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Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:44 pm

The other topic was brought up in another thread about all J class 744, which I do not think would work, but how about all J A318 like BA has, but instead of 2+2 seats, would their A321T F seats work? I would think it'd be more popular than having to climb across your neighbors lap for restroom (toilet) during flight! Thoughts?
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:06 pm

I don't think there's room for it. EGLC is quite space restricted (with only 2 A318 stands, both of which BA use)
 
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:12 pm

I guess technically an airline could do whatever they want (with some limitations of course) but it wouldn't make financial sense in my opinion, at least for AA. Also BA is a partner of AA so once again that wouldn't make much sense.

Correct me if I am wrong but there isn't much premium demand anymore... most of the demand is from economy passengers who want cheap fairs and is why a lot of airlines are doing more of an LCC style. I mean look at WestJet and even WOW. (For Transatlantic Operations that is)

Wait... AA doesn't even have A318s right?

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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:13 pm

But why would they? They have JV partner that already does so AA has no need. You can book the flight on aa.com already.

Now if AA flew an A318 to some other airport across the atlantic then maybe, but I can't think of any airport that would need the A318 over a 757.

Also, if we were talking about DL starting a similar flight from JFK to LCY, that also makes more sense.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:13 pm

They could, but why would they when their oneworld/JV partner BA already covers the route?
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting bgm (Reply 4):
They could, but why would they when their oneworld/JV partner BA already covers the route?

Same reason route between JFK and LHR has both AA & BA, if there is enough demand, then that will be filled.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:36 pm

It's a very limited market. I think BA has it covered very well. It would make sense for BA to add another flight, aa doesn't need another fleet type.
 
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:39 pm

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 1):

I don't think there's room for it. EGLC is quite space restricted (with only 2 A318 stands, both of which BA use)

There are four suitable stands for an A318 sized aircraft.


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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:46 pm

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 5):
Same reason route between JFK and LHR has both AA & BA, if there is enough demand, then that will be filled.

Except JFK-LHR exists within a much, much larger network for both airlines.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 6):
aa doesn't need another fleet type.

AA already has A319/320/321. From a MX, pilots and spares perspective, it wouldn't be an issue.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:37 pm

AA doesn't even have A318s but if they did why would they copy BA's service? They would code share obviously and I don't see the appeal for AA to do such a thing. Does AA have any facilities at Shannon to fuel or would they just mooch off BAs station?
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:01 pm

If there was money to be made above and beyond the current 2 daily 318 LCY-JFK sectors BA would of added to the current feet of 2 318s.

If BA could add additional all J markets ex LCY for the 318 they would of added additional aircraft, there was talk of LCY-WAS and or DXB but its been very quiet on these for some time, my guess is that if BA were given permission to fly into DCA we would of seen a 3rd BA 318 by now and the route would be flying, as it stands, its a very small targeted market, underwritten as I understand it by some banks.


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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:04 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 9):
AA doesn't even have A318s but if they did why would they copy BA's service?

AA would have absolutely no use for an A318 for any other reason.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 9):
Does AA have any facilities at Shannon to fuel or would they just mooch off BAs station?

I'm sure they would handle it like any airline does - get a fuel contract and have someone put gas in the plane.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:19 am

As has been said, AA serves the route via their JV with BA.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):

Maybe they could use an A318 to operate NYC to EGE, ASP, or BUR. [smile]
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:26 am

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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:52 am

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 12):
Maybe they could use an A318 to operate NYC to EGE, ASP, or BUR. [smile]

LOL. What for? BUR could run with a 757, A319 or 738 tomorrow.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:18 am

Just make sure it's an ETOPS A318.
 
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:43 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
LOL. What for? BUR could run with a 757, A319 or 738 tomorrow.

just think of routes where you could fly an all first class a318...

But serious question, could the a318 do ASE or EGE-NYC?
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:54 am

[quote=UA444,reply=15]
Just make sure it's an ETOPS A318.
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What difference does it make to AA?
 
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:10 am

Out of curiosity, how does BA route their 318's. Do they do all of the maintenance at LCY/JFK, or do they shuttle them during their downtime to LHR or another airport for maintenance?

Seating question for BA's 318 fleet - could they offer a seat similar to the new JAL 77W offering, allowing aisle access to all passengers without sacrificing a tremendous amount of floor space? The current AA 77W business class seat (used on the 321T aircraft as First) seem to lose a lot of space per row to the aisles. Just thinking of a way to improve passenger comfort while maintaining a similar number of seats on the aircraft.

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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:21 am

Quoting willyj (Reply 18):
Out of curiosity, how does BA route their 318's. Do they do all of the maintenance at LCY/JFK, or do they shuttle them during their downtime to LHR or another airport for maintenance?

The aircraft and crews are based at LGW. They're ferried LCY-LGW for the weekend since LCY is closed on Saturday afternoon/evening and Sunday morning. I expect most of the maintenance is during their downtime at LGW.
 
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:38 am

Regarding further services, it is questionable as to whether more could be added. The A318 can only use the four newer stands to the East, the same goes for the C Series. With Swiss re-fleeting to the C Series, morning schedules already present the possibility that all four stands will be occupied simultaneously by aircraft which can only use them.

Unless the new stand development is pushed through, I don't see any further services.


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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:44 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
AA would have absolutely no use for an A318 for any other reason.

To reiterate they don't have any so that is a moot point.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:33 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 21):

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
AA would have absolutely no use for an A318 for any other reason.

To reiterate they don't have any so that is a moot point.

I could see AA do JFK-MIA-JFK on all J config, or even LAX-SFO-LAX config to do shuttle runs, however, I'm only an armchair CEO...   
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:43 am

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 22):
I could see AA do JFK-MIA-JFK on all J config, or even LAX-SFO-LAX config to do shuttle runs, however, I'm only an armchair CEO...  

That would be a dumb move to have an aircraft dedicated for single service that could be done by an existing aircraft in the fleet. There is no sound business thinking for such an operation except for the fact that on the service from LCY you are flying from LCY which is an easier and worth while experience IMO.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:11 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 17):
[quote=UA444,reply=15]
Just make sure it's an ETOPS A318.
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What difference does it make to AA?

LOL

I get it...it's a joke...referring to earlier this week (or last) when AA accidentally flew an A321 that wasn't ETOPS on a LAX-Hawaii route without realizing it.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 22):
I could see AA do JFK-MIA-JFK on all J config, or even LAX-SFO-LAX config to do shuttle runs, however, I'm only an armchair CEO...   

AA has the A321T, a much better option than the A318 all business, the A321T has 10First, 20 Business, 36 Economy comfort and 32 Economy.
Specially designed for the Transcontinental flights, with a very nice service and seats.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ame...rican_Airlines_Airbus_A321_new.php
BA A318 has 32 business seat only.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:04 am

Quoting pasu129 (Reply 5):
Quoting bgm (Reply 4):
They could, but why would they when their oneworld/JV partner BA already covers the route?

Same reason route between JFK and LHR has both AA & BA, if there is enough demand, then that will be filled.

What benefit in this case does AA get by adding a niche aircraft as a new subfleet to operate a nice route that is already served by its JV partner? As others have said, if the demand was there BA would have added more A318s, whether to add a third LCY-JFK or even an LCY-EWR flight. Much better to have BA operating say four A318s than have AA and BA operating two each.
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:20 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 20):
The A318 can only use the four newer stands to the East, the same goes for the C Series. With Swiss re-fleeting to the C Series, morning schedules already present the possibility that all four stands will be occupied simultaneously by aircraft which can only use them.

Unless the new stand development is pushed through, I don't see any further services.

Agree, and an important point that many miss about LCY - it's not just about the challenging approach and runway, it's also the lack of sizeable aircraft stands. IMO this poses more of a problem to the CSeries (a perfect LCY aircraft which would have more development potential there than the very niche A318). Let's see what politics end up deciding about the planned stand expansion...
 
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RE: Could AA Do An All J A318 To LCY?

Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:29 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
They're ferried LCY-LGW for the weekend since LCY is closed on Saturday afternoon/evening and Sunday morning. I expect most of the maintenance is during their downtime at LGW.

One aircraft spends the weekend at JFK. All minor checks are carried out here by BA staff in an AA hangar.
Every few weeks one aircraft is ferried to LGW for the weekend for higher phase checks.
Once a year in August each aircraft has a two week hangar visit. Last month this was performed by Iberia in Madrid, but has previously been done at LGW by BA.

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