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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:12 pm

Quoting tharanga (Reply 36):
Could you report on what you see and experience, in terms of construction at C?

Didn't really see or experienced anything unusual. There is some construction out on the side of terminal C which does not seem to interfere with passenger flows. Clearing security took like 2 minutes, there was no line. It was 7:30pm so that time of night terminal C is really quiet.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 21):
Boston is unstoppable.

When everybody was amazed and focused on the "Asian expansion", BOS gets 5 new European routes in 5 different countries (London Gatwick, Copenhagen, Oslo, Cologne and Cork)

From: Rumour: Norwegian To Launch Cork-Boston (by Jamie2k9 Sep 24 2015 in Civil Aviation)

  

It is really amazing ... and a new trend ... how BOS has suddenly become the TATL LCC hub in the NE.

You should also add Thomas Cook to Manchester ... and the the two new "European" Caribbean routes to Guadeloupe and Martinique by Norwegian. Although a BOS-MAN route existed long before, and not sure if those should be considered 'French' or new Caribbean territories of their own ... but overall, definitely new additions in the TATL LCC game.

So, DY alone will have LGW, OSL, CPH, FDF, PTP, and ORH from BOS. Judging by the press release, a BCN route will not be too far away, and maybe a few more. Interesting times!

The Cologne-Bonn route is also very interesting ... I was there for a week this summer in the Bonn area, and this is by no means a small area. Bonn itself is cold war era capital artsy area ... but heavy urban/industrial areas and packed autobahns all around from Dusseldorf to Duisburg to Essen to Cologne to Bonn to Koblenz ... and CGN is a fairly big operation with the cargoes too. BOS was never served from DUS (I often wondered) ... but Eurowings has stepped in to fill this gap.
 
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Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:13 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 51):
It is really amazing ... and a new trend ... how BOS has suddenly become the TATL LCC hub in the NE.

I quite agree, and if you add in the other increases happening next year from elsewhere, I think we are looking at least another 1m pax (International and Domestic combined) coming through the doors total.

BOS by it's location makes it an ideal location for this type of arrangement, coupled with the domestic operations of primarily B6 and others for onward shipment (plus we have a reasonable O&D component here too). which is bigger in the past and now you are also seeing a kick for cruise passengers and holiday packages.

At the end of the day, I personally don't care whether it's LH/BA,WW,DY or FI or almost (can't believe I am saying this) FR bringing their business to BOS, it's all money for our economy either way, both in and out of Logan.

This is probably the way of the future for BOS if the expansion is to continue and being pretty much the biggest airport closest to Europe in the US, gives it a strategic advantage compared to some... New Airlines, New Destinations, love it. I just hope they all survive...  
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:44 am

Seems like things are shaping up for ORK-BOS to be operated by DY on the B738. Certainly interesting. I can only assume however, that they will not completely fill the aircraft on a regular basis, so it should not be a HUGE issue. As stated, come winter time, it's a whole different ball game.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:46 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 52):
if the expansion is to continue and being pretty much the biggest airport closest to Europe

BOS will certainly go ahead of MSP next year and who knows maybe MCO too in the ranks considering that QR is also starting their flight sometime March next year.

All good for BOS!
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:32 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 54):
BOS will certainly go ahead of MSP next year and who knows maybe MCO

I did the YTD Comparison with MSP above, and BOS is about 500K short YTD July 2015, so I agree should definitely pass MSP next year.

The equivalent numbers for MCO (who actually seem to publish way more stats than BOS and others. (source: http://orlandoairports.net/statistics/monthly/trfc201507.pdf)

July Domestic: 2,981,559
July International: 494,830

Total: 3,476,839

YTD Domestic: 20,083,043
YTD International: 2,892,192

Total: 22,975,235

Interestingly MCO provide a rolling 12 month number and that number is
Domestic: 32,638,650
International: 4,696,513
Total: 37,335,163

So based on that BOS has a long way to go to catch up. The July numbers are actually relatively close, but the winter cuts and reduction in flying out of BOS in the winter kill the comparison, with MCO being more consistent for the snow birds etc., the gap is technically widening as MCO is growing at a faster rate than BOS. So it's going to take an awful lot to bridge.

As I have noted before, current theory is about 33.2m for this year and over 34m-35m for next year if BOS gets a lot of connecting pax to domestic and vice versa). but while that's very impressive for BOS compared to history, it's signficantly short of being able to topple MCO.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:30 pm

This is showing on Norwegian's website:

"Flights to Boston from Manchester

We could not find any flights on the selected dates. 26. Sep 2015 20:26:24 (07)

Selected route is for sale from 14. May 2016. See first available days below."
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:56 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 56):

This is showing on Norwegian's website:

"Flights to Boston from Manchester

We could not find any flights on the selected dates. 26. Sep 2015 20:26:24 (07)

Selected route is for sale from 14. May 2016. See first available days below."

That comes up for any destination to BOS if you try a booking before 5/14 when the flights to Logan start - must be how DY programmed the site.

ORK is not even on DY's site yet as a destination.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:01 pm

What is going on with AA and US? Is AA going to move to the US side of B?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:39 pm

Notables from this weeks OAG thread

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

S4 BOS-TER DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2
VX BOS-SFO JAN 1.8>3 FEB 1.9>3 MAR 1.9>3 APR 1.9>3

BOS-TER is indeed bookable unlike a previous update which had a weekly BOS-LIS for the holidays.

Big jump for VX
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Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:56 pm

With CX, JL and HU offering non stops to Asia is there room for KE to fly SEL- BOS? Perhaps after they receive their 787'S. BOS has gained a lot of international service in the last few years. If there is a hole it is south america. Rumors of AV to BOG. Personally I hope for LA to fly BOS-LIM
 
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Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 60):
With CX, JL and HU offering non stops to Asia is there room for KE to fly SEL- BOS?

Personally I think there is, not just for the O&D but KE/ICN are better for connections than either of the above 3. HKG and PVG are too far south. PEK is not really a hub people want to fly thru and HU is really just catering to O&D demand. And NRT I believe it's mostly O&D too. Despite all of that I find it shocking that KE does not serve BOS.Their low density A332 would be ideal for the route.
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:25 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 59):
Big jump for VX

I like this, proves they are doing just fine on the route. I'm a little surprised they haven't done a little more with BOS, but I know that SFO/LAX is their base, so we are not likely to get a whole lot more out of them. Although BOS-DAL would be fun to see...

Lots of moving around from B6 in the OAG thread, but everything else seems to be pretty much a wash. I think with the impending International uplifts coming, some of the cuts that have happened may constrain capacity a little too much. We shall see. Certainly May-June time next year I wonder if we will see some increases coming..

I like others believe there is a slot for KE out there (plus the timings might be better for low peak access to E) and South America is a big gap. I have to believe there is a bigger market out there than just the Central American ones we have right now..
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:02 am

2nd daily DXB-BOS has departed and will arive tomorrow morning.

Flightaware says 77L was used.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE239/history/20150930/2320Z/OMDB/KBOS
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:57 am

I've heard EK changed from the 777-300 to 77L due to low bookings. Must just be for the winter, with a possible upgauge to 773 for the summer.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:49 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 62):
I have to believe there is a bigger market out there than just the Central American ones we have right now..

The problem to S.America is that the bigger markets are far away and outside the range of any narrowbody, even the upcoming A321LR.

Quoting Icelandair75w (Reply 64):
I've heard EK changed from the 777-300 to 77L due to low bookings.

That's not a surprise. It's October. It's going to be interesting next year when QR is here and EK doesn't have a spare 77L.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:07 pm

I wonder if once Logan can handle the 380, EK will drop down to 1 daily flight on the 388? Or do they feek the second daily is needed to arrive in DXB in time to connect to key routes?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:20 pm

Quoting Icelandair75w (Reply 64):
I've heard EK changed from the 777-300 to 77L due to low bookings. Must just be for the winter, with a possible upgauge to 773 for the summer.
Quoting airbazar (Reply 65):
That's not a surprise. It's October. It's going to be interesting next year when QR is here and EK doesn't have a spare 77L.

Have no fear, the 77L is only for the first 4 days. The second daily starts 77W ops Monday. Rest assured EK is committed to BOS and this new second flight. I wouldn't even be surprised that once BOS is A380 capable that not only does EK send the A380, but both flights stay.
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:23 pm

I was kind of surprised that BOS didn't follow the SEA model (77W + 77L) when it was announced. Maybe EK was more bullish on the B6 effect than they should have been.
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:46 pm

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 67):
the 77L is only for the first 4 days

This is a curious thing, do you happen to know why it's only 4 days they are sending it for? Equipment issues?

At the end of the day, I would take a 77W and 77L for 2 flights, still a big lift for Boston, but if the 77W is definitely coming for the 2nd flight, very happy indeed.  

I also agree about the A380, once its in here, I think the 2nd flight will stay, if they are moving significant cargo too, they will probably need it given the disparity in capacities between the two.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:46 pm

Surprisingly there's nothing in the Globe:

Just found one other website with the details of the 2nd EK flight

Quoting airbazar (Reply 65):
It's going to be interesting next year when QR is here
Ditto - is there a possibility that QR may codeshare with US/AA for feeder traffic? Just curious - can B6 codeshare simultaneously with EK and QR?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:57 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 70):

B6 already has a codeshare with both QR and EK. I wouldn't be surprised to see QR expand the codeshare to BOS markets:

http://blog.jetblue.com/index.php/20...hare-agreement-with-qatar-airways/
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:22 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 69):
This is a curious thing, do you happen to know why it's only 4 days they are sending it for? Equipment issues?

I don't know why they sent it, but curiously enough there is another thread started that today's DXB-GLA flight was also downgauged from the 77W to a 77L. Perhaps there's a few 77Ws in mx that required shuffling around some aircraft? Not really sure. For BOS EK only had 1 other option - the 77L. They couldn't send an A380 and the A332 is too small (pax & cargo) for that range. So the 77L it was.
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:01 pm

I had also heard that AF/BA/EK have committed to flying the A380 to Boston, although that obviously has yet to be confirmed. "Hearsay."
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:59 pm

Am I the only one who thinks that BOS border control is becoming a real bottleneck? My last few flights have been awful with 5-6 widebodies arriving about the same time and huge lines at the border ... The new machines for US citizens also slow down the process I think. It didn't look like non-citizens were having much fun either...

I am really worried about my future returns ... with all the new service the lines are going to be much longer.

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting motif1 (Reply 74):
I am really worried about my future returns ... with all the new service the lines are going to be much longer.

Two simple words for BOS CBP now - Global Entry.
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:11 pm

Quoting hinckley (Reply 75):
s for BOS CBP now - Global Entry.

Global Entry is so amazing and I highly recommend it for anyone who can get it.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:43 am

Looks like, the current round of Terminal E expansion is only a temporary. Massport is having pretty big plans:
http://www.bostonherald.com/business...9/logan_chief_terminal_e_must_grow

It would be interesting to know where exactly they will grow. At this stage, looks like they are working with East Boston communities - wow - an even bigger Logan and maybe a new terminal!

With the global Logan, another interesting article: http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle.../xPy3FlZLPJoUCYO1P6YgQI/story.html
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:38 am

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 77):
Looks like, the current round of Terminal E expansion is only a temporary. Massport is having pretty big plans:

7 gates, of which 3 are being built, so another 4 to come, with phase 1 by 2021, that's pretty aggressive to have that done, but clearly they see additional markets out there to go after otherwise why not stop at the 3 extra being built.

I think we all see expansion possibilities still about. DY is ramping up its options and i still firmly believe another flight or two from middle/North England (BHX and more from MAN spring to mind) is there for the taking, plus additional capacity from LGW should the DY flight do well. People have talked about TAP too...

So who knows, it sounds like a case of if we build it they will come, and given the numbers i've seen so far, they definitely have. Capacity factors are in the right range and I still see little cannibalization of the more veteran routes. As more gets added I have to think some of that will happen, but it's difficult to prove unless the numbers slow down on the growth.

Rough estimates put the additional international pax (excluding domestic connections) at least in the 500K-700K range for 2016 (there will be roughly 180K from the 2nd EK Daily alone). So the improvements cannot come soon enough.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:55 am

Quoting Icelandair75w (Reply 64):

I've heard EK changed from the 777-300 to 77L due to low bookings. Must just be for the winter, with a possible upgauge to 773 for the summer.
Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 72):
I don't know why they sent it, but curiously enough there is another thread started that today's DXB-GLA flight was also downgauged from the 77W to a 77L. Perhaps there's a few 77Ws in mx that required shuffling around some aircraft? Not really sure. For BOS EK only had 1 other option - the 77L. They couldn't send an A380 and the A332 is too small (pax & cargo) for that range. So the 77L it was.

EKs currently 107 strong (!!!!) 777-300ER fleet is composed of 36 aircraft with higher MTOWs and the mandatory aft overhead crew rest for flights above 12 hour block time. 6 of these aircraft are 349t MTOW and the other 30 are 351t MTOW (the highest MTOW Boeing offers). Hence only these 36 aircraft are dispatched on the DXB-BOS-DXB flights.

With SFO/LAX/DFW/IAH going to the A388, there was quite some slack for a while in this fleet, which EK internally designates the -300ULR. However, with recent changes including BOS, the fleet is now in significantly higher demand. Operationally they are rotated anywhere from 1h DXB-DOH flights to 14hour DXB-GRU flights and any other route you will commonly find the 3 class configured 340t MTOW birds on.

Although EK has had quite some lead time planning ahead for the second daily BOS flight, delays down route and -300ULR aircraft having to swap in for other -300ERs, have left EK with a shortage for a few days.

Anytime a aircraft is delayed or goes technical, and there are swaps taking place (daily occurrence for a operation this size), the results of which are like a domino effect that takes a few days and sometimes weeks to go back to the originally intended rotation for a aircraft, which in itself is based on operational factors such as certain routes requiring certain aircraft, maintenance etc.).

Furthermore it is essential that the -300ULR fleet does its share of non-ULR flying because doing at or near MTOW departures out of DXB in 30-40C temps would result in far too many TOGA takeoffs thus bringing the GE90s on the -300ULR fleet into the shop at a far greater rate. Something that is avoided thanks to the dispatch and fleet planning software making sure that the ULR fleet is rotated through the system accordingly. This resulting in the best balance between airframe cycles/hours and ensures that the engines on this fleet are operated with the intended on wing time between shop visits.

The 10 strong -200LR fleet is of course also fitted with a aft upper crew rest and thus is the perfect and only substitute for the -300ULR, as in this case for a few days!

Side note: When Delta received its MD-11s and struggled with the LAX-HKG westbound sector, due to the MD11s performance shortfalls (specifically the engines) they designated two or three frames to operate that sector with increased MTOWs and if I recall correctly a additional AUX tank (hence the MD11ER designation) and the various other PiP (performance improvement package's) that MD gradually developed (under great pressure). However, because these two/three aircraft were the only ones in the fleet capable of operating this flight with a meaningful payload, they were exclusively used on this rotation. The result of which was at/near MTOW departures on every flight and hence almost always requiring TOGA thrust (especially out of LAX). This resulted in a far more rapid performance degradation of the already under performing PW4460s and hence offset quite a bit of the fuel burn improvement achieved with the PiPs.

[Edited 2015-10-01 22:16:04]

[Edited 2015-10-01 22:16:50]
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:55 am

What needs to be taken into consideration regarding the 7 gate expansion, is that the 3 new gates are not essentially "new", as gates E7B-E8A-E8B are all being taken out, terminal expansion made, and gates made for A380's. Basically, back to square one, just capable of handling a larger plane.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 76):

Global Entry is so amazing and I highly recommend it for anyone who can get it.

For a non-citizen who was once used to spend hours in immigration lines, it's funny to see people praise Global entry for such a minimal amount of time savings. I'm a permanent resident now so I get to use the citizen lines at Logan and I've never had to wait more than 10 minutes in line so it's really hard for me to imagine how one can justify Global Entry. Unless of course you're a foreign citizen from one of the few countries in the Global Entry program, and need to travel to the U.S. often.

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 78):
7 gates, of which 3 are being built, so another 4 to come, with phase 1 by 2021, that's pretty aggressive to have that done, but clearly they see additional markets out there to go after otherwise why not stop at the 3 extra being built.

The 3 gates being built now are "reconstruction" of existing gates. they are not additions. Expanding terminal E to the North should easily make 4 new gates available. As for a new terminal, the only place I see that happening is where the long term parking garage currently exists.
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Quoting Icelandair75w (Reply 80):
What needs to be taken into consideration regarding the 7 gate expansion, is that the 3 new gates are not essentially "new", as gates E7B-E8A-E8B are all being taken out, terminal expansion made, and gates made for A380's. Basically, back to square one, just capable of handling a larger plane.

  
Also, lets not forget that WN's former gates at terminal E could be converted to International gates fairly easily and those are exactly the kind of gates BOS will need for further LCC international expansion. Airlines like WW, FI, B6, CM, DY could all use those gates instead of taking up valuable widebody gates as they do today.

Edit:
One more thing to add regarding wait times.
“We saw a 10 percent increase in passengers, and a 30 percent increase in wait times,” Glynn said. “I think we’ll see some relief in that regard.”
This is not a BOS problem but a Federal government problem. I've been saying for years that the current system is not scalable and these numbers prove it.

[Edited 2015-10-02 05:55:52]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:58 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 81):
Looks like my back of the napkin drawing from a few years ago is finally taking shape  

Doesn't that plan destroy the 3 A380 gates currently being built? Its also an old picture that does not include the B6 hangar and economy garage.

In order to avoid that and avoid losing all remaining RON parking it may have to be a single sided concourse closer to the road. For better/worse it would require UPS to relocate to the south cargo area. Cargo would now be consolidated though more congested
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:00 pm

In addition to adding more gates, I'd like to see Massport really expand E and remove the parking in front of E and expand the terminal that way. Then you would have a nice large expansion to make the boarding areas bigger, club areas bigger, food and concessions areas bigger, etc.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:25 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 83):
remove the parking in front of E

All Massport parking lots already max out during peak times throughout the year as it is
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:41 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 83):
remove the parking in front of E

I hope they keep the lot. It is a great convenience!
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:49 pm

Massport did an Emergency Drill with JL 787 today from the pictures posted on facebook.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:42 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 82):

Doesn't that plan destroy the 3 A380 gates currently being built? Its also an old picture that does not include the B6 hangar and economy garage.

That drawing was done way before there was a consolidated rental car facility, before both sides of terminal B were connected, and if you look closely the B6 hangar is still there but in a new location, and the parking garage removed. Yes that drawing "destroys" the A380 gates but the idea remains the same and that is: extent terminal E to the North.

So imagine if you will, extending the "A380 pier" further along Service Rd. past the gas station. That would essentially serve the same purpose as what I have drawn.

Quoting motif1 (Reply 85):
I hope they keep the lot. It is a great convenience!

They can relocate it. Getting rid of all the individual rental car lots has freed up a lot of space in that area.
Having said that I don't think they are looking at doing anything that drastic. I suspect Massport will just continue to add to terminal E. They've already demolished the AA hangar for that   And I think we will see the former WN gates transformed into international gates. That's 7 "new" gates right there compared to today's count (3 A380 + 4 ex-WN).
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:47 pm

Quoting Icelandair75w (Reply 73):

I had also heard that AF/BA/EK have committed to flying the A380 to Boston, although that obviously has yet to be confirmed. "Hearsay."

LH as well - all 4 have committed and EK will keep a 773 in the AM and A380 in the PM, as well as moving back to Terminal E. Part of the A380 expansion includes building lounge space on top of the existing Terminal E, creating a 4th floor, with EK and LH already planning to have part of the new lounge space.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:44 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 88):

Wouldn't be a surprise to me with LH, but I've heard they're content with their summer schedule operating 1x 748, 1x 744, and 1x 346, and that they have no intent to add the A380.

I used my MS paint skills and drafted where I think Terminal E should be in the next few years. Trust me, I'm an architect.      

 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:15 am

How many more A380s does BA have on the books? If none, which city will it get yanked from?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:52 am

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 90):
How many more A380s does BA have on the books? If none, which city will it get yanked from?

Last time I checked, probably mid-summer, the total # in the fleet was nine.

[Edited 2015-10-02 17:53:28]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:45 am

Quoting 33Lspotter (Reply 91):
Last time I checked, probably mid-summer, the total # in the fleet was nine.

yep 9 delivered, also confirmed from the airbus order book, 3 left to deliver from the initial order of 12, which i suspect will be it for now.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:16 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A380_orders_and_deliveries

This has nice charts that shows A380 order details. Interesting to know who the "Unidentified customers" are  

Nevertheless, EK trumps the complete list with a lion's share of orders!
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:47 pm

I know massport stated 4 airlines showed interest in A380 service so it has to be EK, AF, BA, LH unless SQ and maybe EY were kicking the tires on a fifth freedom European route. VS has some on the books too so they may have inquired to run it seasonally.


Quoting VS4ever (Reply 92):
yep 9 delivered, also confirmed from the airbus order book, 3 left to deliver from the initial order of 12, which i suspect will be it for now.
Quoting iyerhari (Reply 93):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A380_orders_and_deliveries

BA could get more quicker if needed especially with Transaero probably going the way of the dodo. They have 4 on the books to be delivered for 2015-16.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:56 pm

Could the old terminal D be rebuilt and used for international flights? In the late 70'S and 80'S AZ flew out of D using 767ER'S . Air Tran I believe had two gates until merged with WN. I could see 3 or 4 gates for airlines using 737'S, 757'S and A320'S and freeing up E for widebodies.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:52 pm

There is nothing to really rebuild. The gates that used to be terminal D did not go away, they were renamed to . Terminal E gates 1C, 1D and 1E. Until recently I believe that Southwest used them, and Southwest moved to terminal A in order to use those gates for more international operations. There is also a project to connect terminal C to E airside by those gates.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:03 pm

Quoting Icelandair75w (Reply 89):
I used my MS paint skills and drafted where I think Terminal E should be in the next few years. Trust me, I'm an architect.

Nice job. I hope you didn't go to college to learn that   
And I agree with your assessment of where terminal E is headed  
Quoting tlecam (Reply 96):
There is nothing to really rebuild. The gates that used to be terminal D did not go away, they were renamed to . Terminal E gates 1C, 1D and 1E.

  
Although those games can be used for international departures they cannot be used for international arrivals. That would require building a sterile corridor to the immigration hall. EI has been using at least one of those gates since they have pre-clearance.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 97):

Gates E1A and E1B have both been modified with a sterile hallway leading to the Customs hall, and thus, can indeed be utilized for international arrivals!

The lead in line for gate E2A has also changed, making it capable of accommodating up to an A333. E1B is limited to B763 or smaller, and E1A is limited to a Q400 whenever the adjacent gates are occupied.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 6

Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:30 pm

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