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AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:51 am

AC will bring back scheduled widebodies to TPA in the form of Rouge, with 2x 767-300s scheduled for the Canadian winter traffic. Over the years, AC sporadically swapped in heavies to TPA, but I think this is the first scheduled AC widebody in over 15 years.

Still, won't beat seeing this one parked at gate C31 at the old Airside C when traversing the circular drive at TPA.


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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:20 pm

Air Canada 747 use to make appearances at all kinds of Florida airports in the winter. FLL among them, Miami was very popular for AC 747 before the Canadian merger.
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:26 pm

Well AC fans...enjoy it while it lasts...because I think Rouge is about to become the new norm on a LOT more routes than you're expecting.
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:10 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 2):
Well AC fans...enjoy it while it lasts...because I think Rouge is about to become the new norm on a LOT more routes than you're expecting.

Rouge is almost at is maximum allowable narrow body fleet. Some A319s are being returned as new A321s arrive soon to "top up" to 25 aircraft.

The B767 operation has another 8 a/c, then it too will be at its maximum 25 aircraft. (50 total). Most of that expansion will be new international leisure routes.

So no ... the only way a "LOT" more Rouge routes will appear, is if other Rouge routes disappear.

Like all leisure airlines in Canada, one will see the usual east/west transition in summer to north/south in winter.
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:27 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 3):
Rouge is almost at is maximum allowable narrow body fleet. Some A319s are being returned as new A321s arrive soon to "top up" to 25 aircraft.

The B767 operation has another 8 a/c, then it too will be at its maximum 25 aircraft. (50 total). Most of that expansion will be new international leisure routes.

So no ... the only way a "LOT" more Rouge routes will appear, is if other Rouge routes disappear.

Like all leisure airlines in Canada, one will see the usual east/west transition in summer to north/south in winter.

Is it possible for AC to take on additional capacity through sub contractors...such as CanJet or EnerJet or would that be a no-no under the CBA?
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:40 pm

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 4):

Due to Scope limitations that is not possible.
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:47 pm

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 4):
Is it possible for AC to take on additional capacity through sub contractors...such as CanJet or EnerJet or would that be a no-no under the CBA?

No. Nothing can be sub contracted and use the "Air Canada" name. Code-sharing on international routes IS allowed, but that is on a "balanced" basis, as allowed by current employee contracts.

Air Canada itself chose the 50 aircraft limit. Clearly they see this as the ideal size for a leisure carrier. Leisure airlines in Canada have a tough grind, they could use a hundred aircraft in winter, but only need about a quarter of that in summer.

How that is dealt with, varies with the airline. Air Canada/Rouge use a mix of routes. In winter, AC mainline flies a few overflow leisure routes and in summer Rouge flies some domestic low yield routes.
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:01 pm

Thanks for the heads up. Over the past few weeks, I've noticed a Rouge 767 a couple times at TPA.
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:26 pm

also brief to mention:
MCO will see a double daily RV B767 service x YYZ (as last year) and
FLL in addition a double daily RV B676 x YYZ and YUL (4 flights a day)
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:09 pm

How can Rouge spare so much widebody capacity? I didn't now TPA had enough demand for a 767 to YYZ.
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:04 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 9):
How can Rouge spare so much widebody capacity? I didn't now TPA had enough demand for a 767 to YYZ.

Tons of people looking for warm weather, sunshine, and golf   alot of people fly into TPA to go to the beach and travel into Orlando later on the trip etc. Remember Orlando is not on the Ocean. Even BA has a flight to TPA tons of those people i might even say the majority visit Orlando at some point of their vacations, Tampa is an alternate gateway, and for the beach crowd. Tons of great golf and stuff in the Tampa area.
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:28 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 9):
How can Rouge spare so much widebody capacity? I didn't now TPA had enough demand for a 767 to Top
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:34 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 10):

YYZ really isn't that different than the "snowbirds" of the Midwest or Northeastern USA in that respect. The only real difference being, there are no "sun spots" within the borders of Canada.
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:53 am

Quoting phatfarmlines (Thread starter):
AC will bring back scheduled widebodies to TPA in the form of Rouge, with 2x 767-300s scheduled for the Canadian winter traffic. Over the years, AC sporadically swapped in heavies to TPA, but I think this is the first scheduled AC widebody in over 15 years.

AC has a very long history at TPA. They've been serving it for 65 years. It was their 4th U.S. destination (after New York, Chicago and Cleveland) and their only destination in Florida for many years as they didn't get rights to MIA until sometime in the late 1960s. TPA has also been the site of AC's call center for all of the U.S. for many years.

Inaugural flight ceremonies at TPA April 21, 1950. Canadair DC-4M North Star, the Rolls-Royce Merlin-powered, pressurized DC-4 variant with some DC-6 features. The schedule was twice a week originally YUL-YYZ-TPA. One flight continued to NAS and the other to KIN.




Inaugural DC-8 flight to TPA January 16, 1961:




And the inaugural Vickers Vanguard flight to TPA in April or May 1961:




AC's first DC-9 flight to TPA was July 1, 1966.
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:40 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 9):

How can Rouge spare so much widebody capacity? I didn't now TPA had enough demand for a 767 to YYZ.


Widebody capacity comes from the seasonal shift of European flying to more north/south sunshine flying....
 
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:23 pm

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Quoting avi8 (Reply 9):
I didn't now

TPA had enough demand for a 767 to YYZ.

In winter...are you kidding?

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
AC has a very long history at TPA. They've been serving it for 65 years

In fact, they are TPA's longest serving airline.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
Inaugural flight ceremonies at TPA April 21, 1950.

That was before the 1952 terminal opened. I think the terminal at the time was along Westshore Blvd, maybe where that old icehouse building was, perhaps?


Side question:
Anyone know why AC replaced Rouge with regular AC @ SRQ?
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RE: AC Rouge 2x 763 TPA-YYZ Starting Dec 1st

Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:01 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 15):
Anyone know why AC replaced Rouge with regular AC @ SRQ?

During peak times, there is simply not enough Rouge to go around. This summer was unusual though, as a lot of Rouge A319s were removed from service during off season to have the Premium Rouge cabins revised/installed.

That is why you see Mainline AC on some Rouge routes like YYZ-SAN, YYZ-CZM, YYZ-SRQ etc. As AC does not like to run both mainline and Rouge on a route at the same time due to brand confusion, the replaced routes are usually once a day or less.
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