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OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:07 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

2O ADQ-KLN OCT 3>1.9 NOV 3>1.8 DEC 3>1.9 JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8

6G LNS-PIT OCT 1.0>3 NOV 1.0>3 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>3 APR 1.0>3

*AA BDL-PIT NOV 3>0.4 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
AA BOS-BUF DEC 1.9>1.2
AA BOS-LGA NOV 13>11
AA BOS-PIT DEC 3>1.7
AA CLT-CAK DEC 8>7
AA CLT-MCI DEC 6>5
AA CLT-PDX DEC 1.0>0.5
AA CLT-SLC DEC 1.0>0.5
AA DCA-BOS NOV 15>14
AA DCA-LGA NOV 14>13
AA DFW-BNA DEC 10>9
AA DFW-CUN MAR 6>7
AA DFW-LIR MAR 0.9>1.0 APR 0.5>0.4
AA DFW-PVR APR 1.9>3
AA DFW-SAT DEC 16>15
AA DFW-SJU MAR 2.0>3 APR 1.2>1.3
AA DFW-ZCL DEC 0.4>0.5
AA DFW-ZIH FEB 0.1>0.3 MAR 0.1>0.3
AA JFK-CMH DEC 2>1.5
AA JFK-LAS DEC 2>1.5
AA LAX-ABQ JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
AA LAX-DFW DEC 16>17
*AA LAX-ELP JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
AA LAX-FAT DEC 4>3
AA LAX-LHR NOV 2>1.8
AA LAX-PIT DEC 1.0>0.7
AA LAX-SAN NOV 7>6 DEC 9>8
AA LAX-SFO DEC 9>10
AA LAX-YVR DEC 2>1.5
AA MIA-EZE APR 2>3
AA MIA-GGT MAR 1.8>2 APR 1.0>1.1
AA MIA-JAX DEC 7>6
AA MIA-LHR NOV 2>1.9
AA MIA-SCL APR 1.0>1.1
AA MIA-SLC DEC 0.5>0.3
AA MIA-TGU DEC 1.7>2
AA ORD-JAX DEC 2>1.4
AA ORD-MBJ MAR 0.9>1.0
AA ORD-PVR MAR 1.6>1.8
AA ORD-RNO DEC 1.0>0.5
AA PHL-BDA MAR 0.2>0 APR 1.0>0.9
AA PHL-BOS NOV 17>16 DEC 18>17
AA PHL-BWI DEC 8>7
AA PHL-DEN DEC 2>1.5
AA PHL-DFW NOV 11>10 DEC 12>11
AA PHL-LAS DEC 4>3
AA PHL-LGA DEC 9>8
AA PHL-LHR NOV 1.9>1.7
AA PHL-MYR DEC 1.0>0.5
AA PHL-ORD NOV 10>9 DEC 12>11
AA PHL-ORF NOV 7>6 DEC 8>7
AA PHL-SAV DEC 1.0>0.5
*AA PHL-TLV JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
AA PHL-YHZ DEC 2>1.5
AA PHL-YQB DEC 2>1.5
AA PHX-CUN DEC 2>1.8
AA PHX-DFW NOV 13>12 DEC 14>13
AA PHX-GEG DEC 2>1.5
AA PHX-MCI DEC 4>3
AA PHX-ORD DEC 10>9
AA PHX-SJO MAR 0.8>1.0
AA PHX-STL DEC 4>3
*AA PIT-STL DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0

AC JFK-YYZ NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2
AC MIA-YUL DEC 1.4>1.1
AC OGG-YVR NOV 1.0>0.7
AC RSW-YUL DEC 1.0>0.5

AR MIA-EZE OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3

Strange? Airport construction?
AS PDX-RDM MAY 4>1.2
AS SEA-RDM MAY 4>1.2

B6 FLL-JAX NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
B6 FLL-SJU MAR 6>5 APR 6>5

BA LAS-LHR APR 1.0>1.4 MAY 1.0>1.4
BA SEA-LHR APR 1.6>1.7 MAY 1.5>1.7
BA SJC-LHR MAY 0>0.9

BW JFK-POS FEB 4>3

CM JFK-PTY DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4

CX EWR-HKG FEB 1.0>0.9
CX JFK-HKG FEB 4>3
CX LAX-HKG FEB 5>4

DL ATL-BRU FEB 0.8>0.6
DL ATL-CDG JAN 2>1.8 FEB 3>1.8

DL ATL-FCO NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.9
DL ATL-FLL NOV 15>14
DL ATL-LHR NOV 1.8>1.7
DL ATL-MAD FEB 0.8>0.6
DL ATL-STR FEB 1.0>0.9
DL BOS-AMS APR 1.9>2
DL BOS-CDG FEB 1.0>0.9
This must be related to the UA EWR slot deal. Anybody know what happened?
*DL ATL-EWR JAN 9>10
*DL CVG-EWR DEC 1.3>3 JAN 1.7>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
*DL DTW-EWR DEC 5>7 JAN 5>7 FEB 6>8 MAR 6>8
DL EWR-AMS FEB 0.8>0.6
DL EWR-CDG FEB 0.8>0.6
DL INL-MSP NOV 0.9>0.7
DL JFK-EDI MAY 0>0.2
DL LAX-ATL MAR 9>11
DL ORD-CDG FEB 0.7>0.6
DL PDX-AMS FEB 1.0>0.9
DL SEA-ATL APR 6>7
DL SEA-CDG JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.7
DL SEA-DTW APR 4>5
DL SEA-PHX MAY 3>4
*DL SEA-YEG JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
DL SLC-CDG JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8
*DL SLC-LHR MAY 0>1.0
DL SLC-MEX MAR 1.0>0.8 APR 1.0>0.9 MAY 1.0>0.8

That must not be going so well
*F9 ATL-MIA DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 0.3>0.1
F9 TPA-TTN DEC 0.5>0.3

G4 PIE-YNG FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3

JJ MIA-FOR OCT 0.2>0.3 NOV 0.1>0.3 DEC 0.2>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3 MAR 0.1>0.3 APR 0.2>0.3 MAY 0.1>0.3

*JL DFW-NRT DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.5 APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.6
JL HNL-NRT NOV 3>4

KS ANC-CDB OCT 0.8>0.4
KS ANC-DLG APR 0.2>3 MAY 0>3
KS ANC-SDP OCT 0.9>0.5

LA MIA-CUN JAN 0.2>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.4

M5 BFI-ESD JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAY 2>0
M5 BFI-FRD MAY 1.0>0
M5 DHB-LKE FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
M5 ESD-FRD APR 3>1.5 MAY 3>0
M5 FBS-LKE FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
M5 KEH-LKE FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
M5 LKE-LPS FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
M5 LKE-RCE FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
M5 LKE-WSX FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
M5 LKE-YWH FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0

MW HNM-OGG OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>2

PR HNL-MNL APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7
PR LAX-MNL OCT 1.5>1.3 NOV 1.6>1.4

RJ JFK-AMM NOV 0.6>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.5
RJ ORD-AMM NOV 0.7>0.6 FEB 0.8>0.6

SE JFK-CDG APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.2

SV JFK-JED MAR 0.3>0.5

SY DFW-CUN MAY 0.0>0.6
SY LAS-MSP MAY 0.1>3
SY MCO-MSP MAY 0.1>1.2
SY MSP-CUN MAY 0.0>0.3
SY MSP-PHX MAY 0.0>0.7
SY MSP-RSW MAY 0.0>0.7
SY RSW-CUN MAY 0>0.3
SY RSW-SJU MAY 0.0>0.5

TJ BOS-HPN OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3

TP EWR-LIS FEB 0.7>0.6

*UA AUS-CUN MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.2>0
UA CLE-CUN APR 0.5>0.2
UA DEN-AMA APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.9
UA DEN-ASE MAR 8>9 APR 7>6 MAY 7>5
UA DEN-ATL JAN 3>4
UA DEN-BOS MAY 4>5
UA DEN-CUN MAR 1.5>3 APR 1.5>3
UA DEN-DSM APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
UA DEN-EGE APR 2.0>1.2 MAY 1.9>1.0
UA DEN-ELP MAY 3>4
UA DEN-GJT APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
UA DEN-HDN APR 3>1.4
UA DEN-LAS APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
UA DEN-PHX APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
UA DEN-PSP APR 3>4
UA DEN-PVR MAR 0.8>1.4 APR 0.7>1.0
UA DEN-SAN JAN 3>4
UA DEN-SJD APR 0.5>0.4
UA DEN-TUL APR 3>5 MAY 3>5
UA EWR-ANU APR 1.2>0.6
UA EWR-AUA MAR 1.6>3 APR 1.5>3
*UA EWR-AVL JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
UA EWR-BDA APR 0.9>0.5
UA EWR-BQN MAR 0.8>1.0 APR 0.7>1.0
UA EWR-CUN MAR 4>5 APR 3>6 MAY 3>4
UA EWR-DEN APR 6>8 MAY 6>9
*UA EWR-DSM JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
UA EWR-GCM APR 0.3>0.2
UA EWR-LIR MAR 1.0>1.3 APR 0.9>0.6
*UA EWR-MYR MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
UA EWR-NAS APR 1.2>1.7
*UA EWR-OKC JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
UA EWR-PLS APR 1.3>1.4
UA EWR-POP APR 1.3>1.1
UA EWR-POS APR 0.1>0
UA EWR-PTY MAR 1.6>3 APR 1.3>1.7
UA EWR-PVR APR 0.9>0.5
UA EWR-SDQ MAR 1.1>1.0 APR 1.3>1.0
UA EWR-SJD MAR 0.8>0.5 APR 1.0>0.4
UA EWR-SJO APR 1.9>3
UA EWR-SJU MAR 3>5 APR 3>4 MAY 1.5>1.6
UA IAD-AUA MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.5>0.2
UA IAD-CUN MAR 1.4>3 APR 1.5>3
UA IAD-DEN APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
UA IAD-MBJ APR 0.3>0.4
*UA IAD-PDX JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
UA IAD-PUJ MAR 1.6>1.4
*UA IAD-PWM JAN 1.9>0.1 FEB 3>0 MAR 2>0 APR 2>0
UA IAD-SJD APR 0.2>0.0
UA IAD-SJU MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 0.8>0.5
*UA IAD-SMF JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
UA IAD-STT APR 0.9>0.4
UA IAD-SXM MAR 0.1>0.4
*UA IAD-TUL JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 1.0>0
UA IAH-ACA APR 1.0>0.5
UA IAH-AUA MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.2
UA IAH-BON MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.2
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:26 pm

Thanks as always for posting this stuff...  
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA BDL-PIT NOV 3>0.4 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA PIT-STL DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0

These are worth keeping an eye on as they've disappeared/reappeared a time or two before. They are at-risk flying (AX I believe) and perhaps that leads to the occasional oddity.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*UA EWR-DSM JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
*UA EWR-OKC JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
*UA IAD-PDX JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
*UA IAD-PWM JAN 1.9>0.1 FEB 3>0 MAR 2>0 APR 2>0
*UA IAD-SMF JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
*UA IAD-TUL JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 1.0>0

If I'm not mistaken these mirror similar cuts loaded for winter-spring 2015 (some of which were reversed). I get that the dead of winter is a trough, of course, and that some markets don't really recover until mid-spring. But in an era of cheap oil and a solid business economy seasonal cuts like these in routes which seemingly should have solid business demand make me grimace a bit.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:56 pm

UA IAH-BON MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.2
UA IAH-BZE APR 3>1.9
UA IAH-CUN MAR 6>7 APR 7>6
UA IAH-CZM APR 1.2>0.6
UA IAH-DEN APR 12>13 MAY 12>13
UA IAH-GCM MAR 1.2>0.7 APR 1.3>0.7
*UA IAH-GJT JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
UA IAH-HUX MAR 0.9>0.4 APR 0.4>0.2
UA IAH-LIR MAR 3>4
UA IAH-MBJ MAR 0.5>0.4 APR 0.3>0.5
UA IAH-MGA APR 3>1.7
UA IAH-NAS MAR 1.2>1.0 APR 1.2>1.0
UA IAH-OAX DEC 0.8>1.0
UA IAH-PUJ MAR 0.6>0.4 APR 0.3>0.5
UA IAH-PVR MAR 1.9>3 APR 1.9>1.6
UA IAH-RTB MAR 1.1>0.8 APR 1.0>0.9
UA IAH-SAP MAR 1.1>1.0 APR 1.2>1.0
UA IAH-SJD MAR 3>2
UA IAH-SJU MAR 1.3>3 APR 1.3>1.6
UA IAH-TGU MAR 1.1>1.0
UA IAH-ZIH APR 1.0>0.5
UA IAH-ZLO MAR 0.9>0.4 APR 0.4>0.2
*UA LAX-ABQ JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA LAX-BOI JAN 2>1.3
UA LAX-BOS JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.7
AS must be happy.
**UA LAX-BWI JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
UA LAX-CLE JAN 1.9>1.1
UA LAX-CUN MAR 1.3>1.6 APR 1.3>1.7
UA LAX-IAD JAN 5>6
UA LAX-PVR MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.2
UA LAX-SJD MAR 0.8>0.2 APR 0.9>0.5
UA ORD-AUA MAR 0.9>0.7 APR 0.9>0.3
UA ORD-BZE APR 0.2>0.0
UA ORD-CUN MAR 3>4
UA ORD-DEN APR 10>11 MAY 10>11
UA ORD-FLL FEB 3>4
*UA ORD-HSV JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
UA ORD-LIR APR 0.5>0.3
UA ORD-MBJ APR 0.5>0.2
UA ORD-NAS MAR 0.8>0.9 APR 0.9>0.6
UA ORD-PHX FEB 4>5 MAR 3>4
UA ORD-PNS FEB 0.7>0.1
UA ORD-PUJ APR 1.1>1.3
UA ORD-PVR MAR 1.3>1.8 APR 1.2>0.8
UA ORD-SJD MAR 0.9>0.5 APR 1.2>0.5
UA ORD-SJU MAR 1.3>1.9 APR 1.0>1.2
UA ORD-SXM MAR 0.2>0.4
*UA ORD-YQB JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
*UA SAT-CUN MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.2>0
UA SFO-ASE JAN 3>1.4
UA SFO-AUS JAN 5>4
UA SFO-BOS JAN 7>6
UA SFO-BUR JAN 6>5
UA SFO-BWI JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6
UA SFO-CUN MAR 1.3>1.6 APR 1.3>1.7
UA SFO-DEN APR 9>10 MAY 9>10
UA SFO-EUG JAN 7>6
UA SFO-EWR JAN 11>12
UA SFO-LAS JAN 9>10
UA SFO-LAX JAN 14>13
UA SFO-MSP JAN 3>2.0
*UA SFO-PIT JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
UA SFO-PVR MAR 1.3>1.5 APR 1.3>1.4
UA SFO-SEA JAN 9>8
UA SFO-STL JAN 1.1>1.8
UA SFO-TUS JAN 1.3>3 FEB 1.0>4 MAR 1.0>3
UA SFO-YEG JAN 2>1.1
UA SFO-YYJ JAN 2>1.1

UN JFK-VKO NOV 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3

VW MFE-MEX OCT 0.5>0.7 NOV 0.6>0.7

XL MIA-GRU OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:57 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 1):
Thanks as always for posting this stuff...

 
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 1):
These are worth keeping an eye on as they've disappeared/reappeared a time or two before. They are at-risk flying (AX I believe) and perhaps that leads to the occasional oddity.

I'm sure it has something to do with crew or fleet changes.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SY MSP-RSW MAY 0.0>0.7
SY RSW-CUN MAY 0>0.3
SY RSW-SJU MAY 0.0>0.5

Good to see these routes coming back. They must be doing pretty descent on the SJU flight considering it has been steadily increasing in frequency. Thanks for all your hard work with these threads. Definitely look forward to each update.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-AVL JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-DSM JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-OKC JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAD-PDX JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAD-SMF JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAD-TUL JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
*UA IAH-GJT JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
*UA LAX-ABQ JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
**UA LAX-BWI JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
*UA ORD-HSV JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
*UA ORD-YQB JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
*UA SFO-PIT JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0

Quite a few 1x/daily and long thin UA routes getting axed and/or cut for the winter.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:37 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
UA LAX-BOS JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.7

well there's a way not to service a market in Jan. While I know plenty of cuts due to winter. Really 1 weekly in Jan? is that true? doesn't make a lot of sense I guess.
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:38 pm

So will we eventually see UA at LAX serving hubs only and a few international routes?
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Quite a few 1x/daily and long thin UA routes getting axed and/or cut for the winter.

I'm guessing AVL at a minimum is permanent. Some of these were cut before and then reversed.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
I'm guessing AVL at a minimum is permanent. Some of these were cut before and then reversed.

If so, it sucks. That route has been around since 2001. It's outlived a number of other long thin routes from EWR.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:17 pm

Yes, RDM will be completely closed May 2-22, 2016 for runway work.

http://www.flyrdm.com/?Runway-Project-2016
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:36 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 6):
well there's a way not to service a market in Jan. While I know plenty of cuts due to winter. Really 1 weekly in Jan? is that true? doesn't make a lot of sense I guess.

There's a lot of LAX cuts this winter -- peak-day departures appear to be around 140, the lowest since at least the 1990s, and that's not considering CO. It'll be interesting to see how much is restored come spring (what's loaded now isn't reliable).
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:41 pm

Whatever happened to B6's extra daily BOS-CLE? I thought that got announced some time ago.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 7):
So will we eventually see UA at LAX serving hubs only and a few international routes?

That's the direction. UA said over the weekend that they were going to address chronic delays in their new schedule. Sounds like an excellent excuse to drop a lot of chaff.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 9):

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
I'm guessing AVL at a minimum is permanent. Some of these were cut before and then reversed.

If so, it sucks.

It was deleted for the entire period I retrieve which makes it appear permanent, but it's possible it resumes for just deep Summer I guess. That seems unlikely to me.

Quoting HiflyerAS (Reply 10):

Yes, RDM will be completely closed May 2-22, 2016 for runway work.

Wow, I'm prescient today.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 12):
Whatever happened to B6's extra daily BOS-CLE? I thought that got announced some time ago.

Is it on their website?
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:34 pm

"There's a lot of LAX cuts this winter -- peak-day departures appear to be around 140, the lowest since at least the 1990s, and that's not considering CO. It'll be interesting to see how much is restored come spring (what's loaded now isn't reliable)"

Maybe AS can grow out of LAX  
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-DSM JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-OKC JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
*UA IAD-TUL JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 1.0>0

These are actually a blessing. Very long ERJ routes.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 6):
well there's a way not to service a market in Jan. While I know plenty of cuts due to winter. Really 1 weekly in Jan? is that true? doesn't make a lot of sense I guess

Go back and read the thread from when this same type of cut was published for this past winter. Similar comments were made. Personally, I agree with you and still think it's pretty remarkable that United doesn't find it economically feasible to operate even a single daily flight in such a large, high-profile, and historically-United-friendly market as LAX-BOS. I get it that it's the absolute doldrums of winter when much business demand and virtually all leisure demand falls off a cliff, but still, I find it incredible that AA, Delta, JetBlue and Virgin - three of which have only been in this market for a decade or less, compared to United which has been in it for multiple decades - can manage one if not multiple daily flights during this same period. Really goes to show how radically things have changed at LAX since the late 1990s/early 2000s.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 7):
So will we eventually see UA at LAX serving hubs only and a few international routes?
Quoting Compensateme (Reply 11):
There's a lot of LAX cuts this winter -- peak-day departures appear to be around 140, the lowest since at least the 1990s, and that's not considering CO. It'll be interesting to see how much is restored come spring (what's loaded now isn't reliable).

  

These changes have been telegraphed - and the proverbial "writing on the wall" - for any who have been paying attention in these weekly threads over the last 12-24 months. It is clearly obvious that while LAX is still a large and very important market for United - and I suspect always will be - United is steadily extricating itself from LAX as a "hub," and instead optimizing and tailoring its operation there to be as relevant as possible for the massive O&D demand to and from SoCal. Personally, I stand by my prediction from months ago that within a few years we may well see United settle at around 100-120 peak day departures from LAX to its hubs plus select important destinations - both domestic (like BOS, MCO, SAN, LAS, Hawaii, etc.) and international (LHR, TYO, SYD, MEL, etc.) - with substantial local O&D and connecting demand.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:48 pm

Love these threads, enilria, so thank-you for your hard work!

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
AS must be happy.
**UA LAX-BWI JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

Yeah, I am not surprised to see this at all as they cut LAX-BWI January and February last year as well although I think they had a daily flight in March. In the summer UA are two daily so I'm really curious to see if they just end up dropping the route with NK and AS launching daily flights in September. UA just doesn't seem interested in competing on long/thin routes from LAX.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-YVR DEC 2>1.5

I wonder if this flight makes any money for AA. There is a lot of competition on this route and even first class fares dip below $200 one way.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-EDI MAY 0>0.2

Does this route go up to daily after May? Nice to see DL back in EDI.

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
UA SFO-BWI JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6

This is incredibly disappointing. 1 weekly in January!? They've always been daily on this route and WN just has the one daily flight to OAK. If it doesn't make money than by all means it should go but it's sad to see UA floundering at BWI at the moment and they are dangerously close to falling to single digit departures in January including express flights. AA and DL are both above 20 daily departures even in January.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA BOS-BUF DEC 1.9>1.2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA BOS-PIT DEC 3>1.7

Is the writing on the wall for further cuts? I checked the schedules on AA.com and the flight timings are the same for the month of Sep, Oct until Dec for some of the peak days.
Sorry how do I check the cuts from the airline site?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA PIT-STL DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA BDL-PIT NOV 3>0.4 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0

Wow - last of the few direct US Airways express flights from PIT has been closed.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
TJ BOS-HPN OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3

Does anyone know which airline code this is?
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:36 pm

Quoting Thomaas (Reply 15):
These are actually a blessing. Very long ERJ routes

Agree 100%. I also think some of the long, thin domestic mainline trips (IAD-SMF, SFO-PIT etc) that could only muster 1 flight per day are better off being served through a hub. Having 4-5 connecting flight options throughout the day has got to be more convenient for a majority of travelers that need a more flexible schedule.

By taking the ERJs out of the system, it's possible to run the same, or even more seats through the system by using slightly larger planes and still use up less airspace/gates at the congested hubs. This makes the hubs more efficient, less delay-prone and allows the carriers to improve their schedule reliability. Win-win.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
*UA ORD-HSV JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
Quite a few 1x/daily and long thin UA routes getting axed and/or cut for the winter.

UA has been whittling away at service to HSV for quite a while now. I'll be surprised if this route returns.

I think we are one daily to DEN, less than daily to IAD, and 2-3 daily to IAH.

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Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:57 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 19):
Agree 100%. I also think some of the long, thin domestic mainline trips (IAD-SMF, SFO-PIT etc) that could only muster 1 flight per day are better off being served through a hub. Having 4-5 connecting flight options throughout the day has got to be more convenient for a majority of travelers that need a more flexible schedule.

That's a tough sell, fewer options is never more convenient for the customer. Why would folks not want IAD-SMF in addition to the connecting flights instead of just the connecting flights? Why would folks in Iowa and Oklahoma not want the option to take a non-stop to EWR, even on a smaller plane, rather than being forced to connect?

These routes may not have performed well and dropping them may be perfectly sensible, but let's not pretend it's better for the customer not having the service.

[Edited 2015-08-30 11:57:44]
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:11 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 18):
Does anyone know which airline code this is?

Tradewind who seem to be an exec aircraft rental firm based at HPN.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:29 pm

Thank you. - just checked their website. I'm assuming these are chartered flights -

http://www.flytradewind.com/tradewind-shuttle/northeast/boston/#
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:47 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 21):
Why would folks in Iowa and Oklahoma not want the option to take a non-stop to EWR, even on a smaller plane, rather than being forced to connect?

I should have explained myself better. I didn't mean to simply take a flight away and not replace it with anything. I would rather see the hubs utilized better by the smaller markets as opposed to sporadic hub service and a single, token, long, thin non-stop overflying a hub.

I'm from one of those "Smallville" markets and know all to well about limited flight options. Assume a certain number of passengers need to fly from airport ABC and it takes 6 planes to accommodate them. If the choice was to offer 4 flights to ORD, 1 to EWR and 1 to IAD or 6 flights, all to ORD, with multiple connection options to EWR and IAD throughout the day, I would prefer the 6 options...maybe that's just me.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:03 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 24):
If the choice was to offer 4 flights to ORD, 1 to EWR and 1 to IAD or 6 flights, all to ORD, with multiple connection options to EWR and IAD throughout the day, I would prefer the 6 options...maybe that's just me.

This example would make more sense to me if the option was 4x ORD, 1x EWR, 1x IAD vs. 8x ORD; in that scenario, there are more departures and potentially more schedule options. Otherwise, I'd still rather have five connecting opportunities to EWR and IAD with one non-stop available rather than just six connecting opportunities.

Regardless, at least in this update, the reductions are not shown to coincide with a schedule increase to the other hubs for those markets. So OKC (et al) didn't gain an ORD flight at the expense of EWR, it just lost an ORD flight. There may or may not be upgauging to negate the capacity reduction, but it certainly doesn't give customers more options.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:07 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CM JFK-PTY DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4

New flight:

CM 832....PTY 16:55.......22:00 JFK....Daily
CM 833....JFK 05:20.......10:35 PTY....Daily
Effective: December 16th.

As a result, CM PTY-JFK goes from 21x to 28 weekly with 738 aircraft on board.

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Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:11 pm

I'm intrigued at the up to 4 daily JAX-FLL on JetBlue. It must be going great for them....and I'm curious if this success means we'll see more intraFlorida very soon.
 
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Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:09 pm

Quoting Thomaas (Reply 15):
These are actually a blessing.

It's a matter of perspective.

Quoting fiddlerkrt (Reply 17):
Love these threads, enilria, so thank-you for your hard work!

 
Quoting fiddlerkrt (Reply 17):
In the summer UA are two daily so I'm really curious to see if they just end up dropping the route with NK and AS launching daily flights in September.

Could happen, but not yet. I wonder if they will come back with 1 in the Summer.

Quoting fiddlerkrt (Reply 17):
UA just doesn't seem interested in competing on long/thin routes from LAX.

or short-thin routes...or anything really.

Quoting fiddlerkrt (Reply 17):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-EDI MAY 0>0.2

Does this route go up to daily after May? Nice to see DL back in EDI.

I believe it does. I should have astericked it.

Quoting fiddlerkrt (Reply 17):
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
UA SFO-BWI JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6

This is incredibly disappointing. 1 weekly in January!?

I think it actually stops completely from Jan3rd or so until around President's Day.

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 18):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
TJ BOS-HPN OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3

Does anyone know which airline code this is?
Quoting DL" class="quote" target="_blank">EIDL (Reply 22):

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 18):
Does anyone know which airline code this is?

Tradewind who seem to be an exec aircraft rental firm based at HPN.
Quoting diverdave (Reply 20):
UA has been whittling away at service to HSV for quite a while now. I'll be surprised if this route returns.

That's kind of cool. I wonder what the story is.

Quoting FLIHGH (Reply 27):
I'm intrigued at the up to 4 daily JAX-FLL on JetBlue.

I think the 4th is some sort of glitch tied to Leap Year. I've seen it pop up in some other airlines filings. It doesn't appear to be a problem in my code as I allow for the 29th day AND it only appears on some routes. So, no idea, but I'm pretty sure it is just going to 3x.
 
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:05 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
XL MIA-GRU OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

What the wreck is this? LanTam using its Ecuador code?
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:10 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):

An extra frequency is still a good sign for a route that many were questioning when it first came out! You appear to be right, though. I'm only seeing 3x in Feb.
 
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:16 am

The IAH-GTJ flight returns in early March.
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:19 am

EWR to DSM and OKC have been discontinued before (I am more certain that DSM was gone before, also kind of certain OKC was discontinued also). I did not know that they were even brought back.

I saw UA board the flight to AUS from CUN a few weeks ago. Is this flight being terminated or is it a seasonal change.
 
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:25 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
I think the 4th is some sort of glitch tied to Leap Year. I've seen it pop up in some other airlines filings. It doesn't appear to be a problem in my code as I allow for the 29th day AND it only appears on some routes. So, no idea, but I'm pretty sure it is just going to 3x.

Regardless of the glitch, this route has changed quite a lot from 5 years ago, when WN dominated and B6 just had a few JFK flights at JAX.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 1):
These are worth keeping an eye on as they've disappeared/reappeared a time or two before. They are at-risk flying (AX I believe) and perhaps that leads to the occasional oddity.

They are AX. The fact that PIT-RDU--the third at risk AX route--did not show up in the report suggests to me that this is a filing error. The operation is small enough that it probably has to stay or go as a unit.
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:39 am

The TUL and OKC flights are not surprising to me. Both cities are extremely oil price dependent. With oil down in the toilets, the Oklahoma economy is rapidly collapsing. Incomes are essentially slashed in half. I'm sure this is already showing up wirh leisure travel. Don't think there is a lot of business opportunity between DC and NYC and these cities. Maybe a dozen seats a day. The rest is leisure. I occasionally route my employees on the OKC-EWR flight for connections to Europe. Most of the time it's through IAD or ORD.

Road back on an A319 IAH-OKC this afternoon. I make this trip frequently on a Sunday. I've never see the plane so empty. I don't think there were 75 pax on board. I'm sure it's coincidental but I'm fully prepared to see massive cuts in both markets. I feel for Alaska. Afraid they're too late to the game for their Sea flight.

United seems to be building the DEN hub up some more. Maybe it has to do with the new airport contract? I've seen quite a few adds there and the OKC-DEN market is almost all mainline these days with fairly full flights. While Den is a great connecting city for anywhere west of here, it doesn't work too well heading east. Houston is great for anything south including LatAm but it's also pretty crappy for anything north and east. Then again most of the market north and east is leisure so frequency isn't important. That's said, on some days there is only one flight a day to ORD and IAD. Slim pickings! Hope both are at least E75s or at least E70's instead of ERJs or CR7's as they are mostly today.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:08 am

Quoting FLIHGH (Reply 30):

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):

An extra frequency is still a good sign for a route that many were questioning when it first came out! You appear to be right, though. I'm only seeing 3x in Feb.

I wonder if airlines are using the same scheduling software and it has some sort of Leap Year glitch. It's also possible it's my program code, but I don't see how since my code says if 2016 then 29 days and it only appears sporadically which would seem to establish it isn't my code.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 33):
Regardless of the glitch, this route has changed quite a lot from 5 years ago, when WN dominated and B6 just had a few JFK flights at JAX.

Very true. Silver is out soon I bet.

Quoting OKCFlyer (Reply 34):

The TUL and OKC flights are not surprising to me. Both cities are extremely oil price dependent.

Good point from the area expert!
 
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:25 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 1):

Thanks as always for posting this stuff...  
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA BDL-PIT NOV 3>0.4 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA PIT-STL DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0

These are worth keeping an eye on as they've disappeared/reappeared a time or two before. They are at-risk flying (AX I believe) and perhaps that leads to the occasional oddity.

Agree.... However internal memos show these are being dropped. By January there will be no routes from PIT to non AA hubs, minus BOS for now.

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Quoting iyerhari (Reply 18):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA PIT-STL DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA BDL-PIT NOV 3>0.4 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0

Wow - last of the few direct US Airways express flights from PIT has been closed.
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:50 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):

I don't think so? It was in the news a couple months ago or more and I haven't heard anything since!
 
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:32 am

Quoting B757capt (Reply 36):
Agree.... However internal memos show these are being dropped. By January there will be no routes from PIT to non AA hubs, minus BOS for now.

I wonder why now? Pilots I guess.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 37):

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):

I don't think so? It was in the news a couple months ago or more and I haven't heard anything since!

If you are right that would be odd.
 
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:47 am

Is AA, or rather TranState, dropping PIT-RDU?
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:27 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 39):
Is AA, or rather TranState, dropping PIT-RDU?

I just checked aa.com for Monday, January 25. PIT-STL/BDL are gone; PIT-RDU remains. But, AX has crewed this operation from STL for as long as it has existed IIRC, so I don't see how AX can operate PIT-RDU without PIT-STL. I see no other AX flights into PIT or RDU on that date.

FWIW, I think PIT-STL has potential for 1-2x WN service (similar to PIT-BNA), and PIT-RDU can probably work with 2-3x 50-seaters operated for AA or DL. I don't see anyone else entering PIT-BDL.
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:19 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 40):
I just checked aa.com for Monday, January 25. PIT-STL/BDL are gone; PIT-RDU remains. But, AX has crewed this operation from STL for as long as it has existed IIRC, so I don't see how AX can operate PIT-RDU without PIT-STL. I see no other AX flights into PIT or RDU on that date.

We've seen something similar once or twice before -- it's definitely possible these three at-risk PIT routes could be ending, but I think it's just as likely they will show up again within a week or two, omitted accidentally (and temporarily) due to their particular nature.

If indeed PIT-STL and PIT-BDL end the best shot for PIT-BDL is OneJet. WN is the obvious choice for St Louis -- one wonders if the presence of PIT-BNA will complicate that as both BNA and STL could serve similar westbound flows out of PIT. Maybe PIT-STL wouldn't be an originator westbound the way PIT-BNA is.
 
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 41):
We've seen something similar once or twice before -- it's definitely possible these three at-risk PIT routes could be ending, but I think it's just as likely they will show up again within a week or two, omitted accidentally
(and temporarily) due to their particular nature.

I don't know that they've been pulled from aa.com before, though.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 41):
WN is the obvious choice for St Louis -- one wonders if the presence of PIT-BNA will complicate that as both BNA and STL could serve similar westbound flows out of PIT. Maybe PIT-STL wouldn't be an originator westbound the way PIT-BNA is.

I think both could work with complementary schedules (one morning and the other evening); that maximizes the connecting utility of both flights.
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:00 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 41):
We've seen something similar once or twice before -- it's definitely possible these three at-risk PIT routes could be ending, but I think it's just as likely they will show up again within a week or two, omitted accidentally (and temporarily) due to their particular nature.
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 41):
I just checked aa.com for Monday, January 25. PIT-STL/BDL are gone
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 42):
I don't know that they've been pulled from aa.com before, though.

I agree with all of that. If it is off of aa.com it is a colossal error.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-AVL JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

Looks like it comes back June 9th.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-DSM JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0

Back on March 3rd

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-OKC JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

Back on May 5th.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:57 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 44):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-AVL JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

Looks like it comes back June 9th.

It's curious that UA is suspending it for most of the ski season, considering that there's some amount of ski traffic to AVL (or maybe just UA's way of dragging people out to the Colorado Rockies   )
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:14 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 40):
I see no other AX flights into PIT or RDU on that date.

Actually just did my own research for PIT update thread.

A couple LGA-RDU flights are operated by Trans States on your date
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:16 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-LHR MAY 0>1.0

Great to see this bookable so next summer delta will offer service to AMS, CDG, and LHR from SLC........if all stay, thats pretty awesome to see
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 45):
It's curious that UA is suspending it for most of the ski season, considering that there's some amount of ski traffic to AVL

I'm not sure why anyone in the NYC region would go to AVL for skiing. The skiing in Vermont is far better and far closer for NYC residents. And if you want really good skiing, you'll go out West as you mentioned.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/5/2015: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 44):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-AVL JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

Looks like it comes back June 9th.
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 45):
It's curious that UA is suspending it for most of the ski season, considering that there's some amount of ski traffic to AVL (or maybe just UA's way of dragging people out to the Colorado Rockies   )

Maybe it's me, but since I don't really see this as a leisure route, operating it for 75 days in the Summer only seems like nothing. Technically it's still continuing, but effectively it's gone if you are a regular traveler in this market.

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