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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:50 am

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:14 pm

QF to return to DPS this summer -- http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-retur...-bali-with-seasonal-summer-flights

And yet VA doesn't seem able to make that route work      
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 151):
QF to return to DPS this summer

Great news, didn't see this coming though I must admit having read QF's facebook page from time to time, DPS is one destination that does keep on getting mentioned by customers. Congrats to QF. Hopefully it is a success and we see it year round and perhaps from other cities as well.

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And yet VA doesn't seem able to make that route work

Indeed, it makes you wonder what's going on there
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:52 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 140):
Quoting tullamarine (Reply 136):
One day Ryanair may tell us exactly what JB did to him.

Just like those from the anti-AJ faction might one day tell us exactly what AJ did to them to deserve the torrent of abuse that he copped here and elsewhere. RyanairGuru has been perfectly civil in expressing his views.

Sure, AJ made the very expensive decision to shut QF down for a couple of days

You just answered your own question...   

Not to mention the years of shrinking QF and not ordering aircraft (which would have helped with the high fuel prices over the past few years), investing truckloads of cash into JQ for little return and a completely hairbrained idea of RedQ which must have wasted millions...all the while being paid at the top end of the scale of not just airline CEO pays but CEOs in general! Only now is QF looking to grow and is returning to routes it recently dumped (so had shutdown/setup costs to contend with). Also the only reason why QF had such a large profit this year was that billions were written off last year! With fuel prices now being low of course they should be making a profit. VA should also however they are spending a lot more proportionally on growing and rebranding etc the airline.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:32 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 151):
QF to return to DPS this summer

The timings almost mirror those of JQ:

QF43 SYD-DPS 1710-2050 QF44 DPS-SYD 2240-0740(+1)
JQ37 SYD-DPS 1725-2100 JQ38 DPS-SYD 2225-0710(+1)

Bali has plenty of luxury accommodation now and is no longer the domain of "bogans" (though they are still there also). I can see this working during school holidays for QF, especially with the overnight flying. It's basically downtime for much of the 737 fleet.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 152):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 151):
And yet VA doesn't seem able to make that route work

Indeed, it makes you wonder what's going on there

If VA only flew the route during peak times they could probably make it work. But year round, the LCCs rule the roost. Demand to Bali peaks heavily for school holidays and Schoolies.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:18 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
shrinking QF and not ordering aircraft (which would have helped with the high fuel prices over the past few years),

Not ordering aircraft? So I suppose all of those A332', 738's, 717's, Q-400's and Fokker 100's don't count as aircraft. Curious. I suppose the 99 A320 NEO's on order for Jetstar don't count either.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
investing truckloads of cash into JQ for little return

As opposed to NZ / SQ and EY investing truckloads of cash into VA for absolutely zero return?

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
completely hairbrained idea of RedQ which must have wasted millions.

A statement which you can't even remotely provide a single piece of evidence to support.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
ll the while being paid at the top end of the scale of not just airline CEO pays but CEOs in general!

All CEO's are overpaid. Welcome to Australia!

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
nly now is QF looking to grow and is returning to routes it recently dumped (so had shutdown/setup costs to contend with).

Where was the shutdown / setup costs outside of SFO?

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
Also the only reason why QF had such a large profit this year was that billions were written off last year!

Not to mention better fleet utilisation, higher yields, capacity constraint, business re-structuring and decreased fuel prices. No clearly the whole thing was depreciation driven......

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
With fuel prices now being low of course they should be making a profit. VA should also however they are spending a lot more proportionally on growing and rebranding etc the airline.

So you excuse VA for losing money in an environment where it is optimal for making truckloads of $$$ as just about every major carrier around the world is currently while it is effectively doing exactly the same thing as QF is doing? New lounges for VA, new lounges for QF, new business class for QF, new business class for VA, expanding FF program for VA, expanding FF program for QF. They are both doing exactly the same thing at exactly the same time and are both spending money to do it. Proportionately QF is actually spending more considering the SIN / HKG / LAX lounges etc. So don't come on here with that load of rubbish excusing VA for losing money in an environment where they should be making truckloads.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:23 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 151):
QF to return to DPS this summer -- http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-retur...-bali-with-seasonal-summer-flights

And yet VA doesn't seem able to make that route work      

Interesting and definitely didn't see this coming. QF is definitely looking more and more into seasonal routes (AKL-PER, BNE-CHC/WLG, BNE-HBA, SYD-DPS) and hopefully it pays off for them.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:41 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 157):
Interesting and definitely didn't see this coming. QF is definitely looking more and more into seasonal routes (AKL-PER, BNE-CHC/WLG, BNE-HBA, SYD-DPS) and hopefully it pays off for them.

It's interesting that over the Christmas period they believe they can get a higher yield out of DPS than what they can out of some increase domestic flying. If anything, that gives an indication of the softness that is effecting both QF and VA in the market. Is this also QF reacting to the VA / Tigerair re-structure of their Bali routes?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:04 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 158):
If anything, that gives an indication of the softness that is effecting both QF and VA in the market.

I would say its just making use of an aircraft that would otherwise probably be sitting at a gate overnight in Sydney. Good use of an asset overnight. Aircraft can only make money in the air, so the more red-eye overnight type flights they can run with decent loads/yield the more return on the aircraft investment. These work best on the leisure routes were people are less worried about timing of the flight so I think its a good use of the capacity. Perhaps if this works then MEL/BNE could follow (although was MEL a little long for the 738 - numerous comments on threads about VA and MEL-DPS but don't have insight myself)
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:05 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 156):

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
shrinking QF and not ordering aircraft (which would have helped with the high fuel prices over the past few years),

Not ordering aircraft? So I suppose all of those A332', 738's, 717's, Q-400's and Fokker 100's don't count as aircraft. Curious. I suppose the 99 A320 NEO's on order for Jetstar don't count either.

and how many 744's did they get rid of in that time? Most of the Q400's and 738s were just replacing Q200/300 and 733/734 respectively.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 156):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
completely hairbrained idea of RedQ which must have wasted millions.

A statement which you can't even remotely provide a single piece of evidence to support.

So it was all done for free then was it?  
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 156):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
ll the while being paid at the top end of the scale of not just airline CEO pays but CEOs in general!

All CEO's are overpaid. Welcome to Australia!

Yes they are however CEOs that were earning similar pay to AJ were in charge of companies with market caps 3x bigger and with much bigger profits!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:08 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 151):
And yet VA doesn't seem able to make that route work

We don't know that QF has/will make it work yet....

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 156):
As opposed to NZ / SQ and EY investing truckloads of cash into VA for absolutely zero return?

Actually less than zero no?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:18 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 160):
and how many 744's did they get rid of in that time? Most of the Q400's and 738s were just replacing Q200/300 and 733/734 respectively.

You were the one that said "shrinking and not ordering aircraft". A statement that was wrong because they did have a significant number of new aircraft.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 160):
So it was all done for free then was it?

So back it up with some numbers then.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 160):
Yes they are however CEOs that were earning similar pay to AJ were in charge of companies with market caps 3x bigger and with much bigger profits!

But are those companies as complex to run as an airline? Again, to my mind they're all overpaid in just about every industry.

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 161):
Actually less than zero no?

In terms of sharemarket returns / dividends etc you're right because they've all had to fork out more cash, What we don't know is the revenue they've made out of VA putting bums on their seats. Hopefully that has amounted to some sort of payback but we have no way of knowing.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:37 am

Quoting rushed (Reply 159):
I would say its just making use of an aircraft that would otherwise probably be sitting at a gate overnight in Sydney. Good use of an asset overnight.

There are dozens of 738s (both QF and VA) that sit overnight at PER. QF could look at re-introducing an evening PER-CGK flight with a red-eye return.

Also, just throwing an idea out there - would a westbound red-eye BNE-PER ever be feasible? Something like a 1:30am departure with a 5:00am arrival into PER.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:47 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 160):
Yes they are however CEOs that were earning similar pay to AJ were in charge of companies with market caps 3x bigger and with much bigger profits!

Not all of them. In 2014, John Borghetti at Virgin Australia was paid more than Alan Joyce at Qantas:

http://www.afr.com/business/transpor...-qantass-alan-joyce-20140930-jle2v

"Virgin’s John Borghetti paid more than Qantas’s Alan Joyce"

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Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:43 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 163):
Also, just throwing an idea out there - would a westbound red-eye BNE-PER ever be feasible? Something like a 1:30am departure with a 5:00am arrival into PER.

Probable but the last QF flight out of BNE domestically at the moment is at 8:30pm and the next is ~5am (the last QF arrival is 10:40pm). After this time the Qantas end of the terminal is closed until the morning, so it would be an expensive exercise to have to keep check-in, security, restaurant staff etc around for the flight.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 157):
Interesting and definitely didn't see this coming. QF is definitely looking more and more into seasonal routes (AKL-PER, BNE-CHC/WLG, BNE-HBA, SYD-DPS) and hopefully it pays off for them.

And YVR coming back (northern summer 2016) as 3 x weekly:

http://australianaviation.com.au/2015/09/qantas-returning-to-bali/

"Meanwhile, Qantas said it would again operate services to Vancouver during the 2016 Australian winter, with three flights a week between June and August 2016, with Boeing 747-400s."

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:09 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 160):
Most of the Q400's and 738s were just replacing Q200/300 and 733/734 respectively.

And, ergo, there's an increase not only in the size of the fleet but the number of seats available as well.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 158):
Is this also QF reacting to the VA / Tigerair re-structure of their Bali routes?

If I were QF and I wanted to target TT, I wouldn't use my premium product to do it. Completely separate markets.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:27 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 162):
You were the one that said "shrinking and not ordering aircraft". A statement that was wrong because they did have a significant number of new aircraft.

Any 787s? nope (that's what I was referring to btw. They got rid of 747s and didn't replace them or used ex-domestic/JQ aircraft to partially replace them). Did international capacity increase? nope. Did domestic capacity increase? sure as part of an ill-thought out battle with VA. Even then total aircraft didn't really increase much, just smaller older aircraft replaced with larger newer aircraft and better utilization.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 162):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 160):
So it was all done for free then was it?

So back it up with some numbers then

where is your evidence that it didn't cost anything? We probably won't ever know how much it really cost due to the secrecy behind it and the gagging of people like the speechwriter. In any case it was a waste of time and money.

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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 160):
Yes they are however CEOs that were earning similar pay to AJ were in charge of companies with market caps 3x bigger and with much bigger profits!

But are those companies as complex to run as an airline? Again, to my mind they're all overpaid in just about every industry.

Many of them are... many of them have more employees too and operate out of more towns and cities than Qantas does (banks for example).

Quoting mariner (Reply 164):
Not all of them. In 2014, John Borghetti at Virgin Australia was paid more than Alan Joyce at Qantas:

http://www.afr.com/business/transpor...-qantass-alan-joyce-20140930-jle2v

"Virgin’s John Borghetti paid more than Qantas’s Alan Joyce"

and how bad was the Qantas performance last year? terrible!
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:51 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 168):
Any 787s? nope (that's what I was referring to btw. They got rid of 747s and didn't replace them or used ex-domestic/JQ aircraft to partially replace them). Did international capacity increase? nope. Did domestic capacity increase? sure as part of an ill-thought out battle with VA. Even then total aircraft didn't really increase much, just smaller older aircraft replaced with larger newer aircraft and better utilization.

Yet that is not what you wrote in your post above. The fact is significant numbers of new aircraft were both ordered and delivered to Qantas over the past few years. As for the ill-thought out battle with VA, they started it. Was Qantas just supposed to sit there and not respond? Was Qantas supposed to just allow them to take Corporate Contracts and marketshare without a fight? Maybe that's what JB did think but HIS expansion of VA has lost VA hundreds of millions of dollars and forced his shareholders to inject hundreds of millions of dollars into his business to survive a fight that he started. So blame AJ all you like but if VA hadn't picked the fight it would have never happened.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 168):
where is your evidence that it didn't cost anything? We probably won't ever know how much it really cost due to the secrecy behind it and the gagging of people like the speechwriter. In any case it was a waste of time and money.

I'm not making any statements about it. You are. Thankyou for confirming you have nothing with which to back up your statements.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 168):
Many of them are... many of them have more employees too and operate out of more towns and cities than Qantas does (banks for example).

Yet bank branch operations are actually fairly easy to run because you have the same systems and processes on a smaller or larger scale depending on the total number of branches which you can replicate everywhere. And Qantas was in the Top 10 largest employers in Australia for quite a while.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 168):
Quoting mariner (Reply 164):
Not all of them. In 2014, John Borghetti at Virgin Australia was paid more than Alan Joyce at Qantas:

http://www.afr.com/business/transpor...-qantass-alan-joyce-20140930-jle2v

"Virgin’s John Borghetti paid more than Qantas’s Alan Joyce"

and how bad was the Qantas performance last year? terrible!

So Borghetti got paid more than Joyce because VA's performance was "less terrible". At least QF's actually made some money this year. We're still waiting for VA to make even a cent of net profit under JB's leadership.

Now back to our Boeing vs Airbus argument, personally I thought that the A340-500 is a much maligned aircraft........................
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:57 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 168):
Any 787s? nope (that's what I was referring to btw. They got rid of 747s and didn't replace them or used ex-domestic/JQ aircraft to partially replace them). Did international capacity increase? nope. Did domestic capacity increase? sure as part of an ill-thought out battle with VA. Even then total aircraft didn't really increase much, just smaller older aircraft replaced with larger newer aircraft and better utilization.

Suggest you do some research. QF has increased capacity by increasing their utilization of the fleet. A year ago they retimed LHR flights which freed up an A380 which allowed to upgrade DFW which freed up a 744 to be operated elsewhere. This is just one example.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:50 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 168):
and how bad was the Qantas performance last year? terrible!

Aaaaah - moving goal posts mid-game.

You said that other similarly compensated CEO's were running financially successful companies, but that wasn't true of similarly compensated Borghetti.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 169):
Now back to our Boeing vs Airbus argument, personally I thought that the A340-500 is a much maligned aircraft........................

I think that's true of other variants of the A340, too.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:07 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 156):
As opposed to NZ / SQ and EY investing truckloads of cash into VA for absolutely zero return?

Surely the VA lossing money must be starting to get on the nerves on the 3 shareholders?

VA seems to be coming fast an confused airline, thats inherited some of AN's old aircraft.

With the VA fleet now looking like:

777-300er
333-200
737-700
737-800
A320-200
E190
F70
F50
ATR 72-500
ATR 72-600.

Surely that has to be half there problems? running an smallish fleet around with so many different types with some aircraft built in the late 80s.

When you compare it to NZ/SQ/EH it's pretty messed up.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:10 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 169):
Now back to our Boeing vs Airbus argument, personally I thought that the A340-500 is a much maligned aircraft........................
Quoting mariner (Reply 172):
I think that's true of other variants of the A340, too.

It must be because of the subsidies that Airbus received! Subsidies are the tool of the devil!   

It's a shame because I think the A345 is aesthetically pleasing. I've only been on a 343 but it's a much quieter ride than anything of its era. Only bettered by the quiet aboard an A380.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:18 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 173):
Surely that has to be half there problems? running an smallish fleet around with so many different types with some aircraft built in the late 80s.

When you compare it to NZ/SQ/EH it's pretty messed up.
SQ/EY I assume are bad examples as they are not serving small regional domestic centres.

NZ is also a bad example...fleet wise it isn't much better and is a real mix bag:

777-300ER
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767-300ER
A320
B737-300 (up until a week ago)
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ATR72-500
Dash 8 Q300
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It will be interesting to see how NZ profits go in the coming years, with more competition domestically through JQ, and if AA get on currently uncontested trunk routes to the USA which NZ has no current competition on.

This is what effect QF/VA most, both are huge competition domestically for each other, constantly trying/having to one up each other. And international faces stiff competition on all fronts and all routes. Looks like QF have restructured themselves into a position that they can be competitive again, for VA the verdict is still out there...

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Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:40 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 173):

The 737s are one type as are the ATRs. Same for NZ 777s and ATRs, and the 777, 787 is hoped to be rated as a single type in future.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:56 am

Aaaaand once again this thread descends into a pissing contest between Joyce and Borghetti fan boys.
I would like to see any of you step up and run a large airline.

Anyway I think it's time to get back on topic and get over the pissing contest, perhaps start your own thread?
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:59 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 177):
Anyway I think it's time to get back on topic and get over the pissing contest, perhaps start your own thread?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:26 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 172):

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 168):
and how bad was the Qantas performance last year? terrible!

Aaaaah - moving goal posts mid-game.


You said 2014 which was last year so your point is?!

Quoting qf789 (Reply 170):
Suggest you do some research. QF has increased capacity by increasing their utilization of the fleet. A year ago they retimed LHR flights which freed up an A380 which allowed to upgrade DFW which freed up a 744 to be operated elsewhere. This is just one example.

That is freeing up capacity it isn't increasing capacity. It is a good thing to do of course (to a point). As for the freeing up A380 capacity by changing the timing of a LHR flight. This was what QF had before AJ changed it about 4 years ago!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:37 am

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 175):
It will be interesting to see how NZ profits go in the coming years, with more competition domestically through JQ, and if AA get on currently uncontested trunk routes to the USA which NZ has no current competition on.

Analysts have voiced some concern for Air NZ if the possible arrival of American does happen, which is one reason why the share price is down, but the arrival of Hawaiian on HNL-AKL doesn't seem to have affected Air NZ profits too much, and presumably there are some one-stoppers on that, from/to mainland US.

But I'm not sure what's going, because what American actually said was:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11463112

""It's certainly on our radar and we'll continue to explore the route to see when it makes sense financially."

Suggesting that perhaps it doesn't make sense to them - financially - right now, even with fuel at these low prices. Qantas seemed equally cautious:

"Qantas believes that while it was difficult to resume services by itself, it could be feasible in partnership with American Airlines, using the US carrier's planes."

Clearly the intention to apply for the authority suggests they are looking at it - and that it may one happen one day - but it's an odd thing to give the competition, Air NZ and to a much lesser extent Hawaiian, quite so much advance notice of the intention.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 179):
You said 2014 which was last year so your point is?!

That in 2014, when both airlines were unprofitable, one CEO was paid more than the other.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:38 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 179):
That is freeing up capacity it isn't increasing capacity. It is a good thing to do of course (to a point). As for the freeing up A380 capacity by changing the timing of a LHR flight. This was what QF had before AJ changed it about 4 years ago!

If I increase utilisation and therefore am flying more, that means I putting more seats into the market = increased capacity.
Increased capacity doesn't just come from ordering new aircraft....

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 168):
Many of them are... many of them have more employees too and operate out of more towns and cities than Qantas does (banks for example).

So the bosses of Coles/Woolworths should be paid more than Bank CEO's using your logic? Because supermarkets have stores in more towns/cities than banks have branches in and also would have more employees too!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:56 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 162):
Quoting QF2220 (Reply 161):
Actually less than zero no?

In terms of sharemarket returns / dividends etc you're right because they've all had to fork out more cash, What we don't know is the revenue they've made out of VA putting bums on their seats. Hopefully that has amounted to some sort of payback but we have no way of knowing.

I have to check the reports but i think that NZ (and probably SQ and EY) have taken impairments to their investments in VA due to the losses incurred by VA.

Quoting mariner (Reply 172):
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 169):
Now back to our Boeing vs Airbus argument, personally I thought that the A340-500 is a much maligned aircraft........................

I think that's true of other variants of the A340, too.

A346 to me is the most well proportioned aircraft in the sky.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 173):
With the VA fleet now looking like:

They really do need to streamline that. The A320s should all go and be replaced with 738s to start with (incl at TT). Id be trying to replace the 777 and 332s with a common fleet too. Not sure about the smaller aircraft though, I'm not all that well informed of their use.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:16 pm

Regarding the 2 A320's which I too find odd they've opted to retain, I wonder if the eventual plan is to replace them with TT B738's and the flying they currently do being mostly FIFO in-between DPS sectors.

Then VA B737's take over Christmas and Cocos rotations?

Read there has just been another VA 73H lease return.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:18 pm

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 182):
They really do need to streamline that. The A320s should all go and be replaced with 738s to start with (incl at TT).
Quoting QF744ER (Reply 183):
Regarding the 2 A320's which I too find odd they've opted to retain, I wonder if the eventual plan is to replace them with TT B738's and the flying they currently do being mostly FIFO in-between DPS sectors.

Then VA B737's take over Christmas and Cocos rotations?

While I agree the 2 VA regional A320's should go, they wont. First they are on lease and secondly they are predominantly used to 2 mine sites and Christmas and Cocos Island. The 2 A320's are used to fly into CJF and OCM due to its better field performance.

These A320's have not flown to DPS in ages.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 182):
They really do need to streamline that. The A320s should all go and be replaced with 738s to start with (incl at TT). Id be trying to replace the 777 and 332s with a common fleet too. Not sure about the smaller aircraft though, I'm not all that well informed of their use.

Problem being with now 3x airline CEO's being on the board, who all have heavily purchased A320s in the past. Would they support Virgin going anymore deeper into the 737 or would they want to look towards an swap out deal?
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:43 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 185):
Problem being with now 3x airline CEO's being on the board, who all have heavily purchased A320s in the past. Would they support Virgin going anymore deeper into the 737 or would they want to look towards an swap out deal?

I doubt that's an issue. All three airlines have healthy relationships with both manufacturers and Virgin has already committed to the 737 MAX and the BOD has already approved them "going deeper" with the conversion order:

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...in-converts-737-800-orders-to-max/

"Virgin converts 737-800 orders to the MAX"

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:26 pm

Quoting ben175 (Reply 163):
QF could look at re-introducing an evening PER-CGK flight with a red-eye return.

No way... JQ abandoned the route and at least 50% of GA's pax are AMS/LGW transits. Prior to the GA flight being retimed to connect with Europe, the cancellation rate was at one point 50%. It was also one of GA's best performing Australian routes- because it never operated!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:35 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 180):
""It's certainly on our radar and we'll continue to explore the route to see when it makes sense financially."

Suggesting that perhaps it doesn't make sense to them - financially - right now, even with fuel at these low prices. Qantas seemed equally cautious:

"Qantas believes that while it was difficult to resume services by itself, it could be feasible in partnership with American Airlines, using the US carrier's planes."

My thoughts on this, and remembering I've been advocating regional airline feeding JQ within New Zealand for some time, is that QF and AA will be wanting to see how the regional airline performs in NZ and how much additional traffic it can generate. If it's profitable traffic, (and by profitable I mean profitable at a group level not just at the individual route level), and people fly the route regularly, (ie with the ability to earn Qantas Frequent Flyer points QF now has a powerful way of tracking what its higher value NZ customers are doing), then AA / QF will jointly crunch those numbers and see if service is warranted. It probably isn't at the moment because those high value pax have to fly NZ to get around a substantial part of New Zealand or drive but with the regional destinations coming on and them being centred around AKL it gives them an opportunity to gather the data necessary for this decision.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:39 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 186):
I doubt that's an issue. All three airlines have healthy relationships with both manufacturers and Virgin has already committed to the 737 MAX and the BOD has already approved them "going deeper" with the conversion order:

Not to mention SQ choosing to transition the MI fleet from A320 to 737NG then MAX.
 
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Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:23 am

As mentioned on a previous thread todays MH141/140 rotation is operated by the A380, due in SYD around 1945

VN will upgrade to a 777 on SGN-SYD from 30 Nov 15. Shame its not a 787-9 or A359

http://airlineroute.net/2015/09/17/vn-syd-dec15/
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Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:28 am

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Don't forget that QF customers can already book flights to NZ regional destinations via the QF website. QF would be able to use that data also
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Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:44 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 188):

I suspect it's simply a matter of aircraft availability -- it's clearly a route for 787s and AA only has a handful of those aircraft at this stage.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 190):
VN will upgrade to a 777 on SGN-SYD from 30 Nov 15. Shame its not a 787-9 or A359

There were whispers a few weeks ago of VN sending the 789 to SYD starting early-2016 and of a new SYD-HAN service to start around a similar timeframe. Not sure if either of those rumours had any weight to them, probably not given this news.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:57 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 192):
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 188):I suspect it's simply a matter of aircraft availability -- it's clearly a route for 787s and AA only has a handful of those aircraft at this stage.

Yeah I think its an aircraft availability issue. The right aircraft is the 788 or 789 (being smaller than the 773/772) and they probably have more profitable use elsewhere in the AA network. It could be interesting with QF/AA if QF has the 789 available for the route before AA does, if QF will actually start it?
 
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Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:15 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 192):
There were whispers a few weeks ago of VN sending the 789 to SYD starting early-2016 and of a new SYD-HAN service to start around a similar timeframe. Not sure if either of those rumours had any weight to them, probably not given this news.

CAPA are reporting the same:

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Ho Chi Minh-Sydney is expected to transition to the 787 in 2016. Vietnam Airlines is also planning to begin serving Sydney from Hanoi, which will likely be launched in 1H2016 and initially be operated with four weekly A330 frequencies.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:00 am

SYD reports 1.7% increase in passenger numbers in August

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...rt-passenger-numbers-up-in-august/
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:47 am

Noticed that todays QF4 is operated by an A333... checking the record I see quite a few have been lately. Is this new? I thought it was an exclusive A332 (give or take late minute substitutes)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:07 am

Quoting zkokq (Reply 171):
JASDF KC-767J just left YAMB.

It went to Williamtown, saw it there on Thursday night.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:14 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 194):
CAPA are reporting the same:

Hadn't seen that, hopefully the 777 is just a temporary thing.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 196):
Noticed that todays QF4 is operated by an A333... checking the record I see quite a few have been lately. Is this new? I thought it was an exclusive A332 (give or take late minute substitutes)

Seems to have started at the end of August, and mostly on weekend services thus far. Possibly related to school holidays this week and next, or the ongoing reconfigurations?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 128

Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:08 pm

Hi guys,

Some points:
- I've also heard that Vietnam will transition to the Dreamliner for Sydney, mid-2016...
- it's been confirmed that the R2-D2 ANA Dreamliner world publicity tour will miss Australia but we should get it on the inaugural Sydney flight in December (or so the speculation goes)
- I've heard that another international airline is close to confirming the launch of Sydney flights: and no, I don't know who but I suspect Qatar or Turkish...
- a defence contact tells me that after the Bronwyn Bishop 'business' over the past few months, all consideration of an ex-QF VIP A330 for the RAAF has been dropped, and with Malcolm in the big chair it's less likely now anyway until after he has received a public mandate at the next election (whenever that will be) to be PM. The two ex-QF A330s already allocated to the RAAF will be purely 'military', but the issue of replacing the BBJs will be forced again when the leases come up for renewal in a few years...ie about the time a certain airline will be sending back it's pair of oddball A320s to their lessors. Also, this source speculated that a third QF A330 had been considered for RAAF service, and I emphasise, 'had'...

In other, more personal, news:
- I flew on Qantas' A330-200 VH-EBC 24 hours ago. I've flown on A330s before but this was my first with QStreaming and the iPads. I was very impressed with the range of programs available and loved the cloth anchoring point for the iPad on the seat in front of me. I did notice however how many passengers called for assistance with the iPads. I was also seriously impressed with the cabin service, especially that provided by my FA 'Trish'. Is there any way of contacting QF HQ with a 'feedback' complimentary to the FAs and the perfect service I received on that flight?
- I am so excited about my upcoming first Dreamliner flight, a JQ one. Better not be a substitute, but I guess unlikely seeing as JQ has only one A330 left!

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