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NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:30 am

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/nat...r-new-zealands-boeing-737-retires/

After 47 years Air New Zealand tonight will end its 737 Domestic Operations, the last flight is tonight as NZ557 on AKL-CHC (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANZ557).

How many airlines after so long being an 737 operator, have made the switch to an fully A320 narrow body fleet?
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:43 am

Quoting zkncj (Thread starter):
How many airlines after so long being an 737 operator, have made the switch to an fully A320 narrow body fleet?

Air Canada and British Airways (last two 734s will be retired soon) come to mind. That being said, iirc, AC will go back to Boeing.

edit: US Airways too (but they also had MDs and 757s in their fleet)

[Edited 2015-09-05 19:45:56]
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:51 am

IIRC, AC went form the DC9 to the A320. There was no 737.
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:06 am

Quoting toltommy (Reply 2):
IIRC, AC went form the DC9 to the A320. There was no 737.


AC had 732s from Canadian.
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:30 am

Sad day for 737 fans, like me.
I have flown on Air NZ 737-200s and -300s (the latter only once), plus a memorable Christchurch-Wellington-Auckland flight on the 737-200C, sitting next to the cargo door! Loved it.
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:35 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 4):
Sad day for 737 fans, like me.

Its funny how for the last 4 years everyone has tired to avoid, them and getting on an A320 operated service even if it meant taking the next service 30 minutes later on. Yet for the last couple of months its almost become fashionable to take an 733 service!

In away its sad to see them gone, but they need to go they we're starting to get externally warn and passenger comfort was allot less than the A320.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:01 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Quoting toltommy (Reply 2):
IIRC, AC went form the DC9 to the A320. There was no 737.



AC had 732s from Canadian.

Very briefly. They were used in their short-lived Zip LCC operation until they were retired.

If you consider the combined 737 service of CP and AC then it totals 36 years (1968-2004). And AC will be switching from A320 to 737MAX in a few years.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:58 am

I believe that Lufthansa still operates the 737-500, but when they are gone LH mainline shorthaul will be all A32x
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:04 am

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 7):
I believe that Lufthansa still operates the 737-500, but when they are gone LH mainline shorthaul will be all A32x

They also have nearly as many -300s as well. Not sure when they are planning to phase them out though.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:32 am

Quoting rta (Reply 8):
They also have nearly as many -300s as well. Not sure when they are planning to phase them out though.

Would this mean today it becomes LH/WN being the last major airlines still operating the 733?
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:10 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):

Would this mean today it becomes LH/WN being the last major airlines still operating the 733?

China Eastern & China Southern continue to operate B733's.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:14 am

Great flight. Really enjoyed the service and special commemorations held by the crew tonight. I'll be sure to compile a flight review and post it here when I return to Auckland.

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Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:18 am

Quoting ZKNCL (Reply 11):
Great flight. Really enjoyed the service and special commemorations held by the crew tonight. I'll be sure to compile a flight review and post it here when I return to Auckland.

Awesome that will be an great read
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:35 am

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Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:14 am

Aer Lingus went from a 732+BAC1-11 fleet starting in 1969 to 734/5 and then A320/321 by 2005
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:38 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 5):
Its funny how for the last 4 years everyone has tired to avoid, them and getting on an A320 operated service even if it meant taking the next service 30 minutes later on. Yet for the last couple of months its almost become fashionable to take an 733 service!

I was the exact opposite.

I find the 320 domestic interiors to be quite cold, cheap and flimsy.

I always found the 737 interiors to be warm, cosy, inviting. Old fashioned, sure, but fabric seats and the colour scheme just made it so much more enjoyable.

So long, you damn sexy Boeings. A job very well done.
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:59 am

I have racked up some 54 flights on NZs 737-300 fleet to/from AKL/WLG/CHC/DUD and ZQN. I flew all bar the first NGA/B/C that didn't last very long in the feet and have 8 sectors on NGI which retired today. One thing for sure takeoff out of WLG/ZQN is always more impressive on the old classics. As with everything and everyone has their time to go.

Unfortunately Boeing didn't produce a new aircraft that NZ wanted and that ultimately forced their hand. The A320 could be containerised for one thing, but there are other reasons.
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:00 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 7):
I believe that Lufthansa still operates the 737-500, but when they are gone LH mainline shorthaul will be all A32x

According to Wikipedia, LH will phase out its remaining 737 classics in this year (2015)

I was lucky to grab two LH 735 flights two weeks ago.
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:18 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 13):

You should have began your tribute with these pictures since NAC was the company that introduced the type at Aotearoa. Interesting to see the 5-across in Y. That orange livery was great, NZ should have an aircraft wearing it.



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Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:42 pm

I was aboard! I took loads of photos and will write a trip report asap. I have the honour of being the last passenger and the last passenger off. The crew were fantastic and made the occasion very special. ZK-NGI is in very good condition.

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Quoting zkncj (Reply 5):
Its funny how for the last 4 years everyone has tired to avoid, them and getting on an A320 operated service even if it meant taking the next service 30 minutes later on. Yet for the last couple of months its almost become fashionable to take an 733 service!

Same for me lol, though I must have been doing that for a year now.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 15):
I always found the 737 interiors to be warm, cosy, inviting. Old fashioned, sure, but fabric seats and the colour scheme just made it so much more enjoyable.

I prefer the A320 cabins, but I much prefer the 737 seat covers. They really enhance the cabin's ambience and are much more reflective of the airline than the black leather on the A320s.

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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:58 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 18):
Interesting to see the 5-across in Y.

Does anyone know how wide the seats of 5-abreast 737s were? How do they compare to 10-abreast 777s?
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:45 pm

Quoting Fallap (Reply 17):
According to Wikipedia, LH will phase out its remaining 737 classics in this year (2015)

I was lucky to grab two LH 735 flights two weeks ago.

Not the best source, has been postponed into 2016.

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http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting ajhYXE (Reply 20):
Does anyone know how wide the seats of 5-abreast 737s were?

Just under 19 inches for ABCE and just under 20 inches for D per the Boeing ACAP.

A nice touch that the middle seat of three is an inch wider to help with shoulder and hip room.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:39 pm

ANZ is usually quite good on the PR side, so hopefully it will do something to mark the passing of the 737 into its history. It has been a huge part of it; no other aircraft has spent nearly half a century with the airline and it has done so without any fatalities or hull losses - a very admirable record.

I recall, a few years back, a company in NZ produced an excellent video marking the 25th anniversary of the 737 with ANZ, which included a "cockpit flight" on a -200. Superb piece of work.

Presumably most 737 crews will move to the A320 or 787?

When does NZ receive its first 321s; are these primarily for trans-Tasman use, or will they also be seen on some trunk routes, such as early morning AKL-WLG?
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:56 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 23):
Presumably most 737 crews will move to the A320 or 787?

Most likely move to the A320, as they ordered more A320s than 733s.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 23):
When does NZ receive its first 321s; are these primarily for trans-Tasman use, or will they also be seen on some trunk routes, such as early morning AKL-WLG?

There first A321NEO is due to be in service around 2018 and these are for the Tasman/Pacific fleet, rather than the domesitc fleet. Which does mean they wont be on domestic at this stage, but could happen from time to time.

The Tasman/Pacific and Domesitc fleet an separate fleets, and the Domestic fleet can't operate Internationally (there non-etops and missing some navigational equipment, also have no IFE)
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:14 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 18):
You should have began your tribute with these pictures since NAC was the company that introduced the type at Aotearoa. Interesting to see the 5-across in Y. That orange livery was great, NZ should have an aircraft wearing it.

Not to forget the 'Freedom Air' 733's which most all at some-stage operated in an 'hybird' NZ levy.


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It would be right to think the 737 family saw the most differn't levys within the Air New Zealand Group?
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:42 pm

PIA operated Boeing 737-300 from 1985 to 2014, now moved to A320 fleet.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 15):

Totally agree there, I remember last year I was really sad when (what was supposed to be) my last 737 flight got cancelled and I was bumped to an A320 flight the next day. I went on a mission after that to get on a 737, and succeeded! The $50 premium was worth it in my view. The A320 are undoubtedly nice birds, but I too find the cabin rather clinical and cold. I preferred the cosy feel of the 737 interiors; my only gripe was that the windows were too low.

It's going to be weird flying between AKL and WLG knowing that I won't be able to see that distinctive 737 nose at the domestic terminal any more. Truly the end of an era; I guess I now have to find a way to catch an NZ 767 before they too disappear.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:31 pm

I think you'll find Britannia/Thomson beats ANZ having operated B737 from 1969 until present day and for some considerable time to come having ordered 40 B737 MAX 8/9

Unless someone can correct me but Thomson is probably the longest continuous user of the B737 and who is still using them!
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting bendewire (Reply 28):
I think you'll find Britannia/Thomson beats ANZ having operated B737 from 1969 until present day and for some considerable time to come having ordered 40 B737 MAX 8/9

NZ introduced the 732 in September 1968, and have only just retired that last 733 yesterday
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:48 pm

Sorry I win, Britannia took deliver of their first Boeing 737 - 200 G-AVRL L/N 38 on the 7th July 1968, I was mistaken quoting 1969.

They have operated -200 -300 -500 - 800 - NG they currently have 33 B737NG in service. Having checked other sources they are the longest continuous user of the B737 ever

  
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:50 pm

Quoting bendewire (Reply 28):


Having being the launch customer of the 737-100, surely Lufthansa is currently the carrier that has operated the 737 the longest?

I didn't consider BY though, and given that they do have the MAX on order it's possible they could be the longest continual operator by the time the MAX is retired. That said I'd put money on WN taking out that title, which they would do if they retire their last MAX 2 years after BY.
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:58 pm

Yep Lufthansa wins by 8 months, December 1967 first delivery, however once they retire their current -500 pretty soon BY will take over the mantle
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:59 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 23):
ANZ is usually quite good on the PR side, so hopefully it will do something to mark the passing of the 737 into its history.

Ha! I was on the first NZ 77W flight and the first NZ 789 flight. Guess what, barely a mention of it being the first flight of either types! To say I was disappointed was a bit of an understatement. Not that much was done for last night's flight as far as I could tell.
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:39 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 4):
Sad day for 737 fans, like me.

Well, after having flown in cramped 737s several times again in the past few weeks I must say I more and more prefer the A320. Not aesthetically, but as a passenger. The A320 is wider, and the windows in the 737 are placed ridiculously low for anyone a bit taller than a dwarf. Btw, is Boeing doing anything about that window issue on the 737Max?
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:30 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):

Would this mean today it becomes LH/WN being the last major airlines still operating the 733?

There are a lot of 733's still flying around Europe (mostly eastern countries).
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:46 pm

Quoting na (Reply 34):
Well, after having flown in cramped 737s several times again in the past few weeks I must say I more and more prefer the A320. Not aesthetically, but as a passenger. The A320 is wider, and the windows in the 737 are placed ridiculously low for anyone a bit taller than a dwarf. Btw, is Boeing doing anything about that window issue on the 737Max?

Likewise, I don't notice the "magic inch" in width but I do notice the itsy-bitsy porthole windows of the A320 and would take a Sky Interior 737 over an A320 any day. And a 180-seat 738 seems to offer noticable more seat pitch than a 180-seat 320. And while the 73's window line is too low for my liking, given I go for aisle seats over window these days, it doesn't really bother me. But this isn't really the place for digs at A or B - my personal hypocrisy intended and noted  

What's the fate of -NGJ? I believe it's the last 733 off the production line and sure enough, the only one I never managed to log. I hope it finds a worthy home.
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:20 pm

Lufthansa is probably the most prestigious long time 737 operators switched to A320 when they came out 25 years ago. LH still has 737-300 and -500.
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 37):
Lufthansa is probably the most prestigious long time 737 operators switched to A320 when they came out 25 years ago. LH still has 737-300 and -500.

I guess in a year or so that episode, no, its a long story, is over. LHs 737s are all older than the remaining first batch 744s.
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:55 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 35):
There are a lot of 733's still flying around Europe (mostly eastern countries).

Most of the airlines left operating 733 in Europe are what you would call Second Tier airlines, rather than first tier airlines like LH.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 36):
And a 180-seat 738 seems to offer noticable more seat pitch than a 180-seat 320.

Probably doesn't help that NZ configures row 1-12 on there A320s as 35" pitch, then packs 13-28 in at 30-31" pitch.
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting zkncj (Thread starter):
How many airlines after so long being an 737 operator, have made the switch to an fully A320 narrow body fleet?
Quoting bendewire (Reply 28):
Unless someone can correct me but Thomson is probably the longest continuous user of the B737 and who is still using them!

SA introduced the 737 in 1968 and still have them in their fleet, they had a brief flirtation with 320s which came and went, then more recently 319s and 320s again but the 737 is still going strong.
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:27 pm

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 36):
What's the fate of -NGJ? I believe it's the last 733 off the production line and sure enough, the only one I never managed to log. I hope it finds a worthy home.

It has. Won't be too far away from "home".
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:36 pm

BY still a longer continuous user of the 737 than SAA who took delivery of the first -200 in October 1968 as opposed to BY who started operations in July 1968
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:09 pm

Air Berlin also a long time 737 operator will also soon switch to an all Airbus fleet.

Back in the days when their name was still "Air Berlin USA" they had 737-200s and later 737-300SLs (SL stood for Super Leise = Super Quiet it was also painted on the aircraft) as well as 400s. They also had and still have a large 737-700 and -800 fleet. Even their phone number is 737 800.
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:13 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 43):
Even their phone number is 737 800.

NZ's is (0800) 737 000 (0800 is standard toll free pre-fix in New Zealand)
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:47 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):
Quoting ajhYXE (Reply 20):
Does anyone know how wide the seats of 5-abreast 737s were?

Just under 19 inches for ABCE and just under 20 inches for D per the Boeing ACAP.

A nice touch that the middle seat of three is an inch wider to help with shoulder and hip room.

I expect the wider middle seat depended on the seat manufacturer. I'm sure carriers could have ordered seats for a 5-abreast configuration with all seats the same width. A 20 inch width should have been possible for all 5 seats at 5-abreast when you take a 17 inch seat and divide it by 5 and add the result to each of the 5 remaining seats.

If memory correct the original Frontier also operated their 737s with 5-abreast for a while. The huge increase in fuel prices in the mid-70s following the OPEC embargo encouraged most carriers with those spacious configurations to add seats.

The A320 family's wider cabin also permits the option of a wider middle seat.
 
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:06 pm

Yesterday I said my final goodbye to ZK-NGI as she sat outside the ANZES Hangar at Christchurch.


ZK-NGI resting outside the hangar after being retired

Quoting zkncj (Reply 25):
e.g ZK-SBJ when transferred to the NZ fleet, never got an proper re-paint and flew around with an blue tail (faded sun) with an koru over top.

I liked that one...the odd one in the fleet (other than ZK-FRE).

Quoting zkncj (Reply 44):
NZ's is (0800) 737 000 (0800 is standard toll free pre-fix in New Zealand)

Time to change it to 0800 320 200. 
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 33):
Guess what, barely a mention of it being the first flight of either types!

I was pretty disappointed about that. There should have been celebratory cake too. The 747's final flight was supposedly lacklustre in terms of celebrations also.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 33):
Not that much was done for last night's flight as far as I could tell.

Champagne salute + speeches + cupcakes + mini watercannon salute at Auckland. I'd have liked to see more of a fuss made at the gate before departure though. A goodie bag once aboard (like they did for the QF767 retirement) would have been a nice touch also.



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Quoting SXI899 (Reply 41):
It has. Won't be too far away from "home".

Pleased to hear it. Unfortunately ZK-NGI is supposedly going to live much further afield.
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:13 pm

erstwhile Indian airlines (became Indian) now merged with air india opertaed 732 classics before moving to A320s.

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Some 732s were first phased into a subsidiary airline called Alliance Air
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and some went on to become freighters before End of service.
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:00 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 46):

Yesterday I said my final goodbye to ZK-NGI as she sat outside the ANZES Hangar at Christchurch.

Not quite the same as back in 2001 when there was multiple retired 732s lined up, with the odd BAE 146 in between. Looks like NZ has been allot faster at on selling / cutting up the 733s than they did with the 732s.

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 41):
It has. Won't be too far away from "home".

Hopefully on display some where then? or another one of Air Narau
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:28 pm

Im not so sure about how the A320 arrived. There is not alot between A320 and 738 with the 738 comparing well to A320 because it is slightly bigger. (longer)
I believe it went wrong for Boeing because they rocked up expecting ANZ to sign for Boeings because they always had.
Boeing were stunned to lose the order as Airbus got it due to if you wish the Boeing sales team arrogance. Good news was that when it came time for long haul Boeing came with sharp pencils and got the fleet they needed which was a 744 replacement in 77W and 77E and 787-9s.
I shudder to think what would have happened had ANZ ended up with A346 / A343. It just would not have worked as well.
The A320 are fine they just lack the character and history of the 737. Wellington will not be the same. For me their is hardly any difference between 738 (QF) and A320 (ANZ)

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