Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

KirkSeattle · Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:31 pm

Florida Today is reporting a new, not yet named, airline will be starting flights to MLB on a 70 seat aircraft. Start with seasonal service.

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/mo...airline-coming-melbourne/32336721/

MLB facebook page hasn't reported anything, neither has their website.

http://mlbair.com/

Well, certainly no one from Europe, that's for sure. Paradise to Paradise ? (from the Carribean?) Could be a Canadian airline? My bet is with the later....

Cheers,
KirkSeattle

northstardc4m · Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:27 pm

70 seats narrows it down...

Bahamasair ATR72
or
Air Canada Express CRJ705 or EMB175

Could be Porter Q400 maaaybe but that's a looooong flight for a q400... unless its a tag like YTZ-MYR-MLB?

I can't think of another foreign airline with 70 seaters in that range of MLB?

727LOVER · Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:10 pm

Does the article say FOREIGN?.....What about UA?

spinkid · Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:17 pm

From the article

"The carrier doesn't currently service the state, and Melbourne International would be its gateway into Florida.
The carrier is proposing, initially, non-stop, weekly international service from — an unknown destination — on a 70-seat aircraft. The arrangement is seasonal for now but could grow more frequent, and with larger aircraft, as the flights mature at Melbourne International."

seasonal, Non stop and weekly service, currently not serving the state would eliminate Bahamasair and Air Canada. Makes me think it could be Porter, but it is an awfully long flight on a Q400

crazytoaster · Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:17 pm

Says nonstop weekly international service and that this would be the carrier's first destination in Florida.

So no AC. Don't really have a clue.

Mexicana757 · Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:25 pm

Quoting spinkid (Reply 3):
Makes me think it could be Porter, but it is an awfully long flight on a Q400

I too think it sounds like Porter. It would be a nice addition to their seasonal flights down south.

krsw757 · Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:53 pm

Maybe a charter operation using Elite? They recently received a crj-700 and were already flying out of MLB. Just a thought.

Italianflyer · Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:17 pm

I have a feeling it's Porter...but what about the possibility of Canadian North/FirstAir sending a combie from YOW? I'm not so sure about south bound freight but I'm sure they could fill 2 pallets north bound.

MAH4546 · Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:44 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 7):

I have a feeling it's Porter...but what about the possibility of Canadian North/FirstAir sending a combie from YOW? I'm not so sure about south bound freight but I'm sure they could fill 2 pallets north bound.

They both already fly to Miami.

flyoregon · Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:45 pm

Quoting krsw757 (Reply 6):
Maybe a charter operation using Elite? They recently received a crj-700 and were already flying out of MLB. Just a thought.

I'd be more surprised if it wasn't Elite.

KirkSeattle · Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:59 pm

Quoting krsw757 (Reply 6):
Maybe a charter operation using Elite?

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 9):
I'd be more surprised if it wasn't Elite.

You mean this airline?

http://eliteairways.net/

They already serve MLB. The article said it would be an international airline and it would be their first entry into the state of Florida.

Quoting spinkid (Reply 3):
From the article

"The carrier doesn't currently service the state, and Melbourne International would be its gateway into Florida.
The carrier is proposing, initially, non-stop, weekly international service from — an unknown destination — on a 70-seat aircraft. The arrangement is seasonal for now but could grow more frequent, and with larger aircraft, as the flights mature at Melbourne International."

Anyhow, good for MLB. Be good to hear who it actually is, but fun guessing along the way!

Cheers,
KirkSeattle

flyoregon · Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:08 pm

Quoting KirkSeattle (Reply 10):
The article said it would be an international airline and it would be their first entry into the state of Florida.

Didn't catch that part.

MCOflyer · Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:52 am

My bet is that its Porter but I do agree. One long flight on a Q400.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YYZ-MLB&MS=wls&DU=mi

1000+ miles is long. If its Porter, you'd think they would've picked MCO over MLB.

IMissPiedmont · Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:26 pm

Quoting mcoflyer (Reply 12):

Horizon runs PDX-TUS with the DHC-8 and that is nearly 1200 miles so it is quite within range. And really, why would a person choose any other aircraft over it? Sure it's a bit noisier than a 737, but unless one is a prima donna, the unobstructed view and the whirly things on the wing are great.

Oh wait, the flying public is a bunch of whiners, never mind.

flyoregon · Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:15 pm

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 13):

Horizon runs PDX-TUS with the DHC-8 and that is nearly 1200 miles so it is quite within range

QX doesn't run PDX-TUS. SkyWest does/did. Whenever you see a Horizon Q400 PDX-TUS, it's going down for a maintenance C Check.

IMissPiedmont · Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:45 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 14):

Interesting, I wasn't aware they stopped that service. It seems like just two or three weeks ago I saw a -8 operating the service. But, it may have been months.

727LOVER · Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:13 pm

Isn't Porter getting the C0Series?

Quoting mcoflyer (Reply 12):
If its Porter, you'd think they would've picked MCO over MLB.

Why? Competing with faster jets from Air Canada & WestJet?

flyoregon · Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:12 pm

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 15):
Interesting, I wasn't aware they stopped that service. It seems like just two or three weeks ago I saw a -8 operating the service. But, it may have been months.

If you saw it on FlightAware or FlightRadar24 or whatever flight tracker, that was just a ferry flight for the C Check. The flights were operated by SkyWest CR7's.

IMissPiedmont · Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:30 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 17):

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OK. Let me try to make it very clear. I did not see it on flightaware or Flightradar or any other database. I saw it out of my office window. And yes indeed, it used to be a daily flight from PDX to TUS operated by Horizon with a DHC-8-400. I was so used to seeing it that I no longer noticed it's absence.

Good grief, nobody believes anything.

Oh, BTW, the SkyWest CRJ service appears to have lasted a very short time.

MCOflyer · Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:31 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):

Why? Competing with faster jets from Air Canada & WestJet?

I think theres no market in MLB for Porter though I have a feeling its them. We shall see.

JoePatroni · Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:16 pm

It could be Sky Regional dba Air Canada Express on the E175. They don't fly to Florida yet.

INFINITI329 · Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:31 pm

Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 20):

It could be Sky Regional dba Air Canada Express on the E175. They don't fly to Florida yet.

Sky regional wouldn't be doing the negotiation it would be Air Canada.

727LOVER · Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:55 pm

It says MLB will install a new jetway for TATL pax...I thought there was already a jetway on the western flank of the terminal.

DeltaRules · Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting mcoflyer (Reply 19):
I think theres no market in MLB for Porter though I have a feeling its them. We shall see.

If I remember right, AC had intended to start YYZ-DAB on a CRJ in the 2002-2003 timeframe but it never launched. I don't know about MLB, but I see a fair number of Canadian license plates (mostly Quebec and Ontario, but other provinces as well) in and around Daytona.

KirkSeattle · Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:05 pm

Looks like it's Porter Airlines starting December 19 from Toronto!

https://www.facebook.com/FlyOrlandoMelbourne

spinkid · Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:35 pm

Yay! My prediction was correct. If only there were prizes for things like this....................................lol

Porter's web site offers it as "Orlando-Melbourne"

Flights are Saturdays only.

SRQKEF · Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:54 pm

My first thought was LIAT as IIRC they don't serve FL and of course have 70 seaters, but I see that it was PD. Has LI ever served Florida?

Mexicana757 · Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:02 pm

Quoting spinkid (Reply 25):
Porter's web site offers it as "Orlando-Melbourne"

Flights are Saturdays only.

Flights start December 19, 2015.

PD 715 YTZ 9:35AM- 12:45PM MLB
PD 716 MLB 1:35PM- 4:45PM YTZ

flyoregon · Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:37 pm

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 18):
Good grief, nobody believes anything.

I never said I didn't believe you. I believe you saw the Q400

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 27):
Flights start December 19, 2015. PD 715 YTZ 9:35AM- 12:45PM MLBPD 716 MLB 1:35PM- 4:45PM YTZ

That will be a long, long flight on a Q400! Cool to see Porter expand!

enilria · Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:50 pm

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 27):
Flights start December 19, 2015.

PD 715 YTZ 9:35AM- 12:45PM MLB
PD 716 MLB 1:35PM- 4:45PM YTZ

It's blocked at 20 mins more than an A319 from YYZ to MCO AND it's 16 miles further. I don't believe it.

flflyer · Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:30 pm

I love how they call it Orlando-Melbourne . that is a 60 mile drive.

Noise · Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:00 pm

Where is Porter finding these aircrafts to keep adding new routes??

ScottB · Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:38 pm

Quoting Noise (Reply 31):
Where is Porter finding these aircrafts to keep adding new routes??

It's Saturday-only. The rest of the schedule is reduced on Saturday as it's not a popular travel day.

Viscount724 · Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 28):
That will be a long, long flight on a Q400

Only 25 minutes longer than AC and WS jets YYZ-MCO which is almost the same distance.

YTZ-MLB 932 nm
YYZ-MCO 917nm

Personally I would rather spend the extra 25 minutes with no risk of a middle seat and free beer/wine/snacks on Porter.

jetset · Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:50 am

Sold as YTZ-MLB non-stop, but most likely will operate YTZ-YHM-MLB. Numbers just don't add up to be able to operate from a 4000FT runway with 75 Pax. My guess they will hop over to YHM for a quick gas and go.
Jetset

AWACSooner · Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:04 am

Quoting flflyer (Reply 30):
I love how they call it Orlando-Melbourne . that is a 60 mile drive.

Better than the stupidity Ryanair advertises here in Europe that's a LOT further away than the cities they claim the airport is located at.

diverted · Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:44 am

Quoting jetset (Reply 34):
Sold as YTZ-MLB non-stop, but most likely will operate YTZ-YHM-MLB. Numbers just don't add up to be able to operate from a 4000FT runway with 75 Pax. My guess they will hop over to YHM for a quick gas and go.
Jetset

My guess is they'll do the same thing as they do on the MYR flying and cap it at about 55/60 pax.

yyz717 · Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:01 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):
Only 25 minutes longer than AC and WS jets YYZ-MCO which is almost the same distance.

YTZ-MLB 932 nm
YYZ-MCO 917nm

Personally I would rather spend the extra 25 minutes with no risk of a middle seat and free beer/wine/snacks on Porter.

Not to mention the shorter commute time to/from YTZ for the M4-M6 crowd.

Wonder if it will be capacity constrained due to the YTZ runway length? Or not an issue in winter months for that distance?

a380787 · Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:07 pm

can we fix the title a bit ? a quick glance made it sound like MEL not MLB

MavyWavyATR · Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:03 pm

I'm just curious as to how Porter will make a profit on this route using only Q400's and capping the number of seats; mainly because the economics of flying the Q400 only work until a certain point.

To be honest, they should've waited for their CS100's to come online before doing these types of hauls; as they can do YTZ-MLB more efficiently on the basis of CASM and payload.

eurowings · Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:22 pm

Here in Europe, BT do some long sectors on the Q400 such as RIX - BRU (891 miles) and RIX - OTP (851 miles).

YXXMIKE · Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:11 pm

Quoting MavyWavyATR (Reply 39):
To be honest, they should've waited for their CS100's to come online before doing these types of hauls; as they can do YTZ-MLB more efficiently on the basis of CASM and payload.

Could they be taking a page of WS book (YHZ - DUB/GLA) and testing the market before they are really able to jump into it. Might also assist with their case (assuming they can sell out the flight) that there needs to be a longer runway for their increasing demand?? Just guessing really, but if it works then hey ho...all good right?

sulley · Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:12 pm

Just met with Porter today - this flight will be weight restricted to 50 pax.

rampbro · Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:33 pm

That is a super gnarly flight for a Q400. 3h10 minutes - yeesh.

Was just reading the wiki for MLB and noticed that Embraer is building a facility close to the airport - is this flight potentially targeting biz flying in the aerospace sector as well?

rikkus67 · Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:44 pm

From the Toronto Star: "...The airline plans to serve a maximum of 50 passengers on a flight, instead of the usual 74 on this Florida route, due to fuel and range considerations. Previously, the farthest Porter had flown is South Carolina.“We constantly get asked to serve Florida. We can start doing it to a limited degree with this route and meet some of this demand now,” said Porter spokesman Brad Cicero, adding Bombardier’s CS100 jets are needed for longer routes. "

FlyPNS1 · Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:51 pm

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 44):
“We constantly get asked to serve Florida. We can start doing it to a limited degree with this route and meet some of this demand now,”

Surprised they didn't go for YTZ-DAB. It's a little bit shorter and gives you the same market. I would also argue that DAB is probably better known than MLB, though I'm not sure if that is true for Canadians.

Or they could give YTZ-PNS or YTZ-ECP a try...they're both a bit shorter than YTZ-MLB! And yes, I'm being facetious.

OB1504 · Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:30 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
They both already fly to Miami.

I was under the impression that Canadian North wasn't coming back next year.

diverted · Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:37 am

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 7):
I have a feeling it's Porter...but what about the possibility of Canadian North/FirstAir sending a combie from YOW? I'm not so sure about south bound freight but I'm sure they could fill 2 pallets north bound.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 46):
I was under the impression that Canadian North wasn't coming back next year.

IIRC the 5T flying was for the Celebrity Cruises contract. It was flown with a full pax aircraft, and it was often subbed out for a 7F aircraft. Would imagine that the floor space is much better utilized with butts in seats than to send a combi. I'm sure FX would end up being much more cost effective than whatever 5T or 7F could do on that route.

I had thought this contract continued into this winter...You're reply is the first I've heard otherwise.

Thenoflyzone · Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:00 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 29):
It's blocked at 20 mins more than an A319 from YYZ to MCO AND it's 16 miles further. I don't believe it.

That's because its winter and de-ice and taxi out will take longer in YYZ than YTZ. Add in the longer taxi time at MCO as well, and an easy 40 minutes of that block time on YYZ-MCO could be spend on the ground.

Comparing flight times would be more accurate if you want to compare the speed of an A319 to that of a Q400.

Block times out of busy airports in the middle of winter are misleading. Airlines usually give themselves a bigger buffer compared to the same route on a summer sked.

FARmd90 · Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:20 am

Will Porter be selling all the seats on the way back to YTZ? Wouldn't make much sense to cap it going both ways? I don't know much about MLB but I would assume it has a nice runway with enough room for the q400 to make the trip back north unrestricted?

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