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LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:53 am

LH Pilots are on strike Tuesday 8 September 2015:

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...ots-strike-over-cuts-10115733.html
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:56 am

That article is from March?
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:27 am

Unfortunately, it is true. No long-distance flights departing from Germany this Tuesday (Sept. 8th):
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unt...treiken-am-dienstag-a-1051689.html

Once again, I am very glad I opted against LH and booked on AF/KL for this Wednesday morning. Who knows how long it will take LH to get back on track. As much as I hate to say this, but LH has become essentially a non-option. I wonder if the various regularly striking unions are aware of this? I am not going to pay a 20%+ premium on my ticket price as passenger to enter a strike lottery.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:35 am

This is really getting ridiculous.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:36 am

Good news. I hope they find lots of support and keep on striking until all demands are met.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:58 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 4):
Good news. I hope they find lots of support and keep on striking until all demands are met.

Well, if their demands are to hasten the ultimate collapse / complete transformation of LH, I am sure they will succeed. LH's current business model is absolutely not sustainable. By any reasonable measure, they are always only a few quarters away from bankruptcy.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:10 am

Couple of newspapers in Germany last week hinted at Lufthansa contemplating an organized insolvency to rid itself off the pilots corps? Not sure if that could work, but apparently the top brass is in no mood to give in anytime soon.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:09 am

It's about time...I was afraid they were getting rusty on their striking skills since it's been what, 8-9 months since their last one? And they wonder why I don't book flights on them anymore, even though they're getting to be cheaper to fly than a great deal of other airlines on routes I routinely fly.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:30 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7):
It's about time...I was afraid they were getting rusty on their striking skills since it's been what, 8-9 months since their last one

Less than half a year since the last pilot strike. And originally, LH cabin crew were intending a major strike action during summer on top of that.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:38 am

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 8):

Less than half a year since the last pilot strike. And originally, LH cabin crew were intending a major strike action during summer on top of that.

A couple of the Luftwaffe pilots I work with told me they'd LOVE to bail from their job and take the new deal the new LH pilots are being offered vs. the deal they currently have in their job...that they're basically over-entitled. I'd love to hear a LH pilot's perspective on this...especially considering how LH is spinning more and more of their ops towards Germanwings and Eurowings.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:50 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 4):
Good news. I hope they find lots of support and keep on striking until all demands are met.

An absolute joke - they're already way overpaid...they're aren't investment bankers. Lufthansa can't make money with such costs.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:04 am

Quoting Marvinhsv (Reply 10):
they're aren't investment bankers

Who with their track record, do not deserve their packages either.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:08 am

When LH goes into self insolvency procedure they can get rid of all their pilots which make them trouble today.
I'm sure they have a list handy, of whom to get rid first and who is loyal to the company.

Those who go out during such procedure will already need to look around for a new job.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:15 am

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 2):
I am very glad I opted against LH and booked on AF/KL

So which one did you book?

http://www.journal-aviation.com/actu...tion-de-son-activite-long-courrier
Sounds like another round of AF strikes in the making.  
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:20 am

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 13):

http://www.journal-aviation.com/actu...tion-de-son-activite-long-courrier
Sounds like another round of AF strikes in the making.

Well, they didn't want the LH pilots to have all the fun themselves...besides, they invented this type of random striking, so they have a reputation to uphold.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:21 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 9):
especially considering how LH is spinning more and more of their ops towards Germanwings and Eurowings.

This is what the union says it is trying to prevent by striking. They are accusing LH-management of trying to shift jobs from LH-Mainline to LCC Eurowings. IMHO that ship has sailed. Eurowings will be expanded, no matter what.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:26 am

Quoting FRAEDDF (Reply 15):
This is what the union says it is trying to prevent by striking. They are accusing LH-management of trying to shift jobs from LH-Mainline to LCC Eurowings. IMHO that ship has sailed. Eurowings will be expanded, no matter what.

That was the deal a few years ago...all non-FRA/MUC ops would become GW/EW...those two hubs kept the LH tags...with few exceptions (i.e. DUS-EWR on LH). I don't get why they're still whining about it...
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:34 am

Quoting Marvinhsv (Reply 10):
An absolute joke - they're already way overpaid...they're aren't investment bankers. Lufthansa can't make money with such costs.

That is your opinion, the pilots seem to see it differently.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:45 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 14):
Well, they (SNPL) didn't want the LH pilots to have all the fun themselves

  

And it may turn into an all-out Euro Fest this fall.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...ew-face-big-pay-cuts-or-redundancy
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:04 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 16):
That was the deal a few years ago...all non-FRA/MUC ops would become GW/EW...those two hubs kept the LH tags...with few exceptions (i.e. DUS-EWR on LH). I don't get why they're still whining about it...

Well, the newly founded LH-subsidiary "Eurowings Europe" is legally based in Vienna/Austria. Any additional EW-aircraft for future growth will be registered in Austria and operate under an Austrian AOC, out of reach for German unions. I assume that's why they are so furious. But again, I think there is no turning back and LH-management will stand firm over this issue.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:22 am

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 13):

So which one did you book?

http://www.journal-aviation.com/actu...tion-de-son-activite-long-courrier
Sounds like another round of AF strikes in the making.

I went with KL. And yes, I am aware of the irony of citing AF as an example of a relatively strike-safe airline. However, unfortunately, looking at the last few years, they have been the safer bet. Which is saying a lot.

Quoting seahawk (Reply 17):
That is your opinion, the pilots seem to see it differently.

Well, unfortunately, given the state of LH's business, there is a very thin line between having an opinion and living in denial.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:26 am

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 18):
And it may turn into an all-out Euro Fest this fall.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...ew-face-big-pay-cuts-or-redundancy

Wow...raking in record profits AND telling folks they have to take a pay cut or risk losing their jobs. But hey, at least the shareholders are happy, and it's all about the shareholders, isn't it?
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:27 am

I was going to post this last Friday, asking you guys how long until VC calls a strike.  http://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Luftha...-Super-Sommer-article15866331.html
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:30 am

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 5):
LH's current business model is absolutely not sustainable. By any reasonable measure, they are always only a few quarters away from bankruptcy.

Then how are they able to make such big aircraft orders like the 747-8 and 777-9X?
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:37 am

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 20):
Well, unfortunately, given the state of LH's business, there is a very thin line between having an opinion and living in denial.

1,5 Billions earned, I think the managers are in denial and the pilots are right.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:37 am

Do LH pilots earn well compared to pilots working at the competition?

Also: I thought people still were dreaming of becoming a pilot, so there should be a large supply of young aspiring pilots. If so, there is all reason for a company to slash salaries.

And remember: Germany is a low-wage environment, were many skilled workers hardly earn a living wage (e.g. nurses), and people with professional degrees (e.g., Phd's working in public institutions) may walk home with barely more than 2.000 Euros in their pockets every month. And for comparison: Renting a flat (3-4 rooms) may set you back 800-1200 Euros a month already.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:39 am

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 23):
Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 5):
LH's current business model is absolutely not sustainable. By any reasonable measure, they are always only a few quarters away from bankruptcy.

Then how are they able to make such big aircraft orders like the 747-8 and 777-9X?

They are modernizing their fleet because want to survive the next 5-10 years in an extremely unfavorable environment. Which is exactly the same reason why they have to restructure.

Or do you think they should fly old gas guzzlers and pay extremely high wages at the same time and then simply fold completely around 2020 or so (or possibly much sooner)? That'd be marvellous for the pilots!
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:54 pm

oh noooo, I was exchanged to them cause air malta cancelled the MLA ALG flight on that week, and I was caught by AF strike last year.... anyways, another law suit coming :/
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:16 pm

Ah, more pilot bashing. Read the news before you your tiring game.

They are not striking for money or else. (proof me wrong) They offer cutbacks to prevent jobs from been transfered abroad. But LH pushes the transfers no matter what. They didnt even ask for more concessions. Others went thru this already, with all their jobs gone. The pilots are just fighting back.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:55 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 6):
Couple of newspapers in Germany last week hinted at Lufthansa contemplating an organized insolvency to rid itself off the pilots corps

the Company is by far too healthy to do that. Although by that way the could get rid of the Pension obligations. Bitr, No, Chance that would be approved by the board, that would be extremely risky for the board members itself since they are liable personally for wrong decisions

Quoting FRAEDDF (Reply 19):
I assume that's why they are so furious. But again, I think there is no turning back and LH-management will stand firm over this issue.

They have to learn that there is no longer a "German" market but a European market. They could have had EW based in Germany if it wasn't for These stupid industrial Action. It's their own fault that EW is Austria based. In any case, it is not the pilot's decision and a strike about it is illegal anyway. "Mitvestmmung" means that you have employees on the board, not that you can strike about such issues.

Quoting seahawk (Reply 24):
1,5 Billions earned, I think the managers are in denial and the pilots are right.

Nice, but still not the ROI that is needed to finance future growth
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:55 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 24):
1,5 Billions earned, I think the managers are in denial and the pilots are right.

Simply because a company is bringing in sizable profits shouldn't be de facto logic to increased wages, especially when those demanding the wage increases aren't those who are directly contributing to the increased profits. LH, and every other competent airline for that matter, is raking in record profits primarily as a result of a fuel windfall, not because elite pilots are doing their job incrementally better than they were in the past. Supply and demand dictates compensation - not corporate profits.

Look at a company like Apple. They rake in quarter after quarter of record profits. Do they consequently increase wages paid to those who piece these phones together in sweatshop conditions to a degree that's even remotely comparable to their profitability increases? Of course not. Welcome to capitalism, sorry if it doesn't suit you.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:18 pm

Lufthansa cancelled just under half of its long-haul flights planned for Tuesday:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...trike-pilots-idUSL5N11D0OD20150907

Quote:
Lufthansa said it would operate 90 out of about 170 planned long-haul flights for Tuesday and all seven cargo flights thanks to pilots volunteering to work.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 24):
1,5 Billions earned, I think the managers are in denial and the pilots are right.

Do you have any source for that figure? Everything I could find was a loss of EUR 700+ million for 2015.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:34 pm

From the article:

Quote:
The union said on Monday the strike, the 13th walkout in 18 months, would affect long-haul passenger flights and cargo flights out of Germany from 0600 GMT to 2159 GMT on Tuesday.

That's a strike every 1.25 months...yah, those pilots are being REALLY effective...at pissing off the paying pax.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:38 pm

It's a shame what's happening at LH. They should overthink their business model - establish as a true premium carrier or become a new LCC in Europe and I think it's heading towards the latter. What a shame to this brand.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting galleypower (Reply 28):
Go for it, VC!

Spot on. They should declare an open end strike until all demands are met.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:18 pm

You'd think that after 13 strikes in 18 months, it'd become clear that maybe the tactic of relentless striking isn't working ...
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:25 pm

Quoting AA94 (Reply 36):
You'd think that after 13 strikes in 18 months, it'd become clear that maybe the tactic of relentless striking isn't working ...

Actually you would think that management would realize that endless weak talking will not resolve this issue and they need to come up with more realistic and acceptable alternative.

LH management could many times over have saved all the money they desired to gain from pilots by simply avoiding these strikes. The longer they drag this out, the more loss they will generate as pilots continue their labor actions to show their displeasure.

Solving this is all in managements hands by crafting acceptable proposals for the parties involved.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:05 pm

You people favoring VC and them striking until their goals are met will in no time find these pilots loose their jobs.

LH will pull off another coup and we will see another case of SR to LX to VO. They don't even have to declare bankruptcy for LH Mainline or the LH Group. They just switch all flying to EW. Getting pilots will be no problem as soon as they inform the public that LH mainline will be closed as a business branch.

What most people don't know is that the German law for laying of people is way more relaxed if you close down a full business branch because it is not profitable. And LH mainline is not profitable. Also the compensation for an immediate cancellation of work contracts is way lower in case you close down a full branch of a company, because that branch is producing losses and being a danger to all other branches of the same healthy company.


Stupid VC will loose so much reputation in the end for the decisions they are making right now. Btw, at AB the labour costs are still lower than the new labour costs of EW. And AB is having problems not making large losses. Go figure out what the current labour costs at LH mainline do to this company... welcome to the reality of Germany 2015.

[Edited 2015-09-07 10:18:05]
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:49 pm

will this have any knock on effect on European flights? I am booked on LH284 FRA-BLQ on Wednesday 9th.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:05 pm

I feel like German firms and Unions are very adept at labor negotiations.

Is the situation at LH an anomaly or is this a wider trend going on in the German economy?
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 35):
Spot on. They should declare an open end strike until all demands are met.

I highly doubt that blackmailing is the solution for this conflict. LH will not have a long-term future if all the pilots demands are met.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29):
They could have had EW based in Germany if it wasn't for These stupid industrial Action. It's their own fault that EW is Austria based.

I agree. And now they are trying to prevent future growth of EW outside of Germany by striking even more. This will only reaffirm LH-management in their strategy to further weaken the influence of the pilots union.


According to German news website "Spiegel Online", the strike on Tuesday is only the prelude to another series of strikes by LH-pilots until the end of the year:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unt...iks-bis-weihnachten-a-1051824.html

Excerpt translation: "Strike action is possible at LH every week until further notice", said pilots union spokesperson Markus Wahl. Only the christmas holidays will be guaranteed strike-free. According to information gathered by Spiegel Online, union members have been told at meetings to expect multiple-day strike action each and every week now.

Sounds like this labor dispute will escalate very soon and get really ugly.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:33 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 4):
Good news. I hope they find lots of support and keep on striking until all demands are met.

I have a hard time finding sympathy for any one going on strike, causing (sometimes) severe inconvenience for customers, who ultimately pays for their very income.
Not to mention that in this case many of them earn hundreds of thousands of euros, while most of their customers earn an average of 35000 euro . . .

Will these pilots be around at the check-in counters, explaining angry passengers why they are now innocent victims of a war which they are not part of?? Will they help their customer service colleagues who have to deal with tens of thousand of angry passengers, trying desperately to rebook them or find hotels?? And not only in FRA and MUC. But at ALL airports were passengers are stranded?

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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:41 pm

I have been trying to call LH support numbers in the USA. Calls get disconnected due to "busy circuit". The booking app is also giving me a "spinning ball". I was trying to switch to LX. If the goal of the union is to create chaos, then they are succeeding mightily. I am not familiar with the German, and specifically LH, labor situation, so I won't pass (ignorant on my part) judgment. Nevertheless, I have been flying LH for 31 years, and this service interruptions are getting tiresome.
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:00 pm

Quoting Planeflyer (Reply 40):
Is the situation at LH an anomaly or is this a wider trend going on in the German economy?

It is an anomaly, really. Germans are not very prone to strike action in general and the number of members in the large unions has been declining for decades. But there has been a trend for some time now to form small unions with highly specialized professionals, who are able to shut down even large companies. The pilots union is one example, another one is the German train drivers union which had a long labor dispute settled this year after shutting down all train traffic in Germany for multiple times. German politicians have been trying to limit the influence of these small but powerful unions with a new law, but the unions are fighting back with a lawsuit in German supreme court now, claiming that the law violates their constitutional rights.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:13 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 24):

1,5 Billions earned, I think the managers are in denial and the pilots are right.

You (and some of the pilots and VC too) seem to forget that that LH is more than just pilots.

In my opinion the currently striking pilots dug graves for the generations of LH-pilot to come. Even with the proposed conditions they would have had a decent salery and goodies around it. Now I see a future of outsourcing and contractors in the front row. You cant demand the golden contracts form 30 years ago for all the new pilots. It's different times.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:37 pm

Just announced:

German pilots union "VC" has extended their industrial action at Lufthansa until Wednesday, September 9. All short- and medium haul traffic originating from Germany will be affected from 00:01am until midnight on Wednesday. In addition, all Germanwings flights with the purpose to undermine the strike at LH-mainline will be affected as well.

Source (pilots union website):
http://www.vcockpit.de/presse/presse...nd-mittelstrecke-angekuendigt.html
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 4):
Good news.

I take it you are not booked on LH for these particular dates, am I warm?


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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:48 pm

For what it is worth, I have several alliance etc. reasons for not usually flying LH, but one of them is that I really am troubled by the unreliability of the flights; a direct result of the strikes. Hoping for a better future for LH, an otherwise excellent airline.
 
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RE: LH Pilots To Strike On Tue 8 Sept.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:53 pm

Quoting FRAEDDF (Reply 46):
Just announced:

German pilots union "VC" has extended their industrial action at Lufthansa until Wednesday, September 9. All short- and medium haul traffic originating from Germany will be affected from 00:01am until midnight on Wednesday

I guess that answers my question:

Quoting andz (Reply 39):
will this have any knock on effect on European flights? I am booked on LH284 FRA-BLQ on Wednesday 9th.
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Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos