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UA Unveils New Premium Seat For Narrowbody Fleet

Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:29 pm

http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c...3680&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2087005

Looks like they're finally standardizing the product after testing many different variants.

"United Airlines Unveils New Premium Seat for 200+ Narrowbody Aircraft

Features include a tablet holder built into the tray table and an articulating seat cushion for improved comfort
CHICAGO, Sept. 10, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines is introducing a new, comfortable, custom-designed seat for first-class cabins on more than 200 of the company's narrowbody aircraft. The seat will debut on an Airbus A319 next week, with retrofits on A319s, A320s and many Boeing 737s and 757s through 2016.

Developed with input from customers whom the airline invited to test seat prototypes, the custom seat United and design firm PriestmanGoode have created features several elements to improve the customer experience, including:

All-leather seat covers in signature navy and champagne colors;
A patented-design tray table with tablet holder, enabling travelers to enjoy food and beverages while using their personal electronic devices;
An articulating seat bottom for greater comfort when reclining and an adjustable headrest;
In-seat universal A/C power outlets for customers to charge their devices;
Additional in-seat storage, including two seatback pockets and side stowage for laptops and tablets;
Dedicated beverage holders; and
Granite cocktail tables."

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Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:32 pm

somehow I see a lot of elements copied over from the new AA A321 (non-T) domestic F seat

the tablet holder is a nice touch (remind me of the good ole' days of TV dinners)
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:34 pm

A319 ship 4008 features the new F seat.
In addition United continues to test different galley and carpeting materials which are also installed on 4008.
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:47 pm

Is it just me or does the aisle look extremely narrow?

If you're going to make the seats wider, I guess something has to give, and I'd rather have a wider seat than a wider aisle given that I would be in the seat much longer. But I can't imagine boarding will be a pleasant experience.
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RE: UA Unveils New Premium Seat For Narrowbody Fleet

Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:51 pm

Well, there goes the DirecTV...
 
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RE: UA Unveils New Premium Seat For Narrowbody Fleet

Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:06 pm

No inflight entertainment?? Seriously??

Do they have a foot rest?

I can see focus groups voting for no footrest and no IFE... Not.
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:07 pm

 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:07 pm

I am surprised with the use of granite as a cocktail table surface after years of removing olives to reduce weight.
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:10 pm

Quoting ORD Boy 2 (Reply 4):
Well, there goes the DirecTV.

Given we've heard dozens of times on this board that some aircraft are contractually obligated to continue having DirecTV, I imagine there's a DTV version of the seat for those aircraft and a non-DTV version for the rest. Maintaining the status quo.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:16 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
No inflight entertainment?? Seriously??

The A319/320 fleet, the Hawaii 777s and all 744s offer streaming content.

http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...personal-device-entertainment.aspx

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Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:45 pm

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 7):
I am surprised with the use of granite as a cocktail table surface after years of removing olives to reduce weight.

The airline's turned the corner.  
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:49 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):

I like all the thought processes, but it looks cheap. I would have to sit in it to make a comfort judgement. That said, when I fly F, I don't think to much about the seat design. Does it have power, check, does it have entertainment, Check. The rest to me is all food and soft product. At least when it comes to domestic. International, the seat design makes a big difference.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:50 pm

is it just me or is the seatback design+color rather hideous ?
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:54 pm

They are somewhat limited on their color choices given their branding. You should expect to see variations of blue along with grey though I wouldn't fault them for branching out.

I think the tablet stand and extra storage is a good idea. This is only domestic first after all and many of those seats are simply free upgrades so they aren't going to spend gazillions to reinvent the premium wheel for domestic aircraft.

Where UA needs to step up is in their international products. Hopefully Munoz will kick start that effort and roll out true premium economy, a new C class with all-aisle access and soft product upgrades to at least match the competition.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:56 pm

I have a feeling PriestmanGoode is going to help UA with a total new brand image.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:05 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
No inflight entertainment?? Seriously??

Streaming entertainment throughout - it is such a better solution than in seat monitors - until you have tried it, you wouldn't know.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting adamblang (Reply 8):
that some aircraft are contractually obligated to continue having DirecTV

Can you or someone else explain this? They are contractually obligated?
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:07 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 1):
I see a lot of elements copied over from the new AA A321 (non-T) domestic F seat

It does look pretty similar, which isn't a bad thing, the AA seats are far superior to the current UA seats...glad UA is updating the fleet with these.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:12 pm

Quoting bourbon (Reply 14):
going to help UA with a total new brand image.

Pleasantly surprised to see the United logo with "First" and "Economy Plus" posted on the bulkhead of each cabin. There had been criticism by several posters previously that there was no branding in the UA cabins so this finally covers that base. It's not huge and 'in your face' tacky but nicely subtle IMO.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):

is it just me or is the seatback design+color rather hideous ?

It might be just you and the other "artsy" people around. I actually sorta like the clean, sleek look and I sure won't miss that floppy, stretched-out, "stuffed with garbage" seat back pocket that they currently have.

Are there still drop-down screens in these planes (for the safety video) or will the FAs be doing manual demonstrations?
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:28 pm

Overall the seat looks like an improvement. All the extra storage will be nice. Other than that it doesn't look that spectacular. I'd love to see a legrest/thigh support, but I don't think the 37 inch pitch will accommodate that.
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:34 pm

These seats look new, I guess it is better than old seats. For the comfort, I agree with the poster who said that we need to sit in it to decide, but from the looks...

I like the table and document holders. I find the "granite" (let's be clear, this is plastic with a granite pattern, not actual granite) cup-holder absolutely atrocious, useful but ugly. And generally this seat does not look sharp, it screams "bad taste".

The seat looks overall cheap and unless it reclines better than the previous one due to the moving seat cushion, given the lack of a footrest or legrest, until I try it I think it looks as uncomfortable as any domestic first class seat. OK for up to three hours and just bad beyond this.

I will still take it for the personal space but really it is time to have recliners in all first class cabins... one day maybe, for now there is only VX offering this.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:41 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 1):
somehow I see a lot of elements copied over from the new AA A321 (non-T) domestic F seat
Quoting N505fx (Reply 18):
It does look pretty similar

At first blush, they look pretty similar in terms of squared off back with open space between the seats. The American seats don't have the up-high power outlets (no more bending over and rummaging around on the floor to plug in), cubbies in the arm rests, that little cocktail tray, and tablet props in tray tables though. American's, feature-wise, seems to be more basic.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:52 pm

Given there's no seat-back IFE, the tablet holder is a thoughtful addition, although I would've preferred it to be integrated into the seatback instead of on the tray table. I feel like that just increases the odds of spilling something on my device. But still, it's a nice touch.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:01 pm

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 24):
I would've preferred it to be integrated into the seatback instead of on the tray table.

Given there're 227 737s and 757-300s in service with DirecTV in the seat back and (interestingly) 227 Airbii and 737s in service today without DirecTV, I kind of winder if tray table was selected for spare parts commonality to accommodate the half of the domestic mainline fleet that couldn't do a seatback holder.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:12 pm

Am I the only one scratching my head about the number of retrofits?
"Over 200..."
That doesn't cover the number of 737-8/900s in the fleet, much less 73G, Airbus, or any 753's.

Why only 200+??
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting N505fx (Reply 15):
Streaming entertainment throughout - it is such a better solution than in seat monitors - until you have tried it, you wouldn't know

I disagree. I prefer seat-back monitors.
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:58 pm

Looks ok, better than the current domestic first seat. Now, if they want to use it as a true premium economy seat for long haul, that may be more interesting...
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:05 pm

Streaming IFE and wifi is fantastic, until the in-seat power doesn't work. As was the case on my last IAD-SEA and SEA-IAD... almost 6 hours IAD-SEA and only every third outlet worked. Crew tried to reset it several times to no avail. Everyone's stuff was dead 3 hours in, except for the few of us that travel with backup batteries. With this new reliance on BYOD, there really needs to be a maintenance emphasis put on things like the in-seat power.

As for the seat itself... I too think it looks cheap. It looks like the new Y seats... very little padding, and sore on your backside after 3 hours...

That said... thrilled to see UA investing in hard product, and hopefully this is a continuing trend.
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:12 pm

Quoting adamblang (Reply 25):

Yeah, I'm sure they had their reasons for putting it on the tray table. Mostly I'm just glad they included it at all.


Quoting N776AU (Reply 27):
Quoting N505fx (Reply 15):
Streaming entertainment throughout - it is such a better solution than in seat monitors - until you have tried it, you wouldn't know

I disagree. I prefer seat-back monitors.

Same. I've tried both and prefer the seat-back AVOD, mostly because it's less of a hassle, although the tablet holder is a step in the right direction.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:51 pm

Now this would be a good example for United to showcase as their new International Premium Economy product.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:56 pm

The side storage compartments look useful, but very slender. What happens when you drop your pen, stylus, jewelry, etc. in it? What is the bottom of it going to look like after weeks, months, years of food crumbs and other stuff fall into it?
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting N776AU (Reply 27):

Quoting N505fx (Reply 15):
Streaming entertainment throughout - it is such a better solution than in seat monitors - until you have tried it, you wouldn't know

I disagree. I prefer seat-back monitors.

Well, N505fx, I've tried both quite extensively and know that I personally also prefer the monitors. Not everyone brings on tablets and computers on board for all flights. Watching content on your small phone screen just sucks, not to mention holding your phone the entire time in front of your face. Placing the device on your lap for the entire flat makes you crouch your neck to look downward - also not a great alternative for people on long flights. Most of all my flying is 4+ hour legs, so this is a no-go for me.

On a recent Alaska flight I took, they only offered streaming on a flight that was just over 5 hours. The power outlets malfunctioned and people were sh&t out of luck when battery-sucking streaming service ate up the juice in the first hour or two.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:37 pm

Quoting Curiousflyer (Reply 22):
I like the table and document holders. I find the "granite" (let's be clear, this is plastic with a granite pattern, not actual granite) cup-holder absolutely atrocious, useful but ugly. And generally this seat does not look sharp, it screams "bad taste".

If you look at the video, they seem to go out of their way to point out that the granite is, indeed, genuine. Not plastic, as you pulled out of thin air.

I have historically been critical of UA's faults, just as much as the next person, but I am truly excited now that Smisek is gone. I do believe UA can have a bright future. I agree with many on this board that say that UA is kinda damned by many ANetters who will find fault with anything they do. I do not think this is a massive leap forward, but to do so wouldn't be appropriate in their market. On the whole, I appreciate the changes and effort they put in to this. Having just flown in one of the older 753 F seats on Monday, I look forward to hopefully a more pleasant and comfortable experience.

I will agree that I do prefer seatback IFE to streaming. I really like to be able to sit without my tray table out. Seatback IFE allows me to slouch, contort or squirm however I need to get comfortable, something that isn't always possible with a tray over you. However, this is a sympom of this whole PDE movement that this particular seat.
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 35):

If you look at the video, they seem to go out of their way to point out that the granite is, indeed, genuine. Not plastic, as you pulled out of thin air.


My bad.
It still looks out of place. Why throw a piece of stone when weight is an obsession? And it does not work with the seat colors.

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 31):

Now this would be a good example for United to showcase as their new International Premium Economy product.


It would be better than what they have, but they need leg rest and foot rests at least.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:59 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 26):

I wouldn't be surprised if they were going to do the non-DirecTV frames first, same as they have done with the Y refits. That would be pretty much the right number.
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:12 pm

This seat looks like a gussied up Y seat. Little padding, hard shell design, "articulating" recline that means reduced knee room, no ife without your own device (how do you do work and use IFE at the same time?).

More reasons to skip UA
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:18 pm

I wonder if UA will start providing tablets to first class like AA does.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:21 pm

Is it just me, or does that seat look really cheap and uncomfortable already? I bet you its a ton lighter and has less support. Knowing united they are trying to spin it like an improvement for customers, when its probably just an improvement for them
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:43 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 38):
This seat looks like a gussied up Y seat. Little padding, hard shell design, "articulating" recline that means reduced knee room, no ife without your own device (how do you do work and use IFE at the same time?).

All of the slim line seats that carriers are using these days (DL and AA included) look similar to this IMO, so I don't see how its any worse. AA has the articulating recline as well. As for no IFE, isn't this just going to be used in non IFE birds? I don't think they are going to remove the IFE from planes that already have it. DL and AA have sizable fleets without IFE as well, so I'm not sure if I see much of a difference there either.

A lot of people are already complaining about the seat but in reality it appears to be similar to the FC seats in DL and AA's NB fleet. FWIW, I find the new UA economy seats to be very comfortable, so these seats may not be as bad as they look.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:52 pm

Here are the Hi-Res photos from newsroom.united.com

https://images.ebizautos.com/sites/11560/images/UFdomseat_1.jpg

https://images.ebizautos.com/sites/11560/images/UFdomseat_3_tabletholder2.jpg

https://images.ebizautos.com/sites/11560/images/UFdomseat_6_sidepocket.jpg

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Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:07 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 40):
I wonder if UA will start providing tablets to first class like AA does.

Already rolling out in certain markets (Hawaii); free in first and available for rental in economy.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:40 pm

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 31):
Well, N505fx, I've tried both quite extensively and know that I personally also prefer the monitors. Not everyone brings on tablets and computers on board for all flights. Watching content on your small phone screen just sucks, not to mention holding your phone the entire time in front of your face.

Bring a tablet - and if you have the right kind of case or cover, you can tuck it in to that upper pocket, and voila it is just like an IFE monitor, except with much better resolution, better sound, a better selection of content and subject to being inop due to maintenance.
 
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RE: UA Unveils New Premium Seat For Narrowbody Fleet

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:42 am

This seat is clearly an improvement overall.

Regarding the overall design of the cabin, I will be curious to see if the periwinkle sidewalls on some of the older sub-CO aircraft are replaced.

Certainly, although perhaps a minor detail, I applaud the demise of the cheap, tacky subCO carpet. I still really like the subUA IPTE carpet design, but this looks decent too...
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:55 am

I don't think the granite looks cheap, because it's black it looks pretty sleek but I thought it would look tacky before I actually saw the pic (and let's face it 20 years later granite is a bit outdated now). The seats from the side don't look all that slim until you see them from the back and you realize the side padding is an illusion. I agree they are like AA's latest domestic F seat beginning with 738 in that they are squared off at the top and have a big gap between them which means you have to look at the passengers in front of you for the whole flight (which you don't have to do in Coach), so that is very disappointing. I don't like the stitching on the side it reminds me of a vinyl seated Motorboat (in all fairness Mercedes too), Delta has that now too. The tshirt tag on the side of the seat looks like it should be ripped off after purchase and I think is a cheap touch. I am glad that they are wider but only at the bottom but the reality this seat is more narrow than the current one for most of the seat, just like AA. I agree it is all going to come down to comfort but from the back it doesn't look like it will be all that comfortable. If United FAs are friendly though and they serve nice meals, that is most important. I would love to see United restored, it is sad when an iconic brand turns sour.

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Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:55 am

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...rst-class-domestic-seats/72001902/


"This is the seat model they liked best," said Nigel Goode, co-founder of British design firm PriestmanGoode, which is working with United on a wide variety of passenger experience projects. "

They design beautiful projects. Thankfully United is working with PriestmanGoode!
 
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RE: UA Unveils New Premium Seat For Narrowbody Fleet

Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:39 am

As others have mentioned, BYOD is great until there is no power as was the case on my EWR-LAS and LAS-EWR trips. It didn't even malfunction, there was none... Couple that with the fact you need to keep wifi enabled to stream the entertainment and your battery is gone in a couple of hours.

I would have preferred seat back and directTV or AVOD without question.
 
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RE: UA Unveils New Premium Seat For Narrowbody Fleet

Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:11 am

Quoting psolk (Reply 45):

I would have preferred seat back and directTV or AVOD without question.

ahem their is another airline adding AVOD to most of its fleet      
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:00 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 46):

Quoting psolk (Reply 45):

I would have preferred seat back and directTV or AVOD without question.

ahem their is another airline adding AVOD to most of its fleet      

...all but those 300 or so M90/M88/712s.... 

UA has in seat video on a bit over 60% of the fleet.

Quoting psolk (Reply 45):
As others have mentioned, BYOD is great until there is no power as was the case on my EWR-LAS and LAS-EWR trips. It didn't even malfunction, there was none... Couple that with the fact you need to keep wifi enabled to stream the entertainment and your battery is gone in a couple of hours.

Every aircraft larger than a CRJ-700 is having power installed...

I like the blue and tan combination....certainly a bit more colorful than the black that they have now.
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RE: UA Unveils New Premium Seat For Narrowbody Fleet

Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:16 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 47):

...all but those 300 or so M90/M88/712s.... 

UA has in seat video on a bit over 60% of the fleet.

At least for the most part it will be consistent and the longer flights will have AVOD.

Also heard some rumors that the 90s are again being looked at for AVOD.
 
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RE: UA Unveils New Premium Seat For Narrowbody Fleet

Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:21 am

Wifi works about half the time, their streaming is about the same. The pod seats are nice just looking dated.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 35):
More reasons to skip UA

Agreed.

New product looks god awful. Like a ME3 coach plus seat.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 36):
I wonder if UA will start providing tablets to first class like AA does.

Circa 2003. Who doesn't travel with one now?

Quoting GreenArc (Reply 40):
Already rolling out in certain markets (Hawaii)

Used the product plenty from NYC/DC and no tablet. Something else to keep track of that'll break and affect the bottom line.

Hope the new CEO looks over all this before roll out. Maybe he'll listen to a few of us GS flyers.


You stay classy, United.

You stay classy United.


[Edited 2015-09-10 20:24:05]

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