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Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:00 pm

In Russian. I'd suggest translate.google.com

The problems of Russian air carriers are confirmed. According to the newspaper "Vedomosti", the national carrier Aeroflot will buy Transaero, the first private company in the country. In detail, Aeroflot will acquire 75% stake plus one share Transaero. Airbus pushed back a few days ago delivered the first of four A380 operated by Transaero, a consequence of the difficult situation in which the company is located.

http://www.boursier.com/actualites/n...molgue-russe-transaero-642587.html
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:04 pm

Will the two brands still operate separately or will UN get swallowed up by SU ?
Interesting to see what'll happen to the 4 748i and 4 380 ordered now.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:19 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
In Russian

Hmmm, sounds rather French to me but my french is horrible...   

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
According to the newspaper "Vedomosti", the national carrier Aeroflot will buy Transaero

If true and confirmed, this will be an interesting development and honestly I didn't see this coming...
 
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Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
According to the newspaper "Vedomosti", the national carrier Aeroflot will buy Transaero

That doesn't sound anti-competitive, not one bit   
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:31 pm

The Russians should have used "Chapter Odinnadtsat" instead!
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:36 pm

Hope the new name will be "Aeroaero".
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:36 pm

Another step back in time for Russia. 1 state owned Airline called Aeroflot is the future! *sigh*
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:42 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 2):
If true and confirmed, this will be an interesting development and honestly I didn't see this coming...

If this comes to pass, I suspect the UN 748I's will become whitetails per Putin's orders
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:47 pm

It's huge.If Aeroflot get the things right they could change all the competitive landscape not only for Russia but also for Asia-Europe.
The economy in Russia will recover, the world needs a powerful Russia. And when you live in Russia, as soon as you get some money you want to fly away like the scandinavians.

I don't see how they could not operate A380s for domestic routes like Moscow-Vladivostok but also international routes to Thailand and some other top destinations.
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:49 pm

Quoting cosmolev (Reply 5):
Hope the new name will be "Aeroaero".

Thank you, my entire keyboard is full of coffee now.....  

Alternatively it might be "Transflot"
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 2):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
In Russian

Hmmm, sounds rather French to me but my french is horrible...

Oh well. Just assumed it was russian. Went straight to google translate.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:51 pm

Please insert a "smart" joke here.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
Just assumed it was russian

LOL do they speak Russian in Quebec?
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:55 pm

Would be nice if we got to see the 748's in SU's livery!   
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 11):

News at Bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ie-up-of-russia-s-biggest-airlines
Aeroflot to pay 1 ruble for stake, Interfax reported

Sounds like they were on the verge of collapse, or rubles are worth more than I think!
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:59 pm

Quoting dalce (Reply 6):
Another step back in time for Russia. 1 state owned Airline called Aeroflot is the future! *sigh*

From what i understand, this isn't a merger, bu rather SU will become the major stakeholder in UN.

Although the bloomberg article does use the word "consolidation".

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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:00 pm

Maybe its easier now to offload some of the surplus Aeroflot 77Ws. Some could replace the Transaero 773s, or Boeing might take back some on delivery of the 748s. Or Airbus might take them if the A380s are finally being delivered.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Aeroflot to pay 1 ruble for stake, Interfax reported
Sounds like they were on the verge of collapse, or rubles are worth more than I think!

If it was only 1 rouble for the 75% stake then UN were approaching imminent collapse and/or it was directed by the central government.

Quoting dalce (Reply 6):
Another step back in time for Russia. 1 state owned Airline called Aeroflot is the future! *sigh*

That's what it looks like....
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:14 pm

According to Google, 1 rouble=0.015 USD.

Is this a joke or something?
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:14 pm

I think this is good. Help make a strong unified carrier for Russia and help avoid the duplication and overlap of routes.

The most interesting I think will be what will happen at Moscow airports. SU focused on its improved SVO hub, while UN focused mostly on VKU these days for international and some domestic at DME.

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Sounds like they were on the verge of collapse, or rubles are worth more than I think!

Per story, SU assumes UN's debt which stood at 64.8 billion rubles ($990 million) end of fiscal year.
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:23 pm

I'm in favor of this. Can't wait to find out more.

Quoting ams747757 (Reply 13):
Would be nice if we got to see the 748's in SU's livery!

Or..

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1136/692471173_e67faad45b_o.jpgAeroflot A380 by deltaflotfan, on Flickr
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:23 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
That doesn't sound anti-competitive, not one bit

Fair and open markets have never been a priority in Russia.

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Sounds like they were on the verge of collapse, or rubles are worth more than I think!

I wouldn't be surprised if power brokers in the Kremlin is strong-arming the powers that be at Transareo into accepting Aeroflot, and de facto Kremlin, control. It's happened and continues to happen over and over again in Putin's Russia.

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 17):
or it was directed by the central government.

I'll wager a few hundred rubles on that.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:27 pm

Quoting Fly-K (Reply 12):
LOL do they speak Russian in Quebec?

Yes, that's how the learnt to play hockey. From the local Russians    .
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:35 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Aeroflot to pay 1 ruble for stake, Interfax reported

Sounds like they were on the verge of collapse, or rubles are worth more than I think!
Quoting 777X (Reply 18):
According to Google, 1 rouble=0.015 USD.

Is this a joke or something?

Transaero has something like US$1 billion in debt which is the real cost of purchase. That plus having to deal with Putin.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:37 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 1):

I think the A380 and the 747-8 orders are TOAST.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:46 pm

Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 24):
I think the A380 and the 747-8 orders are TOAST.

I think ALL orders are toast, we will see them shed aircraft left and right.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:46 pm

That Aeroflot iA380 s the first livery I've seen on the plane where I feel it looks good!
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:48 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 19):
I think this is good.

Not for the customer.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:50 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 27):
Not for the customer.

The customer is also a taxpayer
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:13 pm

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 25):
I think ALL orders are toast, we will see them shed aircraft left and right.

What orders does Transaero actually have? Airbus only lists 8 A320 neos and the 4 A380s, while they have the 748 order from Boeing plus probably some remaining 738s. Wikipedia lists things like A330s (ceos and neos) and A321s but either those are being leased, bought second hand, or not actually firmed.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:21 pm

I'm so sorry. I really liked what Transaero was doing and respected their management. This is a massive step backwards for Russia. I think SU may take the A380's... but I'll bet you anything the 748i's will not.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:34 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 20):
Or..

Is it only me that thinks SU A380 looks much alike EK A380?


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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:42 pm

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 31):

I guess in some way with the tail.
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:49 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 15):
From what i understand, this isn't a merger, bu rather SU will become the major stakeholder in UN.

Although the bloomberg article does use the word "consolidation".

Indeed, from an accounting context, this would be almost certainly be a consolidation.

If the acquiring company has control over the acquired, the two companies must be considered consolidated. US GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles) use 50% as a rule of thumb; IFRS (international financial reporting standards) don't have such a number. "Control" is defined as being able to alter one's returns from the investment, being exposed to changes in returns, and most significantly "the ability to direct the relevant activities." I can't imagine Aeroflot acquiring Transaero and not directing Transaero's airline activities.

Transaero has also put up a press release (in Russian) on its website.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Aeroflot to pay 1 ruble for stake, Interfax reported

I just paid 500pyb on two glasses of russian beer. Could I have bought at least some stocks? Please, I don't like russian beer at all!
Cheers @MOW and will follow closely these news.
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I haven't heard any nice stories of UN lately, though I flew them with no problems, but in short haul, mostly on their ageing B737 classics!
But flights to Thailand, US and now this case to HKG tend to be mostly delayed or with big troubles. Don't know how it goes with this giant planes landing in Cyprus, Turkey and Egypt in Holiday trips...
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:18 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 7):
I suspect the UN 748I's will become whitetails per Putin's orders

Or one could be commandeered to supplement the current state transport...    ...


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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 9):
Alternatively it might be "Transflot"

That actually sounds more apt..."Transferred to Aeroflot"...  

[Edited 2015-09-01 10:46:03]
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:53 pm

Could this present some opportunities for S7 in the international market?

For instance the UK-Russian Federation bi-lateral allows up to 2 airlines from each country to operate between London and Moscow. The Russian incumbents are SU and UN.

If the two brands merge into one that leaves a gap for a second Russian airline, potentially S7. I don't know but I imagine other bilaterals are similar and so there may be a number of other opportunties for S7 [and of course other players in the Russian aviation sector.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 36):
Could this present some opportunities for S7 in the international market?

If only from Moscow to OneWorld hubs, I can see.
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:58 pm

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 30):
I think SU may take the A380's... but I'll bet you anything the 748i's will not.

I would tend to think the opposite (if they take any VLAs at all) just because two of the 748s have already been built, and furnished with at least some buyer equipment.

The consolidated airline could actually use a significant VLA fleet. How far along is the sale of the Aeroflot 77Ws?
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:05 pm

Combined entitiy can work to rationalize frequencies and routes where the airlines duplicate each other.

I think in the long run this will be good as it can provide SU a boost by giving it better market position as it consolidates and no longer needs to fight UN.
For example on longhauls I can see SU being able to offer higher frequency consistent service instead of splitting some routes with UN as it does today.
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:18 pm

Looks like Col. Putin is getting a 380 as his "presidential" ride! What good is being the lead Oligarch if you can skim a bit off the top?

Guess his dick is finally bigger than Obama's....
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 29):

What orders does Transaero actually have? Airbus only lists 8 A320 neos and the 4 A380s, while they have the 748 order from Boeing plus probably some remaining 738s.

Seems two of the 747-8s are already (fully or partially?) built:

L/N 1519 - 747-85M , RC076, serial number 42416, EI-MOW?, Transaero Airlines #1, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, roll-out May 12 2015, temporally stored KPAE, delivery postponed until January 2016 ?

L/N 1523 - 747-85M, RC077, serial number 42417, EI-TSO?, Transaero Airlines #2, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, roll-out ????, scheduled delivery January 2016 ?

Ref: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 22 (by KarelXWB Aug 31 2015 in Civil Aviation)#3

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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:24 pm

Will TRANSAERO become a charter/leisure airline - or will it stay a scheduled carrier?

Never understood their business model - flying on one hand (most drunken) Russian tourists to Phuket, Punta Cana, Antalya etc. and on the other hand being a "premium" scheduled carrier, even with a real FirstClass cabin, to N.Y. etc.!

No access to an international alliance, indifferent on-board product (as most a/c's are second-hand) and no real hub - that's the result!
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:24 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 38):
I would tend to think the opposite (if they take any VLAs at all) just because two of the 748s have already been built, and furnished with at least some buyer equipment

I hope you're right. That's better than nothing. Though I'd be mortified if one became Putin Force One.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:33 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 17):
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 19):

It sounds like it's a translation error and is a ruble per share which is still nothing. Bloomberg makes it look like the govt brokered the deal, BUT this is really a result of the sanctions. I have no doubt they are nearly worthless. This is survival more than an attempt to control all air service.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:36 pm

This is likely dictated by financial necessity (as UN was having difficulty with payments), politics, or both. From an operational point of view, it makes sense on domestic routes, but I wonder what will happen to UN's high density leisure routes, for which the 748 or A380 were likely destined for. I don't see them fitting SU's model, unless they keep UN as separate entity.
From a competition point of view, it's a terrible blow to a Russian domestic market which was needing more, not less, competition...
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:40 pm

Quoting debonair (Reply 42):
Never understood their business model - flying on one hand (most drunken) Russian tourists to Phuket, Punta Cana, Antalya etc. and on the other hand being a "premium" scheduled carrier, even with a real FirstClass cabin, to N.Y. etc.!

Actually, my Belarussian and Russian friends who live in the NYC area liked it MUCH better than SU. And better than DL.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:44 pm

Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 24):
I think the A380 and the 747-8 orders are TOAST.
Quoting Armodeen (Reply 25):
I think ALL orders are toast, we will see them shed aircraft left and right.
Quoting Polot (Reply 29):
What orders does Transaero actually have?

Outstanding orders at UN may not be the only ones at risk, as SU may decide to cancel some of their orders now that they are absorbing UN's fleet.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:49 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 47):
Outstanding orders at UN may not be the only ones at risk, as SU may decide to cancel some of their orders now that they are absorbing UN's fleet.

But everyone gets a Sukhoi now!   
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RE: Aeroflot Purchases Transaero

Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:50 pm

If Russia could play nice internationally, SU's new combined hub (they'd have to merge at one of the airports) could be a world-beater. Unlike the ME3 and even TK, they're perfectly placed to connect Europe and East Asia, which is a far bigger market than the South and Southeast Asian markets that ME3 dominates. SU is well placed to connect there as well, especially for US flights to South Asia.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=nyc-maa,+nyc-svo-maa

A lot would have to happen politically and infrastructurally for this to work, but it would be pretty formidable IMO. SU can use narrowbodies to reach all of Europe's secondary/tertiary cities. On the East Asian links they'd have payload/range capacity to haul full cargo loads with 777's and A350's. If the hub got big enough they could even use A380's pretty well on the long haul legs...

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