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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:26 pm

I wonder if passengers got the option to rebook through OSL/ARN/CPH to avoid the 738... Can't have been a pleasant experience!
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:32 pm

Any photos Americans!
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:05 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 6):

Kef is a detour. I've never went up there when flying to NYC, i've never tracked a flight from NYC go up there either.

Good thing we have an expert on T/A ETOPS commercial ops on airliners,net then
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:09 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):
I would love to be on that flight.

I would say you (and most on this website) are the minority. Aside from having less legroom, the 738 does not have personal IFE like the 787 does. To me, that makes a huge difference on a longhaul flight. And that doesn't even bring in the people who popped for Premium Economy.

It would be a big deal to me. Would I prefer to be left in London? Probably not...but I certainly wouldn't love it or be happy about it.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:12 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 53):

I'm the same, i'd just grin and bear it but obviously wouldn't be too pleased about it. It's only a six hour flight so it's not that bad.
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:50 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 54):
Quoting sw733 (Reply 53):


I'm the same, i'd just grin and bear it but obviously wouldn't be too pleased about it. It's only a six hour flight so it's not that bad.

What is only six hours? LGW-JFK would probably be closer to 8 hours if a 738 could do it nonstop. DY's scheduled 788 block time LGW-JFK is 8 hours and the 737 is slower. With the fuel stop at KEF the elapsed time is likely closer to 10 hours.

Just KEF-JFK alone on the 738 was 5:24. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...5/history/20150907/2124Z/BIKF/KJFK

Plus about 3 hours LGW-KEF and at least 45 minutes there. Passengers would likely have remained on board during the fuel stop. So that's over 9 hours gate to gate in mostly 29 inch pitch seats.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:00 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 55):
Just KEF-JFK alone on the 738 was 5:24.

Plus about 3 hours LGW-KEF and at least 45 minutes there. Passengers would likely have remained on board during the fuel stop. So that's over 9 hours gate to gate in mostly 29 inch pitch seats.

Yes, a big difference to YYT-DUB. Eastbound is around 4 hrs with on flight on Sept 8 at 3:46

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/W...6/history/20150909/0130Z/CYYT/EIDW

Westbound is in the range of 4:20 > 4:30.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:14 am

Quoting ghYHZ (Reply 56):

St Johns is a doddle. I could do that in Easyjet...

It's so close that basically any airline could do it without any concern for fuel stops.
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:34 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 57):

You regularly complain that narrow bodies should not be flown across the Atlantic and that you couldn't bear to be on one, yet you'd happily sit on an easyJet flight across the Atlantic?
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:44 am

Quoting Lapper (Reply 58):
You regularly complain that narrow bodies should not be flown across the Atlantic and that you couldn't bear to be on one, yet you'd happily sit on an easyJet flight across the Atlantic?

It almost feels like he just forgets what he writes about the day prior.

But let me guess, now we'll get a response saying that he was only referring to flights to NYC/JFK in the previous narrowbody threads.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:03 pm

Quoting Lapper (Reply 58):

So you regard a barely 4 hour flight as long??

St Johns is not a proper transatlantic flight, it's short as hell.
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:40 pm

Travel time for DY7018 (LN-DYV) from take off at LGW to touch down at JFK was 9 hours and 2 minutes. Exactly one of the hours was spent on the ground at KEF. In other words; DYV was 8 hours 2 minutes in the air during this crossing.

For Lesfalls and 32andBelow:
The flight crew and the B738 came from the Oslo base. All DY B738s at LGW flies under the NAI AOC and can not fly to the US.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:51 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 60):

The length of the sector has no bearing for me as to the cabin width or the number of aisles the aircraft has. My choice is based on seat pitch and comfort (travelling primarily in economy). I have taken narrow bodies across the Atlantic on numerous occasions without the need to take a walk around the aircraft or run up and down the aisles like a child. I tend to sit in my seat, watch a movie, look out of the window or take a walk to the lavatory. For me, the though of sitting on Ryanair, easyJet or in this case a Norwegian 737 would not float my boat due to the reduced pitch, not the number of aisles.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:08 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 60):
Quoting Lapper (Reply 58):


So you regard a barely 4 hour flight as long??

St Johns is not a proper transatlantic flight, it's short as hell.

WS westbound scheduled block time DUB-YYT is 5:01. It can of course vary with winds.

AC A319 nonstop LHR-YYT block time is 5:35.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:18 am

I flew on UA441 JFK-LAX on 8 of Sept. and caught a glimpse of the beauty. I was wondering why it's there but now I got the answer.  Smilehttp://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o116/foppishbum/IMG_20150908_061731.jpg

[Edited 2015-09-09 21:28:13]
TPE X LAX X NYC :airplane:
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:47 am

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 64):

Very nice. Thanx for this image  
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:51 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 50):
I wonder if passengers got the option to rebook through OSL/ARN/CPH to avoid the 738

Now that's hilarious.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:13 pm

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 64):

Thanks for the Great photo  .
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lesfalls
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:23 pm

Does anyone know if the aircraft returned to europe or if they will be using it on their U.S-Carribien routes?
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 68):
Does anyone know if the aircraft returned to europe or if they will be using it on their U.S-Carribien routes?

Those don't start until December. The aircraft headed back to Europe.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:23 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 69):
Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 68):
Does anyone know if the aircraft returned to europe or if they will be using it on their U.S-Carribien routes?

Those don't start until December. The aircraft headed back to Europe.

The aircraft operated JFK-EDI nonstop as DY7116 on September 8.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NAX7116
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:43 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 70):
The aircraft operated JFK-EDI nonstop as DY7116 on September 8.

I assume this was a ferry flight over with no pax since that is not a usual destination?
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:06 pm

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 71):

They(Norwegian short-haul) are not allowed to operate flights from the U.S with pax but EDI is served from OSL and i think CPH.
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:24 pm

What a dreadful experience to have to endure- I sincerly hope they were compensated. I for one would not accept that as an alternative. I hope they informed the pax about their right to 600EUR as EU261 comp.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:26 pm

A different kettle of 'fish' i think, but for GSM Flyglobespan this was the start of the end of them when lots of their long haul started to be substituted with 737s across the Atlantic, lots of delays, substitutions, poor press and reviews. This was however more associated with ageing unreliable long haul 757s and 767s rather than new 787s.
I seem to recall. 738 doing all sorts of stops from UK to SFB
Interesting times...
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 72):
They(Norwegian short-haul) are not allowed to operate flights from the U.S with pax but EDI is served from OSL and i think CPH.

You must really be misinformed in best case, but to me it seems more like pure guesswork. LN-DYV flew DY7016 with passengers from JFK-LGW with 56 minutes on the ground EDI to refuel for the last leg to Gatwick.
Flight times were as follows (all times are UTC)
First leg:
Actual Time of Departure JFK = 01:26 2015-09-09
Landing EDI = 07:55 2015-09-09
Second leg:
Actual Time of Departure EDI = 08:41 2015-09-09
Landing LGW = 09:48 2015-09-09

LN-DYV was ferried home to OSL (its base) after a bit over 4 hours on the ground at LGW. I guess new pilots were flown in from OSL on one earlier flights to pilot this ferry flight and the original crew was dead heading on this flight. LN-DYV flew the next day's morning flight to BCN (DY1740 dep 07:00 UTC from OSL).

All these times can be found here http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ln-dyv/ if you are quick (the aircraft lists usually contains the last week).

Norwegian Air Shuttle at OSL has roster of pilots with license to fly B738s with passengers to/from US airports (exactly for such cases as they just did with LN-DYC). Pilots from this roster are also flying the C flights over Washington state and newly delivered B738s home to OSL with at times passengers on board (Norwegian representatives and journalists). One can certainly say these are senior pilots and have flown a number of special missions, like the special flight to Japan after 3/11 or relief missions in cooperation with UNICEF.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:49 am

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 75):

Great information. Thank you!
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:55 am

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 73):
What a dreadful experience to have to endure- I sincerly hope they were compensated. I for one would not accept that as an alternative. I hope they informed the pax about their right to 600EUR as EU261 comp.

Eh? You pay to get from A to B, not to fly on a certain a/c type...
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:21 am

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 73):
What a dreadful experience to have to endure-

Could be worse - the DY7016 JFK - LGW was cancelled last night, was due to be on a HiFly A343 CS-TQZ.
This sort of service unreliability really isn't doing DY any favours if they intend on expanding transatlantic services out of LGW.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:28 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 78):
Could be worse - the DY7016 JFK - LGW was cancelled last night, was due to be on a HiFly A343 CS-TQZ.

Wow! What's going on?

Also, was the HiFly 343 ready to go in JFK, or did it operate the outbound to JFK from Gatwick earlier?
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:34 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 79):
did it operate the outbound to JFK from Gatwick earlier?

Yes, FR24 shows it went out as DY7015 LGW-JFK.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:49 am

They aren't entitled to compensation for flying on a 737. They may be entitled to it for arriving late at their destination.
Transatlantic flights originating in the EU and arriving in the US between 3 and 4 hours later than scheduled may entitle the passenger to €300 compensation, over 4 hours is €600. (Was this flight actually 4 hours late arriving - they may have got in just under that?). Arrival is calculated as the time the plane doors open.
There are exemptions for "extraordinary situations" - ATC restrictions, medical emergencies, weather, and so on. A succession of court decisions has defined these, and eliminated delays to previous flights by the same aircraft or crew from the exemptions list, along with unserviceability of aircraft,
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:08 am

Seems like Norwegian uses HiFly pretty regularly when the 787s have issues. I just looked on HiFly's website and they have tons of pictures of their 343s, all with different configs.

CS-TQZ has 3 cabins. How does DY distribute their passengers amongst the cabins? Does First Class remain empty and Premium Economy pax get to set in HiFly's Business? (Which seems to have the same 2x3x2 layout.)

Also, what is onboard service like? Still buy on board, but the IFE screens don't have credit cards wipers to pay for the items? And does HiFly offer their own IFE programs?

Sorry, many questions but I'm clueless on the subject. I've flown Norwegian across the Pond a few times now and can't imagine their onboard service mimicked on a different aircraft.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:08 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 77):

There would be compensation due for the late arrival into JFK, and to the passengers who were denied boarding. Obviously not however for the equipment change.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:20 am

LN-LNB has been on the ground at CPH for a week now. It seems like the Danes aren't as good as the Swedes and Norwegians with their spanners. November Bravo was in the engine test pit at CPH for one hour yesterday, but returned to the hangar after that. The B788 was scheduled to fly yesterday, but obviously failed the test(s) and HiFly had to step in.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:34 pm

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 82):
CS-TQZ has 3 cabins. How does DY distribute their passengers amongst the cabins? Does First Class remain empty and Premium Economy pax get to set in HiFly's Business? (Which seems to have the same 2x3x2 layout.)

They can change the cabin configuration into an all Y configuration (350Y). It's possible that the CS-TQZ is currently in that configuration as it did a few charters from MAD lately.

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 82):
Seems like Norwegian uses HiFly pretty regularly when the 787s have issues. I just looked on HiFly's website and they have tons of pictures of their 343s, all with different configs.

Not only DY, it's HiFly's speciality and made a lot of money from the 787 issues.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:27 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 74):

I also remember flyglobespan acquiring 763s and then having to sub-lease 763s from (IIRC) neos because they went and sub-leased out their own fleet and needed to cover their own services.
 
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 50):

I wonder if passengers got the option to rebook through OSL/ARN/CPH to avoid the 738... Can't have been a pleasant experience!

You are missing the whole point of flying is to get to your destination. How you get there is irrelevant. You pay for a ticket and you get transportation to the destination.


Quoting frostyj (Reply 60):
St Johns is not a proper transatlantic flight, it's short as hell.

How so? Is it not over the Atlantic Ocean? Are you not required to carry your passport? It is just as much a transatlantic flight as JFK-LHR is.
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RE: Norwegian Using B738 LGW-JFK Tonight!

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 77):
Eh? You pay to get from A to B, not to fly on a certain a/c type...

So if you get placed in economy class when you paid $5000 for your first class ticket, it's equally fine as you only paid to get from A to B?

However, since the plane arrived 1 hour delayed, I doubt any compensation was paid out.

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