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First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:16 am

The first of four WestJet 767-300ER aircraft was ferried from LCH to YYC last night.

Cabin configuration as follows:

- 238 seats in 2-3-2 with 31" pitch
- 24 seats in 2-2-2

Seat map:
http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/trav...election/seat-selection-maps.shtml

By next spring, all four aircraft will have inflight entertainment and connectivity system installed.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2zxm61j.jpg
http://twitter.com/WestJet/status/636805457059819520

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2wcg0eo.jpg
http://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/636758161404375040

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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:32 am

That mapple leaf logo looks really good.


Media have been invited to tour it today.

http://www.stockhouse.com/news/press...-to-tour-westjet-s-first-767-today
 
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Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:32 am

I think the 767 looks sharp in WestJet's livery, thanks for sharing the photo & links, a big new step for WestJet, good luck.
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:38 am

For those wondering, all four 767s will be ex Qantas aircraft.

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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:49 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
I think the 767 looks sharp in WestJet's livery,

There is nothing appealing about that livery. Rouge has a much nicer B763 livery.

They need to get these birds airborne ASAP. With all these delays, they are running tight for their ETOPS approval, which should run for 90 days.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/Publications/en/tp6327/pdf/hr/tp6327e.pdf

"A minimum of twelve (one way) demonstration flights must be flown in the
planned actual area of operations. The number of demonstration flights may be increased or decreased by
the POI, on a case-by-case basis based on the factors identified in Paragraphs D.7 (b) (1) through (4). The
initial flight must be flown approximately 90 days prior to the date of anticipated 180 minute approval.
"

December and the Hawaii bookings on these B763 is fast approaching, and if WS doesn't get ETOPS180 in time, then they are not flying to Hawaii come December.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/04/ws-767-dec15/

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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:47 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 4):
There is nothing appealing about that livery. Rouge has a much nicer B763 livery.

But how's the seat pitch  
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:04 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):
That mapple leaf logo looks really good.

Is that new? I've worked with Westjet pretty extensively and this is the first I'm seeing the mountain logo expressed within a Maple Leaf like that. Looks very good.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:11 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 6):
Is that new? I've worked with Westjet pretty extensively and this is the first I'm seeing the mountain logo expressed within a Maple Leaf like that. Looks very good.

Yep it's new. It's being introduced with the 767 fleet, likely to advertise the fact that they are a Canadian airline when serving international destinations.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:07 pm

Looks shap. Good to see these much loved and missed QF birds get a second life.
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:21 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 4):
They need to get these birds airborne ASAP. With all these delays, they are running tight for their ETOPS approval, which should run for 90 days.

Hopefully they have a contingency plan
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:37 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):

C-FWAD was previously a 737-700 now with WN as N566WN.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:05 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 4):

"A minimum of twelve (one way) demonstration flights must be flown in the
planned actual area of operations. The number of demonstration flights may be increased or decreased by
the POI, on a case-by-case basis based on the factors identified in Paragraphs D.7 (b) (1) through (4). The
initial flight must be flown approximately 90 days prior to the date of anticipated 180 minute approval."

You quoted Appendix D, but WS is using seeking approval under Appendix C. Still an agressive time frame but I think based on many years of ETOPS experience and procedures, barring unforeseen circumstances it should be adequate.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:56 pm

Quoting cylw (Reply 11):
You quoted Appendix D, but WS is using seeking approval under Appendix C. Still an agressive time frame but I think based on many years of ETOPS experience and procedures, barring unforeseen circumstances it should be adequate.

Out of curiosity; does the fact that they've flown successfully with their 737-8's make any difference or is ETOP's tied to each aircraft type?

I will say; I think WS missed a bit of the boat here. Given the current question marks around the economy in Western Canada they have likely brought in this plane a bit late to really have made a big dent in some of their new market's. A good example in my mind is the LGW flight's where the VFR traffic from Canada is likely to take a fairly significant dip given the GBP - CAD difference at the moment; so the question is whether or not WS has the ability to attract UK VFR traffic to YYC?

I suspect that HNL will work...because let's face it, winter in Alberta isn't pleasant but I don't think they'll be filling every single seat form the get go; there may be a little less profit than they would have hoped...that's just my two cents though.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 12):
does the fact that they've flown successfully with their 737-8's make any difference or is ETOP's tied to each aircraft type?

Yes, 180 min ETOPS experience on another airframe-engine combo helps.

"On a case-by-case basis, an air operator
already operating at 180 minutes with a different airframe-engine combination may obtain 180 minutes
approval in less than 3 months provided that all the conditions of this Appendix (C) are met."

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 12):
so the question is whether or not WS has the ability to attract UK VFR traffic to YYC?

If they are smart, they will launch YEG-LGW or YWG-LGW, routes that have little to no competition. AC is down to 3 weekly on YEG-LHR, and only summer seasonal at that !

YYC-London already has 2.5 (.5 being TS) carriers fighting over it. Another will be overkill.

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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:40 pm

Great to West Jet now have widebodies! Maybe we will see 787s from them one day in the future?
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:22 pm

I'm more inclined to wonder why its a new plane for the fleet, but IFE & connectivity will not be added till next spring. It would have been cheaper & less down time to get it installed with the reconfigure.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:00 pm

Everyone needs to remember that while well thought out, this is still a test for WestJet. So installing the flight entertainment system and other enhancements won't really impact the test that much. Later installation means less of the test expense is right up front.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:31 pm

All 4 767s will have the Panasonic IFEC installed eventually. I believe the plan is to have the second 767 delivered with the system in place.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:33 pm

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 16):
Later installation means less of the test expense is right up front.

If connectivity system, presumably INTERNET over land and body of water, could be offered on the go (pay per use) all the way to Gatwick next year, could spur significantly their promotional campaign.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:52 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 13):
If they are smart, they will launch YEG-LGW or YWG-LGW, routes that have little to no competition. AC is down to 3 weekly on YEG-LHR, and only summer seasonal at that !

"if they are smart"? Did you think maybe those routes have little to no competition for a reason?
AC isn't at all stupid either. If they do YEG-LHR seasonally, obviously there isn't enough people flying. (for examples sake) 20% end up in London, while the rest of the flight connects to somewhere else.
+ The fact YEG has Icelandair and KLM taking people into Europe, both also fly to London from their hubs.
From YWG, not enough traffic from the city, In MY opinion, to justify a route like that. That's why AC feeds YWG traffic into YYZ for rides to Europe, and WJ can/does/will do the same.
Tell me something also, who does WestJet have that could take their passengers further into Europe from LGW?

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 13):
YYC-London already has 2.5 (.5 being TS) carriers fighting over it. Another will be overkill.

Why is this an overkill? BA and AC to LHR, and TS to LGW. If Westjet would join the party, it could be more of a threat to TS than to BA and AC, + they can grab anyone from the west coast wanting to fly to London.
Isn't it...more competition= better airfares for fliers?
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:29 pm

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 16):
Everyone needs to remember that while well thought out, this is still a test for WestJet.

Exactly. This is an important point to remind.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:17 pm

Very interested to hear the announcement on September 15.

London will always be a draw for Canadian trans-Atlantic operators. While LGW is constrained from next year, from 2017 the missing links in the Thameslink programme will be opened, and the airport will have direct rail access from a number of cities north of London. LGW has a huge catchment area and its only going to get bigger.

In a video interview given to the Calgary Herald on Thursday, Gregg Saretsky might have dropped a few hints about long haul destinations other than London. In the same breath as reminding us of Westjet's partnership with BA (for connections at LGW) he referred to partners including Cathay Pacific, Korean, Japan Airlines, China Eastern and China Southern.

I'm daydreaming now, but would love to see Westjet in Hong Kong or Seoul  
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:33 pm

Still unsure about WS ability to fill these birds up with all the competition....BA AC TS.

Wait and see I guess....   
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:21 pm

A short video from CBC: http://youtu.be/gxdqCyCh7vE
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:25 pm

It does look great but i'm not sure i'm a fan of no AVOD. The overhead bins are so outdated!!

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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 24):
The overhead bins are so outdated!!

Again, one must remember that this is testing the International waters. Much like the original (very well used) 732 fleet, Westjet wants to see how the response is to this new offering. If it works, I don't think it will take too long to transition into a more modern aircraft. If it doesn't work, then they can cut their losses on the older frames. Westjet bypassed the 733/734/735 market, and went right to the NG's. Could we see 787's? It will be interesting to see where the next chapter of growth eventually takes them!

On a side note, the now-nearly 20 year old colourscheme still looks simple, clean and modern. I wasn't sure of the combined corporate logo/maple leaf, but it actually looks pretty good!
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Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:10 pm


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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:15 pm

Many people seem to be focused on Westjet flying the 767s to Europe. I believe the prime market for them is Hawaii. The 737 can't fly from YYC or YEG all the way nonstop to Hawaii. Westjet had been chartering bigger planes, and is now bringing this in house. You can talk about Europe, but that is a much more challenging market with more established competition. Westjet should have no challenges filling these planes up to Hawaii.
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:20 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 27):
I believe the prime market for them is Hawaii.

This winter they'll be used to Hawaii and Montego Bay, but next summer they'll start LGW with them.

WestJet To Send B767 To Montego Bay During Winter (by SpaceshipDC10 Jul 27 2015 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:49 pm

Any chance these fly to Florida occasionally during the winter?
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:09 am

Oi Westjet, we want our 767's back!  
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:53 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):

The first of four WestJet 767-300ER aircraft was ferried from LCH to YYC last night.

Sorry for asking a question that's probably obvious, but what does LCH mean? I'm assuming you aren't referring to the airport?
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 27):
Many people seem to be focused on Westjet flying the 767s to Europe. I believe the prime market for them is Hawaii. The 737 can't fly from YYC or YEG all the way nonstop to Hawaii. Westjet had been chartering bigger planes, and is now bringing this in house. You can talk about Europe, but that is a much more challenging market with more established competition. Westjet should have no challenges filling these planes up to Hawaii.

Yes in the winter. Definitely not in the summer. And they don't need 4 763s for YYC/YEG-Hawaii. They've never had more than 2 wet-leased Thomas Cook 752s for YYC/YEG-Hawaii seasonal services. WS has never operated those routes during the summer. I doubt there will be any 763 service to Hawaii except during the peak winter months as they can fill them much more easily to Europe the rest of the year.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:46 am

Quoting NYPECO (Reply 31):
Sorry for asking a question that's probably obvious, but what does LCH mean? I'm assuming you aren't referring to the airport?

I think he means Lake Charles, LA. The actual airport that the flight left from is CWF/Chennault Intl. in Lake Charles but not LCH airport.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:12 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):

Thanks, you preempted a question of mine!
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:01 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 32):
Yes in the winter. Definitely not in the summer. And they don't need 4 763s for YYC/YEG-Hawaii.
Quoting njdevilsin03 (Reply 29):
Any chance these fly to Florida occasionally during the winter?

Second aircraft will arrive at the beginning of October, third before year's end and fourth next spring.

How many aircraft could they need to operate the Hawaii's flights? Two? Then the third could be used on both YYZ-YYC and YYZ-MBJ (weekly starting in December).
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:41 am

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 22):
Still unsure about WS ability to fill these birds up with all the competition....BA AC TS.
Quoting frostyj (Reply 24):
It does look great but i'm not sure i'm a fan of no AVOD. The overhead bins are so outdated!!

Agree. I hope Westjet does well but they are competing with those who have a much more superior product IMO. That being said, I'm sure they thought this through. If AA can manage to fill their 767s to some of the long haul places that they fly to, Westjet should be okay.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:25 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 35):
How many aircraft could they need to operate the Hawaii's flights? Two? Then the third could be used on both YYZ-YYC and YYZ-MBJ (weekly starting in December).

2 aircraft to operate to Hawaii, just like before. The third aircraft operates YYZ and YYZ-MBJ, MBJ flight is only once a week on Saturday. The YYZ-YYC doesn't operate on the Saturday.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:27 am

All four 767s will deployed to new markets next summer, per WS CEO. DUB was the airline's best new route launch.


http://www.bnn.ca/News/2015/8/27/Wes...-4-wide-body-767-300-aircraft.aspx
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:56 am

If you watch the videos on YouTube one of them features an extended interview onboard the aircraft with the CEO and he mentions that the first B767 will be used to launch routes to Europe.

Apart the the overhead bins looking dated, it's looks very fresh inside, I especially like the blue interior lighting.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:14 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 27):
http://youtu.be/gxdqCyCh7vE

True if you remember back WestJet in the past noted they were getting 767's for the Hawaii-Canada market.
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 27):
Many people seem to be focused on Westjet flying the 767s to Europe. I believe the prime market for them is Hawaii.


YYZ-YVR can also (likely) support the 763, given the high frequency of daily 738's on this route.

Perhaps weekly rotations on other winter routes in due course: YYZ-CUN/MCO/FLL/VRA/PUJ. Given that WS now operates ~35 738's, there must be many weekly rotations that can warrant the ~100 seat extra capacity of the 763.
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:28 pm

Wouldn't these ex-QF birds have really high cycles? I mean, all those endless 1hr 20min BNE/SYD/MEL sectors...

I appreciate they will have been well-maintained, but wouldn't a high cycle count be a negative for them?
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:30 pm

Congradulation West Jet!


Welcome to the widebody club.     
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting vhtje (Reply 42):
Wouldn't these ex-QF birds have really high cycles? I mean, all those endless 1hr 20min BNE/SYD/MEL sectors... I appreciate they will have been well-maintained, but wouldn't a high cycle count be a negative for them?

I was also curious how many hours/cycles they have. They seem to have been struck from the Australian registry, not surprisingly.
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:56 pm

Quoting GDG9 (Reply 44):

Quoting vhtje (Reply 42):
Wouldn't these ex-QF birds have really high cycles? I mean, all those endless 1hr 20min BNE/SYD/MEL sectors... I appreciate they will have been well-maintained, but wouldn't a high cycle count be a negative for them?

I was also curious how many hours/cycles they have. They seem to have been struck from the Australian registry, not surprisingly.
https://casa-search.clients.funnelback.com/search/search.cgi?collection=casa_aircraft_register

Last I read OGJ had around 120,000 hrs and the cycles were just over 18,000 cycles, lower than the Boeing recommend numbers....
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:32 pm

Anyone knows or has it at all been mentioned how many years WS is going to test wide-bodies ops before making a decision?
 
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RE: First WestJet 767 Arrives In Calgary

Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:05 am

I'm pretty sure the hours were in the mid 80,000, certainly not 120,000 hrs.
 
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Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:08 am

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