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Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:23 pm

RUMOR: Ryanair to open battle with EZY, HV, DY and VY at AMS from Winter 2015, to make AMS Europe's largest hub with all LCC's present.

Ryanair had until 31 August 2015 to confirm its slot application for 10x daily departures at AMS.

Today September 1st, 2015 the rumour is that Ryaniar has confirmed its schedule for this Winter season and plans to go public later this month with a fare battle against easyJet, Transavia, Norwegian, Vueling and KLM ofcourse initially on a select number of routes only.

These routes could be high frequency operations on:
- AMS-DUB
- AMS-STN

Any other route proposals, reactions, suggestions or further info from A.netters?


http://www.anna.aero/2015/07/15/ryan...rankfurt-likely-new-route-targets/
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:36 pm

Interesting development, this rumor has been going around for some time so let's see how this will be going. I wonder to what extend HV actually feels the competition of all these low cost carriers flying to/from AMS.


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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:09 pm

I had to LOL when user factsonly starts a thread with the word RUMOUR.  

Perhaps he needs a new username?
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:18 pm

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):
to make AMS Europe's largest hub with all LCC's present.

Wizz isn't present at AMS.
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:06 pm

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):
- AMS-DUB

I would be good to have a competitor on a route that has been operated by a single carrier (EI in cooperation with KL) for years.
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:14 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 2):

I had to LOL when user factsonly starts a thread with the word RUMOUR

And the word CONFIRMED  
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 5):
And the word CONFIRMED

Haha, exactly...

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Doesn't Wizz and Norwegian need to base there to get the full armada of no frills carriers?
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:49 pm

Didn't they have this when they took over Buzz!
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:08 pm

I'll believe it when I see them touch down!

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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:04 pm

I don't know what is surprising about this... Ryanair stated they planned to operate potentially in every major airport in Europe except LHR, FRA and (I think) CDG.

Airliners.net hates Ryanair but as they say, their are the world's favourite airline (and by far Europe's favourite) and they are not remotely as bad as people here like to portray.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:32 pm

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):
Today September 1st, 2015 the rumour is that Ryaniar has confirmed its schedule for this Winter season and plans to go public later this month with a fare battle against easyJet, Transavia, Norwegian, Vueling and KLM ofcourse initially on a select number of routes only.

The rumour itself is not new as it was already clear that if FR could get the 25-minute turnaround and access to H-pier it would come to AMS. However, these were the bottle necks and I haven't heard that this has been cleared (especially as HV wants to use H-pier as well).
 
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Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:48 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 10):
The rumour itself is not new as it was already clear that if FR could get the 25-minute turnaround and access to H-pier it would come to AMS. However, these were the bottle necks and I haven't heard that this has been cleared (especially as HV wants to use H-pier as well).

This is also what I remember so this news isn't really new. If HV wants to use the same pier too I don't know how much of a chance FR will have in using this pier. If HV gets to use the H pier, is this pier operating at full capacity or is there still much room for other airlines? I've seen this pier from a distance and it doesn't look that big or sm I mistaken?


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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:01 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 10):
The rumour itself is not new as it was already clear that if FR could get the 25-minute turnaround and access to H-pier it would come to AMS.

The 25-minute turnaround time seems to be less of a factor for the "new FR". There is no way they can achieve such times at several of the main airports they have moved into lately, but they don't seem to care as much as long as the revenues flow in.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:06 am

I wonder if FR will try and replace EI as KLs partner on DUB - AMS. With a direct competitor taking over EI, maybe KL will end that partnership and start a new one with FR. I am sure FR would change their processes to take that business from EI.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:25 pm

Is it confirmed that it is a rumor or is it only a rumored fact?
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:37 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
I don't know what is surprising about this..

Correct.

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):
Any other route proposals, reactions, suggestions or further info from A.netters?

LIS, BCN, FCO are top of my list.

Quoting RandWKOP (Reply 13):
I wonder if FR will try and replace EI as KLs partner on DUB - AMS

...???$%$!!!... No way this will happen. You must be kidding, right?

Regards.

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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:41 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 12):

The 25-minute turnaround time seems to be less of a factor for the "new FR". There is no way they can achieve such times at several of the main airports they have moved into lately, but they don't seem to care as much as long as the revenues flow in.

  
WN used to be the same way and look at all the major airports that they serve now. If they can make money they will go there. They already serve a good number of "main" airports and some pretty large airports: BRU, PRG, CPH, FCO, LIS, BCN, MAD just to name a few.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:42 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 15):
LIS, BCN, FCO are top of my list.

Indeed... I wouldn't be surprised they would basically replicate the BRU routes, maybe minus Treviso, Valencia and Verona but with London-STN. Ryanair at BRU:

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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:49 pm

KLM CEO has already lashed out at Schiphol for "squandering" and "bankrupting" the future of Schiphol's main world hub status by approving ten slots for Ryanair.
He also has been quoted saying that this addition adds no value to Schiphol and that it counters previous "agreements" made in the Netherlands about maintaining Schiphol's status as "main port".

He's basically saying there's no room at the Inn for Ryanair.
An airline like Ryanair is taking valuable resources away and compromises the integrity of the world wide network from Schiphol.

I'm sorry.
This has got to be one of the most arrogant fraternity speak from a protectionist airline CEO to date.
The language is just getting more and more desperate lately.
I wish all LCC's all the success in the world at AMS.

My source: Telegraaf.nl article in Dutch, Sep 2 2015

[Edited 2015-09-02 05:52:58]
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:47 pm

I wonder if Ryanair will attempt to break down the dominance of KLM on its UK-AMS network? After all, KLM enjoys a lot of passengers from most regional airports in the UK.

Admittedly, this works because so many transfer on to KLM's long haul and European routes. But it would be interesting if Ryanair has set its sights on KLM's dominance.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:07 pm

KLM has the advantage of frequency on smaller aircraft and on the benefit of 60% of pax transferring. This makes it hard for the LCC players to compete for corporate traffic, reducing the LCC yields.
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:09 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 15):
Quoting RandWKOP (Reply 13):I wonder if FR will try and replace EI as KLs partner on DUB - AMS
...???$%$!!!... No way this will happen. You must be kidding, right?

Well, I'm more curious how long that unique EI and KL partnership will last, now that EI will become embedded under IAG. Sooner or later, they will part.

Who knows, in a couple of years time we may have no less than three carriers fighting it out on AMS-DUB! A route that has been operated solely by EI for over 40 years or so.

Expect ticket prices to drop by at least 50 % . . .

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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:36 pm

FR and KL cooperating, that would be something.

One of the most prestigious airline in the world cooperating with the one that probably has the worst reputation... Nice!

Regards.

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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 22):
One of the most prestigious airline in the world cooperating with the one that probably has the worst reputation... Nice!

I don't think KLM has the worst reputation. In fact I think KLM has almost as good a reputation as Ryanair.

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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:36 pm

Quoting RandWKOP (Reply 13):
I wonder if FR will try and replace EI as KLs partner on DUB - AMS

They can try, but it won't happen. Even if they set up a dedicated unit with different standards than mainline, the Ryanair brand isn't something that KLM will want to be attached to anytime soon.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 17):
Ryanair at BRU

Ryanair at BRU isn't a good model because it isn't driven by commercial considerations. Ryanair "discovered" BRU when Vueling announced they were coming and their route network nearly perfectly duplicates Vueling's. Unlike AMS, no one saw Ryanair coming, not even airport officials. They found out through a fax from Ryanair less than an hour before the press release was issued.
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:49 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
Ryanair at BRU isn't a good model because it isn't driven by commercial considerations. Ryanair "discovered" BRU when Vueling announced they were coming and their route network nearly perfectly duplicates Vueling's. Unlike AMS, no one saw Ryanair coming, not even airport officials. They found out through a fax from Ryanair less than an hour before the press release was issued.

True, but many of those destinations are the same in other central European bases. For instance Koln which is one their newest bases in the region:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
Alicante, Barcelona, Bergamo, Berlin-Schönefeld , Copenhagen, Dublin, Gran Canaria, London-Stansted, Madrid, Málaga, Palma de Mallorca, Porto, Riga, Rome-Ciampino, Tenerife-South, Valencia, Warsaw-Modlin

Compared to those of BRU:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
Alicante, Barcelona, Berlin-Schönefeld, Dublin, Lisbon, Málaga, Palma de Mallorca, Porto, Rome-Fiumicino, Treviso, Valencia, Verona

Most of them are repeated (of course because the Eurostar STN does not make sense from BRU):

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
Alicante, Barcelona, Berlin-Schönefeld, Dublin, Málaga, Palma de Mallorca, Porto, Rome-Fiumicino, Valencia

So probably to those "basics" something more like MAD, WMI or LIS could make a first start.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:09 pm

Quoting flywrite (Reply 19):

I wonder if Ryanair will attempt to break down the dominance of KLM on its UK-AMS network? After all, KLM enjoys a lot of passengers from most regional airports in the UK.

Admittedly, this works because so many transfer on to KLM's long haul and European routes. But it would be interesting if Ryanair has set its sights on KLM's dominance.

I imagine that FR on UK - AMS routes would be a threat to EZY and perhaps also BE (on routes where they don't codeshare with KL). Those two carriers seem to currently carry a lot of point-to-point traffic between AMS and UK airports. See the current battle EZY vs FR on LTN-CPH.
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:17 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 21):
Well, I'm more curious how long that unique EI and KL partnership will last, now that EI will become embedded under IAG. Sooner or later, they will part.

Very hard to know. The EI / KL relationship goes back decades even when EI was part of OW. Of course it had different owners but the relationship has always worked well for KLM as they paid EI a small sector fee to feed the wider KLM hub at AMS. If anything IAG will want to cut the relationship if they feel they can get more revenue than the sector fee. So KLM might loose out.

On the flip side it might still work well for both carriers against FR. Whatever happens I hope it does bring down prices as last time I flew FR to EIN instead of EI to AMS as it was 65% cheaper. It would be great to see KLM metal back in DUB one day though.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:37 am

DUBLIN SUMMER 2016 SCHEDULE
03 Sep 2015
1 New Route To Amsterdam, 83 Routes In Total, 11.75m Customers

Ryanair, Ireland’s favourite airline, today (3 Sep) launched its Dublin summer 2016 schedule, with a new route to/from Amsterdam (commencing on 27th October), 83 routes in total and extra flights on 14 routes, which will deliver 11.75m customers p.a. (+1.1m) and support 8,800* jobs, as Ryanair grows by 15% at Dublin Airport.

Ryanair’s Dublin summer 2016 schedule will deliver:

26 based aircraft
1 new route to Amsterdam (4 x daily from winter 2015)
83 routes in total
Extra flights on 14 routes: Alicante, Barcelona, Berlin, Birmingham, Brussels, Budapest, East Midlands,
Liverpool, London Gatwick, Madrid, Malaga, Manchester, Venice Treviso, Warsaw

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ne...in-summer-2016-schedule/?market=ie




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[Edited 2015-09-03 02:47:59]
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:27 am

Only 1 route to AMS. That's a lot less than most of us expected.

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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:36 am

I doubt that it's just DUB, FR aren't in the habit of leaving planes lying around for 90 mins. I don't think that's the full schedule.
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:44 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 30):

STN-AMS too.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:12 am

FR website only shows DUB at this moment
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 18):
An airline like Ryanair is taking valuable resources away and compromises the integrity of the world wide network from Schiphol.

While protectionist, he is not wrong about the consequences. If FR syphons a few pax away from KL, some marginal routes stop being viable for KL and will be cut. With a so transfer-focused airline ( as every KL flight feeds into every other, helping the system as a whole be viable), you then initiate a downward spiral which ends up in less connectivity, and destinations being dropped. The result would be lower prices out of AMS, yes, but less destinations to choose from too.

FR's recent moves at FCO and BRU have not been aimed at connectivity, but at stopping their competitors (FR added zero new destinations and matched VY's schedule one for one). On a smaller scale, FR is doing that elsewhere too, such as CGN-BER head on against 4U, or displacing DY in HAM. So the concern is justified.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:28 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 30):
I doubt that it's just DUB, FR aren't in the habit of leaving planes lying around for 90 mins. I don't think that's the full schedule.

They couldn't get better slots. The plane is parked at SPL for 90 minutes.
It remains to be seen how well AMS with their long taxi-times and frequent remodeling fits the FR no-frills philosophy.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 18):
KLM CEO has already lashed out at Schiphol for "squandering" and "bankrupting" the future of Schiphol's main world hub status by approving ten slots for Ryanair.
Quoting r2rho (Reply 33):
While protectionist, he is not wrong about the consequences. If FR syphons a few pax away from KL, some marginal routes stop being viable for KL and will be cut.

The KLM CEO is referring to another effect, which the LCC battle at AMS is having on his airline.

There is a long standing political agreement that limits AMS to 500.000 movements per year by 2020. After that AMS will become a LHR equivalent, where valuable slots can only be traded at high prices among carriers.

In 2015 AMS will see an estimated 460.000 movements (incl. private flight), so the airport is only 2 to 3 years away from reaching capacity (+15.000 movements in 2015). The arrival of EZY, FR and other LCCs is taking valuable slots away from the 'hub' function that KLM is successfully promoting.

Expect AMS to see faster growth over the next few years as airlines run to grab the last available slots at the airport. The arrival of the LCCs will mean that passenger growth will also exceed the European average the coming years, as additional seat capacity is brought online before it may be required by the market and prices will therefore be very competitive initially. Also note that AMS plans to reduce landing fees yet again by a significant percentage in 2016 (-7% in 2015), as traffic growth continues to exceed predictions. AMS is getting more and more attractive to airlines, while slots are increasingly limited.

AMS is presently in a growth cycle, that will lift the airport to surpass FRA and possibly CDG in pax. numbers. This results from the current trend at AMS and will continue as long as other hub airports do not have a similar LCC presence. Only after AMS hits the 500.000 movement barrier will other airports catch up again.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:11 pm

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):

DY and VY don't really operate anything from AMS other then OSL,CPH and BCN so do you mean that DY and VY will expand their operations also in AMS.

Quoting B8887 (Reply 22):

FR and KL cooperating, that would be something.

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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:45 pm

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 36):
VY don't really operate anything from AMS

VY flies to 10 destinations from Amsterdam this summer (9 in Spain and FCO). That's quite a sizeable operation in my book.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:52 pm

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 36):
DY and VY don't really operate anything from AMS other then OSL,CPH and BCN so do you mean that DY and VY will expand their operations also in AMS.

The facts:

- DY operate 3x/ day from AMS to: OSL, CPH, ARN

- VY operate 12x/day from AMS to: BCN, IBZ, PMI, AGP, ALC, BIO, LCG, SVQ, VLC
- VY also operate from RTM and have just announced EIN and MST.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:56 pm

What a crazy protectionist notion that AMS airport is somehow meant for KLM that its CEO espouses.  

I always tought the Dutch were some of the most liberal market oriented business people in Europe, but obviously Mr. Elbers views are more along the lines of a state protected dinosaurs.

Ryanair has as much right to access AMS as KLM does. Competition is good and ultimately if KLM is so afraid to face Ryanair and others then it should get out of the kitchen.
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:58 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 38):
- VY operate 12x/day from AMS to: BCN, IBZ, PMI, AGP, ALC, BIO, LCG, SVQ, VLC

Incorrect, VY operates to SCQ, not to LCG.  

Btw, Ryanair is to open bases in SCQ (VY has started a year-round base there this summer which is now up to 18 routes; Ryanair currently flies 13 destinations) and IBZ (a VY seasonal base) in S16. I will of course open a thread when it becomes 'officially oficial'. 
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:07 pm

Just to let you know that Ryanair on its inaugural flights DUB-AMS on 27 October, is already more expensive than Aer Lingus.

- FR range Euro 73 to Euro 125 - cheapest seat on all four FR flights are more expensive than seats on five EI departures.
- EI range Euro 30 to Euro 156
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:14 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 35):
There is a long standing political agreement that limits AMS to 500.000 movements per year by 2020. After that AMS will become a LHR equivalent, where valuable slots can only be traded at high prices among carriers.

In 2015 AMS will see an estimated 460.000 movements (incl. private flight), so the airport is only 2 to 3 years away from reaching capacity (+15.000 movements in 2015). The

Yikes, I was not aware of this fact. Which makes me wonder even more, why no effort is made to promote alternatives to AMS. RTM would be great but has its hands tied behind its back.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:31 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 22):
One of the most prestigious airline in the world cooperating with the one that probably has the worst reputation...

IBTD...WizzAir was aptly named.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:35 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 42):
Yikes, I was not aware of this fact. Which makes me wonder even more, why no effort is made to promote alternatives to AMS. RTM would be great but has its hands tied behind its back.

The 500.000 movements are a purely political limit, not a physical limit, so politic has to make up its mind whether to accept more flights into AMS or not.

The airport together with the NL Government are promoting Lelystad Airport as an alternative to AMS, particularly for LCCs and O&D 'sun' destinations. The hope is that Lelystad Airport will absorb AMS's excess demand.

Hub airlines, SKYTEAM in particular, are not keen on Lelystad Airport at all, as it would break up their hub system, so SKYTEAM is promoting that all LCCs and O&D traffic move from AMS to Lelystad Airport.

Governments should take a lesson from Canada and its compulsory move of airlines to Montreal Mirabel.
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:43 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 44):

The airport together with the NL Government are promoting Lelystad Airport as an alternative to AMS, particularly for LCCs and O&D 'sun' destinations. The hope is that Lelystad Airport will absorb AMS's excess demand.

What about the old Soesterberg Air Base?
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:53 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 45):
What about the old Soesterberg Air Base?

Gliding activities and part of it has been transfered into a park, one of my colleagues goes there for his morning run, apparently you can run/walk/cycle over (part of) the runway etc...

The expansion of EHLE has been approved by the government and work on development plans have started, the idea is to open by 2018
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:39 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 39):
What a crazy protectionist notion that AMS airport is somehow meant for KLM that its CEO espouses.  

I always tought the Dutch were some of the most liberal market oriented business people in Europe, but obviously Mr. Elbers views are more along the lines of a state protected dinosaurs.

Ryanair has as much right to access AMS as KLM does. Competition is good and ultimately if KLM is so afraid to face Ryanair and others then it should get out of the kitchen.

So you are the boss and the one to say how AMS should be run?
 
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:38 pm

Quoting Amsterdam (Reply 47):
So you are the boss and the one to say how AMS should be run?

Well it should certainly not be run to protect KLM.

Everyone should have equal access to utilize it (that is EU law), whether this supports or hurts KLM point of view or not.
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RE: Rumor: Ryanair Confirms AMS As New Base W15

Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:06 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 44):
The 500.000 movements are a purely political limit, not a physical limit, so politic has to make up its mind whether to accept more flights into AMS or not.

The problem is not the total number of slots but the number of slots in the morning. There are virtually no slots available (physically) in the morning. Thus, as MOL mentioned, AMS is not a high priority for Ryanair (he'll try to get the slots when they become available). Moreover, FR won't base an aircraft at AMS (at least that's what MOL mentioned at a press conference at AMS today).

[Edited 2015-09-16 12:07:19]

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