Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:30 am

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ridgid727 · Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:07 pm

Any word on how the PenAir ops in CEC and PDX are progressing?

32andBelow · Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:08 pm

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 1):
Any word on how the PenAir ops in CEC and PDX are progressing?

The first 6 flights have been completed with a few minor delays.

Wingtips56 · Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:25 pm

Most have departed CEC ahead of schedule, and arrivals are either a little ahead of schedule or only a couple of minutes behind (air times, per FlightAware). KS 162 flew over my house a while back, in the air one minute after scheduled departure time, indicating it left the gate early. Of course there were probably very few people boarded, this early in service.

All arrivals and departures so far have gone right over my house, which is cool!

Wingtips56 · Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:30 pm

Anybody hear anything new on the KS PDX-LMT schedule? Is it a go?

Airnerd · Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:59 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 4):
Anybody hear anything new on the KS PDX-LMT schedule? Is it a go?

I believe the hangup is waiting for the TSA to commit to reestablishing a security presence at the airport. Unfortunately, it sounds like that could take a while. Penair originally said they'd like to start the service in November. Now the airport's web page says they're hoping for early next year.

Wingtips56 · Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:02 pm

I guess the difference is that KS committed to CEC before OO stopped flying, so it was known the presence would be needed after a hiatus. CEC TSA workers pulled shifts at ACV for the interim. Whereas OO pulled out of LMT earlier, with no replacement on the horizon, so I'm sure everything was disbanded with no sign of a need to return. So now they have to start from scratch. Bummer.

Maybe it means KS will shift their next target to one of the other routes mentioned: PDX-RDD/ACV. I don't want them to lose momentum on building PDX.

RWA380 · Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 5):
I believe the hangup is waiting for the TSA to commit to reestablishing a security presence at the airport. Unfortunately, it sounds like that could take a while. Penair originally said they'd like to start the service in November. Now the airport's web page says they're hoping for early next year.

This is still what the KS website says, but it's not listed as a destination & they are still not selling tickets, so I'm sure you are correct about this situation, As was mentioned by Wingtips56, I hope the KS momentum continues forward at PDX.

http://www.penair.com/destinations/westcoast

[Edited 2015-09-17 13:45:20]

pdx · Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:29 am

Hmmmm. Looking at their seat maps on alaskaair.com (KS) their flights to/from PDX aren't even half full. I hope this isn't discouraging to them, however I think customers may not want to fly north to get south. This may affect their future? I certainly agree and want their momentum to skyrocket! Haven't been to PDX yet. Is their ticket counter with AS? Why are they using gate E6? I read on a.net (somewhere) that E6 was closed in preparation for the expansion/remodel. Can't wait for that!!

RWA380 · Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:50 am

Quoting pdx (Reply 8):
Looking at their seat maps on alaskaair.com (KS) their flights to/from PDX aren't even half full. I hope this isn't discouraging to them,

As is often the case in smaller communities that have had gaps in service North for some time. The Crescent City / Brookings OR area is better served with a connection to PDX than with SFO, It takes time to cultivate new markets & KS should know this.

Quoting pdx (Reply 8):
however I think customers may not want to fly north to get south.

Well if that persons destination is California, then a drive to ACV & you can head south, otherwise that part of California is more tied in with Oregon than California, I think the CEC-PDX flight (which has operated on & off for over 50 years) is a city best served with their friendly neighbor to the North.

Quoting pdx (Reply 8):
I read on a.net (somewhere) that E6 was closed in preparation for the expansion/remodel. Can't wait for that!!

I heard soon, then these flights go out of some gate on D, with the intent of KS & AS being near each other in the future.

32andBelow · Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:23 pm

Quoting pdx (Reply 8):

Hmmmm. Looking at their seat maps on alaskaair.com (KS) their flights to/from PDX aren't even half full. I hope this isn't discouraging to them, however I think customers may not want to fly north to get south. This may affect their future? I certainly agree and want their momentum to skyrocket! Haven't been to PDX yet. Is their ticket counter with AS? Why are they using gate E6? I read on a.net (somewhere) that E6 was closed in preparation for the expansion/remodel. Can't wait for that!!

If the flights were full it probably would not be subsidized...Generally 50% on an EAS route is pretty good.

PDX88 · Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:30 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):
I heard soon, then these flights go out of some gate on D, with the intent of KS & AS being near each other in the future.

When E6 closes for renovations, KS and K5 will both consolidate in concourse B.

flyoregon · Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:09 pm

This has got to be one of the worst articles written as it relates to aviation. The biggest annoyances:

-Alaskan Airline (apparently the reporter didn't have time to add an 's' to the end of 'airline' throughout the "article."

-65 passenger plane...try 70.

Needless to say, it's not winning any Pulitzer Prizes.

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An Alaskan Airline flight made an emergency landing at Rogue Valley International Airport Wednesday September 16, 2015. (KTVL/Justin Matthews)

By KTVL Staff/KTVL.com

MEDFORD-- A 65 passenger plane made an emergency landing at Rogue Valley International Airport in Medford Wednesday afternoon.

The Alaska Airline flight contracted through Skywest was headed from Portland to Santa Barbara when it made the emergency landing around 3:30 p.m.

Skywest says an emergency indicator light was illuminated, but airport administration is not sure what caused it.

Passengers got off the plane without having to use emergency procedures.

Alaska Airlines says it provided food to the passengers while they waited.

The passengers will board a different plane to continue onto Santa Barbara and will arrive at 6:15 p.m..

http://www.ktvl.com/shared/news/top-...ories/stories/ktvl_vid_17624.shtml

lhpdx · Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:17 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 33):
I understood the first eight delivered to OO are spoken for already with adds like PDX-STL/MSP/OMA & the additional 7 were just replacing the CR7's. I guess the question is will every route currently being flown with a CR7 get an E-175 instead?

I'm unsure of routes like SEA/PDX-SBA for instance, can support the premium cabin on the E-175, although I doubt the Q-400 is the answer for a route of that length.

Starting in 2017, Alaska is looking to add 30 new E175's over a five year period. Those may go to Horizon if they can provide a competitive bid, otherwise I imagine they'll go to Skywest. I don't know when the CR7's are scheduled to leave the fleet, but definitely there will be room for expansion with the E175's starting in 2017.

With all of these new planes on the book, I wonder what we can expect out of PDX in the next 5 years.......

BoeingGuy · Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:03 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 12):
This has got to be one of the worst articles written as it relates to aviation. The biggest annoyances:

-Alaskan Airline (apparently the reporter didn't have time to add an 's' to the end of 'airline' throughout the "article."

-65 passenger plane...try 70.

Needless to say, it's not winning any Pulitzer Prizes.

Most media reporting of transportation is very poor quality. I'd be fired in a minute if I ever did my job that incompetently. How long does it take to check facts?

How about the recent article from a Medford Newspaper that said that HU is starting a EUG-PEK flight and WN is starting a EUG-DAL flight.

Or how about the multitude of articles that listed GOL as one of the world's most dangerous airlines because they were doing everything right, but a business jet with its transponder and TCAS accidentally off slammed into them.

910A · Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:04 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):
As is often the case in smaller communities that have had gaps in service North for some time. The Crescent City / Brookings OR area is better served with a connection to PDX than with SFO, It takes time to cultivate new markets & KS should know this.

I can't remember the last time service went north from CEC, maybe AS Fluggeselischaft mbH">RW with he F-27 back in the early 1970's?

The Crescent City market has changed since Pelican Bay State Prison opened in 1989. With the staff member at the prison almost all have connections to California, therefore the market is south, and AS doesn't offer that much service east from PDX. It really hurt when Skywest did away with CEC-ACV-SMF, which was the state employee express to the capitol. There were always DOC staff traveling out on the morning flight and returning in the evening.

I received an email from the county airport manager last week, stating the #1 job is to press KS to get more interline agreements out of PDX.

Wingtips56 · Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:22 pm

Quoting 910A (Reply 15):
It really hurt when Skywest did away with CEC-ACV-SMF, which was the state employee express to the capitol. There were always DOC staff traveling out on the morning flight and returning in the evening.

Not too bad for the few people coming from Sactown to CEC, but lost the market for CEC-originators, though, when OO reduced it to a very early flight northbound from SMF (to ACV/CEC), with an evening return. It turned a single meeting in the Capitol into a three day trip. Making the connection over SFO was always risky, and several times, some of our County Supervisors got stuck at SFO, had to rent cars and drive all the way back up.

Ideally CEC will regain SFO service at some point, but it needs to be a good schedule ... early out southbound (for better connections and beat the mid-morning ATC bog-down at SFO), with a later departure coming back North. The last few years of the OO schedule sucked. .... the last one that used to leave at 4:30p was too early for a lot of inbound connections.

I'm afraid the KS schedule has the last flight from PDX leaving possibly too early for some connects as well, but it is more likely to get in here before the late evening fog rolls in, and allows a single crew on the overnight turn-around. (More economical than having two crews put up for the night.)

My sister-in-law arrived yesterday on a SMF-PDX-CEC connection and other than the long walk at PDX from A to E (she's 75), she was favorably impressed with the KS product and on-board comfort.

For those watching loads, it arrived with 8 pax plus an infant. Not too bad for a Sunday and on only the 6th day of operation. And spot on-time. They've all be on-time arriving and departing except for two departures delayed by the morning fog. But the planes were here, at least.

RWA380 · Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:28 pm

Quoting 910A (Reply 15):
I can't remember the last time service went north from CEC, maybe AS Fluggeselischaft mbH">RW with he F-27 back in the early 1970's?

Indeed RW was the last operator of the CEC-PDX route, but don't forget RW also served MFR, OTH, CVO & RBG during that time period, which means the majority of service was North vs South at one time. The fact CEC is in CA is the of course the reason you'll have people heading to the state capital, that happens here too.

I guess what I'm saying is that people in Crescent City do a lot of business in Oregon, of course being so close to the border it's natural, plus Oregon doesn't have sales tax.

Quoting 910A (Reply 15):
It really hurt when Skywest did away with CEC-ACV-SMF, which was the state employee express to the capitol.

I am surprised since ACV is part of California & California is a big state, that there isn't a state run aircraft that would move people around from place to place for government business.

Quoting 910A (Reply 15):
I received an email from the county airport manager last week, stating the #1 job is to press KS to get more interline agreements out of PDX.

I agree the KS service would be more attractive with some other airline connections, although AS is the majority of lift from PDX. What other carriers do you think KS would be welcomed to? AA, Y4, FI, DE?

IMHO, It won't be DL since KS is so tied in with AS nor UA, since PDX is such a small dot on the UA map now. NK & WN don't interline with anyone & now you're down to VX (1 flight a day that doesn't connect to any KS CEC flight), HA (which means an overnight on the return or outbound), AC, F9, B6 & K5.

BlatantEcho · Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:35 pm

Flew PDX-STL-PDX Fri/Sun this weekend on the -175. Nice ride (got the same registration on both days...grrr, but figure they only have a couple flying so far).

4A and 2A on the return. Very comfortable and quiet. Wide windows.
Plane was almost full on both flights, so that is cool to see.

The St. Louis airport is miserable... all of concourse D mothballed... it's about 1/3 as busy as it was at it's peak with TWA, so I understand, but man.

Anyway, love that AS is flying this route, think it will do just fine.
MCI + MSP should do fine too, no doubt. Still no idea if OMA will work out at all.

Airnerd · Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:48 pm

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 18):
4A and 2A on the return. Very comfortable and quiet. Wide windows.
Plane was almost full on both flights, so that is cool to see.

That's 1st, right? How was that experience with OO on the 175? Comparable to AS on a 737?
Hot food?

32andBelow · Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:58 pm

KS already has interline agreements with UA and DL.

BlatantEcho · Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:09 am

Yeah I got the upgrade both ways (I'm gold)

Good was terrible. Just Inedible compared to normal AS first.
Otherwise I loved the plane. Great ride.

RWA380 · Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:32 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 20):
KS already has interline agreements with UA and DL.

At PDX? If that's the case then there is nothing for KS to go after that is worthwhile at PDX if they have both DL & AS. You certainly can't buy through fare tickets on them, it's still two separate tickets even if booked in the same PNR.

32andBelow · Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:35 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 22):
At PDX? If that's the case then there is nothing for KS to go after that is worthwhile at PDX if they have both DL & AS. You certainly can't buy through fare tickets on them, it's still two separate tickets even if booked in the same PNR.

You can definitely book from CEC onwards on UA and check your bag all the way through. Correct no thru pricing, but that would be more of a codeshare no?

RWA380 · Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:45 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 23):
You can definitely book from CEC onwards on UA and check your bag all the way through. Correct no thru pricing, but that would be more of a codeshare no?

That is what I was originally responded to, although I may have used the term interline in my language.

UnitedFlyer · Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:34 am

Was at LMT yesterday and looked through the door into the terminal. No KS signage or anything....Hopefully soon once the TSA is re-established..

flyoregon · Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:48 pm

The Port of Portland released stats for Port operated airports (which include PDX as most know) today for August 2015. The most interesting data found below:

Condor:......................Total Pax:...3,771.......No. Flts:....16......Avg Pax/Flt: 236............LF:...96%

Icelandair:..................Total Pax:...2,768.......No. Flts:....16......Avg Pax/Flt: 173............LF:...95%

Volaris:......................Total Pax:...4,412.......No. Flts:....28......Avg Pax/Flt: 158.............LF:...91%

-Passenger count is up YTD 4.0% with 11,138,810 YTD August 2015 and 10,706,849 August 2014.

-Passenger traffic is up 7.7% August 2015 over August 2014 with 1,712,796 and 1,590,325 respectively.

International Passenger Traffic is found below:

Total International :.........2015:.....66,655..........2014:......54,999.....%Chg:.....21.2%
Total Enplaned:...............2015:.....32,315..........2014:......27,046....%Chg:......19.5%
Total Deplaned:...............2015:.....34,340..........2014:......27,953....%Chg:......22.8%

Worth mentioning that both Alaska & Delta saw 20%+ increase in passenger numbers YTD.

Also, outside of PDX, Troutdale Airport has seen a 29.2% increase in operations YTD, while Hillsboro saw a -12.4% decrease. I suspect that is due to a shift in training to Troutdale from Hillsboro Aero Academy.

In all, nice to see operations going strong on most fronts.

Source: http://www.portofportland.com/Aviation_Stat.aspx

ANA787 · Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:04 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 26):

Wow great numbers. Was august 2015 the busiest month PDX has ever seen?

These strong numbers will only attract more service to PDX. Cmon BA to LHR.

[Edited 2015-09-22 11:08:24]

flyoregon · Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:11 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 27):
Wow great numbers. Was august 2015 the busiest month PDX has ever seen?

It would seem so. I went back to 2007 which was the highest year for passenger count besides 2014, and August 2007 saw 1,460,804 passengers.

In fairness, I haven't gone through every single August, but did a simple audit based on yearly stats.

flyoregon · Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:22 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 27):
These strong numbers will only attract more service to PDX. Cmon BA to LHR.

Yes! Would love it! I think it's only a matter of time.

UnitedFlyer · Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:01 am

Did I hear correctly the QX crew base in MFR is closing?

ANA787 · Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:17 pm

Looks like DL is going all mainline PDX-LAX starting June 2016. Delta always adds more and more at PDX year over year. Anyone think PDX-CDG will be around the corner next? Seasonal PDX-CDG wouldn't surprise me one bit. The port actually is talking PDX-CDG with DL according to the below link.
http://www.opb.org/news/article/5-ne...l-flights-from-pdx-by-this-summer/

flyoregon · Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:08 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 31):
Looks like DL is going all mainline PDX-LAX starting June 2016. Delta always adds more and more at PDX year over year. Anyone think PDX-CDG will be around the corner next? Seasonal PDX-CDG wouldn't surprise me one bit. The port actually is talking PDX-CDG with DL according to the below link.http://www.opb.org/news/article/5-ne...l-flights-from-pdx-by-this-summer/

It says the Port has had some discussion...hardly a prelude to a PDX-CDG flight. British Airways to LHR makes a lot more sense than CDG with an unraveling AS/DL relationship. If you asked the Port if they've had coversations with Air New Zealand or Qantas to AKL or SYD, they'd probably say "yes, we've talked to them." It means absolutely nothing.

It's like when there was that thread about BA to SLC and Utahns were dead sure that BA was coming to SLC. Airport authorities and airlines talk all the time, it doesn't mean a thing other than they're talking. Airlines listen to a pitch, then more often than not, put that pitch in a file cabinet, and think about it maybe once a year. Some airports get more thought given to them than others. BA to SLC was not one of them. BA to PDX on the other hand, very well could be due to several factors.

lhpdx · Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:53 pm

Y4 PDX-GDL NOV 0.3>0.5 DEC 0.3>0.5 JAN 0.3>0.4 FEB 0.3>0.5 APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.4 JUN 0.3>0.4

flyoregon · Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Delta operated PDX-NRT with a 772 again today which I believe was a published a/c substitution over the regular 763 ops. Were the loads on these specific 777 days higher than what a 763 could accommodate? Does anyone have access to data to support that?

bigfoot0503 · Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:42 pm

It appears that PDX will see its' first DL A330-300 242t aircraft with the arrival of DL 179 from AMS on Tuesday October 6, 2015. This particular aircraft (N824NW) is one of three new aircraft that Delta has taken delivery of from Airbus since May 2015. For the operators of this particular A330-300 model it represents a performance enhancement that allows an increased Maximum Takeoff Weight (MTOW) and a bit more payload/range offering.

I've looked through various flight tracking databases and did not find any information that indicates that PDX has seen any of the new A330 models from DL (N822NW, N823NW & N824NW).

Delta 179 is scheduled from AMS-PDX with an arrival of 11:46. The aircraft will be on the ground for around 2 hours and then operate Delta 178 PDX-AMS, departing at 13:56. Enjoy the Delta A330 aircraft while you can...as the winter schedule will soon see the PDX-AMS flight operated with a B767-300.

910A · Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:26 pm

With the President traveling to Roseburg on Friday, anyone knows which airport he is flying into? Neither EUG or MFR are close, and Roseburg only has a 4,000ft runaway or perhaps is he taking Marine 1 from one of these airports?

RWA380 · Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:53 pm

Quoting 910A (Reply 36):
Roseburg only has a 4,000ft runaway or perhaps is he taking Marine 1 from one of these airports?

The 757's can do it n/s from Washington D.C. not sure the requirements those specialty birds have on T.O.

910A · Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:35 pm

I remember when President Bush stopped at MFR during the 1992 election season, he flew in on a C-20 or C-21.

lhpdx · Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:44 am

When does E6 close at PDX and construction on the extension suppose to commence?

BlatantEcho · Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:53 am

Ugh, just had to book PDX-SEA-LHR to get to London for a trade show again.
I booked Delta as Economy Comfort was still less than BA World Traveller.

Anyway, for the love of god, we need an afternoon Europe flight. I don't really care if it's BA or LH or AirFrance (though, they would be the last one in the world these days). Just need a 4pm departure that gets into Europe ~11am.

RWA380 · Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:53 am

Quoting 910A (Reply 38):

I remember when President Bush stopped at MFR during the 1992 election season, he flew in on a C-20 or C-21.

Given this article it mentions that the C-32 is able to operate info fields with a 5,000 ft runway, so if RBG is only 4,000 I guess that C-32 isn't going to handle the job. I just don't see the President making the trip in a Gulfstream.

http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets...tabid/224/Article/104518/c-32.aspx

flyoregon · Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:33 am

A couple C-17's flew into Eugene yesterday evening to drop off 'Marine One'. The helicopter and two presidential V-22's were in Eugene and Roseburg. It's presumed that AF1 will land in EUG with the president transiting to RBG via helicopter.

RWA380 · Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:35 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 42):
A couple C-17's flew into Eugene yesterday evening to drop off 'Marine One'. The helicopter and two presidential V-22's were in Eugene and Roseburg. It's presumed that AF1 will land in EUG with the president transiting to RBG via helicopter.

I guess the 747 requires some lights to be moved at the end of the runway at Mahlon Sweet according to another poster.
I remember when Michelle came out to Corvallis & her & the two girls came in on a 757, but also into Eugene, IIRC.

flyoregon · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:51 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 43):
I guess the 747 requires some lights to be moved at the end of the runway at Mahlon Sweet according to another poster.
I remember when Michelle came out to Corvallis & her & the two girls came in on a 757, but also into Eugene, IIRC.

I believe it was the C-40, but I don't remember for sure.

As far as moving lights to accommodate the 747, I find that a little hard to believe. That would mean if there was to be a diversion of a 747 and EUG was the best place to land for that situation, they'd have to move the lights? Of course it's possibly true, but seems unlikely. Would love to be proven wrong on this one though.

Clinton flew AF1 into EUG after Thurston in '98. Sadly, both visits come on the heels of a horribly tragic situation.

RWA380 · Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:55 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 44):
As far as moving lights to accommodate the 747, I find that a little hard to believe. That would mean if there was to be a diversion of a 747 and EUG was the best place to land for that situation, they'd have to move the lights? Of course it's possibly true, but seems unlikely. Would love to be proven wrong on this one though.

Duck charters have been 744's recently & after I made that comment, another poster indicated that the 744 was a real stretch for the small Mahlon field & that is when this poster indicated this, I was told the airport manager has a real thing for mainline movements, more a comment than an arguable point, but as that is the nature of this board, I'll just say it's conjecture only. I am sure the airport is 747 capable since they have landed there many times before, but by how much is the real question I'm suggesting.

flyoregon · Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:00 pm

Aerodynamics, Inc (ADI) and SeaPort Air, pending DOT approval, will "codeshare".

This is Oregon related because as we know, SeaPort is based in Portland, and another connection-- ADI operated the Intel Air Shuttle for years until Intel realized they were complete crap, ripped up the contract, and said "you're done with us." For the record, ADI was in breach of contract on many levels.

NOW, SeaPort wants to team up with ADI?!? Sure, they're under "new management", but what's the goal? The focus? SeaPort doesn't even seem to have a clear focus on what they're doing in the first place. I seriously doubt they'll find any supporters in the PNW.

Hypothetically, IF Seaport/ADI started ERJ-145 ops in Oregon, PDT/OTH-PDX wouldn't "feed" a ERJ-145 enough to go from PDX-Destination A/B/C and you're certainly not going to get enough O&D with the reputation they have around here.

My advice to them: keep it in the south. While you're at it, just move the whole SeaPort operation to the south. You're namesake route is gone, and you do nothing positive for Portland or Oregon as a whole. Let someone else come in and do it right without screwing everyone over.

flyoregon · Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:03 pm

http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/...dx_to_expand_terminal_shuffle.html

32andBelow · Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:05 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 46):

Hypothetically, IF Seaport/ADI started ERJ-145 ops in Oregon, PDT/OTH-PDX wouldn't "feed" a ERJ-145 enough to go from PDX-Destination A/B/C and you're certainly not going to get enough O&D with the reputation they have around here.

I wouldn't be surprised if Seaport is out of OTH by the end of 2016.

RWA380 · Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:21 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 48):
I wouldn't be surprised if Seaport is out of OTH by the end of 2016.

Another potential move by KS to add a third West Coast Mainland City, or fourth if you count the PDT contract they are indicating they will go after when it renews, a fine time for K5 to leave Portland & Oregon.

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