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Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:04 am
by andytb77
Didn't see this posted yet. Iron Maiden is upgrading Ed Force One from the 757 to the 744 for their 2016 world tour. Leased from Air Atlanta Icelandic. Bruce Dickinson is currently in the process of becoming certified to fly it.

http://www.ironmaiden.com/iron-maide...bo-on-massive-2016-world-tour.html

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:08 am
by PEK777
Good Lord, this is awesome! Will book a trip for both a USA and Asia show when they are announced. UP THE IRONS

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:17 am
by andytb77
Paint scheme looks pretty sweet. (Photo from ironmaiden.com)



[Edited 2015-08-25 19:18:04]

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:16 am
by Max Q
Very cool but that's a very expensive to run Aircraft and Iron Maiden's not exactly the highest revenue band is it ?


Am I missing something ?

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:34 am
by ordell
Well they are saying it's a 744 and that looks like a 742 in the picture. Nitpick.  

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:48 am
by JimJupiter
Awesome   

Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Very cool but that's a very expensive to run Aircraft and Iron Maiden's not exactly the highest revenue band is it ?


Am I missing something ?

Well, they cut down on one pilot, for instance.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:53 am
by MSPNWA
Quoting ordell (Reply 4):
Well they are saying it's a 744 and that looks like a 742 in the picture. Nitpick.

Yeah, but not just any 742. That's a VC-25.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:45 am
by Max Q
Approximating here,


I think the -400 burns around 23000 pounds per hour, that's about 3400 US Gallons, multiply that by an average of say $6.00 per gallon that's $20,400 per hour in fuel alone.


Add in Crew costs, maintenance, landing fees etc, etc and I would guess it would cost 30K per hour to operate that
big beauty.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:59 am
by surfpunk
Quoting ordell (Reply 4):
Well they are saying it's a 744 and that looks like a 742 in the picture. Nitpick.  

The aircraft in question is TF-AMI, a 744F being modified for use by the band during the tour.


RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:02 am
by BlueSky1976
Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
that's a very expensive to run Aircraft and Iron Maiden's not exactly the highest revenue band is it ?

Watch "Flight 666" documentary.
Bruce Dickinson is on the record there stating it's actually CHEAPER to pack everything on the plane and to fly it around the world, rather than having multiple stage crew trucks drive around with two or three sets the way other bands do.

It's not only the band flying on the plane, but - literally - everyone and everything needed for the show.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:39 am
by nitepilot79
Max Q, I went to the ASCAP site and searched for Iron Maiden to no avail. Then I went to BMI, found the band, and I think their royalty numbers are there, but the BMI site is glitching on me...

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 6):
Yeah, but not just any 742. That's a VC-25.

Ed Force One !

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:41 am
by stlgph
Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Am I missing something ?

Yes.
They'll pack the houses wherever they play.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:47 am
by spacecadet
Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Very cool but that's a very expensive to run Aircraft and Iron Maiden's not exactly the highest revenue band is it ?

Not "the highest", but #25 in the world according to Billboard: http://zumic.com/2013/12/13/billboar...ing-music-tours-of-2013-full-list/

And let's face it - a lot of these other bands could afford to fly around like this but don't because they just wouldn't know the first thing about how to do it. Even their managers likely have no experience with in-house large aircraft; at most they're used to hiring what amount to air taxis, who typically don't have 747's on call. But Bruce Dickinson is a certified airline pilot and an enthusiast; he's going to know how to make this work. And it's not like the band has no experience flying around their own leased airliners - they did this was a 757 previously.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:54 am
by jetwet1
Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Very cool but that's a very expensive to run Aircraft and Iron Maiden's not exactly the highest revenue band is it ?

On a per show basis they are pretty close, there are only a few acts in the world that earn more per show than Maiden.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Am I missing something ?

Just how big metal still is ? Bands like Maiden or AC/DC can still fill 60,000 seat stadiums with no problem.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:58 am
by Max Q
Quoting bluesky1976 (Reply 9):
Bruce Dickinson is on the record there stating it's actually CHEAPER to pack everything on the plane and to fly it around the world, rather than having multiple stage crew trucks drive around with two or three sets the way other bands do.

It's not only the band flying on the plane, but - literally - everyone and everything needed for the show.

Yes, that makes sense then.

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 13):
Just how big metal still is ? Bands like Maiden or AC/DC can still fill 60,000 seat stadiums with no problem.

Amazing, pretty cool gig flying a 744 around then playing concerts where you stop !

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:18 am
by CPH-R
Quoting bluesky1976 (Reply 9):
Bruce Dickinson is on the record there stating it's actually CHEAPER to pack everything on the plane and to fly it around the world, rather than having multiple stage crew trucks drive around with two or three sets the way other bands do.

That should be taken with a grain of salt though. It might be expensive to run those extra crews & trucks, but it does allow bands to play a new city every night, which will more than offset the cost. The world tour depicted in Flight 666 had a lot of 2-3 day gaps between concerts, where the stage gear was being packed down and moved from city to city.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:29 am
by Dahlgardo
Quoting CPH-R (Reply 15):
That should be taken with a grain of salt though. It might be expensive to run those extra crews & trucks, but it does allow bands to play a new city every night, which will more than offset the cost. The world tour depicted in Flight 666 had a lot of 2-3 day gaps between concerts, where the stage gear was being packed down and moved from city to city.

Unless they play a concert very close to an airport they'll still have a lot of logistics to sort out after the plane touches down. Would be impressive if the can do concerts a new place every night.

[Edited 2015-08-25 23:35:06]

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:45 am
by BlueSky1976
Quoting CPH-R (Reply 15):
It might be expensive to run those extra crews & trucks, but it does allow bands to play a new city every night, which will more than offset the cost.

Maybe young bands do perform every night, but not the older ones. Keep in mind that members of most "legacy" bands do get older and it is physically impossible for them to perform one night after another. AC/DC, for example, has at least one day break between tour shows, Maiden had two to three day intrevals.

Besides, having to fly a single, complete stage set up crew on the plane would still cost less than two crews running simultaneously, especially when distance of hundreds of kilometers needs to be covered between one show and another.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:54 am
by nitepilot79
Some more details about the new Ed Force One's tour:

http://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-new-jumbo-jet-2016-world-tour/

I'm surprised they took the winglets off, considering the tour is across 6 continents. I am an armchair expert, though .

Article quote:

"The new 'Ed Force One' will carry the band, crew and over 12 tons of equipment all around the planet with stops in 35 countries in six continents. No dates have been announced as-of-yet but we will keep you posted."

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:59 am
by starrymarkb
Their 757 was hardly luxurious (2+2 for the band, 3+3 for crew), I suspect this will be similar and IIRC they did have a few issues getting their 757 combi certified.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:30 am
by nitepilot79
Quoting andytb77 (Reply 2):

Star Alliance "signed" someone new      . It does look good, though.

[Edited 2015-08-26 00:33:31]

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:54 am
by bralo20
It seems they are going to build a combi once again but this time starting with a freighter aircraft (Boeing 747-400BDSF) if the registration is correct in one of the renderings (TF-AMI).

Hope they'll visit Belgium with it  

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:54 am
by opethfan
Quoting CPH-R (Reply 15):
That should be taken with a grain of salt though. It might be expensive to run those extra crews & trucks, but it does allow bands to play a new city every night, which will more than offset the cost. The world tour depicted in Flight 666 had a lot of 2-3 day gaps between concerts, where the stage gear was being packed down and moved from city to city.

But when I think about it, what does a band need at the other end of a tour stop? Drivers / trucks, maybe some general labour, catering, etc. Any city big enough to fill an Iron Maiden-sized area is big enough to handle a 747 is big enough to have most of these service a few phone calls away for any experienced tour management crew. The venue will possibly provide suggestions as well.
Drivers and other roles are quite easy to find for an operation like Maiden's. A 25 foot high fire-breathing Eddie? Not so easy to find or replace.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:57 am
by LH526
So, will they have both equipment and band / management / stagehands, etc on board? That looks like a double configuration on the main deck for both pax and cargo. Isn't cargo and pax on the same deck prohibited on the 747 since the Helderberg crash? Or does that not apply to charter / private flights?

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:01 am
by n797mx
Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 18):
I'm surprised they took the winglets off, considering the tour is across 6 continents.

I'm pretty sure its just a render from someone who saw four engines and thought, "Hey, that's a 747!"

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 19):
Their 757 was hardly luxurious (2 2 for the band, 3 3 for crew), I suspect this will be similar and IIRC they did have a few issues getting their 757 combi certified.

Well the 747-400 is already combi certified (a la KLM), but TF-AMI is all cargo. Unlike other all cargo 747s I don't think that it has the nose hatch however. How hard is it to convert it back?

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:22 am
by hilram
I suppose they would have been better off with one of the old KLM Combi birds. Probably unavailable.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:34 am
by trijetsonly
This is so awesome (again).
Bruce (bands vocalist) is such an avgeek, I won't be surprised if he's actually a member of this site.
His aviation documentary "Flying Heavy Metal" (available on youtube) is worth watching for everyone, not just for fans of heavy metal.

Maiden is the world's most successful live band, so there won't be a problem to afford a tour like that.
Using their own plane to transport the whole equipment and crew is much more useful in regions like Latin America. There are long low quality roads to run and several borders to cross, where several trucks with concert equipment may need days to pass.
They say that with one plane it is much easier to clear customs and have everything in place in time for predictable costs.
This makes it possible to visit China and El Salvador for the first time.

During their last world tours, they used the 757 mostly outside Europe. In Europe they were still using trucks, as it is better with the shorter distances and no customs.


Up the Irons   

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:29 am
by tjwgrr
Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 18):
I'm surprised they took the winglets off,

Where does it say they took the winglets off? The mock-photo is of a VC-25 with a refueling connection in the nose and a huge array of antenna.....

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:37 am
by ZaphodHarkonnen
Well that pretty much confirms they won't be coming to WLG.   Don't think there'd be the equipment to load and unload such a thing. Though it'd look crazy and given they're a rock band who knows, maybe they're stupid enough to try. :p

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:48 am
by hilram
Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 28):

Why not? Wellington has accomodated a lot of 747's in the past! NZ operated them until 2011!

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:03 am
by ZaphodHarkonnen
Quoting hilram (Reply 29):
Why not? Wellington has accomodated a lot of 747's in the past! NZ operated them until 2011!

The only 747s WLG routinely had were 747SPs from Qantas and I believe that ended in the early 90s. WLG is still an emergency alternate landing site for 747s but you'd probably have to remove your passengers to be able to safely take off again.

Though my memory has a hazy view of a Air NZ 747-400 being at WLG for some sort of airport anniversary or something.

Anyways, a fully or even mostly loaded 747 isn't going to sensibly use WLG and a 747F even less likely due to no real infrastructure to support it.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:20 am
by RobK
Quoting surfpunk (Reply 8):
The aircraft in question is TF-AMI, a 744F being modified for use by the band during the tour.

It's currently in service (as I write) with Saudi Cargo flying between Jeddah and Guangzhou so I think you may have the wrong aircraft.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:29 am
by speedygonzales
Quoting RobK (Reply 31):
Quoting surfpunk (Reply 8):
The aircraft in question is TF-AMI, a 744F being modified for use by the band during the tour.

It's currently in service (as I write) with Saudi Cargo flying between Jeddah and Guangzhou so I think you may have the wrong aircraft.

Maybe it's TF-AMT, which is in pax config and currently listed as stored.
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...5,TF-AMT-Air-Atlanta-Icelandic.php

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:18 pm
by KPDX
Quoting stlgph (Reply 11):

Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Am I missing something ?

Yes.
They'll pack the houses wherever they play.

  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8p9JpDuQ-o

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:15 pm
by starrymarkb
Quoting lh526 (Reply 23):

So, will they have both equipment and band / management / stagehands, etc on board? That looks like a double configuration on the main deck for both pax and cargo. Isn't cargo and pax on the same deck prohibited on the 747 since the Helderberg crash? Or does that not apply to charter / private flights?
Quoting Bruce:

“When the opportunity arose from my friends at Air Atlanta Icelandic to lease a 747 for The Book of Souls World Tour, of course we jumped at the chance, who wouldn’t? The greatest benefit of travelling in a 747 is that because of its colossal size and freight capacity we can carry our stage production and all our stage equipment and desks in the cargo hold without having to make any of the immense structural modifications needed to do this on the previous 757, the extent of which fans will have noted on the Flight 666 DVD. Although in reality we cannot carry much more gear the savings in complexity, time and cost make using the 747 even more practical. All we will need to do is “paint” it and move a few seats around, with the added advantage that there is much more room for band and crew – our Krew can almost get a row of seats each to catch up on sleep on the flights! Furthermore, it is marginally faster 0.85 MACH and the range of around 7000NM (13,000 km) is much greater which means we will not have to make the refuelling stops we needed to with the 757.

So Band/Crew on the passenger deck (prob Band on the upper deck) and Sets/equipment in the belly. And they've worked out it's cheaper to use the 747 then mod another 757 to combi configuration

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:36 pm
by wingman
Quoting spacecadet (Reply 12):
But Bruce Dickinson is a certified airline pilot and an enthusiast; he's going to know how to make this work. And it's not like the band has no experience flying around their own leased airliners - they did this was a 757 previously.

And the point being..who cares if it works or not? The man is certifiable, just like us. Except that he and the band have enough money coming out of their ears that they can do things we only dream of. Spinal Tap took it to 11...Maiden took it to 747. Total respect.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:34 pm
by jacobin777
Quoting pek777 (Reply 1):
Good Lord, this is awesome!

Totally!   

Quoting trijetsonly (Reply 26):
Bruce (bands vocalist) is such an avgeek, I won't be surprised if he's actually a member of this site

IIRC, at one time he was.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:44 pm
by mjoelnir
Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 30):
The only 747s WLG routinely had were 747SPs from Qantas and I believe that ended in the early 90s. WLG is still an emergency alternate landing site for 747s but you'd probably have to remove your passengers to be able to safely take off again.

With a light fuel load, it should not to be a big problem especially as it is not 400 pax and max freight.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:49 pm
by Flighty
IIRC, Pink Floyd had a 747F in 1994. Just for their gear.

I guess it can work. Hey, why not?     

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:02 pm
by auroralives
Quoting andytb77 (Thread starter):
Bruce Dickinson is currently in the process of becoming certified to fly it.

Can someone briefly describe how much time/effort/training is required to get a 747 type cert when one already has 757?

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:11 pm
by Tdan
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 36):

It doesn't get any more awesome than this! My favorite band, flying my favorite aircraft on a world tour...can't wait for tickets to go on sale!

Question though: Who is going to be sitting in the coach cabin with all of that capacity? Will this be a 'Bruce Air' opportunity for every show??? Seems like a lot of space that will not be utilized unless the aircraft was a combi

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:56 pm
by bond007
Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 16):
Unless they play a concert very close to an airport they'll still have a lot of logistics to sort out after the plane touches down. Would be impressive if the can do concerts a new place every night.

Well, as an ex-roadie I can tell you that it usually takes a complete day to unload the semi trucks, set up the stage and lights, run all the cables, get the catering done, do the sound check etc. etc., even for the smallest of venues. We used to start unloading at around 7-8am, and would be ready for sound checks around 4pm. It would then take a little less time to tear down, but for a one night concert it would usually take from 7am to 2am the next day, depending on what time the band played.

All this would still need to be done with the 747, but with all the extra time loading and unloading the semi-trucks again at the airport. Some good logistics is required at each airport for this to happen, all with different carriers/ drivers etc.

I think this all much more for marketing, than for efficiency and costs purposes  

Jimbo

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:01 pm
by BlueSky1976
Quoting Tdan (Reply 40):
Question though: Who is going to be sitting in the coach cabin with all of that capacity?

There will be enough seats to accommodate the band, its entourage and supporting road crew.

The rest of the cabin will be converted to semi-cargo, to carry the stage, the sound system and supporting gear for the tour.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:19 pm
by surfpunk
Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 32):
Quoting RobK (Reply 31):
Quoting surfpunk (Reply 8):
The aircraft in question is TF-AMI, a 744F being modified for use by the band during the tour.

It's currently in service (as I write) with Saudi Cargo flying between Jeddah and Guangzhou so I think you may have the wrong aircraft.

Maybe it's TF-AMT, which is in pax config and currently listed as stored.
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...5,TF-AMT-Air-Atlanta-Icelandic.php

I went off the mockup they had on the band's website, which showed TF-AMI on the hull. You may be right. Although any full-cargo or full-pax config would likely have to be modified to combi state for carrying band, crew, entourage, and stage set/gear.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:35 pm
by AirlineCritic
Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 16):
Unless they play a concert very close to an airport they'll still have a lot of logistics to sort out after the plane touches down. Would be impressive if the can do concerts a new place every night.

Does being a lead singer in a rock concert count as rest time from the point of of the FARs, for the flight to the next gig? Inquiring minds want to know...

Quoting wingman (Reply 35):
Total respect.

  

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:49 pm
by Flighty
Quoting bond007 (Reply 41):
I think this all much more for marketing, than for efficiency and costs purposes

Mission Accomplished. At least here on a.net.   

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:11 pm
by glideslope
Nice !! Love ya Bruce.   

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:29 pm
by Spike11
I really, really, really would like to be on that plane! Bruce Dickinson - metal superstar, airline pilot, fencer, author, trainspotter, tank enthusiast... Cool guy.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:20 pm
by JAGflyer
On a very technical note, how is Dickenson allowed to fly a 747-400 which is insured for use by Air Atlanta Icelandic? Would he not have to be employed, trained, and checked-out by the airline in order to legally fly the aircraft for any extended period of time? It sounds a little bit questionable. Most airlines don't just let any type-rated person jump into the cockpit to fly their aircraft.

RE: Iron Maiden To Use 747 On 2016 Tour

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:24 pm
by Flighty
Quoting Jagflyer (Reply 48):






On a very technical note, how is Dickenson allowed to fly a 747-400 which is insured for use by Air Atlanta Icelandic? Would he not have to be employed, trained, and checked-out by the airline in order to legally fly the aircraft for any extended period of time? It sounds a little bit questionable. Most airlines don't just let any type-rated person jump into the cockpit to fly their aircraft.

Great point, actually. I thought they are a wet least outfit. We can surmise that at least 1 extra pilot at all times will be needed. Bruce may not be the Capt. He may be a relief pilot, or may only serve under the direct supervision of another crewmember. This is still really cool and reasonably legitimate, by rock star standards.