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Boston Aviation - Part 6

Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:13 am

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:04 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 217):

Pretty old as the name suggests when Deval Patrick was the Governor - interesting info + read and prospective destinations that Massport is scouting. I have not encountered a similar presentation with Charlie Baker.

People here loved complaining about how much time Gov. Patrick spent on overseas trips. Typical Massachusetts "small-town" mindset. For all the achievements coming out of this region, the parochialism that characterizes so many people here never ceases to amaze me. Thankfully there are plenty of higher learning institutions that bring in fresh minds from the outside by the thousands, every year. And some even chose to stay here after they graduate.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:47 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 1):
People here loved complaining about how much time Gov. Patrick spent on overseas trips. Typical Massachusetts "small-town" mindset. For all the achievements coming out of this region, the parochialism that characterizes so many people here never ceases to amaze me. Thankfully there are plenty of higher learning institutions that bring in fresh minds from the outside by the thousands, every year. And some even chose to stay here after they graduate.

Agreed. Having grown up in MA and lived there for about half of my adult life, I couldn't agree more. I call it "drunk uncle" syndrome - in reference family holidays where there's always that one uncle who is pretty successful, but lacks exposure to just about anything outside of his town. He has an opinion about everything and cal solve all the worlds problems. He usually has outright contempt for the city of Boston, nevermind another state or another country.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 1):
People here loved complaining about how much time Gov. Patrick spent on overseas trips.

The attached link is from the Boston Globe which pretty much sums that the full credit does not only go to the ex-Governor.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/07/07/from-overseas-trade-trips-some-success-some-failure/pLynKwxCHGVX8HNBRGUVHO/story.html

I didn't include the Herald story for obvious reasons  

I do not know how much you would call the city parochial. Downtown is bustling with new construction and the economy is doing extremely well in the State compared to other states in the country. If you are comparing it with developing the casino (Wynn resorts) or the Olympics then it can counter-argued that we are too small of a city to justify.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:09 pm

I don't think the city is as parochial as other parts of the state, but when you consider how the BRA operates, there's still a fair amount of parochial practices. Menino (whom I liked) was the ultimate parochial mayor in that regard.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:54 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 3):
The attached link is from the Boston Globe which pretty much sums that the full credit does not only go to the ex-Governor.

No it's a combined effort but the governor's job is to lead the way and he sure did.

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 3):
I do not know how much you would call the city parochial. Downtown is bustling with new construction and the economy is doing extremely well in the State compared to other states in the country. If you are comparing it with developing the casino (Wynn resorts) or the Olympics then it can counter-argued that we are too small of a city to justify.

Yes the economy is doing extremely well and did so even when the rest of the country was going thru a recession. But when you look around the people doing it ARE NOT from Boston, of even from Mass for that matter. One only has to look at how different the current governor (born and raised in MA), is from the former governor (not from MA). While Patrick did as much as he could to drum up business from overseas the current one has stated that he has no intentions to travel overseas.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:37 pm

Is there a web site that shows plans for (and progress of) the Terminal E expansion? I did the obvious thing and went to Massport.com but found nothing along those lines.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:15 am

WW BOS-KEF is set 5x weekly for Jan/Feb 2016, 6x weekly from March-May 2016, and daily starting June 2016 - most likely through at least August. Connections to CPH/AMS/LGW will be daily in the summer.

The more I think of it - why didn't DY do BOS-ARN instead of BOS-CPH?

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 6):

Is there a web site that shows plans for (and progress of) the Terminal E expansion? I did the obvious thing and went to Massport.com but found nothing along those lines.

I'm wondering about C to E connector as well.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:09 pm

Noticed that BA is going double-daily 744s to LAS. Wonder if they will yank one of the BOS planes to do so? With all the new international carriers at Logan, there are more ways to get where you need to go than via LHR.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:53 pm

If I remember correctly, the company doing the work on Terminal E and the C-E connector had some information about the project, but they did not update it frequently.

Edit to add:

http://www.suffolk.com/projects/gove...etts-terminal-e-modernization.html

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:12 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 8):

They are freeing up a 747 with YVR going to A380.


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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:50 pm

August numbers are out:

High Level:

3.3m passengers total for the month 6% up year over year
22.3m passengers total YTD 2015 5% up year over year.

I haven't run this through my model, but I suspect this is a record YTD August.

Domestic overall up 5.6% for the month and 4.1% YTD
International up 7.8% for the month and 10% YTD

All International sectors were up year over year except for the Caribbean which was down by 6.9%, but still up overall this year.

Also interesting is international freight is way up this year at 17m lbs for the month and 131m for YTD, up by 17% and 15% respectively, those new international flights are definitely bringing in some cargo with them too.

More details when i run through my model, but these are the highlights.

5% increase year on year if held until the end of 2015 will top out at roughly 33.2m pax for the year.. rather impressive to say the least.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:18 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 11):

I did the load factor combined for Mid East and Asia carriers assuming standard aircraft used.

Mid-East 91.7%
Asia 92.1%
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:19 am

2012 finished with 29.3 million passengers. Very impressive to think that 2015 could finish with 33.2 million.

If current service levels are maintained in 2016, no reason to see why Logan could not surpass 34 million passengers for 2016.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:18 am

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 13):
2012 finished with 29.3 million passengers

End of Year numbers since 2002

2002, 22,696,141
2003, 22,807,805
2004, 26,142,516
2005, 27,087,905
2006, 27,725,443
2007, 28,102,455
2008, 26,102,651
2009, 25,512,086
2010, 27,428,962
2011. 28,906,174
2012. 29,290,096
2013, 30,237,699
2014, 31,634,445
2015 to August 22,385,149

I put all the years up to show the perspective. The 8 months in 2015 have almost surpassed 2002 and 2003, if we assume 0 (ish) growth over the Sept 14 number of 2.7m, then we are looking at 25m YTD at that point, which then almost knocks off 2009, it's really very impressive to be honest.

There are a lot of cutbacks coming in the winter, as there are most winters,

but if we just look at 3 adds alone here (there are many more)

Emirates 2nd daily for the full year 16 (assuming 80% capacity factor on a 358 seat 77W) another 209k pax alone

Norwegian's effective daily from May (noting this is to 3 different destinations during the week) on a 291 seat 788 and again 80% capacity factor will add 108K pax into the mix.

Qatar daily from March 16, on a 283 seat A350 at 80% factor, provides another 131K pax.

Those 3 alone will add around 450K passengers without any additional growth anywhere else, assuming 2015 numbers are maintained else where. So basically if we end up at 33.2 for 2015, I can absolutely see 34m for 2016, 5% overall growth on top of 2015 would get 34.9m, so really somewhat conservative at 2.4% to get the 34m number.

It could certainly be said that there could be reductions in numbers at the competitor airlines as a result of these new flights and i have not factored that into my calculations, but the evidence thus far suggests that the vast majority of this growth is not cannibalizing the existing airlines, of the 340K growth in international pax this year, 125K has come the Middle East Segment (Emirates etc), 61K from Europe, 31K from the Caribbean, 96K from Asia/Pacific, 19K from Central America, and 8K from Canada, with the domestic number also growing, even if folks are not flying in via elsewhere (other hubs), their places are being taken by other people.

Lots of info i grant you, but just goes to show the impact of all these additional flights BOS is getting... Good times Logan friends, good times..
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 14):
Emirates 2nd daily for the full year 16 (assuming 80% capacity factor on a 358 seat 77W) another 209k pax alone

With the second daily - wouldn't this most likely add something to domestic counts as well.

Example: someone flying RUH-DXB-BOS-DTW on EK/B6.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 15):
With the second daily - wouldn't this most likely add something to domestic counts as well.

Example: someone flying RUH-DXB-BOS-DTW on EK/B6.

Entirely possible, sadly no way to really figure that out unless we know the split between O&D and transit (for want of a better word).

If we assume the 209K additional coming in on Emirates have a majority push through B6 for the US and Porter for Canada, does B6 for example have enough capacity to ship them. I know Porter does as their capacities are usually in the 60% range, but there aren't many available seats on the B6 flights I have been on and it's not exactly like they have a huge fleet growth coming any time soon. Clearly the homework is being done and they will figure it out, but I would be curious to know if anyone has any insight into this.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:21 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 16):
Entirely possible, sadly no way to really figure that out unless we know the split between O&D and transit (for want of a better word).

I'm sure someone could verify with massport but I'm fairly confident a person doing that itinerary would count 1 for Middle East and one for domestic.

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 16):
but there aren't many available seats on the B6 flights I have been on

B6 overall BOS load factor is 80-85 so there is room.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:08 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 14):
Lots of info i grant you, but just goes to show the impact of all these additional flights BOS is getting... Good times Logan friends, good times..

Wow - this is great and thanks for pulling the stats. At this rate, it's almost certain that Logan will trump DTW and possibly MSP.

Exciting times with the new Logan - anyone has any latest update on AA-US Airways Terminal B shift?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:15 am

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 18):
Wow - this is great and thanks for pulling the stats. At this rate, it's almost certain that Logan will trump DTW and possibly MSP

Just for kicks, I did the comparison.

BOS July (direct from massport stats)

Domestic July 2,739,779
Domestic YTD 15,884,337

International July 600,626
International YTD 3,131,326

Total July 3,349,845
Total YTD: 19,060,629
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Comparatives:

DTW 2015 July (latest available from wcaa.us)

Domestic July 2,845,128
Domestic YTD 17,485,471

International July 277,348
International YTD 1,705,387

Total July 3,122,476
Total YTD: 19,190,858

130k more YTD, I agree, I think BOS is going to beat that...


MSP 2015 July (latest available) (includes Rev and Non-Rev) from airport website excel file.

Domestic July 3,332,949
Domestic YTD 19,568,005

International July 235,974
International YTD 1,662,071

Total July 3,568,923
Total YTD: 19,568,005

500K behind on this so might be a little more challenging, clearly a much bigger domestic number than international. But as Adamj8297 posted, with the additional international comes additional domestic, so over time this gap should close significantly if the pace of international growth continues.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:13 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 17):
I'm sure someone could verify with massport but I'm fairly confident a person doing that itinerary would count 1 for Middle East and one for domestic.

That's how they would do it. You cannot find out how many people fly to say New Zealand. Massport just counts you as a domestic passenger for people who fly say BOS-SFO-AKL.

The economy in the Boston area seems to be doing pretty well and has been stable over the last few years. Tourism is also quite strong too - this has me hopeful that all of the new service added in the last 3 years and scheduled to start in the next 10 months will last for a long time.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:58 am

A German tour operator has started marketing flights form Cologne to Boston, hence I can reveal a few more details now:
Eurowings will serve BOS three times per week, beginning 5/1/2016, on Tue, Thu and Sun

EW 186 CGN-BOS
EW 187 BOS-CGN

I have the departure times from Cologne only, and they vary slightly every day.

Tue 5:20p
Thu 4:25p
Sun 3:45p

With the late afternoon departure times, arrival in BOS will late in the evening, so no opportunity for onward connections.

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:35 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 21):
With the late afternoon departure times, arrival in BOS will late in the evening, so no opportunity for onward connections.

FRA-BOS on LH is timed at around 8 hours flight time. CGN is about 80-100 miles shorter, but for the sake of argument, lets assume they are effectively the same. (from great circle mapper) LH420 for example is timed to leave FRA at 5.55pm and arrive BOS at 7.50pm.

So allowing for the 6 hour time difference, we are looking at approximate arrival times of

Tues - 7.20pm
Thu - 6.25pm
Sat: 5.45pm

With those timings there are definitely connection opportunities for the later day departures across the country. The Tuesday flight will be a little more limited, but certainly Thursday and Saturday should be fine.

I hope this does well.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 21):
With the late afternoon departure times, arrival in BOS will late in the evening, so no opportunity for onward connections.

Thanks for the update! Can't wait for this to be loaded - Looking into Croatia this summer with a stopover somewhere else if the schedules work out.

I would say "not much opportunity" for connections even though we don't even know if B6 and EW will interline as of yet.

The sunday flight with an assumed 5:45 pm arrival may be able to feed B6 to MCO, TPA , FLL, PBI, DCA, DTW, LAX, JFK, BWI, RIC, STI, SDQ, SJU, and RDU. UA will also be able to feed to CLE (they have an 8:20pm depature as of right now in May). Some of these connections would be possible on the Thursday flight too. Not a lot of room for error on either day though.

Inbound (to CGN) connections seem good and better for the later flights though there's probably some longer layovers.

Playing around with what's on the CGN end right now!!!
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:02 pm

Has anyone heard how EL AL is doing on it's flight to and from TLV? I am hoping the route proves successful as I am hoping to see EL AL 787'S flying the route.

Is there any chance we might see SN return to BOS? BRU-BOS route 3 or 4 times weekly (possibly daily in the summer) might work if the flights were timed for African connections. I remember fondly flying the old SN late 70'S early 80'S several times. The service was good and Brussels was an airport fairly easy to connect in. Plus Brussels is a beautiful city with great food and drink!

I hope eventually to see TP return with service to LIS and LO with service to WAW. I think LO could be successful with 4 weekly flights and good connections to eastern European cities and Russia.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:04 pm

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 24):
Is there any chance we might see SN return to BOS?

No - BOS is slowly becoming Transatlantic LCC and ME3 infested - better to go to a *A hub anyways like ORD.
They are limited by planes as well. Finally LH is their puppeteer here anyways being a 45% owner. I think they've made their choice with going for both the top and bottom of the market with doubling ZRH and the 99.99% likely CGN flight next summer.


Quoting georgiabill (Reply 24):
BRU-BOS route 3 or 4 times weekly (possibly daily in the summer) might work if the flights were timed for African connections.

Though Africa-Boston is an emerging market for sure, Africa-Boston still isn't that big and a lot of the surge seen in the Brookings report was due to Cape Verde. I would ask yourself what does SN serve that the other European carriers, TK and ME3 do not. Also - I'm not sure that French speaking Africa and BOS is even on the charts.

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 24):
I hope eventually to see TP return with service to LIS and LO with service to WAW. I think LO could be successful with 4 weekly flights and good connections to eastern European cities and Russia.

I pray TP just buys out S4 for a Euro (obviously a lot more complicated than that) and takes over everything they currently do but instead make it 4 weekly LIS 3 weekly PDL operation possibly with weeklies to TER and maybe FNC.

If this doesn't happen, there's always a chance DY sniffs around LIS-BOS and I wouldn't be surprised if FR is considering it (shorter than their longest route ARN-TFS though they would need ETOPS 120)

Wasn't there a rumor about LO? It's not a crazy idea and they will take B6 feed. Like SN though, what do they offer that the others don't. Also, DY offers some European connections when they work out.

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 22):
I hope this does well.

It should and this appears to be heavily marketed towards the European market first and foremost.

A little bit of an anecdote: I have a few colleagues at work who visit the Balkans (mostly SJJ) at least once a year with their families and they will do stop-overs or long layovers whether in CGN CPH OSL or LGW if needed. They already are well aware of the new DY service and the savings you get for a family of 3-5.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:35 am

question: B6 has a travel alert for construction-related delays or inconvenience at BOS. Can somebody fill me in on what's happening at Terminal C these days that could cause inconvenience?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:08 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 25):

No - BOS is slowly becoming Transatlantic LCC and ME3 infested - better to go to a *A hub anyways like ORD.

And yet the LH group is the largest international airline group and *A is by far the largest alliance in BOS, for international traffic.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:29 pm

Yesterday flying through Boston I noticed “the Lounge” opposite gate 19 in terminal C. Looking back through some old Boston Aviation threads, I noticed a few posts about it from earlier in the year in Boston Aviation thread 3 but little real information. Looking online yields almost no information about this facility. Emirates website lists it as a partner lounge but provides no further information.

Does anyone have additional details about this lounge? Is it presently just operating as an EK lounge for the couple hours before each of EK’s departures? Is there a plan for B6 to take over if EK builds its own lounge in Terminal E?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:10 pm

Quoting EC99 (Reply 28):
Is there a plan for B6 to take over if EK builds its own lounge in Terminal E?

The lounge is for Emirates premium pax but obviously not a branded lounge.

Does anyone know if True Blue Mosiac members or Alaska MVP's can use it. Are there any plans for Mint pax as well?
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:43 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 29):
The lounge is for Emirates premium pax but obviously not a branded lounge.

If it is just for EK passengers, I’m not sure why they do not just call it an EK lounge. My only thought was that perhaps it isn’t up to their standards so instead they make it a partner lounge to avoid cheapening their brand.

This year old article indicated EK didn’t want to have a lounge to themselves due to their low flight volume. http://www.loungebuddy.com/jetblue-lounge-boston-logan-airport-rumor/

Perhaps going 2X daily makes it worthwhile for EK to keep this lounge exclusive. Still seems like a lot of expensive space that is likely pretty much empty for 18+ hours a day.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting tharanga (Reply 26):
question: B6 has a travel alert for construction-related delays or inconvenience at BOS. Can somebody fill me in on what's happening at Terminal C these days that could cause inconvenience?

I'm curious too about this as I'm flying out on B6 on Wed night and will be on a tight schedule to get thu security and on to my flight.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:58 pm

Quoting EC99 (Reply 30):
This year old article indicated EK didn’t want to have a lounge to themselves due to their low flight volume.

There's a lounge in SFO and there's only one flight though its A380.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:14 pm

Quoting EC99 (Reply 30):
If it is just for EK passengers, I’m not sure why they do not just call it an EK lounge. My only thought was that perhaps it isn’t up to their standards so instead they make it a partner lounge to avoid cheapening their brand.

I suspect it's just a temporary lounge because everything about EK's service from terminal C is temporary. Once the A380 gates at terminal E are completed EK will have their own permanent lounge there with direct gate access.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:32 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 29):
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TrueBlue mosaic members do not get any perks besides getting a fast access on the security line if the person is not TSA PreCheck. I honestly haven't got any perks other than some addnl. bonus miles and promotion offers.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:42 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 33):
Once the A380 gates at terminal E are completed EK will have their own permanent lounge there with direct gate access.

I wonder if they move when "C to E" is finished.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 31):
I'm curious too about this as I'm flying out on B6 on Wed night and will be on a tight schedule to get thu security and on to my flight.

Could you report on what you see and experience, in terms of construction at C?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:38 am

WW has added a new connecting destination for its service BOS.

Its Stockholm but one catch: VST instead of ARN and its over 60 miles to city center with a 90 minute $33 dollar bus ride.

However - Many sub 400 flights for next summer as we speak!!
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:02 am

Quoting tharanga (Reply 36):
Quoting airbazar (Reply 31):
I'm curious too about this as I'm flying out on B6 on Wed night and will be on a tight schedule to get thu security and on to my flight.

Could you report on what you see and experience, in terms of construction at C?

Nothing that would cause a delay, but maybe an inconvenience. There is construction at the check-in counters where they are giving a make-over to the former UA counters and it blocks part of the security checkpoint entrance, and then by C-17 area there is construction with limited seating for the gates in this area, which more impacts EK at night than B6. No delays.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:39 am

The construction is not really interfering with passenger ops much at this point.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:52 pm

Another transatlantic route?????

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/647141852299268096
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:39 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 40):
Another transatlantic route?????

Ok, now the questions come.

1. Are we thinking EI? I assume we are.
2. Can't be daily surely can it?
3. Where's the plane to run the route coming from, wet lease?
4. No pre-clear..

etc. etc.

very interesting if this happens.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:04 pm

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:05 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 42):
Rumour: Norwegian To Launch Cork-Boston

Not so sure it's a rumor, looking at the front page of the Irish Examiner, it's real, the only problem is, it's a pay only, so i can't read the story properly.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:19 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 43):
Not so sure it's a rumor, looking at the front page of the Irish Examiner, it's real, the only problem is, it's a pay only, so i can't read the story properly.

It says that the new service will be 3-weekly starting 2016, with the potential for increased frequencies from 2017. Announcement expected early next week.

Would Norwegian operate this with a Dreamliner or could a 737-800 make the cut?

[Edited 2015-09-24 17:21:16]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:29 am

Quoting 321neo (Reply 44):
Would Norwegian operate this with a Dreamliner or could a 737-800 make the cut?
https://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=96

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ORK-BOS

Based on these two, I would highly doubt it will be a 738, plus the winter wind issues. However I will be happily be proven wrong.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:51 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 45):
Quoting 321neo (Reply 44):
Would Norwegian operate this with a Dreamliner or could a 737-800 make the cut?
https://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=96



Based on these two, I would highly doubt it will be a 738, plus the winter wind issues. However I will be happily be proven wrong.
Great Circle Mapper

Based on this, I added the AS routes from BOS - operated on both 738/739 equipment. It's certainly do-able, but like others have said, without starting to take weight penalties and leaving bags behind, they'll need ideal winds en-route, otherwise there will be plenty of tech stops in YQX/YYT/YHZ  

[Edited 2015-09-25 01:30:01]

[Edited 2015-09-25 01:30:40]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:09 pm

From the dedicated thread Rumour: Norwegian To Launch Cork-Boston (by Jamie2k9 Sep 24 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting someone83 (Reply 26):
Press release from Norwegian

http://media.norwegian.com/en/#/pres...ton-new-york-and-barcelona-1224497

Quoting FCAA321 (Reply 23):
ORK BOS 4 Weekly on 738 starting May 2016.
ORK JFK on 738 starting 2017

The press release says:

Quote:
The new long-haul routes from Cork to Boston and New York will be serviced by B737-800 aircraft and the new B737MAX for which Norwegian Air International will be Boeings European launch customer.

As it says operated by 737-800 and 737MAX, I do assume that BOS obviously will be 737-800, but the reason why JFK is not untill 2017 it is because they need tyhe 737MAX which thay are scheduled to receive in 2017

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:24 pm

Quoting Icelandair75w (Reply 46):
It's certainly do-able, but like others have said, without starting to take weight penalties and leaving bags behind

I'm guessing no cargo on this flight would that help?

Some more perspective Its only 224 miles longer than SFO. I don't think they'll get 100% loads either.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 48):
I don't think they'll get 100% loads either.

And the worst of the winds will be in the winter when you would expect the loads to be at their lowest. Nevertheless, I'd assume YQX will see a few of these flights in Jan/Feb.

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