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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:30 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 48):
Hopefully on display some where then? or another one of Air Narau

I've heard Airwork/Toll, though I have no idea about the credibility of that rumor. Nauru Airlines now has ZK-NGD and ZK-NGH, so it wouldn't be out of the question for them to acquire another ex-Air New Zealand aircraft. That said, they already have six PAX 737s in their fleet, which seems quite big for a country as small and poor as Nauru.

Quoting boeing767-300 (Reply 49):
I believe it went wrong for Boeing because they rocked up expecting ANZ to sign for Boeings because they always had.
Boeing were stunned to lose the order as Airbus got it due to if you wish the Boeing sales team arrogance.

Or maybe Airbus had the better product?

Quoting boeing767-300 (Reply 49):
I shudder to think what would have happened had ANZ ended up with A346 / A343.

Well, for starters, the airline would have got much better looking aircraft. 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:03 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 50):
Or maybe Airbus had the better product?

I would say that was part of it back in 2002 when they ordered, as they made an massive deal about how much better they would be for passengers traveling across the Tasman.

Also that the A320 had the ability to take a couple of tones of cargo, in plates/cans rather than being bulk loaded.



Quoting boeing767-300 (Reply 49):
Boeing were stunned to lose the order as Airbus got it due to if you wish the Boeing sales team arrogance. Good news was that when it came time for long haul Boeing came with sharp pencils and got the fleet they needed which

Boeing has lost out at getting this order 3x times now, each time they order an large batch of A320 they tendered to both Airbus/Boeing.

e.g
2002 - International A320s
2010ish? Domestic A320s
2014 - International NEO replacements.

Each of these times, beoing could have tried to seal and deal an swap out the A320s.
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Wed Sep 23, 2015 5:02 pm

ZK-NGJ has departed overseas, whilst ZK-NGI is in maintenance at Christchurch.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 51):
Also that the A320 had the ability to take a couple of tones of cargo, in plates/cans rather than being bulk loaded.

This is significant.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 51):
2002 - International A320s
2010ish? Domestic A320s
2014 - International NEO replacements.

Each of these times, beoing could have tried to seal and deal an swap out the A320s.

  
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:51 pm

Time flies. Sad......

How many Airbuses do they have now?

Do they still fly widebodies between Australia and New Zealand or on domestic flights?
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:07 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 53):
ow many Airbuses do they have now?

Currently have 28

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Domestic: oab,ojq,ojr,ojs,oxa,oxc,oxd,oxe,oxf,oxg,oxh,oxi,oxj,oxk

Quoting United Airline (Reply 53):
Do they still fly widebodies between Australia and New Zealand or on domestic flights?

Currently no domestic wide-body services, Tasman and Pacific Island routes still get an of 763,772,77W,789 along with the A320.
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:25 am

Interestingly, NGJ made its last landing after that of the NGI.
Sad to see NZ 737 operations come to an end.
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:37 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 50):
Well, for starters, the airline would have got much better looking aircraft. 

Unfortunately good looks don't save aircraft hence the A345/6 died.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 51):
Boeing has lost out at getting this order 3x times now, each time they order an large batch of A320 they tendered to both Airbus/Boeing.

Once committed to a new type it is almost impossible to change. Using the same logic Airbus widebodies are continually losing out at Air New Zealand with top up orders for 77W and 789.

On topic sad to see 47 years of 737 service in NZ. Has Air New Zealand ordered replacements for the original international series ZK-OJ? fleet?
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:03 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 54):

Plus OJD and OXB.

Quoting boeing767-300 (Reply 56):

Yes NZ has ordered 13 A320/321NEOs to replace the 13 international aircraft from 2017. I think there could be more orders for future expansion.

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 55):

You mean in terms of a test flight before leaving the country?
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:00 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 57):
You mean in terms of a test flight before leaving the country?

Not quite.
NGI landed in CHC on Monday morning as NZ1787. NGJ landed in XSP on Monday afternoon on completion of its delivery flight. Unless the NGI makes a testflight under its current reg, from what I've heard it won't fly again on the ZK register.
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:50 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 31):
Having being the launch customer of the 737-100, surely Lufthansa is currently the carrier that has operated the 737 the longest?

Would Ansett NZ have had the dubious honour of flying the oldest 737's in NZ?
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:21 pm

Quoting Planesmart (Reply 59):
Would Ansett NZ have had the dubious honour of flying the oldest 737's in NZ?

Possibly although they didn't last that long as an 731 operator.
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:24 pm

Quoting boeing767-300 (Reply 56):
Once committed to a new type it is almost impossible to change. Using the same logic Airbus widebodies are continually losing out at Air New Zealand with top up orders for 77W and 789.

I wouldn't say that NZ has completely ruled out Airbus wide bodys, they did put an expression of interest to Airbus/Boeing to replace the 772/77W fleet with either the 77X or A350. At the same time they ruled out the 787-10, on the grounds that it doesn't meet there need with size/rage.

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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:36 pm

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Quoting zkncj (Reply 61):
I wouldn't say that NZ has completely ruled out Airbus wide bodys, they did put an expression of interest to Airbus/Boeing to replace the 772/77W fleet with either the 77X or A350. At the same time they ruled out the 787-10, on the grounds that it doesn't meet there need with size/rage.


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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:51 pm

Quoting Planesmart (Reply 59):
Would Ansett NZ have had the dubious honour of flying the oldest 737's in NZ?

At the time they were operating, they were certainly the oldest 737s in New Zealand. And also (perceived to be) the noisiest, using JT-8D engines that were a generation or two behind what were on NZ's aircraft at the time.

WLG residents complained hard, but noise tests showed that the Ansett planes were actually a few decibels quieter than NZ's - but there was no denying that Ansett's had a particularly harsh, crackling quality. I can well remember their departures off 34 at WLG.
 
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:43 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 63):
At the time they were operating, they were certainly the oldest 737s in New Zealand

They were single digit construction numbers ex LH 731s. They don't get much older than that. I just wish I had flown one as a kid.
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:43 pm

Quoting bendewire (Reply 30):
Sorry I win, Britannia took deliver of their first Boeing 737 - 200 G-AVRL L/N 38 on the 7th July 1968, I was mistaken quoting 1969.

They have operated -200 -300 -500 - 800 - NG they currently have 33 B737NG in service. Having checked other sources they are the longest continuous user of the B737 ever

 

Have Britannia/Thomson had 737s continuously though? I vaguely recall a period when they phased out the 737s and only operated 757s and 767s?
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RE: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 64):

Quoting gasman (Reply 63):
At the time they were operating, they were certainly the oldest 737s in New Zealand

They were single digit construction numbers ex LH 731s. They don't get much older than that. I just wish I had flown one as a kid.

They were wonderful, I remember flying on them regularly, they had been completely refurbished and to the casual eye they looked new. From memory I think they had 3 or 4 -100s as well as a couple of -200s and they were something like the 2nd, 3rd and 5th off the production line ( this is going back a while so I might be a bit out, but I am pretty certain one of them was the 2nd built).

Interestingly, a friend of a friend worked in Ansett's CHC maintenance and after they made the switch to a BAE146 fleet he said that the 20 year old 737-100s had required much less maintenance than the brand new 146 fleet.
 
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Re: NZ Ends 737 Operations After 47 Years

Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:46 am

zkncj wrote:
How many airlines after so long being an 737 operator, have made the switch to an fully A320 narrow body fleet?


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