PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 32

KarelXWB · Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:54 pm

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PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 31 (by American 767 Feb 12 2015 in Civil Aviation)

PITrules · Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:09 pm

In Update Part #28 I attached some postcards featuring PIT and AGC. To get this edition started here are some more from that collection:

PITrules · Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:05 am

G4 has upgauged PIT-PIE to an A320. Helps explain why the PIT base will be Airbus.

While BFD-PIT was had positive reports, JHW-PIT not so much:
http://www.post-journal.com/page/con...At-Jamestown-Airport.html?nav=5192

At least July numbers show marked improvement over June.

"Another major development is in the works near Pittsburgh International Airport — a 75-acre, four-building office and warehouse complex off the airport expressway."
http://www.post-gazette.com/business...ional-Airport/stories/201508290073

GSP psgr · Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:08 am

The latestv OAG schedules have PIT-BDL and PIT-STL being discontinued. It has been axed in the schedules in the past, but has always made it back. We'll see what happens with both. Also, the same schedule has PIT-SFO being discontinued in the winter months of January and February.

PITrules · Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:44 am

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 3):
The latestv OAG schedules have PIT-BDL and PIT-STL being discontinued. It has been axed in the schedules in the past, but has always made it back. We'll see what happens with both.

It's been axed in the OAG threads before, but never in the schedules. As always, the airlines' schedules as shown on their website's booking engine always trumps the AOG threads. In this case, PIT-STL/BDL are indeed discontinued on AA's website (PIT-RDU remains).

It sucks in the short term, but makes the possibility of WN starting PIT-STL/BOS that much more feasible. BOS (not BDL) because AA is also reducing PIT-BOS to only a token presence. If that happens we are better off than today. Also, with AA reducing PIT-LAX, this is four markets in one update that AA reduces PIT, so your previous mention of AA possibly increasing connecting traffic over PIT is wishful thinking IMHO.

UA discontinuing SFO for two months happened this year too. Its amazing PIT will only have 5 weekly flights to the entire west coast; seems like CLE has that many in one day.

GSP psgr · Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:58 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):
It's been axed in the OAG threads before, but never in the schedules. As always, the airlines' schedules as shown on their website's booking engine always trumps the AOG threads. In this case, PIT-STL/BDL are indeed discontinued on AA's website (PIT-RDU remains).

It sucks in the short term, but makes the possibility of WN starting PIT-STL/BOS that much more feasible. BOS (not BDL) because AA is also reducing PIT-BOS to only a token presence. If that happens we are better off than today. Also, with AA reducing PIT-LAX, this is four markets in one update that AA reduces PIT, so your previous mention of AA possibly increasing connecting traffic over PIT is wishful thinking IMHO.

UA discontinuing SFO for two months happened this year too. Its amazing PIT will only have 5 weekly flights to the entire west coast; seems like CLE has that many in one day.

While the new management at PIT has made strides in getting both new leisure (the Allegiant stuff) and niche business routes (the OneJet routes), the loss of RDU and STL will sting. In my opinion, PIT should start offering revenue guarantees for key, crucial business services like SFO, RDU, and STL.

Given how long RDU/STL/BDL have hung around and how low oil prices are now, I have to think that they've been profitable-and I'll go so far as to speculate that one of two things is happening: the first is that Trans States is having problems keeping their other contract flying staffed full time and the PIT operation is being sacrificed in order to keep other things running smoothly. The second theory is that AA is using the merger to end the at risk relationship with Trans States in order to try and capture more traffic through PHL/CLT/ORD.

masseybrown · Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):
Its amazing PIT will only have 5 weekly flights to the entire west coast; seems like CLE has that many in one day.

For two cities so much alike (whether we like to admit it or not

) , it's one of those PIT/CLE anomalies. PIT always has more BOS traffic; CLE always has more LAX traffic.

dumbell2424 · Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:12 pm

Trans States only has crew bases in STL ORD IAD DEN. Trans states doesn't have any other flights into PIT and just LGA into RDU. How will they be staffing the supposedly remaining PIT-RDU?

PITrules · Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:03 pm

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 5):
While the new management at PIT has made strides in getting both new leisure (the Allegiant stuff) and niche business routes (the OneJet routes), the loss of RDU and STL will sting. In my opinion, PIT should start offering revenue guarantees for key, crucial business services like SFO, RDU, and STL.

Well for now, RDU will still be served 3x daily. But I guess that can change at any moment.

The problem with PIT offering the revenue guarantee is that the other city would get equal benefit from the service at PIT's expense. Now if STL were to share in that guarantee, then it might be something to consider. But I can't imagine SFO would entertain the idea for more than 2 seconds. Using revenue guarantees to get the CDG flight was a different matter.

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 5):
Given how long RDU/STL/BDL have hung around and how low oil prices are now, I have to think that they've been profitable-and I'll go so far as to speculate that one of two things is happening: the first is that Trans States is having problems keeping their other contract flying staffed full time and the PIT operation is being sacrificed in order to keep other things running smoothly. The second theory is that AA is using the merger to end the at risk relationship with Trans States in order to try and capture more traffic through PHL/CLT/ORD.

Improved economy, great fuel prices, etc. There is a reason this is happening now. Could be as simple as pilot staffing.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 6):
For two cities so much alike (whether we like to admit it or not ) , it's one of those PIT/CLE anomalies. PIT always has more BOS traffic; CLE always has more LAX traffic.

Are they really that similar though? Even when they were both industrial powerhouses I considered Pittsburgh and Cleveland to be very different cities. Pittsburgh more aligned with the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions, and Cleveland more with the Midwest. It shows in the air service patterns as you point out.

They even look very different. Pittsburgh with its compact vertical skyline nestled between hills and rivers; Cleveland with a large spread out downtown, wide avenues, superior freeways. As time goes on they seem less and less like each other, especially their economic foundation. Here is a great paper which touches on that and other related matters:

htt p://ceosforcitiesworkshop.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/From-Metals-to-Minds.pdf

Edit- Unable to hotlink the above address; be sure to remove the space in "htt p" when copying and pasting.

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 7):
Trans States only has crew bases in STL ORD IAD DEN. Trans states doesn't have any other flights into PIT and just LGA into RDU. How will they be staffing the supposedly remaining PIT-RDU?

TransStates owns Compass and GoJet. Assuming crews are integrated, there should be plenty of ways to route them through PIT and/or RDU. Even if that's not the case it can still be done via LGA as you mentioned.

[Edited 2015-08-31 11:12:48]

GSP psgr · Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:18 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 8):
Well for now, RDU will still be served 3x daily. But I guess that can change at any moment.

The problem with PIT offering the revenue guarantee is that the other city would get equal benefit from the service at PIT's expense. Now if STL were to share in that guarantee, then it might be something to consider. But I can't imagine SFO would entertain the idea for more than 2 seconds. Using revenue guarantees to get the CDG flight was a different matter.

I'd argue that given the relative importance of SFO/SJC to the global economy, paying for access to it is similar to paying to access to another global city such as CDG and should be done. RDU/BDL/STL fall into a different category and different level of what its worth to keep connectivity around.

I fully expect the STL void to be filled by WN sooner rather than later, perhaps as much as twice daily, and that might have happened anyways without the exit of Trans States from the market. I don't expect anyone to backfill Hartford, barring some big WN buildup in PIT, though maybe OneJet could do it. We'll see if RDU hangs around, but I could see Delta Connection or Southwest picking that one up.

masseybrown · Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:44 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 8):
Are they really that similar though? Even when they were both industrial powerhouses I considered Pittsburgh and Cleveland to be very different cities. Pittsburgh more aligned with the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions, and Cleveland more with the Midwest. It shows in the air service patterns as you point out.

Maybe it's the difference in our ages. When I was a kid the Midwest started at the high point of the Alleghenies and went west to God knows where ... Nebraska? Pittsburgh was definitely considered a Midwestern city. Clevelanders went to coming out parties in Sewickley and Pittsburghers went to parties in Shaker Heights. The principal difference was the size of the adjacent body of water. Times change, though.

I'm especially sorry to see AA shrinking at PIT. I hoped they were keeping their PIT facilities as a safety valve against a time when PHL, DCA, LGA, and ORD became unexpandable. To me that time is now, but maybe they just don't care about the domestic traffic they might lose.

OzarkD9S · Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:14 pm

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 9):

I fully expect the STL void to be filled by WN sooner rather than later

If we in STL can get 2 STL-LIT dailies back with WN, STL-PIT should be a no-brainer. I flew the STL-PIT segment on Trans States not too terribly long ago and it was full. On a Tuesday.

GSP psgr · Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:24 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 10):
I'm especially sorry to see AA shrinking at PIT. I hoped they were keeping their PIT facilities as a safety valve against a time when PHL, DCA, LGA, and ORD became unexpandable. To me that time is now, but maybe they just don't care about the domestic traffic they might lose.

Over on the OAG schedule thread there's chatter that the cuts we are seeing are indeed being driven by pilot shortages.

PHL/DCA/LGA can't take much more in terms of flight ops, but they can grow at least a bit by increasing aircraft size. You could double the number of seats AA's running through ORD right now and the facilities they have could handle it (ie bring it back to 1999-2000 levels), plus CLT can handle more growth, as can DFW.

PIT's biggest problems are those wrought by the increase in qualifications for pilots, having 6 major carriers shrink to three, and the costs of the current facility (though that disappears rather soon). Those have combined in very unfavorable ways for markets like PIT, CLE, and CVG, and I'm not entirely sure what the solution is in the short to medium term.

PITrules · Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:51 pm

June and July numbers have both just been released.

June total passengers down 1.3% compared to last year:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/Data/Si.../june-2015-short-e-mail-report.pdf

July total passengers down 0.4% compared to last year:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/Data/Si.../july-2015-short-e-mail-report.pdf

To be honest I expected worse numbers, especially for June. If you recall it was June last year when PIT had that sudden 6% jump in passengers, immediately after the CLE dehubbing. Since then the CLE market has been stimulated nicely so I expected to see a greater loss at PIT.

Otherwise, very nice increases in operations, cargo, mail, and international passengers (especially July with CDG operating daily).

krod031 · Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:55 am

Just saw in the OAG thread that SunAir starting Pittsburgh-hagerstown MD. I see its available in april, but not sure the exact start date.

PITrules · Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:28 am

Quoting Krod031 (Reply 14):
Just saw in the OAG thread that SunAir starting Pittsburgh-hagerstown MD. I see its available in april, but not sure the exact start date.

Starts this Wednesday, according to their website. Talk about a close in start! I guess they can get away with that when they are guaranteed a profit. Regardless, HGR must be doing OK - Dulles gets two additional frequencies for a total of 6, and now two to PIT. This also increases their direct (one-stop) PIT-IAD service from 1x to 3x daily.

OAG thread also suggests Allegiant reductions to JAX, however this not reflected on Allegiant's website. MYR however looks like it will only be 2x weekly next year but SFB will increase to 3x weekly during spring break.

[Edited 2015-09-06 18:42:08]

PITrules · Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:17 pm

A bit more about the new PIT-HGR flights:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/09/prweb12948724.htm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 15):
Dulles gets two additional frequencies for a total of 6, and now two to PIT.

Correction on that, the OAG update was incorrect (shocker). The existing Dulles frequencies will now be split with PIT....each now getting two daily flights on weekdays.

Interesting that Sun Air is doing this given the far superior connecting opportunities at IAD. Then again its only a 1:15 drive to IAD.

GSP psgr · Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:42 pm

OAG listings suggesting that DL will cut all service from PIT to CVG in October and November, which is slightly surprising. One would think there's enough O&D on this route to sustain at least a daily service during the week. Maybe Delta's having problems staffing its regional flying.

It has not been a good run for PIT these last few weeks-the end of Hartford and St. Louis as well as suspensions to SFO and CVG. So far, not that impressed with the new management in charge-if you're not travelling to Florida, our air service actually continues to get worse.

PITrules · Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:08 am

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 17):
It has not been a good run for PIT these last few weeks-the end of Hartford and St. Louis as well as suspensions to SFO and CVG. So far, not that impressed with the new management in charge-if you're not travelling to Florida, our air service actually continues to get worse.

I have to disagree, wrt PIT's new management and our air service getting worse. Yes, we will lose STL and BDL, and CVG for a few months (SFO is not a yoy cut). The loss of STL and BDL are 100% due to a pay shortage at the regionals. Since Ms. Cassotis arrived on the scene we have gained service to:

IND
MKE
DAL
HGR
JHW
BFD
AOO
LNS
FKL
PIE
MYR
PGD
JAX
SFB
YTZ
FPO

Granted, some of these have been in the works before she arrived. What I find encouraging is that Allegiant, OneJet, Porter, and Sun Air are all very different airlines yet have each committed multiple routes to PIT (with the exception of Porter). I still can see WN pick up STL and BOS (to cover for BDL) and OneJet to MEM. I fully expect CVG to be totally cut at some point and when it is it will have OneJet and/or Ultimate Air Shuttle written all over it.

Having said all that, there obviously remains much work to be done and ACAA's air service development team has its work cut out for them.

tarmacphotos · Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:39 am

If anyone is interested, I scanned some old PIT photos that my parents took into a gallery:

https://tarmacphotos.smugmug.com/VintagePhotos/

[Edited 2015-09-14 00:41:46]

[Edited 2015-09-14 00:42:11]

tooluther · Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:19 pm

From the PIT FB page:
"Make tracks to a new international destination and airline at PIT. Coming Monday, Sept. 21!"

Frontier? To Mexico?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153704191138933

N670UW · Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:27 pm

Porter begins YTZ service on the 21st

tooluther · Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:37 pm

I didn't realize Porter had an animal mascot. Obviously it is them...weird that PIT would post something so cryptic.

PITrules · Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:59 pm

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 19):
If anyone is interested, I scanned some old PIT photos that my parents took into a gallery:

Great pics! Thanks for sharing.

Quoting tooluther (Reply 22):

I didn't realize Porter had an animal mascot. Obviously it is them...weird that PIT would post something so cryptic.

Agreed, why so cryptic? Just say Porter and Toronto Island. It has been shown time and time again that when a new airline comes into the market and lowers prices, Pittsburghers still show their loyalty to the carrier that previously charged monopoly fares. Considering both Porter and Toronto Island have no name recognition whatsoever in the region, Porter will need all the help they can get - the ACAA's FB post didn't help any.

JetBlue operated a A320 charter today to LBE
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...2/history/20150914/1130Z/KMCO/KLBE

PITrules · Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:17 pm

Just a reminder, The World Routes forum in Durban SA will be this weekend.

Here is PIT's profile page (not much info without a login):
http://www.routesonline.com/airports.../pittsburgh-international-airport/

They will have expanded choice meetings with 8 airlines; 7 int'l and 1 domestic. 3 of the int'l will include Lufthansa, Air Berlin, and Condor.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...rt-authority-takes-aggressive.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/business...ht-to-Germany/stories/201509150092

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/9...h-conference-airport#axzz3lqeBmTsm

Condor seems to be the most realistic of those three considering they have shown willingness to serve unique markets such as PVD and markets that already have adequate service to Europe such as PDX, SEA, and MSP with limited and/or seasonal schedules.

LH is a pipe dream, unless they are pushing for LH's new low cost long haul operation, which happens to be based in CGN - the global headquarters of Lanxess and Covestro (formerly Bayer Material Science) whom have their N. American HQ in Pittsburgh.

I imagine the domestic airline is either Southwest, Frontier, or Virgin America

Cush · Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:10 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 24):
Condor seems to be the most realistic of those three considering they have shown willingness to serve unique markets such as PVD and markets that already have adequate service to Europe such as PDX, SEA, and MSP with limited and/or seasonal schedules.

LH is a pipe dream, unless they are pushing for LH's new low cost long haul operation, which happens to be based in CGN - the global headquarters of Lanxess and Covestro (formerly Bayer Material Science) whom have their N. American HQ in Pittsburgh.

I know there has been a lot of discussion about a new route to europe and where it could be, but my honest 2 cents is that our next city is Frankfurt in lieu of London.

Look at the PIT-CDG service. How many of those pax are connecting elsewhere? I fly to Europe 3-4 times per year, and each time my connections are through Frankfurt or Zurich.

London wouldn't work for the simple fact that British aviation taxes are so expensive! Lets look at this for example. You are on orbitz and pricing a trip. Say you are going from PIT to Athens, Greece. Chances are it will show you flights through Frankfurt or Zurich since the taxes/fees there are much cheaper. Yes the base fare through London and Frankfurt might be the same, but the taxes/fees for London might be 500-600 dollars, whereas Frankfurt is only 200-300.

So in short. This is why i don't think London would work. People will always search for the lowest fare (unless you are a business traveler on a strict schedule), which means that a PIT-LGW/LHR flight would never survive.

Frankfurt service by Condor or Lufthansa is what i think will eventually happen. I worked the Frankfurt flight years ago and they were usually pretty filled. Premium and Coach.

PITrules · Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:15 am

Quoting Cush (Reply 25):
London wouldn't work for the simple fact that British aviation taxes are so expensive! Lets look at this for example. You are on orbitz and pricing a trip. Say you are going from PIT to Athens, Greece. Chances are it will show you flights through Frankfurt or Zurich since the taxes/fees there are much cheaper.

But I don't think British aviation taxes apply to int'l connections? I just looked at your exact example on Orbitz. The cheapest fare actually was via LHR. (PIT-PHL-LHR-ATH). Regardless, the taxes are included in the price displayed by the booking engine, and AA/BA certainly will compete for connecting traffic based on total price.

So the only time that will come in to play is London O&D traffic, which remains the largest market in Europe by a long shot, as it does from most US markets.

"Hagerstown Regional Airport director: Interest in Pittsburgh flights is starting to take off"
http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/...7-fabc-59b9-984d-d31cff4ec24d.html

GSP psgr · Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:24 am

PG article on PIT-CVG

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/re...to-Cincinnati/stories/201509220199

krod031 · Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:39 am

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 27):
PG article on PIT-CVG

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/re...20199

DL Must of had second thoughts about this, because it resumes on December 1st. 1x daily.

masseybrown · Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:49 am

Quoting Krod031 (Reply 28):
DL Must of had second thoughts about this, because it resumes on December 1st. 1x daily.

2x in January.

PITrules · Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:37 am

Some recent visitors and new additions:

PITrules · Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:33 am

Gabe Monzo hinting that LBE-LAS might come back on a seasonal basis:

"Latrobe's Arnold Palmer Regional Airport sees increasing traffic"
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/tra...asing-traffic/stories/201510300001

"Carnegie Mellon partners with Boeing to form new aerospace data analytics lab"
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/9...eing-data-university#axzz3nIR3XHct

GSP psgr · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:53 am

As was somewhat expected, Southwest will be starting PIT-STL 1X daily in March; morning departure from PIT with a late return from STL.

flightsimer · Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:38 am

Were the 767's charters or diversions?

USFlyer26 · Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:16 pm

New bar in the Airmall.

http://triblive.com/aande/diningout/...74/martini-cafe-menu#axzz3nykHiu1b

PITrules · Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:31 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 33):
Were the 767's charters or diversions?

NFL charters

GSP psgr · Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:15 pm

It's a very modest drop in cost per enplanement (2 cents), but it's better than nothing.....

http://www.post-gazette.com/business...in-Pittsburgh/stories/201510100022

PITrules · Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:20 am

"Porter Airlines is promoting Pittsburgh as a tourist destination up north."
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/...ion-in-Canada/stories/201510110072

flightsimer · Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:59 am

A decent read.

http://www.timesonline.com/news/tran...e5-b174-fbde23a8e304.html?mode=jqm

PITrules · Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:20 pm

Well that wasn't biased at all

. USAir/US Airways/AA isn't a Pittsburgh charity. Mike Dawida should be the last to have a public opinion on this issue. He claims that PIT saved US millions, when in fact its been public knowledge that they lost tens of millions under his watch at PIT, and the "new airport" didn't reverse what was, again under his watch, a dying region at the time as was promised.

[Edited 2015-10-12 06:35:21]

PITflier · Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:00 am

Bit of an odd question but its something thats always nagged me. Can anyone tell me why at the airport concourses A, B, and C are all level, but concourse D varies in height at different points?

PITrules · Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:12 am

Quoting PITflier (Reply 40):
Bit of an odd question but its something thats always nagged me. Can anyone tell me why at the airport concourses A, B, and C are all level, but concourse D varies in height at different points?

That's due to elevation. The northwest part of the airport is a bit higher than the rest. In fact, IIRC runway 10L is about 100' higher than runway 32.

tooluther · Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:46 am

Since American doesn't particularly care, and I don't have time to look it up this morning, does anyone know what the last US flight into and out of PIT will be today?

I thought the last arrival might be the LAX flight; I didn't realize how (relatively) early that flight departs.

dabpit · Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:56 pm

Here is an article from USA Today about the last US Airways flights

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...l-flight-american-merger/73922874/

[Edited 2015-10-16 06:56:48]

PITrules · Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:26 pm

August numbers are out. Passengers are up 1.3% and operations are up 9.4%
http://www.pitairport.com/pit-traffi...t-southwest-contribute-to-growth-1

boeingkid · Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:57 pm

How much different would PIT be today if they would have let up on the landing fees and allowed Spirit to fly there instead of LBE? I have flown into LBE several times and had to wait because the ORD flight got there late. With all the gates at PIT this would not have been an issue

PITrules · Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:45 am

"Pittsburgh International wants flights to more cities. Where is it looking next?"
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ational-wants-flights-to-more.html

Neat historical article and pics of helicopter service from downtown to PIT and AGC in the 1960s:
http://newsinteractive.post-gazette....om-pittsburgh-downtown-to-airport/

Cush · Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:38 pm

Southwest to replace American on the PIT-STL Route. Sorry if this was already posted. http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/9...rlines-louis-nonstop#axzz3p890LVll

dabpit · Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:52 pm

Did anyone else see the post on the airport's facebook page yesterday? It said "Meet me in (blank)." Big announcement by Southwest Airlines tomorrow! Happening at 11am by the ticket counter.

More routes in addition to STL?

PITrules · Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:46 pm

Slot machines at PA airports is actually gaining traction:
http://www.timesonline.com/news/gove...e-7c25-11e5-b2ad-ef2c95588ec5.html

Only PHL is against the plan:
http://lancasteronline.com/opinion/e...2-7c31-11e5-ad33-2bde2cb357c4.html

That's mighty rich of them, considering they benefitted from PIT's dehubbing, and they generate more income than all of PA's other commercial airports combined. What do they care if the other airports are allowed slots?

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