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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:20 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 48):
But to me it smacks of tokenism, sanctimony, and self promotion. And I'm cynical enough to believe that whether or not NZ supports a company that plants a tree somewhere, it will not make a jot of difference to the planet in the long run - particularly given the amount of CO2 released by the oceans absolutely dwarfs everything else.

So how should a company that wants to be environmentally and socially progressive act? What should Luxon do to pursue what he believes is a market niche for an airline which is progressive in these areas?

Without, of course, being sanctimonious tokenistic or self-promoting?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:23 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 40):

No one mentioned AKL-LAX, we were talking about AKL- DXB non stop I thought. I for one am not a fan of EK flying AKL-US, leave that to NZ, and the U.S. Carriers or QF if they wish to fly it. But yes EK have a few options to fly US-AKL without a 77L DXB-AKL.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 43):

Yes EK are a bit disadvantaged compared to SQ but tough really. SQ seem to do ok ex CHC load wise anyway, I'm not sure on yield but they run daily year round with extra flights in NZ summer. I've heard talk of CX to CHC for years I think as part of the NZ deal they should have to offer it personally NZ or CX as this alliance seems anti competitive almost.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:00 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 51):
Yes EK are a bit disadvantaged compared to SQ but tough really. SQ seem to do ok ex CHC load wise anyway, I'm not sure on yield but they run daily year round with extra flights in NZ summer. I've heard talk of CX to CHC for years I think as part of the NZ deal they should have to offer it personally NZ or CX as this alliance seems anti competitive almost.

I agree re the CX/NZ alliance, there should've been more conditions imposed as part of the approval. I'm sure between the two airlines they could fill an A350 3pw, certainly the belly would be full of freight heading to China. I know CIAL is actively pursuing CX, unfortunately CX is a very conservative company and tends not to gamble on routes which are marginal. They would be able to cater to a variety of different markets to CHC, their European network is growing and of course the China and Japan markets are well covered. You never know, in a couple of years after CX has received all their A359's CHC might be an option they consider. The A359 will be perfectly configured for CHC with a smallish J cabin and ample freight capacity.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:24 am

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 52):

38J on the A359 compared to 26 on the 343 AKL currently gets though AKL has had 744s and this summer 77Ws 3 class. I agree though CX could offer CHC quite a bit, though CHC is doing quite well of late! And a 359 would probably be the best suited aircraft CX have. CX have been quite aggresive of late in expansion.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:26 am

Anyone know how many hours/cycles on ZK-NGI or ZK-NGJ's clock?

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 28):
They constantly show obsolete stock pics.

Mhm, pretty clear that noone got the memo that the 747s have been retired. Not sure if it was the Herald, but I saw a stock photo of a 767-200 not so long ago.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 39):
No I missed that message from the cabin crew telling me in the last month because I was flying EK/QF/ET/A3/SK/QR/LA in the past month...

How did you find the A350 (as compared to QR's 787s, NZ's 787 and various A380s)?

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 37):

"Air NZ unveils new sustainability plan"

Air New Zealand has launched a swathe of new projects and goals as part of its new "sustainability framework" aimed at being economic, environmental and social.

Remember how they were going to use Jatropha as a fixed %age of fuel for some long haul flights? What happened to that or was it, as i suspect, just greenwash to get a few segments of good PR?

Quoting mariner (Reply 41):
All part of being a good citizen.

   If everyone does their bit then that makes the planet a better place.

Quoting mariner (Reply 49):
So - we don't even try?

We (all) certainly should.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:27 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 50):
So how should a company that wants to be environmentally and socially progressive act? What should Luxon do to pursue what he believes is a market niche for an airline which is progressive in these areas?

In a word, nothing.

Unless he decides to stop burning Jet-A. Otherwise, to me it just reeks of humbug.

Let's just wait and see what *actually* gets done in a tangible sense and what benefits are conferred upon the environment.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:55 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 53):

I had 28J in my head but you're right, 38 it is! Not quite ideal for CHC, I doubt they could fill that cabin regularly.

The other option is for NZ to operate a 787 with its smaller J and larger Y cabin.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:05 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 55):
Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 50):
So how should a company that wants to be environmentally and socially progressive act? What should Luxon do to pursue what he believes is a market niche for an airline which is progressive in these areas?

In a word, nothing.

Nothing? Even if the airline believes it's good for business? Yeah, well that's where you and I definitely part company.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:51 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 57):
Nothing? Even if the airline believes it's good for business? Yeah, well that's where you and I definitely part company.

Well, it could be good for business; there's bound to be a few people out there that are mesmerised by the carbon credits, biodegradable lavatory paper etc. But if "good for business" is the goal - I prefer to stay old school, and focus on things like seat and cabin comfort, food, service, route network, value for money etc. Put it this way, they're the things that would persuade me to return my loyalty to NZ.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:35 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 35):
I'm not sure EK would reduce OZ-DXB to cater for an AKL-DXB service, I think they probably have other places to send their aircraft at the moment, they already have 3 daily AKL services. But I agree that we will see AKL-DXB one day.

If not EK...any chance EY would be interested in beating EK to it by offering a non stop flight to the UAE and beyond flying AUH-AKL?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:50 am

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 59):
If not EK...any chance EY would be interested in beating EK to it by offering a non stop flight to the UAE and beyond flying AUH-AKL?

But if the route was viable........... wouldn't you have thought NZ would have bought themselves a 772-LR to operate the route themselves, with onwards codeshare connections with EY?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:53 am

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 59):
If not EK...any chance EY would be interested in beating EK to it by offering a non stop flight to the UAE and beyond flying AUH-AKL?

I'm not sure TBH if EY have considered AKL. They don't have many ULH aircraft 5 77Ls and 4 345 are the 345s leaving the fleet? Probably to far for a 789?! Maybe they would consider via BKK/SIN/KUL?

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 56):
I had 28J in my head but you're right, 38 it is! Not quite ideal for CHC, I doubt they could fill that cabin regularly.

The other option is for NZ to operate a 787 with its smaller J and larger Y cabin.

I can't see NZ doing it or anything long haul ex CHC for a while, the A359 is pretty efficient so CX may give it a go, I agree the J cabin is a bit large.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:09 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 60):

But if the route was viable........... wouldn't you have thought NZ would have bought themselves a 772-LR to operate the route themselves, with onwards codeshare connections with EY?

Personally no, to far for them to bother getting a small sub fleet, sure there are a few other routes they could use a 77L on but they decided against it, might have been interesting to see what they would have done if they had bought 77Ls rather than 77Es though.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:46 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 61):

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 59):
If not EK...any chance EY would be interested in beating EK to it by offering a non stop flight to the UAE and beyond flying AUH-AKL?

I'm not sure TBH if EY have considered AKL. They don't have many ULH aircraft 5 77Ls and 4 345 are the 345s leaving the fleet? Probably to far for a 789?! Maybe they would consider via BKK/SIN/KUL?

789 struggles with AUH-BNE flights, no way they could manage AUH-AKL direct.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:07 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 58):
Well, it could be good for business; there's bound to be a few people out there that are mesmerised by the carbon credits, biodegradable lavatory paper etc. But if "good for business" is the goal - I prefer to stay old school, and focus on things like seat and cabin comfort, food, service, route network, value for money etc. Put it this way, they're the things that would persuade me to return my loyalty to NZ.

They're not mutually exclusive . . .
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:20 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 63):
789 struggles with AUH-BNE flights, no way they could manage AUH-AKL direct.

UA doesn't seem to have trouble with MEL-LAX at ~ 15.5 hrs. Why would EY have trouble on BNE-AUH at ~ 13.5hrs?
Now AKL-AUH would be about 17 hrs. 15 min . I don't doubt that one day the 789 will do it as the weight continues to drop and the SFC improves. It needs about 1t of weight saving and a 2% improvement in SFC from the EIS value for this to happen.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:46 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 51):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 40):No one mentioned AKL-LAX, we were talking about AKL- DXB non stop I thought.

DolphinAir didn't state which route, so since he is from the USA, I assumed he was talking about USA services as EK have previously expressed interest in operating on that route.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:10 pm

Anyone know if there is going to be an public time in Auckland for the 737 Final Call Tour?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:34 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 67):

Moreover, does anyone know the schedule of the 733 flights?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:17 pm

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 52):
unfortunately CX is a very conservative company and tends not to gamble on routes which are marginal.

That was true three years ago. Now CX is gambling on new routes like there's no tomorrow.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 66):

I meant DXB AKL nonstop but thanks for catching the ambiguity.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:42 am

NGJ has departed CHC this morning. Off to Singapore for maintenance, and then to its new owner on the West Island.  
As for the future of the NGI, I've heard that it's going to get cut up
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:35 am

Last pics of an NZ 733 in AKL are up on http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:16 am

LAN began sending 787-9s today. CC-BGA was the first one (the same aircraft visited on August 20th). CC-BGB is enroute now.

SevenSharp did this piece on the 737 retirement. They mentioned over 38,000 flights (cycles). Anyone here got a more precise breakdown of hours/cycles?
http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/goodby...l-i-m-going-miss-her-video-6391923

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 70):
then to its new owner on the West Island.

Would be a little ironic if it ended up in the Qantas Freight fleet.  
Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
Who is the owner?
Quoting SXI899 (Reply 15):
Word is that it'll be operated by Texel Air (new-ish Bahraini cargo operator).
Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 27):
I've heard that it would be GCC based, so that makes sense.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:23 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 54):
How did you find the A350 (as compared to QR's 787s, NZ's 787 and various A380s)?

A350 is comfy enough. Generic twin with little in identification or character from inside but definitely superior to a 787-8 in 9 abreast, however the 333 was better seat. One of the two flights was changed to a QR 77W which I found equal most comfortable of the widebodies I flew alongside the EK A380.. One thing is definite. The older and thicker seats and original design parameters are more comfortable than the new ones. Fancy IFE aside Y class is losing the battle against airlines cost cutting. seat comfort and space.

Just a quick comparison of this trip
EK A380/ QR/NZ/TK 777 9 abreast/ NH 788 8 abreast (for context)
QF 744 width is great, pitch is at tight end but ok comfortwise because of seat design
QF 333 (2-4-2 always wins config wise and seat design good )
QR A350 (flash PTV but generic hybrid between A380 and A330 in comfort)
NZ 763 (for context)
NZ 77W (for context)
ET 788 (seatbase softer and better than park bench on 789 - managed to last 15h NRT-HKG-AKL). Narrow seat
ET 763 (seat pitch not great)
NZ 789 (for context) (park bench skycouch makes your bum go numb after SYD-AKL kind of distance)
QF/SK 738 (Missed out on last LA 788 to AKL due QF delay from SIN). seat pitch was tight but seat comfy.

It should be noted each flight on widebody this trip had noone sat next to me if not free row) so that affects perspective. QF wins for most genuine and relaxed crew. NZ catching in this regard on evidence of 6 longhauls on NZ this year. QR is unpolished and has a rubbish lounge in DOH and EK inconsistent but generous. ET is unpolished and inconstent but they get pass marks.too.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:39 pm

well gets this group back to the top again.

"China Southern Extends Christchurch Service to Year-Round in NS16"

China Southern Airlines has updated planned Northern summer 2016 schedule for Guangzhou – Christchurch route, which becomes a year-round service. From 27MAR16,

http://airlineroute.net/2015/09/23/cz-chc-s16/

"Air New Zealand to open new Auckland flagship lounge next week"

Air New Zealand will open its all-new Auckland business class Koru Lounge on Tuesday September 29 – and as the Kiwi carrier's flagship lounge, it's shaping up to be very impressive.


Australian Business Traveller will be darting across the pond on Friday for a preview of the all-new Air New Zealand Star Alliance lounge, and here's some of what we're looking forward to.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zeal...auckland-flagship-lounge-next-week
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 74):
Air New Zealand will open its all-new Auckland business class Koru Lounge on Tuesday September 29 – and as the Kiwi carrier's flagship lounge, it's shaping up to be very impressive.

it's nice with some nice features, but it needs to be. QF is also due a refit at AKL, and if it is anything like their new lounge in SIN it will be great. The EK lounge in AKL is already of a good standard too.

Even the current lounge is better than the QR Gold lounge in DOH.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:54 pm

Is there a 77E being refurbished at this time and is it -OKF ? I have lost count, which regs. are left to do.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:11 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 76):

OKF is in the hangar now getting the upgrade. OKD will follow in the first week of October, so from then all 77E flights will be upgraded aircraft.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:36 pm

1900D ZK-EAQ (c/n UE-363) is now 8R-GAQ with Trans Guyana Airways.

It went HLZ-NOU-HIR on 16 July and arrived OGL (Georgetown, Ogle International Airport) on 23 Jul 2015. Judging by the direction it took I am guessing via Japan and Alaska. The Guyana Chronicle says it cost USD4M.

http://guyanachronicle.com/trans-guy...troduce-state-of-the-art-airliner/

http://guyanachronicle.com/at-commissi...ene-f-correia-international-airport

http://www.facebook.com/TransGuyanaAirways

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:56 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 78):
1900D ZK-EAQ (c/n UE-363) is now 8R-GAQ with Trans Guyana Airways.

Looks like they removed the bathroom? Funny to see one airline call them rubbish, then another call then state of the ark!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 79):
Looks like they removed the bathroom? Funny to see one airline call them rubbish, then another call then state of the ark!

ZK-EAQ was ex N845CA with Commutair and their 1900D's didn't have the 'lavatory' option. I understood Eagle Air were going to install one before it went into service, but it looks like they didn't.

ZK-EAR was ex N846CA with Commutair, then ex JA018A with Air Transee. This one may have had a 'lavatory' installed by Air Transee.

Anyway Trans Guyana Airways seem pleased with EAQ, perhaps they will take another one next year.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:28 am

More on the new lounge here: http://www.ausbt.com.au/photo-tour-a...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Same designers as the SYD and LAX lounges. Looks great. And it takes up the whole old observation deck area unfortunately.. Good for those frequent flyers but not good for anyone else!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:56 pm

Looks like ZK-OXB (NZ542) nearly got hit by a UAV on Friday night.  Sadhttp://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/invest...-aircraft-2015092615#axzz3mqtt14NK

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 73):

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:24 am

[quote=NZ107,reply=81]More on the new lounge here: http://www.ausbt.com.au/photo-tour-a...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Same designers as the SYD and LAX lounges. Looks great. And it takes up the whole old observation deck area unfortunately.. Good for those frequent flyers but not good for anyone else!


How much does a pass cost to get into it ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:37 am

According to Flight radar -NZC will fly the first of the two 789 NZ3/4 rotations today.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:11 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 83):
How much does a pass cost to get into it ?

Approximately $50NZD for an walk up, but they have taken any mention of it off this page http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/international-lounge-information
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:19 am

In reply to zkncj the Air New Zealand lounges no longer take 'walk-up' customers in their lounges. The airline has decided that their Gold Elite, Gold and Koru customers come first and therefore customer space in the lounges for their high value customers cannot be compromised.
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:27 am

Quoting Jetstar315 (Reply 86):
In reply to zkncj the Air New Zealand lounges no longer take 'walk-up' customers in their lounges. The airline has decided that their Gold Elite, Gold and Koru customers come first and therefore customer space in the lounges for their high value customers cannot be compromised.

Finally took them an while to work that one out, hopefully it will help the lounges to become less of an 'human zoo'
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:00 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 87):
Finally took them an while to work that one out, hopefully it will help the lounges to become less of an 'human zoo'

Are there lounges operated by others as commercial enterprises?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:05 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 88):
Are there lounges operated by others as commercial enterprises?

Airport Company runs the Emperor lounge pay per use.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:06 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 88):
Are there lounges operated by others as commercial enterprises?

Yes, there is the 'Emperor Lounge' at AKL. $49 online rate and the walk-up rate is $55. Food, wifi, showers etc. at no extra cost from the initial fee. To be honest I don't think it's really worth it, I use the Koru lounge when travelling with family but am more than happy to forego a lounge when travelling alone.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:26 pm

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 90):
Yes, there is the 'Emperor Lounge' at AKL. $49 online rate and the walk-up rate is $55.

Why they chose to name it as if it were a gay sauna, is somewhat beyond me.

Lounge access for me, having coveted it for the last fifteen years, is now far less relevant than it once was. I now pretty much avoid all alcohol when traveling, so that aspect of fun has gone. The catering in lounges across the board has nosedived in the last ten years - not just NZ, even SQ hasn't been immune.

Conversely, general terminal comfort has definitely improved over the same time period. For the price of a cup of coffee in a terminal, you can often find more peace and privacy (with wifi as well) than can be found in the lounges.

The enduring contribution of lounges will, I believe, be for the transiting passenger. The ability to stagger off an aircraft, aim for one known location, get one's togs off and have a shower before the next long haul flight can be a lifesaver.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:41 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 91):
Why they chose to name it as if it were a gay sauna, is somewhat beyond me.

I'd never have made that association.  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:48 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 92):
Quoting gasman (Reply 91):
Why they chose to name it as if it were a gay sauna, is somewhat beyond me.

I'd never have made that association.

 

Quite sure the guy on the front desk was wearing a gladiator costume the other day.............. or maybe I fantasised that.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:26 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 91):
The enduring contribution of lounges will, I believe, be for the transiting passenger. The ability to stagger off an aircraft, aim for one known location, get one's togs off and have a shower before the next long haul flight can be a lifesaver.

For me it greatly depends on the airport, if traveling through SIN or HKG I always spend as much time as I can exploring and marvelling at the airport itself, I could quite happily spend an entire day inside those airports without wanting a lounge. However, I've never used TBIT but last time I transited LAX the lounge was more appreciated than ever
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:24 pm

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 94):
For me it greatly depends on the airport, if traveling through SIN or HKG I always spend as much time as I can exploring and marvelling at the airport itself, I could quite happily spend an entire day inside those airports without wanting a lounge.

With respect to SIN, I agree with you (although i did manage to spend many hours in the SQ F lounge when I had the privilege a few years back  ) HKG......... not so sure....... I found the shopping a major disappointment when I was there in June.

Anyone been through the new AKL lounge yet? Talked to some NZ staff, they're pretty proud of it and excited by it. Seating is 10 abreast apparently, with sofa width just 2 inches narrower than the old lounge. Market research has determined no-one will notice the difference.  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:40 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 95):
Market research has determined no-one will notice the difference.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:19 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 90):
To be honest I don't think it's really worth it, I use the Koru lounge when travelling with family but am more than happy to forego a lounge when travelling alone.

My wife and I will be going out on NZ24 in Y but will have driven from Taumarunui . We might need a quiet spot for a break!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:40 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 95):
Anyone been through the new AKL lounge yet?

I will have a look at it on Thursday going to SYD for biz and then with the wife next Thursday on our Hawaii holiday so that visit will be more relaxed. The SYD lounge is a great set up so I expect AKL will (at long last) be up to international standard
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 165

Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:15 am

Sounds Air have announced the start of flights between Blenheim and Napier on 5 November:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/bett...wine-flights-on-track-for-november

"Wine flights on track for November

A Marlborough airline is making it easier for winemakers and tourists to travel between the two largest wine producing regions in the country.

Blenheim company Sounds Air will start flying between Blenheim and Napier from November 5.

The new Sounds Air service, which would operate four times a week, reduced the flight time to 55 minutes, with passengers paying $249 each way.

Sounds Air originally planned to start the service in August but were delayed because of a lack of aircraft.

A nine-seater Pilatus PC12 had been found to fly the route."


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