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BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:17 pm

The first BA 747-400 with the super high J configuration cabin and new IFE will be entering service tomorrow on the LHR-JFK route.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:23 pm

What is exactly the super high J class configuration?? currently they have 2 different configs:

14/70/30/185
14/52/36/243
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:27 pm

If demand is so high in J have they ever considered J class only flights like the LCY-JFK? I know pax want frequency, but the benefits of a private J only plane and faster boarding / customs etc. is also something to consider. And most BA/AA flights leave very soon after each other in the evening anyway.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:40 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
What is exactly the super high J class configuration?? currently they have 2 different configs:

14/70/30/185
14/52/36/243

14/86/30/145
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:44 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 2):
If demand is so high in J have they ever considered J class only flights like the LCY-JFK? I know pax want frequency, but the benefits of a private J only plane and faster boarding / customs etc. is also something to consider. And most BA/AA flights leave very soon after each other in the evening anyway.

F & J passengers are allowed to board when they wish, get to disembark 1st, and have priority bag delivery. They wouldn't gain anything from an all J aircraft.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:12 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):

theres a big difference between priority boarding with almost 100 F/J and a A318 with 30
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:18 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 5):
theres a big difference between priority boarding with almost 100 F/J and a A318 with 30

You also need 3+ A318s flights to match a single high J 744- if BA was to outfight an all premium aircraft for LHR-JFK it would probably be a 787 or 777, in which case they would receive little benefit over a 4 class plane.

They have a high J count for a reason: BA is trying to maximize revenue from J/F passengers (capture as much as they can without over saturating market with premium seats they struggle to fill), not maximize the benefits that J/F passengers receive.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:34 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 2):

If demand is so high in J have they ever considered J class only flights like the LCY-JFK?

The high demand might be a reason why BA still gets away with J in a 2-4-2 configuration while more and more carriers choose 1-2-1.
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:38 pm

Why not just send an A380? This is exactly the kind of market the A380 is made for: High premium demand and healthy Y demand.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:45 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
Why not just send an A380? This is exactly the kind of market the A380 is made for: High premium demand and healthy Y demand.

Terminal issues aside, I suspect BA is worried about flooding the market with too many Y seats with the A380. LHR-JFK has healthy Y demand but also a lot of flights in the market. Because of the high premium demand, however, is not a good market to consolidate two flights into one A380 as then BA would be losing a lot of premium seats.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:54 pm

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Thread starter):
The first BA 747-400 with the super high J configuration cabin and new IFE will be entering service tomorrow on the LHR-JFK route.

Will these aircraft be serving any routes other than LHR-JFK?

Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
Why not just send an A380?

I think the A380 would have more Y than necessary.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:15 pm

It's rather impressive that only 1/4 of the main deck is economy class.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 7):
The high demand might be a reason why BA still gets away with J in a 2-4-2 configuration while more and more carriers choose 1-2-1.

Their J class isn't 2-4-2 any more than the herringbone layouts or other staggered layouts.
http://www.britishairways.com/assets...00/boeing-747-400_275_500x1689.jpg

If you you look at the cabin cross section at seat cushion it is 1-2-1. The legroom of the other seat doesn't count as it is narrower that the seat cushion. If it does, one could argue that the herringbone layouts are also 2-4-2 as the legroom of the previous seat extends next to the seat. Not to mention Thompson Vantage seats...

Full aisle access is something that they don't have, I'll give you that.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 9):

Terminal issues aside, I suspect BA is worried about flooding the market with too many Y seats with the A380.

If BA doesn't do it, someone else will. I don't see it as just NYC-LON market. BA carriers a lot of connecting passengers.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):
I think the A380 would have more Y than necessary.

I don't think an extra 100 Y seats next to the total daily BA/AA combined Y seats is that significant.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:24 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 2):
If demand is so high in J have they ever considered J class only flights like the LCY-JFK? I know pax want frequency, but the benefits of a private J only plane and faster boarding / customs etc. is also something to consider

Speedbird 001 003 only works because they have clearance in SNN, had they not have that it would not work for passenger arriving in JFK as a domestic flight without custom clearance.

For most NYC - LON flights, most are routed between JFK and LHR, which does not have such facility to offer that option, so having all J seats flight would not make a huge impact on boarding and deplaning process. And of course, AA & BA can have a specific gate within their own terminals to make such with prior clearance on both sides of the pond, but that would create another can of worms of unfair competition to other carriers.

What you have suggested is that do a shuttle service between JFK and LHR with light aircraft load, premium service and expedited custom clearance... ala Concorde.

                                
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:30 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):
Will these aircraft be serving any routes other than LHR-JFK?


Without doubt, as I believe this re-fit is for the entire Hi-J fleet. Other regular Hi-J destinations are quite diverse and include DXB, MEX, BOS and PEK, for example.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:32 pm

Quoting lucce (Reply 11):
Their J class isn't 2-4-2 any more than the herringbone layouts or other staggered layouts.
http://www.britishairways.com/assets...00/boeing-747-400_275_500x1689.jpg

If you you look at the cabin cross section at seat cushion it is 1-2-1. The legroom of the other seat doesn't count as it is narrower that the seat cushion. If it does, one could argue that the herringbone layouts are also 2-4-2 as the legroom of the previous seat extends next to the seat. Not to mention Thompson Vantage seats...

BA J configuration on 747s (and 777s) is definitely 2-4-2. The forward/backward facing layout is the only way to fit 8 seats across since the foot area of one seat is next to the seating area of the adjacent seat and less space is needed for your feet legs than the rest of your body.

The 2-4-2 layout on BA was innovative when introduced but to me it makes the cabin seem fairly dense, except on the 747 upper deck where it's more intimate at 2-2.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:26 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
I don't think an extra 100 Y seats next to the total daily BA/AA combined Y seats is that significant.

Every 380 flight on the route would add 100 seats, potentially thats about 800 seats per day due to the number of flights.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):


Will these aircraft be serving any routes other than LHR-JFK

BOS and LOS will also see them.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:31 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):

Why not just send an A380? This is exactly the kind of market the A380 is made for: High premium demand and healthy Y demand.


Terminal issues, flooding the market with Y capacity and a lack of cargo hold.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting TedToToe (Reply 14):
out doubt, as I believe this re-fit is for the entire Hi-J fleet.

Not all Hi-J are getting it, only 18 aircraft in total.

https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6375621

According to the link above, only BYG* and CIV* aircraft are expected to be fitted. This excludes four Hi-J aircraft in the BNL* range.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
Why not just send an A380? This is exactly the kind of market the A380 is made for: High premium demand and healthy Y demand.

Makes more sense to use the A380 on a longhaul route where utilization is greater than on a relatively short route like LHR-JFK. Cheaper to fly a 744, especially with today's low fuel prices. Can easily park those aircraft in the unlikely event of a sudden hike in fuel prices since there are no capital costs involved for aircraft that were paid for long ago.

BA's 744 plans are mentioned in this recent Bloomberg article which was discussed in another thread.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...d-as-british-airways-extends-reign
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting aamd11 (Reply 19):

Not all Hi-J are getting it, only 18 aircraft in total.

BA 747 Cabin Refresh & Reconfiguration (by GSTBA Apr 17 2015 in Civil Aviation)

According to the link above, only BYG* and CIV* aircraft are expected to be fitted. This excludes four Hi-J aircraft in the BNL* range.

Of course! Thank you for the clarification.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:10 pm

Quoting aamd11 (Reply 19):
Not all Hi-J are getting it, only 18 aircraft in total

The remaining 6 Hi-J aircraft that wont receive the Super Hi-J refresh will be converted into the Mid-J configuration.
This will eventually result in 18 Super Hi-J and 21 Mid-J configured 744s by next summer when the project is planned to be complete,
The 3x 'old First' Mid-J aircraft will be retired over the coming winter 15/16 period.

[Edited 2015-09-14 15:18:54]
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:24 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 2):

If demand is so high in J have they ever considered J class only flights like the LCY-JFK?

Why would they do that? There is both F and Y demand as well.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
Why not just send an A380? This is exactly the kind of market the A380 is made for: High premium demand and healthy Y demand.

They can't park an A380 at T7. Also, their relatively limited A380 fleet are mainly used on longer runs where frequency is not as easy to make work, like LAX.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
don't think an extra 100 Y seats next to the total daily BA/AA combined Y seats is that significant.

If you replace 2-3 744s a day, that is 300 more Y seats.
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:15 am

Quoting Polot (Reply 9):
Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
Why not just send an A380? This is exactly the kind of market the A380 is made for: High premium demand and healthy Y demand.

Terminal issues aside, I suspect BA is worried about flooding the market with too many Y seats with the A380.

Maybe it's time BA put in one of those fancy bars that the ME carriers have installed in their 380s - that'll take out a couple of those pesky Y seats!
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:34 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):
Will these aircraft be serving any routes other than LHR-JFK?
Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 17):
BOS and LOS will also see them.

I think they will also operate to ORD. And there will likely be some other destinations as there will be 18 'Super Hi J' 744s with eight daily flights to JFK, four to BOS, two to ORD and one to LOS. So if all these fifteen flights were 744s - currently usually at least two to JFK, and one each to BOS and ORD are 777s - BA would be left with a couple of idle frames plus one back-up / maintenance aircraft.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:53 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 16):
Every 380 flight on the route would add 100 seats, potentially thats about 800 seats per day due to the number of flights.

No one is suggesting that BA should replace every flight to JFK with an A380. They would have to order a lot more of them  

At the end of the day I suspect that it comes down to terminal capability. No airline in their right mind would hand off passengers to the competition if they didn't have to, and in this case choosing between more J or more Y is an easy decision for BA. Especially if you take into consideration the pressure that the Euro carriers are feeling from the ME carriers. There's a reason why every airline that owns an A380, flies it to JFK. It is as close a perfect market for the A380 as you will find it.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 13):
Speedbird 001 003 only works because they have clearance in SNN, had they not have that it would not work for passenger arriving in JFK as a domestic flight without custom clearance.

Only BA001 has pre-clearance now since CBP reduced the hours of coverage at SNN. The BA003 stop in SNN is now only a tech stop.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:52 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 25):

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):
Will these aircraft be serving any routes other than LHR-JFK?
Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 17):
BOS and LOS will also see them.

I think they will also operate to ORD. And there will likely be some other destinations as there will be 18 'Super Hi J' 744s with eight daily flights to JFK, four to BOS, two to ORD and one to LOS. So if all these fifteen flights were 744s - currently usually at least two to JFK, and one each to BOS and ORD are 777s - BA would be left with a couple of idle frames plus one back-up / maintenance aircraft.

A Super Hi-J is planned to be operating the following flights by mid March 2016

BA075/BA074 - LOS - Daily
BA107/BA106 - DXB - Daily
BA113/BA116 - JFK - 3 x Weekly
BA115/BA114 - JFK - Daily
BA157/BA156 - KWI - Daily
BA175/BA112 - JFK - Daily
BA263/BA262 - RUH - 2 x Weekly
BA295/BA294 - ORD - Daily

Other routes currently operated by a Hi-J 747 and likely in time to be operated by the Super Hi-J 747 include

ABV, BOS, DFW (747 ops winter season), GRU, IAH, MEX & PEK
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:20 am

any pics of the interior yet?
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:16 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 26):
There's a reason why every airline that owns an A380, flies it to JFK. It is as close a perfect market for the A380 as you will find it.

Whoops, need to check the facts.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:45 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):

F & J passengers are allowed to board when they wish, get to disembark 1st, and have priority bag delivery. They wouldn't gain anything from an all J aircraft.

Sure they would. They wouldn't have to fly on an aircraft with THOSE PEOPLE BACK THERE.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:48 am

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 29):
any pics of the interior yet?

Nothing overly detailed:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/files/News-images/BA/BA-refreshed-B747-Club-World-cabin.jpg
http://www.businesstraveller.com/files/News-images/BA/BA-refreshed-B747-Club-World-seat.jpg
http://www.businesstraveller.com/files/News-images/BA/BA-refreshed-B747-World-Traveller-cabin.jpg
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:49 am

It seems some non-US airlines have a much higher number F/J seats. For example I can't see AA or DL flying an aircraft with 86 J seat JFK-LHR.

Why is this? Do more non-US corporate customers allow employees to fly in premium cabins?
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:40 am

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 29):
any pics of the interior yet?

The additional 16 J Class seats are in a new fourth J Class cabin located where the W Class cabin is on a 'Hi J' configured aircraft. The four J Class cabins are:


1. Upper Deck: 20 J Class seats. Rows 60 - 64. Configured 2 -2. Exactly as in 'Hi J' configured aircraft

2. Main Deck Forward J Class Cabin: 18 J Class seats. Rows 12 -14. Row 12 configured 0-0-2. Rows 13-14 configured 2-4-2. Exactly as in 'Hi J Configured aircraft

3. Main Deck Central J Class Cabin: 32 J Class seats. Rows 17-20. Configured 2-4-2. Exactly as in 'Hi J' configured aircraft.

4. Main Deck Rear J Class Cabin: 16 J Class seats. Rows 21-22. Configured 2-4-2. Not present in 'Hi J' configured aircraft but configured exactly as main deck J cabins on those aircraft.


So I believe the only difference in the J Class cabins firmware is the addition of a 16 seat cabin to the original 18 and 32 seat cabins main deck cabins. However the cabins are being refreshed with new curtains, carpeting, wall panels and seat covers.

The often not very reliable Rockwell Collins IFE System is being replaced by the Panasonic eX3 IFE System but the existing screen sizes - 15" in F Class, 10.4" in J Class and 8.9" in W and Y Class are retained. There are also upgrades to W Class cabin seat power sockets. They are a universal type accepting British, European and American plugs. There is a new Y Class seat USB socket that will power both phones and tablets. However all of these upgrades are difficult to illustrate pictorially just as is the addition of the third Main Deck J Cabin so similar to the forward and central cabins.

You can check out the above here:

http://www.thebasource.com/seatmaps/b747-400/14f86j30w145y.html

http://www.thebasource.com/seatmaps/b747-400/14f70j30w185y.html
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:45 pm

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 30):
Whoops, need to check the facts.

Sure lets...  
LH A380
SQ A380
AF A380
EK A380
OZ A380
KE A380
QR&EY Already announced JFK, after next deliveries.

That leaves these 5 by the end of the year:
CZ A380 not capable of flying the route. Cargo heavy route.
MH Doesn't serve JFK
TG Doesn't serve JFK
QF No cabotage rights.
BA No terminal  
I think my point is valid despite it not being grammatically correct  
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:00 pm

i happened to fly the first flight yesterday as BA 117 in WT. the new J extension makes the overall J cabin feel more spacious as it crosses the exit door where WT+ used to begin.

sadly the WT+ throne seat that the exit door is no more.

the new panasonic system is pretty slick. i had no issues and i did see one or two people around me with issues but there was a technician from panasonic on board to work the flight.

aside from delaying the flight 3 hours and incorrectly calculating how much fuel had ACTUALLY been loaded...the new interior is a pleasant refresh for the previously worn 744s.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:03 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 34):
The often not very reliable Rockwell Collins IFE System is being replaced by the Panasonic eX3 IFE System but the existing screen sizes - 15" in F Class, 10.4" in J Class and 8.9" in W and Y Class are retained.

All cabins on the refurbished 747 have larger IFE screens than the old Avod ones.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 9):
Terminal issues aside, I suspect BA is worried about flooding the market with too many Y seats with the A380. LHR-JFK has healthy Y demand but also a lot of flights in the market. Because of the high premium demand, however, is not a good market to consolidate two flights into one A380 as then BA would be losing a lot of premium seats.
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 16):
Every 380 flight on the route would add 100 seats, potentially thats about 800 seats per day due to the number of flights.

They could have just as easily reconfigured some A380s with more J and less Y instead of the 744 if they wanted to.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:26 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 38):
They could have just as easily reconfigured some A380s with more J and less Y instead of the 744 if they wanted to.

Except they (will so far) only have 12 A380s versus ~40 747s. It doesn't make sense to reconfigure and have a small subfleet of A380s, especially as they already have a lot of premium seats (I think BA may already have more J seats in their A380 than any other operator) so BA might have issues finding other suitable routes to place "high J" A380s on. With a larger number of 747s they can have more configurations and be more flexible.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:58 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 39):

Exactly, which is why they chose the 744 instead.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 38):


They could have just as easily reconfigured some A380s with more J and less Y instead of the 744 if they wanted to.

The A380 and 744 Super Hi-J are for different missions. LH takes a similar approach with A380 and 748, where the A380 carries 2 fewer J passengers but considerably more in Y.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 34):
There are also upgrades to W Class cabin seat power sockets. They are a universal type accepting British, European and American plugs.

Does this mean the WT+ seat is still the old seat and not the new WT+ as seen on the 777-300ER, A380 and 787?
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:23 pm

Quoting classiclover (Reply 42):

Does this mean the WT+ seat is still the old seat and not the new WT+ as seen on the 777-300ER, A380 and 787?

Yes exactly that. All the cabins still have the original seats. They have however had fresh cushioning and updated seat coverings. The WT and WT+ seats do now have a larger plastic area added to the top of the seatbacks. It's to fit the new and larger Panasonic IFE screens and gives a more modern brighter look.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:06 pm

As an aside, the Super Hi-J 744 could also be used to sub for an A380 if BA found itself with network disruption or had one go tech. Whilst not ideal to be leaving Y passengers behind, the chances are with a Super H-J subbing for an A380 you're not leaving any F, J and W passengers behind. With the frequency of flights BA and AA offer on the LHR-JFK route I'm sure BA could pull a Hi-J 744 from there and spread some passengers around (although I also suspect a Hi-J 744 will end up as an operational spare in what is in effect a high premium sub-fleet of 30 aircraft - 12 A380s and 18 Hi-J 744s).
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:30 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 35):
I think my point is valid despite it not being grammatically correct  

Ha ha, how does a statement like: Quoting airbazar (Reply 26):
There's a reason why every airline that owns an A380, flies it to JFK. It is as close a perfect market for the A380 as you will find it..

You were able to come up with five airlines that own A380s and don't fly them to JFK.
There is a differance between being grammatically incorrect and being plan wrong..

JFK is not a perfect market for the A380. As people continually bang on about on here, Americans prefer frequency and small aircraft.. LHR is probably close to the perfect market.
 
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:36 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 32):
Nothing overly detailed:

FINALLY they are bringing mood lighting all the way to economy. That's a nice looking 744.
 
bthebest
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:40 pm

Just as a side note, BA Source reported that the BA114 on the 15th operated with a fully occupied J cabin. Clearly looks like they can make this work.
 
tonystan
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:20 pm

Quoting bthebest (Reply 47):

More like they replaced the previous High-J aircraft at short notice and had to upgrade a lot of wt+ passengers in order to accommodate as many people as possible from the higher capacity aircraft!
My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
 
Johnwaynebobbet
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RE: BA 747-400 Super High J

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:01 pm

Also was the F cabin not closed due to technical issues.

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