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ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:59 am

What is the history and future of ORD to Hawaii? UA has done ORD-HNL for quite some time. Will we ever see AA fly to HNL or OGG?
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:47 am

AA used to fly nonstop to Honolulu from ORD. They still fly from LAX and DFW to HNL nonstop.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:51 am

AA has flown HNL daily for a very long time before going seasonal winter/summer then nothing but at the same time the flight pulled from ORD it went to DFW for a extra flight to Hawaii in its place. AA at DFW flew 3x some days DFW-HNL and 2x DFW-OGG while completely neglecting ORD and letting UA take them. Right after AA bought TWA they did take the STL-OGG and move it ORD-OGG for a very short time. UA has been pretty solid on their ORD-HNL and ORD-OGG flights I think OGG was daily for the summer and now just 3 or 4x a week. I do hope AA will shift either the 3rd daily DFW HNL or the 2nd daily DFW OGG and bring it to ORD. Flight times are very close both use 1 aircraft but until then I will use UA
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:50 am

My greatest memories of ORD-HNL are that it was a flagship DC-10 staple for UA and AA, and for the better part of 25 years. (Mid '70s - 1999/2000).

Even in the late '90s, you were guaranteed a -30 from either carrier. (In earlier years, UA would run 747 classics 2x weekly and such, but that ended by the early '90s).

At 9+ hours flight time westbound, ORD-HNL was a respectable leg for the DC-10. As a young Chicagoan and enthusiast, I always thought it was cool to have the two options.

[Edited 2015-08-31 20:04:33]
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:00 am

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
UA has done ORD-HNL for quite some time.

Just over 46 years, August 1, 1969.
http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/haw...mmercial-aviation/united-air-lines

Excerpt:

On August 1, 1969 United launched nonstop Chicago-Honolulu service with a DC8-62 aircraft, and on October 1, 1969 inaugurated its nonstop 4,979-mile New York-Honolulu service--the longest U.S. domestic route at the time.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:27 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
On August 1, 1969 United launched nonstop Chicago-Honolulu service with a DC8-62 aircraft, and on October 1, 1969 inaugurated its nonstop 4,979-mile New York-Honolulu service--the longest U.S. domestic route at the time.

I can only imagine the type of inflight service passengers must have received on that DC-8 compared to what we have now.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:32 am

What is the likelihood of seeing AA resume this service, or even HA picking up ORD?
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:14 am

Quoting dcaord (Reply 6):

Not very likely, imho. For AA it would tie up a 763 or 772 that can be used elsewhere. UA has the perfect plane in the 772A and is long established.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:23 am

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 5):
I can only imagine the type of inflight service passengers must have received on that DC-8 compared to what we have now.

UA made a pretty big deal out of the ORD-Hawaii trips for passengers. Complete with a special gate at ORD for "Royal Hawaiian" departures decorated with a Hawaiian theme. They used dual jetways on the DC8 at this gate. I imagine the catering onboard was something special too.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:43 am

Is UA planning to red the interiors on the 777s that fly to HNL, adding more entertainment options in Y and flat beds in F at least for the ones going all the way to GUM and ORD?
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:42 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 9):

They did start offering Samsung tablets for free in F and for a price in Y that work with the streaming system. I really hope they reconsider and put AVOD in them, especially since the 3-class 777 A models that will be converted to domestic birds already have nose to tail PTVs.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:41 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
UA has done ORD-HNL for quite some time.

Just over 46 years, August 1, 1969.

Not really since there was a 3+ year break with no non-stop service. UA suspended ORD-HNL on Feb 14, 2001, when they retired the DC-10-30. They restarted the route on June 3, 2004.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:16 pm

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 2):
Right after AA bought TWA they did take the STL-OGG and move it ORD-OGG for a very short time.

The irony is that when AA was first awarded rights to Hawaii
back in the late 60's by the CAB, they had a route restriction
that the services ALL had to originate east of LAX, and they
were awarded STL-HNL which was a 1-stop flight over LAX
but they couldn't sell LAX-HNL; then of course inherited STL-HNL
nonstop from TW with the merger. If you look in their old time-
tables you'll see STL-HNL shown as "1-stop" but under LAX-HNL
there is nothing. Oh those joyous days of regulation by the CAB!

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 3):
Even in the late '90s, you were guaranteed a -30 from either carrier. (In earlier years, UA would run 747 classics 2x weekly and such, but that ended by the early '90s).

Happily the last time I ever flew ORD-HNL nonstop on UA back
in June of 96 UA was still running a daily 747 classic...in fact, in
both directions they wound up being 2 of the -123's they had bought
which were of course, ironically, ex-AA birds!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
Just over 46 years, August 1, 1969.
http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/haw...mmercial-aviation/united-air-lines

Excerpt:

On August 1, 1969 United launched nonstop Chicago-Honolulu service with a DC8-62 aircraft, and on October 1, 1969 inaugurated its nonstop 4,979-mile New York-Honolulu service--the longest U.S. domestic route at the time.

Yes, and what many either don't know or have forgotten is that CO
was also awarded nonstop authority by the CAB for ORD-Hawaii. My
dad worked for them at the time, in CHI, so it was a huge sales campaign,
including drumming up interline business from the likes of NC and AL
in particular. Besides ORD-HNL nonstop, they also operated a ITO-ORD
nonstop once a week which was part of a round-robin service ORD-HNL-
ITO-ORD, as all those new Hawaii awards (which also included BN from
DAL) had a requirement imposed by the state of Hawaii to include service
at ITO. And it should be noted that UA ordered the small DC-8-62 sub-fleet
specifically for these (at the time) ultra-long-haul routes, which besides
ORD-HNL and JFK-HNL also included for a short time DTW-HNL and
BWI-HNL (although it was still BAL - Friendship Int'l. at the time). CO already
had their fleet of 707-324C's which they ordered for their trans-Pacific MAC
contracts, which they ordered more of to support the new Hawaii routes.

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 5):

I can only imagine the type of inflight service passengers must have received on that DC-8 compared to what we have now.

Besides movies (and I'm guessing that UA might have shown TWO movies
on the JFK- and BAL-HNL nonstop!) pax did something novel by today's
standards...they read books! LOL

Quoting Rugger (Reply 8):
UA made a pretty big deal out of the ORD-Hawaii trips for passengers. Complete with a special gate at ORD for "Royal Hawaiian" departures decorated with a Hawaiian theme. They used dual jetways on the DC8 at this gate. I imagine the catering onboard was something special too.

Oh yes, all Hawaii flights were branded "Royal Hawaiian Service" as the
Hawaii flights were their big claim to fame back then! I can't speak to the
special gate and dual jetways, because we always flew on CO since my
dad worked for them (except for one time when we did take the UA nonstop
after it was upgauged to a 747), but I'll take your word for it. Oddly we never
flew on the CO nonstop when they existed, we always went over LAX.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:32 pm

TZ also operated ORD-HNL on behalf of Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays winter 2001 (likely taking advantage of UA suspending the route).

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 5):

I can only imagine the type of inflight service passengers must have received on that DC-8 compared to what we have now.

You can buy a seat in First with better service & amenities than those passengers had in coach -- for less money than what a coach ticket cost then.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:41 pm

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 2):
do hope AA will shift either the 3rd daily DFW HNL or the 2nd daily DFW OGG and bring it to ORD.

Current schedule for AA is 2x daily DFW-HNL and 1x daily DFW-OGG.

AFAIK, AA has never operated 3x daily DFW-HNL, but I do know they've seasonally operated 2x daily DFW-OGG.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 14):
Current schedule for AA is 2x daily DFW-HNL and 1x daily DFW-OGG.

AFAIK, AA has never operated 3x daily DFW-HNL, but I do know they've seasonally operated 2x daily DFW-OGG.

I believe I saw that this summer (already stopped) AA did operate
a 3rd nonstop DFW-HNL but not daily. Correct on OGG...they are
still operating the 2nd flight now, on Sat. only.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:52 pm

That's what I mean they tie up a plane for the 3rd Hnl and 2nd Ogg flight from dfw when they could use for ord-Hnl I'm sure on those flights from dfw they are not all filled 100% with o/d
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:14 pm

Don't forget United's ORD-ITO nonstop, which operated for several years in the 1968-1973 period. I'm not certain of the exact dates, but it was flown with a DC8 and later a 747 on occasion.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:14 pm

I remember during the 70s and 80s UA ran a 747 classic ORD-HNL and DC10 ORD-ITO and flew on both several times. For a pre-teen, those were looong flights. I hated it when they sprayed the cabin prior to landing for insects/vermin.

The F/As had special uniforms. Meals were great, or so I'm told. My parents loved the alaskan king crab they served on at least one flight because they got to eat mine, too.

Anyone remember the red footies they handed out so you could walk around the cabin without your shoes on?
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:35 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 12):
And it should be noted that UA ordered the small DC-8-62 sub-fleet
specifically for these (at the time) ultra-long-haul routes, which besides
ORD-HNL and JFK-HNL also included for a short time DTW-HNL and
BWI-HNL (although it was still BAL - Friendship Int'l. at the time).

Are you sure that UA flew DTW-HNL? I'm well aware of BWI, but never heard of them doing DTW-HNL.

I always thought AA did STL-HNL non-stop on a 707. It was always a one stop through LAX?
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:35 pm

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 17):
Don't forget United's ORD-ITO nonstop, which operated for several years in the 1968-1973 period. I'm not certain of the exact dates, but it was flown with a DC8 and later a 747 on occasion.

I didn't know UA did that...but I bet it was a circuit like CO did...
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:27 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
I remember during the 70s and 80s UA ran a 747 classic ORD-HNL and DC10 ORD-ITO and flew on both several times. For a pre-teen, those were looong flights. I hated it when the
Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 18):
I remember during the 70s and 80s UA ran a 747 classic ORD-HNL

Yep - was UA flight #1
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Even the time I flew in Y was cool, my travel agent (remember those?) booked me into what would have been C if it was a three class flight - the plane was configured as three class but only sold as F and Y. Of course C wasn't what it is now back then, it was more like Y+ but still better than the sardine can in back.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:30 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 21):
Yep - was UA flight #1

ORD-HNL was UA1 until the merger when the 1-199 range became a sCO flight range.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:40 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 14):
AFAIK, AA has never operated 3x daily DFW-HNL, but I do know they've seasonally operated 2x daily DFW-OGG.

AA has, indeed, operated DFW-HNL at three flights per day at multiple times in the past. Most recently, in the last year, AA has added a third DFW-HNL flight during peak travel weeks. Additionally, AA also operated more than double-daily on DFW-HNL back in the early 1990s when AA flew to SYD/AKL with DC10s via HNL - in fact, those flights left HNL way late with a ~noon DFW arrival.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:41 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 22):
ORD-HNL was UA1 until the merger

UA1 and UA2 were "Round the World" flight numbers for a few years beginning in 1995 if I recall correctly.

LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-EWR-LAX

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-.../travel/tr-32025_1_united-airlines
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:08 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 12):
CO was also awarded nonstop authority by the CAB for ORD-Hawaii.

The OAG said it would be a 720B-- but dunno if it ever actually operated.
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
Are you sure that UA flew DTW-HNL?

Think it started 1970-- I'll check.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:35 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 24):

UA1 and UA2 were "Round the World" flight numbers for a few years beginning in 1995 if I recall correctly.

You're correct; UA 1 and UA 2 were the "Round the World" flights, but that service was discontinued and the UA 1/ UA 2 flight number was used for ORD-HNL-ORD after the DC10 was retired. I worked that flight to HNL a bunch of times. I think the HNL flight number on the DC10 was UA 62 (not sure; 60 something).
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 24):
UA1 and UA2 were "Round the World" flight numbers for a few years beginning in 1995 if I recall correctly.

LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-EWR-LAX

In the later 1990s (1999, I believe) when United restarted the "Round the World" service and DEL flights with 744s the routing was via IAD instead of EWR.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:47 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
In the later 1990s (1999, I believe) when United restarted the "Round the World" service and DEL flights with 744s the routing was via IAD instead of EWR.

The LHR-EWR/IAD-LAX leg was also on a 767 as well. The -400 only did the LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR portion.

I remember the Chicago people being a bit 'slighted' that the ultimate Flagship flight didn't touch ORD....the largest hub at the time and the headquarters of United.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:48 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
UA has done ORD-HNL for quite some time.

Just over 46 years, August 1, 1969.
http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/haw...mmercial-aviation/united-air-lines

Excerpt:

On August 1, 1969 United launched nonstop Chicago-Honolulu service with a DC8-62 aircraft, and on October 1, 1969 inaugurated its nonstop 4,979-mile New York-Honolulu service--the longest U.S. domestic route at the time.

There was a 3 year period where United did not fly ORD-HNL. After the DC10 was retired in 2001, United had no airplanes in the domestic fleet that had a crew rest adequate for ORD-HNL according to their pilot contract for flights over 8 hours. The DC10 could fly the route because it was a 3 man crew so no rest area was needed. It wasn't until 2004 that a deal was worked out with the pilots to allow the 2 class 777s to resume ORD-HNL.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:55 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
Are you sure that UA flew DTW-HNL? I'm well aware of BWI, but never heard of them doing DTW-HNL.

I don't believe UA has ever operated DTW/HNL nonstop, but for years they operated same-plane service DTW-HNL via ORD with the DC-10.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:59 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 28):
The -400 only did the LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR portion.

Wasn't a thru plane in the 1990s-- when RTW resumed in 2001 the timetable showed 744 all the way, LAX to LAX.

[Edited 2015-09-01 11:01:48]

[Edited 2015-09-01 11:02:38]
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:59 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 5):
I can only imagine the type of inflight service passengers must have received on that DC-8 compared to what we have now.

It was zoo much better. Even in the 80's vs now.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:33 pm

The 26 Apr 1970 UA timetable says EWR-DTW-HNL was to start 1 June (along with BAL-HNL). Later it was PHL-DTW-HNL and back; it's in the 2/71 OAG but not in the 11 June 71 timetable.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:05 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
I always thought AA did STL-HNL non-stop on a 707. It was always a one stop through LAX?

I've seen this flight in AA timetables as a one stop. It was also operated via SFO, with no local traffic SFO-HNL.

This was the only Pacific route not included in the AA / PA route swap in 1974.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:21 am

I remember the daily 747s on the route for many years.

We flew the second flight 1982 or 1983 and it was a DC8 (-71 IIRC).
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:43 am

Quoting timz (Reply 33):
The 26 Apr 1970 UA timetable says EWR-DTW-HNL was to start 1 June (along with BAL-HNL). Later it was PHL-DTW-HNL and back; it's in the 2/71 OAG but not in the 11 June 71 timetable.

Thank you for the confirmation, I was pretty certain about DTW-HNL,
although I don't think it lasted very long. Interesting about the PHL
origin, because the BAL-HNL originated at/terminated at PHL, so I
guess there was a change at some point.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 34):
I've seen this flight in AA timetables as a one stop. It was also operated via SFO, with no local traffic SFO-HNL.

Thank you for another confirmation; I did check departedflights.com so
I was certain about LAX...didn't know about SFO, I thought they only
had rights for LAX. However, by the 4/01/74 timetable, according to
departedflights.com, AA did operate STL-HNL nonstop, but all along
it was a Saturday-only operation (707-323). I didn't know this, and it
makes it all the more ironic.

Quoting timz (Reply 25):
The OAG said it would be a 720B-- but dunno if it ever actually operated.

No way it was ever a 720B, I can guarantee you that...the 720B only
had a range of around 3100-3600 miles. And the route didn't last long
either...by the 10/31/71 timetable, ORD-HNL was a 1-stop over LAX or
connection at LAX. Even with interline sales, there just wasn't enough
of a market for both UA & CO nonstops, and UA obviously had the upper
hand, especially since they were first.

While we're on the topic, it should be noted that the UA nonstop from
JFK was only Fri/Sat/Sun (BAL& DTW no longer operated by then).
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 9):
Is UA planning to red the interiors on the 777s that fly to HNL, adding more entertainment options in Y and flat beds in F at least for the ones going all the way to GUM and ORD?

No. At least for flat beds. The old sUA barcaloungers that they brought back from mothballs are the standard in F now, and are actually quite comfortable. There are also, apparently, plans to go 10 abreast in the back.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 22):
ORD-HNL was UA1 until the merger when the 1-199 range became a sCO flight range.

Only from the time where the RTW was retired and ORD-HNL eventually brought back.

Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
In the later 1990s (1999, I believe) when United restarted the "Round the World" service and DEL flights with 744s the routing was via IAD instead of EWR.

And it was a 747 all the way.

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 28):
I remember the Chicago people being a bit 'slighted' that the ultimate Flagship flight didn't touch ORD....the largest hub at the time and the headquarters of United.

Historically that flight, which was a version of the old Pan Am service, was an LAX start and end.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:22 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 36):
the BAL-HNL originated at/terminated at PHL

Might have been PHL-BAL-HNL three or four days a week and PHL-DTW-HNL the other days.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
it was a 747 all the way.

UA flights 1 and 2 were 744 all the way when they resumed in 2001. The 1996-98 RTW flights always had one or two plane changes.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 38):
Might have been PHL-BAL-HNL three or four days a week and PHL-DTW-HNL the other days.

hmmmm...true, good point. Might have been.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:43 pm

I see LUS 333's taking on Hawaii service from DFW and PHX or ORD in the future
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:03 pm

Quoting phillyramp270 (Reply 40):
I see LUS 333's taking on Hawaii service from DFW and PHX or ORD in the future

That would be stretching their range, unless there is a PIP for them. Remember that the US A333s are not the same animal as what DL has taken.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:06 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):
That would be stretching their range, unless there is a PIP for them. Remember that the US A333s are not the same animal as what DL has taken.

Hardly an issue. PHL-FCO is longer than ORD-HNL, and that one is already served by L-US 333s.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 42):
Hardly an issue. PHL-FCO is longer than ORD-HNL, and that one is already served by L-US 333s.

Thanks for pointing that out, though the ETOPS 180 v. 120 reserves issue may make a difference.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:14 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 42):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):
That would be stretching their range, unless there is a PIP for them. Remember that the US A333s are not the same animal as what DL has taken.

Hardly an issue. PHL-FCO is longer than ORD-HNL, and that one is already served by L-US 333s.

CLT-FCO is also A333 and it's longer than both PHL-FCO and ORD-HNL.

CLT-FCO 4,275 nm
PHL-FCO 3,798 nm
ORD-HNL 3,687 nm
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:27 am

For a while UA had three non-stop's ORD-HNL-ORD: Flights 1/3/7 were to HNL. ISTR that flights 1 and 3 were daily, but that flight 7 was 4x or 3x per week.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:34 pm

The problem with service to Hawaii, whether Honolulu, Hilo, or Maui, is that it is heavy on Y and not much traffic in the premium cabin, except for the elites who upgrade or cash in miles.

Now, things may change with Parker in charge. But I've had the feeling AA management is only willing to offer long-haul service out of ORD (Europe, Asia, etc.), if there are sufficient paying passengers in the premium cabin. AA dropped its service to India, because Y was full, but J and F were seeing mostly upgrades or cashing in F/F miles.

A 777 or 763 with J/Y+/Y can probably make more money elsewhere than ORD-HNL/OGG. But, Parker has said that prior AA management ignored ORD while focusing on the other hubs. So, who knows if service to HNL can return.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 43):
Thanks for pointing that out, though the ETOPS 180 v. 120 reserves issue may make a difference.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 44):
CLT-FCO is also A333 and it's longer than both PHL-FCO and ORD-HNL.

CLT-FCO 4,275 nm
PHL-FCO 3,798 nm
ORD-HNL 3,687 nm

I can't imagine fuel reserve diff alone would reduce the range by more than 600nm .... ? Worst case scenario they'll use 332 instead of 333.
 
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:57 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 46):
The problem with service to Hawaii, whether Honolulu, Hilo, or Maui, is that it is heavy on Y and not much traffic in the premium cabin, except for the elites who upgrade or cash in miles.

Now, things may change with Parker in charge. But I've had the feeling AA management is only willing to offer long-haul service out of ORD (Europe, Asia, etc.), if there are sufficient paying passengers in the premium cabin. AA dropped its service to India, because Y was full, but J and F were seeing mostly upgrades or cashing in F/F miles.

A 777 or 763 with J/Y+/Y can probably make more money elsewhere than ORD-HNL/OGG. But, Parker has said that prior AA management ignored ORD while focusing on the other hubs. So, who knows if service to HNL can return.

All true, but I am not expecting to see AA return to ORD-HNL now that
they have the extra lift over PHX due to the merger. They really don't
need it now, and then they don't have to pull another 763 off of what would
I'm sure be a more profitable market in terms of the front cabin.
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RE: ORD And Hawaii

Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:43 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 5):
I can only imagine the type of inflight service passengers must have received on that DC-8 compared to what we have now.
Quoting ER757 (Reply 21):
Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 18):I remember during the 70s and 80s UA ran a 747 classic ORD-HNL
Yep - was UA flight #1

Here is the Royal Hawaiian Service on flight 1 in the late 1970s on the 747. The link should start at the exact start of the service but the whole documentary is great when you have the time. It shows both First Class and Coach, tons of food was served.

https://youtu.be/v5_VZL5Obc4?t=38m46s

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