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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:42 am

Welcome to the 165th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Threads. Link to part 164 New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 164 (by Zkpilot Aug 25 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:00 pm

The ABs flew out on a 77W last night (The Hobbit Plane). Richie looked very comfortable feet up in BP!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:55 am

According to airline route KE will use the 748I to AKL 3pw in Jan and daily in Feb. replacing 744, 77W in Nov and March. First 748 to AKL.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:09 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):


According to airline route KE will use the 748I to AKL 3pw in Jan and daily in Feb. replacing 744, 77W in Nov and March. First 748 to AKL.


Be nice to see at AKL
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:54 am

Did this escape everyone's attention?

http://notices.nzherald.co.nz/obitua...aspx?n=gordon-vette&pid=175470723&

For those not in the know, Gordon Vette was instrumental in informing (some would say manipulating)
Justice Mahon which led to his exoneration of the Erebus crew.

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Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:29 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 4):
For those not in the know, Gordon Vette was instrumental in informing (some would say manipulating)
Justice Mahon which led to his exoneration of the Erebus crew

I remember chatting with him in the PPT Duty Free back in DC10 days on the merits of various brands of single malts.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:29 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 4):

Did this escape everyone's attention?

http://notices.nzherald.co.nz/obitua...aspx?n=gordon-vette&pid=175470723&

For those not in the know, Gordon Vette was instrumental in informing (some would say manipulating)
Justice Mahon which led to his exoneration of the Erebus crew.

[Edited 2015-09-11 01:55:44]


That's putting it a bit harshly.

Interesting chap had a good chat to him about 15 years ago. RIP
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:46 pm

When will ZK-OXK enter service?

Speaking of stuff seen in the Herald, this caught my attention a couple of days ago:
http://i.imgur.com/EFAaWrr.jpg

My inner cynic says that it was paid advertising, but I guess it goes to show how infrequent airport users often have a vastly different experience (and expectations?) than those of us who use it regularly.   


ZK-NGP is now a freighter:



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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:40 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 7):
My inner cynic says that it was paid advertising, but I guess it goes to show how infrequent airport users often have a vastly different experience (and expectations?) than those of us who use it regularly

All the baggage is unloaded and delivered by Airline/Ground Handler not Airport Company. Likewise with Customs/MPI processing. The airport have no control over it whatsover. Surely any idiot knows that?? Apparently not 'Lynda' ..
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Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:09 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
Surely any idiot knows that?? Apparently not 'Lynda' ..

Why should she know?

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Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:43 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 7):
My inner cynic says that it was paid advertising, but I guess it goes to show how infrequent airport users often have a vastly different experience (and expectations?) than those of us who use it regularly.

I have been in queues for ages, and I also have been from gate to meet & greet in 8 minutes. It just depends on what time you arrive.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
Surely any idiot knows that??

A bit harsh, no? How would a "normal" person (i.e. non-aviation enthusiast or frequent flyer) know that?

Off to AIAL now...

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Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:26 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
All the baggage is unloaded and delivered by Airline/Ground Handler not Airport Company. Likewise with Customs/MPI processing. The airport have no control over it whatsover. Surely any idiot knows that?? Apparently not 'Lynda'

Yeah, pushing the needle on the judgemental-o-meter into the red zone a bit aerorobnz. Your lithium dose needs an upwards nudge. As does my own........  

It raises an interesting point though. An airport company can act with vision and integrity and put together a world class physical and operational infrastructure. Then, heavily unionised, non customer focused government bureaucracies are thrown into the mix which plays a big part in what the average traveler perceives overall as 'the airport'. It must be a source of constant frustration for the better airport companies.

MEL springs to mind. Okay it's not exactly SIN in terms of its physical environment, but it's an efficient modern setup, and it works. The customs staff however - particularly on the departure side - ruin the experience for me almost every time. Despite the airlines' attempts to run some sort of priority system, it is paid no heed within the customs hall. And regardless of how many pax are in line, if it's break time, staff disappear leaving only two staff to process a hall full of people. Attitude is generally ambivalent at best, rude & surly at worst. This has become for me, the one predictably bad aspect of my dealings with Australia & Australians, which I do on constant basis.

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Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:39 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 7):
ZK-NGP is now a freighter:

Who is the owner?

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 7):
My inner cynic says that it was paid advertising, but I guess it goes to show how infrequent airport users often have a vastly different experience (and expectations?) than those of us who use it regularly

Depends on the day and time. Guess she arrived mid morning or something as a rush hour arrival isn't easy going
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Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:56 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 11):
MEL springs to mind. Okay it's not exactly SIN in terms of its physical environment, but it's an efficient modern setup, and it works. The customs staff however - particularly on the departure side - ruin the experience for me almost every time. Despite the airlines' attempts to run some sort of priority system, it is paid no heed within the customs hall. And regardless of how many pax are in line, if it's break time, staff disappear leaving only two staff to process a hall full of people. Attitude is generally ambivalent at best, rude & surly at worst. This has become for me, the one predictably bad aspect of my dealings with Australia & Australians, which I do on constant basis.

MEL has huge overcrowding issues with the influx of Chinese services. Both departures and arrivals can be absolute nightmares throughout the day. I just had a 40 minute wait just to use e-gate on arrival. E-gate! And they haven't installed E-gate for departures yet. Likely never will I suspect.

Throw in that MEL's international terminal has nowhere to expand (though accordingly to locals they might assume the current main Virgin pier as that terminal is expanded), and it looks like MEL is in a bit of a hole. The QF terminal leaves a lot to be desired and at least half of it looks like it fell out of 1992. The best thing going for MEL is its connected terminals but interestingly that can cause all sorts of havoc with traffic jams. And amazingly, AKL has better public transport links than MEL, where it's treated as an awkward afterthought.

But yeah, I know the pain of departures. You have to get pretty aggro and pushy and charge ahead. If your flight is relatively soon you can always ask checkin for a priority pass and get rowdy in the queue to make sure you actually benefit from it. But it shouldn't come to that.
 
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Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:40 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 11):
And regardless of how many pax are in line, if it's break time, staff disappear leaving only two staff to process a hall full of people. Attitude is generally ambivalent at best, rude & surly at worst. This has become for me, the one predictably bad aspect of my dealings with Australia & Australians, which I do on constant basis.

Sums airport experiences up in Australia very well, seems like there's always one person actually processing passengers, two people sitting in the booths pretending to look busy but not actually processing anyone, and someone to watch over the whole operation. None of whom give off any indication that they'd like to be there at all. It is a shame, because there is some really good infrastructure in Australia airport-wise, but the security and customs staff let the whole thing down most of the time. I wonder if the new amalgamated border force will help things out over there.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:00 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 7):
ZK-NGP is now a freighter:

Who is the owner?

Word is that it'll be operated by Texel Air (new-ish Bahraini cargo operator).
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:39 am

So the 737 will be in Tauranga on Thursday (17 Sep) for public viewing 10-2. Does anyone know what time it's actually meant to land? I wouldn't mind taking a photo of it!
 
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Quoting rendezvous (Reply 16):

Where can you find out the dates/times?
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 17):
Where can you find out the dates/times?
http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/20...-air-new-zealand-retires-last.html

Between the 8th and 9th photo.
NPE-TRG arr. 1600 Wed 16 Sep. TRG-AKL arr. 1600 Thu 17 Sep. AKL-CHC 1000/1120 Mon 21 Sep.

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Quoting gasman (Reply 11):
Yeah, pushing the needle on the judgemental-o-meter into the red zone a bit aerorobnz. Your lithium dose needs an upwards nudge. As does my own.

It's the kind of basic airport information I have known since I was a child using 2 small globes in the front of my head they call eyes. Call me a little judgemental of stupidity yes, but honestly is it that complex an observation when the insignia is emblazened on all Ground services equipment, all fluro vests, every ID in the airport???
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 19):
It's the kind of basic airport information I have known since I was a child using 2 small globes in the front of my head they call eyes. Call me a little judgemental of stupidity yes, but honestly is it that complex an observation when the insignia is emblazened on all Ground services equipment, all fluro vests, every ID in the airport???

For us, no. For the rest of civilisation (we'll call them "losers", for want to a better word), yes.  
 
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Quoting PA515 (Reply 18):
Between the 8th and 9th photo.
NPE-TRG arr. 1600 Wed 16 Sep. TRG-AKL arr. 1600 Thu 17 Sep. AKL-CHC 1000/1120 Mon 21 Sep.

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Quoting gasman (Reply 20):
For us, no.

Who's "us"?

I have zero interest in who gets my bags get from the aircraft to me.

Quoting gasman (Reply 20):
we'll call them "losers", for want to a better word

Losers? Otherwise known as sources of revenue?  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:38 am

I had someone get into a discussion with me the other day and was quite convinced she was flying "Airbus Airlines" 380 to Sydney or something.

I tried to convince her it would be an Emirates A380, but she was insistent that it was "Airbus Airlines"

She then tried to tell me off because she always travels "Air Singapore" usually, and her travel agent specifically mentioned she was on "Airbus Airlines" "which is the biggest airline in the world" this trip.

I wonder how these people even find the damn airport.

So, no, I would not expect her to know that ground handling may not be done by the airport themselves.

Note: If anyone sees the crazy old bat asking for Airbus Airlines at the info desk, good luck convincing her otherwise.

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Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:20 am

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I wonder how these people even find the damn airport.

Maybe she'll end up looking to A320 at the Domesitc Terminal  
 
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Quoting 77west (Reply 23):

Heard from a friend who works in customer service at Air New Zealand, about a woman who called the airline asking if they could fly a "Jumbo 747" from Auckland to Tauranga for just the date she wanted to fly it because she "doesn't like small propeller planes and would feel much safer in a bigger plane". I wonder how safe she'd feel when trying to land a 747 on the TRG runway... It is very easy to forget that some people haven't a clue about how this industry works, and have no interest in learning either.
 
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Quoting keen2fly (Reply 25):
It is very easy to forget that some people haven't a clue about how this industry works, and have no interest in learning either

Anything with props = "Friendship"
A320/B737 = "Boeing"
Anything larger = "Jumbo".
 
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Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:17 pm

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 10):
I have been in queues for ages, and I also have been from gate to meet & greet in 8 minutes. It just depends on what time you arrive.

8 minutes! Impressive indeed. Not sure what my record is, but it wouldn't be anywhere near that close for international arrivals.

Quoting gasman (Reply 11):
It must be a source of constant frustration for the better airport companies.

Indeed, though in this case we're not talking about a particularly good one.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
Guess she arrived mid morning or something as a rush hour arrival isn't easy going

Yeah and I'm going to go out on a limb and assume Lynda flies internationally no more than once every four years or so.  
Quoting SXI899 (Reply 15):
Word is that it'll be operated by Texel Air (new-ish Bahraini cargo operator).

I've heard that it would be GCC based, so that makes sense.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 18):
TRG-AKL arr. 1600 Thu 17 Sep. AKL-CHC 1000/1120 Mon 21 Sep.

Is the aircraft going to be open to the public when it's on display in Auckland? If it is, I'd quite like to go down say a final, final good-bye on Sunday.

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"Airbus Airlines" 380

Maybe this kind of Airbus 380?   
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Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:20 pm

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 25):
It is very easy to forget that some people haven't a clue about how this industry works, and have no interest in learning either.

Could say the NZ Herald falls into this category too. They constantly show obsolete stock pics. They often have pics of the wrong aircraft type or wrong airline. Gotta say that Grant Bradley seems to be doing a reasonable job these days... Go back a few years and they couldn't get anything right!
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Quoting PA515 (Reply 18):

Quoting 777ER (Reply 17):
Where can you find out the dates/times?
http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/20...-air-new-zealand-retires-last.html

Between the 8th and 9th photo.
NPE-TRG arr. 1600 Wed 16 Sep. TRG-AKL arr. 1600 Thu 17 Sep. AKL-CHC 1000/1120 Mon 21 Sep.

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Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:00 am

Just curious as a non-kiwi would EK nonstop to AKL on the 77L be economically feasible? How about with future 777 models?
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:32 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 30):
Just curious as a non-kiwi would EK nonstop to AKL on the 77L be economically feasible? How about with future 777 models?

Unlikely in the near/medium term, longer term probably. EK has 3 x DAILY A380s DXB-1 STOP-AKL which carry a fair bit of 5th freedom traffic between Australia & NZ and they can't pull out of that market without Australian government approval, which they won't get while they have a JV with EK. So unless that changes it seems unlikely.

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Quoting gemuser (Reply 31):
EK has 3 x DAILY A380s DXB-1 STOP-AKL which carry a fair bit of 5th freedom traffic between Australia & NZ and they can't pull out of that market without Australian government approval

Technically they could, but the Qantas group would have to match the capacity.

The deal was that EK/QF in alliance had to Mauritian the current seats per week, they could increase, but not decrease.
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:07 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 30):

Yes it would be possible as the 777LR is well suited to the length of the route. EK could make an attempt at the route by itself without impacting their current EK/QF Tasman partnership.
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:18 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 33):
Yes it would be possible as the 777LR is well suited to the length of the route. EK could make an attempt at the route by itself without impacting their current EK/QF Tasman partnership.

Has always seemed to me to be such a no-brainer - the aircraft would seemingly be perfect for the route, both in range and capacity. They could downscale capacity between Australia and DXB to compensate.......

This has always been the slight downside of long haul travel on EK - the Trans Tasman hop. You don't *really* want to be starting a flight to Europe with a three hour leg, the timing of which means you don't get out of Australia until approaching midnight NZ time.
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 34):

I'm not sure EK would reduce OZ-DXB to cater for an AKL-DXB service, I think they probably have other places to send their aircraft at the moment, they already have 3 daily AKL services. But I agree that we will see AKL-DXB one day.
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:06 am

Was reading the thread A321neo Doors Configuration and wondered what Air NZ will do.

Reply 1 has this link which explains the new fuselage doors configuration http://leehamnews.com/2015/01/18/a32...onfigurations-and--a320-production

According to this article the first A321NEO 'ACF' (Airbus Cabin-Flex) fuselage will be assembled in 'mid 2018' and this will be the standard configuration. The four door configuration can still be ordered.

Air NZ has six A320NEO's/A321NEO's for delivery between Aug 2017 and Jun 2018. If they prefer the ACF fuselage they should be able to swap the two or three A321NEO's due in FY2018 with A320NEO's due in FY2019, but that means delaying introduction of the A321NEO by a year. Could be a reason for keeping some 763's until late 2018 (FY2019).

Will be interesting to see what happens in the next 12 months.

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"Air NZ unveils new sustainability plan"

Air New Zealand has launched a swathe of new projects and goals as part of its new "sustainability framework" aimed at being economic, environmental and social.

Chief executive Christopher Luxon unveiled the company's plans which included several significant milestones, at a breakfast event attended by several hundred business leaders and managers in Auckland this morning.

Under the new plan, Air New Zealand will be implementing a supplier code of conduct to ensure its suppliers are committed to similar social and environmental goals, as well as using ethically sourced materials.

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Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:21 pm

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"Air NZ unveils new sustainability plan"

More sanctimonious bollocks from NZ.

And did you know they were once winners of the Skytrax "Airline of the Year" award?
 
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Quoting gasman (Reply 38):
And did you know they were once winners of the Skytrax "Airline of the Year" award?

No I missed that message from the cabin crew telling me in the last month because I was flying EK/QF/ET/A3/SK/QR/LA in the past month...
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:24 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 35):
Quoting gasman (Reply 34):
I'm not sure EK would reduce OZ-DXB to cater for an AKL-DXB service, I think they probably have other places to send their aircraft at the moment, they already have 3 daily AKL services. But I agree that we will see AKL-DXB one day.

Who says a 772LR would need a DXB-AKL sector to enable an AKL-LAX sector? There are certainly plenty of options for EK to enable the right aircraft to get to AKL
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:05 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 37):
"Air NZ unveils new sustainability plan"

Air New Zealand has launched a swathe of new projects and goals as part of its new "sustainability framework" aimed at being economic, environmental and social.

  

All part of being a good citizen.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:20 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 38):
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 37):
"Air NZ unveils new sustainability plan"

More sanctimonious bollocks from NZ.

Sorry, but I don't understand your upset over this. What's "sanctimonious bollocks" about aspiring to carbon neutrality, or being socially and environmentally progressive? I'd have thought that most of Air NZ's customers would think that a socially and environmentally progressive national carrier was a good thing and a source of pride. And as Luxon said on TV a few days ago, it's good business as well.

I'd far rather have an airline that was pursuing these kinds of initiatives than one that didn't give a damn and was happy to take the lead in trashing the planet. What's your beef?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:25 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 35):

Quoting gasman (Reply 34):

I'm not sure EK would reduce OZ-DXB to cater for an AKL-DXB service, I think they probably have other places to send their aircraft at the moment, they already have 3 daily AKL services. But I agree that we will see AKL-DXB one day.

NZ's distance from DXB (and much of the world unfortunately) means that EK is in a tough position compared to the Southeast Asian carriers. Could we see CX start CHC on the A350? How is SQ doing at CHC?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:48 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 43):
Could we see CX start CHC on the A350? How is SQ doing at CHC?

Both CX/SQ are in an joint venture with NZ, so do pretty with local feed etc.

This summer peak SQ is 10 weekly in CHC with an 772 and Daily into AKL with an A380. With NZ operating AKL-SIN Daily with an 789.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:06 pm

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/35...3/new-airline-sends-its-jobs-north

Interesting article in the ODT today, essentially KRA has asked Dunedin enterprise for $12,000 to fund a storage container. According to Ewan, conducting maintenance at DUD would make more sense and bring four full time jobs to the city. Dunedin enterprise has said no "we don't give handouts to any business". Without the funding KRA will conduct maintenance in AKL.

While Dunedin enterprise claims that they all want Ewan and KRA to succeed, it seems they deem such an investment risky, (probably fair enough). Thoughts?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:05 am

Quoting Sylus (Reply 45):

It would make sense if the main operational base is in DUD for there to be maintenance done there too. As KRA is looking rather thinly stretched with the head office in HLZ, main operational base in DUD and (looking likely) that maintenance will be conducted in AKL. Seems a bit geographically muddled for such a small start-up.

Given Ewan's past, I wouldn't be keen to invest a cent with him. Dunedin enterprise has probably come to the same conclusion, which is probably for the best really.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:26 am

Quoting Sylus (Reply 45):
Interesting article in the ODT today, essentially KRA has asked Dunedin enterprise for $12,000 to fund a storage container. According to Ewan, conducting maintenance at DUD would make more sense and bring four full time jobs to the city. Dunedin enterprise has said no "we don't give handouts to any business". Without the funding KRA will conduct maintenance in AKL.

Surely if they can't afford $12,000 towards an shipping container, how are they going to afford to operate?

Anyway how is there already busy single Saab going to make up to Auckland?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:29 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 42):
I'd far rather have an airline that was pursuing these kinds of initiatives than one that didn't give a damn and was happy to take the lead in trashing the planet. What's your beef?

I'm sure you're right.

But to me it smacks of tokenism, sanctimony, and self promotion. And I'm cynical enough to believe that whether or not NZ supports a company that plants a tree somewhere, it will not make a jot of difference to the planet in the long run - particularly given the amount of CO2 released by the oceans absolutely dwarfs everything else.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:32 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 48):
And I'm cynical enough to believe that whether or not NZ supports a company that plants a tree somewhere, it will not make a jot of difference to the planet in the long run - particularly given the amount of CO2 released by the oceans absolutely dwarfs everything else.

So - we don't even try?

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