers ticked up in August,

It might continue to climb with low fare stimulation. I noticed AA is fare matching WN, and UA is also, that I see many dates of $49 fares on CMH-DCA/IAD in November. A week ago, I I saw $39 advance fares. It is strange but good to see fare matching even when it's just between carriers (UA, AA and WN) and no smaller LCCs are involved.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:45 pm

CX and EK cargo expanding operations at LCK:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...add-flights-into-rickenbacker.html

This will put CX at 4x weekly, CV at 3x weekly, EK at 2x weekly, and K4/5Y at anywhere from 1-3x weekly. No major changes for FX and 5X though domestic cargo traffic is down for the year at LCK in favor of truck transport.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:00 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 74):
Branson AirExpress is calling a quits at CVG. No surprise there quite honestly.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/branson-air...78214

You like to see little airlines do well, but this seemed doomed from the start. Not sure how they thought they were going to make CVG-CUN via Branson and MSY work.

Tickets after the last flight will be refunded. I know it's not the first time this has happened anywhere, but that'd be a shocker for somebody who'd made hotel reservations only to have to a) buy new tickets or b) scrap the trip altogether.

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 76):
It is strange but good to see fare matching even when it's just between carriers (UA, AA and WN) and no smaller LCCs are involved.

CMH (not including LCK) doesn't have any ULCCs to butt heads with the Big Four.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:01 pm

More discussion about CMH-Europe, with a little about Asia. David Whitaker from CRAA seems to think Europe is a matter of time.

It's an interesting read until OSU's Director of Aviation Studies brings up DTW and ORD "seeming to have a lot of Asian flights" seemingly ignoring the DL and AA/UA hubs at the two airports (ignoring any other service from Asian carriers).

http://radio.wosu.org/post/non-stop-...urope-port-columbus-maybe#stream/0
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:03 pm

CVG just released September numbers:

September passenger traffic is up 11.82%

To date, 2015 passenger traffic is up 6.17%

Another nice, solid month.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:09 pm

Not the biggest of news, but something interesting in the schedule for AA at CMH. CMH-LGA on AA has a pretty significant uptick in capacity. From the previous Envoy (145s and 140s) the schedule after early November shows:

2x or 3x RP E175
1x or 2x RP E170
1x Envoy E140
1x Trans States E145

This would also seem to be one of the first transitions from a LAA (in this case mostly Envoy Route) to a LUS route (RP), but I could of course be wrong. Does anyone know of a particular reason for the increase in capacity? Perhaps a preemptive move to keep Southwest off the route?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:18 pm

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 81):
This would also seem to be one of the first transitions from a LAA (in this case mostly Envoy Route) to a LUS route (RP), but I could of course be wrong.

How is that a transition? Republic was awarded AA flying of the 175 before the merger, were they not?

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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:48 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 82):

Yes, of course. However- these are not the AA E175s flying but rather US Airways Express E170s and E175s. Which also marks a return of US to the route after the DL/US slot swap of a few years ago.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:31 pm

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 81):

Not the biggest of news, but something interesting in the schedule for AA at CMH. CMH-LGA on AA has a pretty significant uptick in capacity. From the previous Envoy (145s and 140s) the schedule after early November shows:

2x or 3x RP E175
1x or 2x RP E170
1x Envoy E140
1x Trans States E145

In December, CMH-MIA goes to 2x E175 also. CMH seeing a nice bit of capacity adjustments.

TOL's pax increased by 18% in September 2015 over September 2014 because Allegiant flew TOL-SFB. 8,220 for the month and to date 136,765 have flown through a 4% increase over YTD 2014. Not great but slow and steady growth since 2011.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:14 pm

WN adds DAY-MDW, drops DAY-BWI/DEN/MCO/TPA, CAK-RSW/TPA/MCO/LAS.

Anybody still like the WN/FL merger?

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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:26 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 85):

WN adds DAY-MDW, drops DAY-BWI/DEN/MCO/TPA, CAK-RSW/TPA/MCO/LAS.

Dropping DAY-BWI is a head scratcher to me. IIRC, it was one of AirTran's first BWI routes when they started building up that city. It's a case of bigger airplanes, larger cost, and higher fares that are decimating the mid markets. I wouldn't doubt we will see an announcement from Allegiant jumping all over the CAK routes. I think CAK-SFB is the only one not served and a pretty good bet we will see that start out at 2x weekly and quickly go to 4x weekly then during peak season at least daily, if not more. I wonder what YNG would look like if they really ramp up CAK?

DAY is going to be a bit trickier as Allegiant has a pretty sizeable operation in CVG. Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see them start DAY-SFB/PIE and maybe PGD 2x weekly.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:03 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 85):
WN adds DAY-MDW, drops DAY-BWI/DEN/MCO/TPA, CAK-RSW/TPA/MCO/LAS.

Anybody still like the WN/FL merger?



Wow. It doesn't seem long ago at all when FL and F9 seemed to be just crushing it at DAY. I think the collapse in drive traffic from surrounding areas, principally Cincinnati, has really pummeled DAY.

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 86):
DAY is going to be a bit trickier as Allegiant has a pretty sizeable operation in CVG. Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see them start DAY-SFB/PIE and maybe PGD 2x weekly.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them come in either with 2-ish routes or so. G4 does a really good job of stimulating local demand while not cannibalizing nearby markets, though I'd say the size of their operations at CVG and LCK will likely constrict DAY from growing all that much.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:59 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 86):
DAY is going to be a bit trickier as Allegiant has a pretty sizeable operation in CVG. Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see them start DAY-SFB/PIE and maybe PGD 2x weekly.

It's intriguing. As I said in another thread, YNG/CAK/PIT are all under a similar blanket to DAY/LCK/CVG. Given the choice, I'd rather use DAY than deal with Cincinnati traffic to get to Kentucky.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:31 pm

From another thread, "Aerosmith" has been moving quite a bit of cargo through the otherwise-dormant ILN of late. It's a secret as to who the client is, but rumors say it's Amazon, testing the waters on starting their own cargo carrier in cooperation with ABX using ILN as a hub.

http://wnewsj.com/news/4623/lgstx-services-moves-cargo-for-aerosmith

I'd seen ABE/ONT-ILN on FlightAware and wondered why.

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 81):
Not the biggest of news, but something interesting in the schedule for AA at CMH. CMH-LGA on AA has a pretty significant uptick in capacity. From the previous Envoy (145s and 140s) the schedule after early November shows:

2x or 3x RP E175
1x or 2x RP E170
1x Envoy E140
1x Trans States E145

This would also seem to be one of the first transitions from a LAA (in this case mostly Envoy Route) to a LUS route (RP), but I could of course be wrong. Does anyone know of a particular reason for the increase in capacity? Perhaps a preemptive move to keep Southwest off the route?

That'll put AA on par with DL's larger RJs (2 E75, 2 E70, 2 CR7 using 11-9 as an example).

That's interesting in comparison to DCA, which had a single daily AA flight alongside US' typical schedule. Will that still be the case?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:43 am

Saw an SY 737 on FR24 positioning CMH-MSP this afternoon. Who were they operating a charter for?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:20 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 90):
Who were they operating a charter for?

Perhaps the U Minnesota Gophers? They played OSU Saturday night.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:22 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 90):
Saw an SY 737 on FR24 positioning CMH-MSP this afternoon. Who were they operating a charter for?

That was a charter for the Minnesota vs. OSU game, whether or not that was the team or fans I"m not sure. A 738 feels small for a football team, but they can fit about 108 people on the aircraft without using the middle seats.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:13 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 89):
That's interesting in comparison to DCA, which had a single daily AA flight alongside US' typical schedule. Will that still be the case?

Took a look at CMH-DCA for a random weekday in March, shows the following:
6 N/S
(5) YX 170/175
(1) ZW CRJ

I do not believe that any of those YX flights are legacy American Eagle, but could certainly be wrong.

As for CMH passenger numbers for September...
For the month: 545,355 which is a 7.3% increase over September 2014
For the year to date: 4,996,364 which is a 5.2% increase over YTD 2014.

This pace of growth has impacted the future terminal planning and related efforts, as detailed in this article:
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/...port-columbus-terminal-taking.html

Will be interesting to see how the numbers are for the busy holiday travel season and if any new carriers arrive in 2016-- both of which may start serious discussions about the 2030 new terminal timeline..
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:14 am

As seen in a similar thread about PIT, there's supposedly an announcement of new service at DAY tomorrow, in conjunction with announcements at PIT, FNT, and MDT, and I have to agree with the gut sentiment expressed by others in that thread:

Allegiant?

edit: Unclear if it's a new airline or existing carrier: http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne...oming-to-dayton-international.html

[Edited 2015-11-18 19:00:02]
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 94):
As seen in a similar thread about PIT, there's supposedly an announcement of new service at DAY tomorrow, in conjunction with announcements at PIT, FNT, and MDT, and I have to agree with the gut sentiment expressed by others in that thread:
http://ir.allegiantair.com/phoenix.z...;p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2113862

the Ohio portion, as correctly expected/guessed/assumed...

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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:40 pm

Midsized Midwestern city with relatively limited service, especially to Florida, which just had its Florida service yanked. DAY felt like it fit the mold once WN called it quits. I'm just glad it actually happened.

This could go really well for DAY if it sticks. Look at what they've done virtually everywhere else in Ohio (using LCK because I'm most familiar with it, zero to seven in a little over two years). And, with DAY being added, G4 now has service in some form to all the major metro areas in Ohio- CAK (also serving CLE), LCK (serving Columbus), CVG, TOL, now DAY, in addition to YNG.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:58 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 96):
This could go really well for DAY if it sticks. Look at what they've done virtually everywhere else in Ohio (using LCK because I'm most familiar with it, zero to seven in a little over two years). And, with DAY being added, G4 now has service in some form to all the major metro areas in Ohio- CAK (also serving CLE), LCK (serving Columbus), CVG, TOL, now DAY, in addition to YNG.

Out of curiosity, do you think we may ever see a day when Columbus moves LCK operations to CMH? Just from an efficiency standpoint, it seems like a bit of a waste to be running two passenger terminals and their associated TSA operations 15 miles apart, especially when CMH builds a new terminal in 10-15 years (a project I would not be shocked to see moved forward, especially if passenger numbers continue to climb)
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:39 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 84):
In December, CMH-MIA goes to 2x E175 also. CMH seeing a nice bit of capacity adjustments.

The E175 on CMH-MIA only operates 12/17/15 thru 01/04/16. Effective 01/05/16 CMH-MIA goes back to E145's.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 3

Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:16 pm

Quoting miaami (Reply 98):
he E175 on CMH-MIA only operates 12/17/15 thru 01/04/16. Effective 01/05/16 CMH-MIA goes back to E145's.

I bet that has to do with the fact that YX is still having major issues crewing planes and ENY and AA are having to cover. I wouldn't be surprised to see this go back to 175s when things shake out with the big YX maintenance operation there in CMH.

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