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Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:31 pm
by KirkSeattle
Florida Today is reporting a new, not yet named, airline will be starting flights to MLB on a 70 seat aircraft. Start with seasonal service.

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/mo...airline-coming-melbourne/32336721/

MLB facebook page hasn't reported anything, neither has their website.


http://mlbair.com/

Well, certainly no one from Europe, that's for sure. Paradise to Paradise ? (from the Carribean?) Could be a Canadian airline? My bet is with the later....

Cheers,
KirkSeattle

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:27 pm
by northstardc4m
70 seats narrows it down...

Bahamasair ATR72
or
Air Canada Express CRJ705 or EMB175

Could be Porter Q400 maaaybe but that's a looooong flight for a q400... unless its a tag like YTZ-MYR-MLB?

I can't think of another foreign airline with 70 seaters in that range of MLB?

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:10 pm
by 727LOVER
Does the article say FOREIGN?.....What about UA?

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:17 pm
by spinkid
From the article

"The carrier doesn't currently service the state, and Melbourne International would be its gateway into Florida.
The carrier is proposing, initially, non-stop, weekly international service from — an unknown destination — on a 70-seat aircraft. The arrangement is seasonal for now but could grow more frequent, and with larger aircraft, as the flights mature at Melbourne International."

seasonal, Non stop and weekly service, currently not serving the state would eliminate Bahamasair and Air Canada. Makes me think it could be Porter, but it is an awfully long flight on a Q400

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:17 pm
by crazytoaster
Says nonstop weekly international service and that this would be the carrier's first destination in Florida.

So no AC. Don't really have a clue.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:25 pm
by Mexicana757
Quoting spinkid (Reply 3):
Makes me think it could be Porter, but it is an awfully long flight on a Q400

I too think it sounds like Porter. It would be a nice addition to their seasonal flights down south.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:53 pm
by krsw757
Maybe a charter operation using Elite? They recently received a crj-700 and were already flying out of MLB. Just a thought.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:17 pm
by Italianflyer
I have a feeling it's Porter...but what about the possibility of Canadian North/FirstAir sending a combie from YOW? I'm not so sure about south bound freight but I'm sure they could fill 2 pallets north bound.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:44 pm
by MAH4546
Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 7):

I have a feeling it's Porter...but what about the possibility of Canadian North/FirstAir sending a combie from YOW? I'm not so sure about south bound freight but I'm sure they could fill 2 pallets north bound.

They both already fly to Miami.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:45 pm
by flyoregon
Quoting krsw757 (Reply 6):
Maybe a charter operation using Elite? They recently received a crj-700 and were already flying out of MLB. Just a thought.

I'd be more surprised if it wasn't Elite.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:59 pm
by KirkSeattle
Quoting krsw757 (Reply 6):
Maybe a charter operation using Elite?
Quoting flyoregon (Reply 9):
I'd be more surprised if it wasn't Elite.

You mean this airline?

http://eliteairways.net/

They already serve MLB. The article said it would be an international airline and it would be their first entry into the state of Florida.

Quoting spinkid (Reply 3):
From the article

"The carrier doesn't currently service the state, and Melbourne International would be its gateway into Florida.
The carrier is proposing, initially, non-stop, weekly international service from — an unknown destination — on a 70-seat aircraft. The arrangement is seasonal for now but could grow more frequent, and with larger aircraft, as the flights mature at Melbourne International."

Anyhow, good for MLB. Be good to hear who it actually is, but fun guessing along the way!

Cheers,
KirkSeattle

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:08 pm
by flyoregon
Quoting KirkSeattle (Reply 10):
The article said it would be an international airline and it would be their first entry into the state of Florida.

Didn't catch that part.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:52 am
by MCOflyer
My bet is that its Porter but I do agree. One long flight on a Q400.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YYZ-MLB&MS=wls&DU=mi

1000+ miles is long. If its Porter, you'd think they would've picked MCO over MLB.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:26 pm
by IMissPiedmont
Quoting mcoflyer (Reply 12):

Horizon runs PDX-TUS with the DHC-8 and that is nearly 1200 miles so it is quite within range. And really, why would a person choose any other aircraft over it? Sure it's a bit noisier than a 737, but unless one is a prima donna, the unobstructed view and the whirly things on the wing are great.

Oh wait, the flying public is a bunch of whiners, never mind.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:15 pm
by flyoregon
Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 13):

Horizon runs PDX-TUS with the DHC-8 and that is nearly 1200 miles so it is quite within range

QX doesn't run PDX-TUS. SkyWest does/did. Whenever you see a Horizon Q400 PDX-TUS, it's going down for a maintenance C Check.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:45 am
by IMissPiedmont
Quoting flyoregon (Reply 14):

Interesting, I wasn't aware they stopped that service. It seems like just two or three weeks ago I saw a -8 operating the service. But, it may have been months.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:13 pm
by 727LOVER
Isn't Porter getting the C0Series?

Quoting mcoflyer (Reply 12):
If its Porter, you'd think they would've picked MCO over MLB.

Why? Competing with faster jets from Air Canada & WestJet?

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:12 pm
by flyoregon
Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 15):
Interesting, I wasn't aware they stopped that service. It seems like just two or three weeks ago I saw a -8 operating the service. But, it may have been months.

If you saw it on FlightAware or FlightRadar24 or whatever flight tracker, that was just a ferry flight for the C Check. The flights were operated by SkyWest CR7's.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:30 am
by IMissPiedmont
Quoting flyoregon (Reply 17):

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OK. Let me try to make it very clear. I did not see it on flightaware or Flightradar or any other database. I saw it out of my office window. And yes indeed, it used to be a daily flight from PDX to TUS operated by Horizon with a DHC-8-400. I was so used to seeing it that I no longer noticed it's absence.

Good grief, nobody believes anything.

Oh, BTW, the SkyWest CRJ service appears to have lasted a very short time.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:31 am
by MCOflyer
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):

Why? Competing with faster jets from Air Canada & WestJet?


I think theres no market in MLB for Porter though I have a feeling its them. We shall see.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:16 pm
by JoePatroni
It could be Sky Regional dba Air Canada Express on the E175. They don't fly to Florida yet.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:31 pm
by INFINITI329
Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 20):

It could be Sky Regional dba Air Canada Express on the E175. They don't fly to Florida yet.

Sky regional wouldn't be doing the negotiation it would be Air Canada.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:55 pm
by 727LOVER
It says MLB will install a new jetway for TATL pax...I thought there was already a jetway on the western flank of the terminal.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:46 pm
by DeltaRules
Quoting mcoflyer (Reply 19):
I think theres no market in MLB for Porter though I have a feeling its them. We shall see.

If I remember right, AC had intended to start YYZ-DAB on a CRJ in the 2002-2003 timeframe but it never launched. I don't know about MLB, but I see a fair number of Canadian license plates (mostly Quebec and Ontario, but other provinces as well) in and around Daytona.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:05 pm
by KirkSeattle
Looks like it's Porter Airlines starting December 19 from Toronto!

https://www.facebook.com/FlyOrlandoMelbourne

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:35 pm
by spinkid
Yay! My prediction was correct. If only there were prizes for things like this....................................lol

Porter's web site offers it as "Orlando-Melbourne"

Flights are Saturdays only.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:54 pm
by SRQKEF
My first thought was LIAT as IIRC they don't serve FL and of course have 70 seaters, but I see that it was PD. Has LI ever served Florida?

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:02 pm
by Mexicana757
Quoting spinkid (Reply 25):
Porter's web site offers it as "Orlando-Melbourne"

Flights are Saturdays only.

Flights start December 19, 2015.

PD 715 YTZ 9:35AM- 12:45PM MLB
PD 716 MLB 1:35PM- 4:45PM YTZ

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:37 pm
by flyoregon
Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 18):
Good grief, nobody believes anything.

I never said I didn't believe you. I believe you saw the Q400

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 27):
Flights start December 19, 2015. PD 715 YTZ 9:35AM- 12:45PM MLBPD 716 MLB 1:35PM- 4:45PM YTZ

That will be a long, long flight on a Q400! Cool to see Porter expand!

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:50 pm
by enilria
Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 27):
Flights start December 19, 2015.

PD 715 YTZ 9:35AM- 12:45PM MLB
PD 716 MLB 1:35PM- 4:45PM YTZ

It's blocked at 20 mins more than an A319 from YYZ to MCO AND it's 16 miles further. I don't believe it.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:30 pm
by flflyer
I love how they call it Orlando-Melbourne . that is a 60 mile drive.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:00 pm
by Noise
Where is Porter finding these aircrafts to keep adding new routes??

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:38 pm
by ScottB
Quoting Noise (Reply 31):
Where is Porter finding these aircrafts to keep adding new routes??

It's Saturday-only. The rest of the schedule is reduced on Saturday as it's not a popular travel day.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:55 pm
by Viscount724
Quoting flyoregon (Reply 28):
That will be a long, long flight on a Q400

Only 25 minutes longer than AC and WS jets YYZ-MCO which is almost the same distance.

YTZ-MLB 932 nm
YYZ-MCO 917nm

Personally I would rather spend the extra 25 minutes with no risk of a middle seat and free beer/wine/snacks on Porter.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:50 am
by jetset
Sold as YTZ-MLB non-stop, but most likely will operate YTZ-YHM-MLB. Numbers just don't add up to be able to operate from a 4000FT runway with 75 Pax. My guess they will hop over to YHM for a quick gas and go.
Jetset

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:04 am
by AWACSooner
Quoting flflyer (Reply 30):
I love how they call it Orlando-Melbourne . that is a 60 mile drive.

Better than the stupidity Ryanair advertises here in Europe that's a LOT further away than the cities they claim the airport is located at.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:44 am
by diverted
Quoting jetset (Reply 34):
Sold as YTZ-MLB non-stop, but most likely will operate YTZ-YHM-MLB. Numbers just don't add up to be able to operate from a 4000FT runway with 75 Pax. My guess they will hop over to YHM for a quick gas and go.
Jetset

My guess is they'll do the same thing as they do on the MYR flying and cap it at about 55/60 pax.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:01 pm
by yyz717
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):
Only 25 minutes longer than AC and WS jets YYZ-MCO which is almost the same distance.

YTZ-MLB 932 nm
YYZ-MCO 917nm

Personally I would rather spend the extra 25 minutes with no risk of a middle seat and free beer/wine/snacks on Porter.

Not to mention the shorter commute time to/from YTZ for the M4-M6 crowd.

Wonder if it will be capacity constrained due to the YTZ runway length? Or not an issue in winter months for that distance?

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:07 pm
by a380787
can we fix the title a bit ? a quick glance made it sound like MEL not MLB

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:03 pm
by MavyWavyATR
I'm just curious as to how Porter will make a profit on this route using only Q400's and capping the number of seats; mainly because the economics of flying the Q400 only work until a certain point.

To be honest, they should've waited for their CS100's to come online before doing these types of hauls; as they can do YTZ-MLB more efficiently on the basis of CASM and payload.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:22 pm
by eurowings
Here in Europe, BT do some long sectors on the Q400 such as RIX - BRU (891 miles) and RIX - OTP (851 miles).

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:11 pm
by YXXMIKE
Quoting MavyWavyATR (Reply 39):
To be honest, they should've waited for their CS100's to come online before doing these types of hauls; as they can do YTZ-MLB more efficiently on the basis of CASM and payload.

Could they be taking a page of WS book (YHZ - DUB/GLA) and testing the market before they are really able to jump into it. Might also assist with their case (assuming they can sell out the flight) that there needs to be a longer runway for their increasing demand?? Just guessing really, but if it works then hey ho...all good right?

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:12 pm
by sulley
Just met with Porter today - this flight will be weight restricted to 50 pax.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:33 pm
by rampbro
That is a super gnarly flight for a Q400. 3h10 minutes - yeesh.

Was just reading the wiki for MLB and noticed that Embraer is building a facility close to the airport - is this flight potentially targeting biz flying in the aerospace sector as well?

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:44 pm
by rikkus67
From the Toronto Star: "...The airline plans to serve a maximum of 50 passengers on a flight, instead of the usual 74 on this Florida route, due to fuel and range considerations. Previously, the farthest Porter had flown is South Carolina.“We constantly get asked to serve Florida. We can start doing it to a limited degree with this route and meet some of this demand now,” said Porter spokesman Brad Cicero, adding Bombardier’s CS100 jets are needed for longer routes. "

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:51 pm
by FlyPNS1
Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 44):
“We constantly get asked to serve Florida. We can start doing it to a limited degree with this route and meet some of this demand now,”

Surprised they didn't go for YTZ-DAB. It's a little bit shorter and gives you the same market. I would also argue that DAB is probably better known than MLB, though I'm not sure if that is true for Canadians.

Or they could give YTZ-PNS or YTZ-ECP a try...they're both a bit shorter than YTZ-MLB! And yes, I'm being facetious.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:30 pm
by OB1504
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
They both already fly to Miami.

I was under the impression that Canadian North wasn't coming back next year.

Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:37 am
by diverted
Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 7):
I have a feeling it's Porter...but what about the possibility of Canadian North/FirstAir sending a combie from YOW? I'm not so sure about south bound freight but I'm sure they could fill 2 pallets north bound.
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 46):
I was under the impression that Canadian North wasn't coming back next year.

IIRC the 5T flying was for the Celebrity Cruises contract. It was flown with a full pax aircraft, and it was often subbed out for a 7F aircraft. Would imagine that the floor space is much better utilized with butts in seats than to send a combi. I'm sure FX would end up being much more cost effective than whatever 5T or 7F could do on that route.

I had thought this contract continued into this winter...You're reply is the first I've heard otherwise.

RE: Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:00 am
by Thenoflyzone
Quoting enilria (Reply 29):
It's blocked at 20 mins more than an A319 from YYZ to MCO AND it's 16 miles further. I don't believe it.

That's because its winter and de-ice and taxi out will take longer in YYZ than YTZ. Add in the longer taxi time at MCO as well, and an easy 40 minutes of that block time on YYZ-MCO could be spend on the ground.

Comparing flight times would be more accurate if you want to compare the speed of an A319 to that of a Q400.

Block times out of busy airports in the middle of winter are misleading. Airlines usually give themselves a bigger buffer compared to the same route on a summer sked.

RE: Porter New Seasonal Service To Melbourne (USA)

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:20 am
by FARmd90
Will Porter be selling all the seats on the way back to YTZ? Wouldn't make much sense to cap it going both ways? I don't know much about MLB but I would assume it has a nice runway with enough room for the q400 to make the trip back north unrestricted?