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MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:21 pm
by TKA380
Continued from last thread

- As of 01MAR16 Jeddah – Manchester 4 weekly will be operated by the new 787-9.
- Etihad to operate 2x daily 77W through winter.
- Condor Adds Manchester – Lanzarote Seasonal Service Feb – Apr 2016
- Iraqi continue despite ban on their own aircraft entering EU, operating with wet-leased Hermes Airlines (H3, Athens Int'l) A320-200 - SX-BDS (cn 879) - from UAE-based lessor Aerovista.

Finally, Austrian flights to Vienna will begin very soon on 10 Sept operated by a Fokker 100.

Any other updates, continue to share  

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:32 pm
by gkirk
AN-124 departing about 7:30pm tonight.

EK celebrated the 5th anniversary of WhaleJet ops to MAN yesterday

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:43 pm
by TKA380
Quoting gkirk (Reply 1):

So it is, I was there 5 years ago - time has flown! EK have also said they're looking to make the A380 flights 3 daily. Maybe next year we'll see it, it's incredible really.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....uper-jumbo-anyone-emirates-9972002

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:18 pm
by TKA380
Jet2 just ordered 27 Boeing 737-800's from Boeing, we'll have to wait and see how many of these we'll see based at MAN.  

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:50 pm
by David_itl
Passenger numbers up a smidgen of 5% in August to 2.69 million. The moving annual total is now 22.74 million terminal passengers (22.83 million with transit). This financial year it's up 3.9% - bear in mind that there was just 1.3% extra seats available this summer so it indicates aircraft are getting fuller.


Freight is now back above the 100,000 ton mark for the moving annual total which is a healthy 6% increase. August was up nearly 11%.

With LH about to operate a new weekly LAX-MAN-FRA service with DHL meant to begin a 5 weekly service to Leipzig, things are looking bright again on the cargo front.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:37 pm
by TKA380
Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):

Are they operating a 777F or MD-11F on that route?

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:49 am
by gkirk
Quoting TKA380 (Reply 5):

77F, the MD11 occasionally appears on the DFW flight though

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:19 pm
by by738
I never really understand CFG operating ex MAN, is it just to provide extra capacity for TCX, or are they operating as an independent with a growing route network from MAN?

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:06 pm
by oly720man
Quoting gkirk (Reply 6):
77F, the MD11 occasionally appears on the DFW flight though

The MD11 is on the GEC8203 flight (DFW-MAN-FRA)
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GEC8203/history

The 77F is on the GEC8175 flight (ATL-MAN-FRA)
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GEC8175/history

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:32 pm
by rutankrd
Quoting by738 (Reply 7):

I never really understand CFG operating ex MAN, is it just to provide extra capacity for TCX, or are they operating as an independent with a growing route network from MAN?

Performance and capacity in the main however remember that TCX and CFG are effectively the same company in the back office these days.

On the long haul Manchester flights carry the CFG code and offer connections via Lufthansa and Flybe going West.
From Munich and Frankfurt the Thai flights also carry the TCX code

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:39 am
by spiplane
Any news on Iraqi Airways flights returning? Happen to catch the Aerovista A320 they were using on Sunday morning September 6th. Tonight's (Wednesday) flight does not show up on the airport website.

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RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:45 am
by 8herveg
What are the chances of Royal Air Maroc starting flights to MAN? Morocco is a very popular destination for Brits. I know there are a few low-cost/charter airlines who fly from MAN to Morocco, but is there a market for a legacy carrier to fly perhaps to Marrakesh?

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:28 am
by gkirk
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11):

I think TOM/EZY have that market covered I'm afraid.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:43 pm
by TKA380
What happened to a direct China flight? I thought Hainan wished to start. Is the visa requirement an issue?

Also, does anyone know why TG don't operate to MAN. Why wouldn't it work? They can carry passengers through BKK to other Far East destinations and also Australasia. Or has EK, TK, QR, SQ & EY taken up this this market fully? Personally I'd rather stop in BKK than DXB, DOH or AUH if I was off to Sydney, there's much more to see & do if you take a one or two day rest stop.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:46 pm
by ZKOJH
regarding flights to China - it might have a thing to do with lack of slots at PEK. as I read in the "China daily Newspaper" today in my office in Beijing (which comes free to our office each day) is an interesting story on page 5.

"Work set to begin soon on Beijing airport's 4th runway"

Beijing Capital International Airport, the busiest in China, will soon start building a new runway to help ease the heavy burden on existing facilities and improve flight punctuality, airport managers said.

The airport's current three runways handle about 1,600 flights each day, which is more than their intended capacity and has resulted in less time for maintenance, according to Luo Liang, head of the airport's planning and development department.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2015-09/15/content_21853085.htm

basically its a long story - but the bit that I spotted was it wants to have direct links to both Dublin and Manchester but the 4th runway won't be ready till 2018. so that gives us a time frame to work with.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:43 pm
by EMAman
Quoting TKA380 (Reply 13):
Or has EK, TK, QR, SQ & EY taken up this this market fully?

and CX

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:01 pm
by rutankrd
Quoting TKA380 (Reply 13):
Also, does anyone know why TG don't operate to MAN.

Thai International is a major loss marker on the long haul, can't even make money out of Heathrow !

And the Brits don't go to the coast in the numbers that the Scandinavian do where they deploy the 77W.

Really from their own bottom line staying away from Manchester is probably a positive move. BTW Bangkok as a rule has pretty poor up front yields for many carriers.

As for the Chinese issues it really is down to politics and its' the Mandarins in Whitehall stopping regional services with anti Chinese policies (Visa issues) and other rhetoric with a very restrictive bilateral still in place.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:49 pm
by TKA380
Just a reminder for anyone who hasn't seen

EK19/20 will be changed to a two class A380 thus increasing capacity as of 01 JAN 2016.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:03 pm
by oly720man
Regarding the Hainan flights, this from July with Scotland now in the mix.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1..._back_quot__flight_via_Manchester/

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:19 pm
by B742
Reports of a bird strike on a Jet2 737-300 operating LS804 from Barcelona. (G-CELD)

As usual - press is quick to make a huge deal out of it
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....e-manchester-jet2-airport-10077466

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:44 pm
by David_itl
The August provisional passenger statistics are out. I think we should merely reflect on one route:

CX had an astonishing 95% load in August.

Seriously, this should actually be worthy of a separate thread on how the ME3 do not poach passengers; I wonder how many passenger CX is actually turning away. The expansion of the route cannot come quickly enough and now we must have some doubts whether going daily A350 will be better than being a daily 77W. The other thing is that CX have substituted the lower density 77W with F class on a few occasions which may give a very slight indication that there are people paying in sufficient numbers for a more premium heavy aircraft to be needed.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:51 pm
by oly720man
Very impressive figures. Hopefully the Chinese economy slowing won't cause problems.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 20):
Seriously, this should actually be worthy of a separate thread on how the ME3 do not poach passengers

For many I expect a non-stop service will beat one with a stop-over and if people are continuing from HKG with CX it may be cheaper anyway. The poaching may be the other way if people prefer the bright lights of Hong Kong to those in Dubai.

Probably impossible to judge, but how many are not flying CX from LHR since the MAN service started?

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:07 pm
by TKA380
Quoting david_itl (Reply 20):

When I was going from MAN to HKG in Aug last minute on a standby ticket I looked at CX and stood no chance of getting on. Flew with TK in the end (got upgraded on the way out and it was amazing - so definitely a good choice!).

I didn't know that they were looking to change it to A350, whilst that'd be a nice sight - I think the 77W may be working better. Maybe A350 for Winter schedule & 77W in Summer would make sense.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:11 am
by David_itl
Quoting oly720man (Reply 21):
Probably impossible to judge, but how many are not flying CX from LHR since the MAN service started?

That's a good question but I'm not about to fork out some dosh to get the detailed report! LHR saw passenger numbers drop by 2,500 passengers. We had 11,650 passengers. Most of the "connector" hubs had increases as well so it may have just increased the overall market.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:15 am
by PoleHillSid
Also re Thai, if you're *A you have the option of quite a few one stops going east, so only direct to Bangkok would have an advantage over transferring with SQ*, SK, LH etc for all but regional Thai destinations.

* Yes SQ routes through MUC but then their product and hub airport are IMO brilliant. Plus they have been flying out of MAN quite some time with an excellent reputation.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:39 pm
by Mattuk
Vueling (VY) to announce 3 x weekly MAN-ALC from the 16th June 2016.

Not sure if this route is to be seasonal or year round.


Also, Loganair aircraft have taken over from the Flybe Q400s on MAN-INV.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-34247172

[Edited 2015-09-19 15:49:34]

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:29 pm
by David_itl
EXS943 took off at 3.03pm and made it as far as Mossley before taking up the hold at 8000 feet around Blackburn. It's still in the hold at 4.27pm Expect the "Shock! I thought I was going to die" headlines in the Evening News tomorrow!

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:24 pm
by David_itl
According to the raisin site, MAN and LGW are swapping A380s from the 27th March with the 2 class version going to LGW with the 3 class version coming back here. I can't envisage EK deciding that having 100 fewer seats at MAN is going to be very good idea so let's speculate that either EK21/22 will become A380 or EK23/24 will be announced. The 25th anniversary of EK's arrival into MAN may well be a suitable occasion to do it.

MAN has also appointed on the Head of Businss at the MEN Media to be head of the External Affairs which may see an enhanced profile in the media.

Norwegian is also displaying this message when attempting to book MAN-BOS "Selected route is for sale from 14. May 2016. See first available days below." so either they have a website glitch or we have another long-haul route!

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:27 am
by David_itl
As reported in the Shanghai Daly News, Ryanair is transferrimg LPL-BTS to MAN from next summer. Ops 3 weekly.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:19 am
by col
Quoting david_itl (Reply 28):
As reported in the Shanghai Daly News, Ryanair is transferrimg LPL-BTS to MAN from next summer. Ops 3 weekly.

I guess these will be afternoon/evening flights, as the Terminal can't take much else. Only 10 years and it will be OK.  

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:12 pm
by seemyseems
Does anyone know why QR26 diverted to ARN?

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:50 am
by Danfearn77
Ive heard grumblings that FR are to shift a few LPL based aircraft to MAN. O'leary was in town a week ago. So maybe this might just be the start....

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:39 am
by oly720man
Quoting seemyseems (Reply 30):
Does anyone know why QR26 diverted to ARN?

Judging by other flight routes that go over Holland and Germany whereas this flight headed straight for Stockholm I'd hazard a guess that it was going to pick something/somebody(bodies) up.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/a7-beb/#7954e60
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/a7-ban/#79a0b28

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 9:08 pm
by David_itl
Few more new routes...

FR to operate 3 weekly to MLA and 2 weekly to BDS.
VY 3 weekly to FCA

Oh, Shaheen Air meant to be operating 3 weekly to ISB using A330s.

Plus a seasonal upgrade
VS is bringing back the A346 for 3 weekly operations for a 6 week period from next July

VIP next Friday 23rd... the Chinese President is visiting Manchester with his trip rounding up at MAN for "an event".

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:41 pm
by Armodeen
Quoting david_itl (Reply 33):


VIP next Friday 23rd... the Chinese President is visiting Manchester with his trip rounding up at MAN for "an event".

Is he flying in? If so any idea of the aircraft type and times?

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:26 am
by David_itl
Yep, he's flying as we/re the last stop on his state visit as it's been reported as going back to Beijing from MAN.. Should be a 747 but don't know the times. The only places noted he's visiting are the Graphene Institute, civic lunch at the Town Hall, dinner at Manchester City then the airport bit so imagine we're talking 8pm/9pm departure. For the arrival, I reckon would be simpler to come up on the Thursday night.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:24 pm
by TKA380
Turkish Airlines started their evening MAN flight TK1491/TK1492 with a 737-700, now it appears that they are operating it mostly with 737-800, 737-900 & A321 with the new cabins (with the proper business class seats & PTV's with AVOD) which are also being operated on their other two daily flights.
http://www.turkishairlines.com/image...mage/basin_bultenleri/sky_b_06.jpg

[Edited 2015-10-16 05:25:37]

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:37 am
by David_itl
Hints of an announcement in Business Desk Northwest

"In the afternoon, the President and Madame Peng, accompanied by the Prime Minister, will attend an event at Manchester Airport, where there could be an annoucement regarding direct flights to the Chinese mainland - a prospect that has been in the pipeline for many months. "

One thing having Tom, Dick and Harry saying announcement imminent but when you get serious news organisations saying it....

Confirmed as flying up from London on Thursday night.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:26 pm
by GlenP
Hi all.

I see MS have stopped the MAN - CAI service for the winter, again.

Is there any indication, from load factors, etc., as to whether they'll be back next year?

Having experienced the, first ever, lost luggage incident, when combining LH & MS via FRA; despite the boost such a trip gives to your FFP mileage, I'd much prefer to take the direct option, if it's available.

Thanks in advance for any info, or thoughts, that can be provided.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:31 pm
by David_itl
MS carrying roughly 4,000 passengers per month (around 50% to 60% loads). It's the bilateral that someone in the Foreign Office seems to bin when it comes to sorting it out as they are always late in the day in getting the route available for sale.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:00 pm
by GlenP
Shame about the load factors, as on the occasions I've managed to fly the route it's always been pretty packed in Y & reasonably well populated in J. Still, I guess with the current, rather unfortunate, downturn in the tourist trade, I guess 50% - 60% loads on the route aren't to be sniffed at.

If it takes as long to sort out the renewal as it did this year, I might have to start flying via IST, with TK (sadly there seem to be no Star code shares with MS at the moment) & MS, despite TK having a less generous luggage allowance on international routes, & the need to stop overnight at IST, on the outbound, if you want to arrive in CAI at a decent time of day.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:34 pm
by David_itl
Even the FT is in on the Chinese act.

"An air link from Manchester to Beijing is also set to be announced during Mr Xi’s visit.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:59 pm
by Luftymatt
Quoting GlenP (Reply 38):
as to whether they'll be back next year?

I work with them, and MS have told us that they will be back next year. Eventually they want to be year round into MAN, it's just a case of waiting for demand to pick up again.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:12 pm
by GlenP
Cheers for that info.

On those occasions where I've been able to fly the service they've actually been rather good.

Fine, they're not in the EK or SQ league at the moment but on the last few flights, even their domestic services on Express, it's been possible to see that effort is being made (such as proper crockery, cutlery & glasses in domestic J & fairly good food on their international services, ex-Europe),

The direct MAN. - CAI routing qalso has the advantage of no, "Oh my God, it's early, wake up, followed by a long spell of killing time at a connecting airport.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:05 pm
by seemyseems
Very interesting about the potential PEK service! Does anyone have an idea into which airline will be operating on the route? CA? Is it likely to be direct or routed through another city?

Exciting  

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:41 pm
by TKA380
Quoting seemyseems (Reply 44):

Wasn't it always rumoured to be Hainan?

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:40 am
by ZKOJH
Well fingers crossed for CA and a nice 787 which will start joining the fleet next year, but it will be interesting to see where the slots come from at PEK ? (with 3 runways) its super fall, it makes LHR a joke.

Hainan are short on aircraft for long haul markets at the moment - current orders are for 3 x A330-300's and 30 x 787-9's - unsure of delivery dates. They have just started PRG and announced TLV to the network, so not sure if MAN will appear.

but fares would be interesting sometimes on CX via HKG you can pick up flights for as low as GBP 450 RTN!

just have to wait and see now.....tick tick tick.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:04 am
by David_itl
Quoting TKA380 (Reply 45):

Wasn't it always rumoured to be Hainan?

The UK said they had been authorised but MAN is one of the routes deemed by the CAAC for expansion to by Air China from 2008ish. The route shop gives these for demand to mainland China in 2011: Beijing 89,000, Guangzhou 18,500, Shanghai 75,000. 182,000 passengers should be more than enough for a 4 or 5 weekly A330 non-stop service to PEK with the connections to PVG + CAN.

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:43 pm
by David_itl
Routes to be revealed with the expectation of an HU 787 on the ground


"an anonymous source with Hainan Airlines, which operates under parent company HNA, told the Global Times that the company will unveil new flight routes from China to the UK during Xi's visit."

Stating "routes" implies more than Beijing to be revealed so Shanghai may well also be on the agenda for services!

RE: MAN News 55

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:08 pm
by Mattuk
Hainan Airlines have loaded MAN-PEK into the GDS systems with service 4 days a week from the 10th June 2016

HU7903 PEK-MAN 0145-0605 x247
HU7904 MAN-PEK 1200-0525+1 x247

C / Y class will be available on an A332