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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:24 pm

Anyone know what are the largest markets from PDX that are not served nonstop? MIA, MCO have both gotta be up there.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:43 pm

Quoting ana787 (Reply 50):
Anyone know what are the largest markets from PDX that are not served nonstop? MIA, MCO have both gotta be up there.

Of the top 25 and according to MSA data, MIA (at #8), TPA (at #18), and SAT (at #25) do not have service. MCO is right after SAT at #26.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:03 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 51):

Have a link to the data? Exact numbers? Is this up to date data?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:09 pm

Quoting ana787 (Reply 52):

Mind making a list of cities not served nonstop from PDX and their passenger counts?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting ana787 (Reply 52):
Have a link to the data? Exact numbers? Is this up to date data?

Here is where the data is pulled from: http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/t...f/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

Like it or don't, Wikipedia filters that data in order: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas#cite_note-PopEstCBSA-2

Quoting ana787 (Reply 53):
Mind making a list of cities not served nonstop from PDX and their passenger counts?

That would be a really long list. What cities are you specifically interested in? Top 50 US metros?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:21 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 54):

Top 10 cities not served nonstop from PDX. O/D numbers, not metro area populations.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:37 pm

According to DOT stats Table 6 here are the 10 largest UNSERVED markets from PDX:

1. Orlando:............ 331.44 passengers
2. Miami (metro):....265.11
3. New Orleans:......151.11
4. Nashville:............111.67
5. Indianapolis:........97.89
6. Cleveland:...........82.11
7. Ft. Myers:............71.89
8. Pittsburgh:...........70.33
9. Cincinnati:............68.22
10. Columbus:..........66.33
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:41 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 56):

Excellent chart! Thank you! Have a link to this data? I'm shocked that no nonstop service between PDX and Florida exists.

Do you think we will see nonstop service between pdx and these cities soon?

BTW do you have International stats as well?

[Edited 2015-10-13 13:43:02]

[Edited 2015-10-13 13:45:08]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:14 pm

Quoting ana787 (Reply 57):
Do you think we will see nonstop service between pdx and these cities soon?BTW do you have International stats as well?

You're very welcome!

I think the top 2 are more than likely. 3 & 4 might need to mature enough for Alaska out of SEA before they start them from PDX. I think Alaska needs to start EWR, BWI, PHL, IAH, and SAT before they start MSY and BNA.

This is from the Brookings Institute with information from 2011 so it's not up to date. A lot has changed (for the better) in Portland and Oregon in the last 4 years: http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/aviation

1. Vancouver, Canada................. 67,430
2. Tokyo, Japan........................... 42,997
3. Guadalajara, Mexico................ 36,018
4. London, United Kingdom......... 35,469
5. Cancun, Mexico....................... 33,627
6. Mexico City, Mexico................. 33,417
7. San Jose Del Cabo, Mexico.....32,796
8. Toronto, Canada...................... 29,455
9. Puerto Vallarta, Mexico............29,053
10. Seoul-Incheon, South Korea..23,084
11. Amsterdam, Netherlands....... 20,722
12. Shanghai, China.....................16,874
13. Paris, France..........................16,563
14. Calgary, Canada.................... 14,648
15. Taipei, Taiwan........................14,610
16. Tel Aviv, Israel........................14,368
17. Frankfurt, Germany................13,478
18. Hong Kong, China ..................13,151
19. Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam......12,888
20. Beijing, China.........................12,474
21. San Jose, Costa Rica.............11,867
22. Rome, Italy.............................10,714
23. Manila, Philippines................. 10,025
24. Bangkok, Thailand................. 9,101
25. Edmonton, Canada................ 8,164
26. Montreal, Canada.................. 7,619
27. München, Germany............... 7,546
28. Barcelona, Spain....................6,951
29. Dublin, Ireland........................6,870
30. Singapore, Singapore............ 6,731

Would love to see more up to date and accurate data concerning international destinations to/from Portland.

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:43 pm

Looks like it's official now. PenAir PDX-LMT

http://www.heraldandnews.com/news/lo...4-f554-50cc-9757-e97f278df126.html

Nice to see it reinstated. Looks like 12 Round-Trips each week with the following schedule beginning "on or before Nov. 3"

Dep: (LMTPDX) 12345
0645
1120

Arr: (PDXLMT) 12345
0945
1800

Dep: (LMTPDX) 67
0900

Arr: (PDXLMT) 67
1930
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:48 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 59):
Looks like it's official now. PenAir PDX-LMT

http://www.heraldandnews.com/news/lo...4-f554-50cc-9757-e97f278df126.html

Nice to see it reinstated. Looks like 12 Round-Trips each week with the following schedule beginning "on or before Nov. 3"

Dep: (LMTPDX) 12345
0645
1120

Arr: (PDXLMT) 12345
0945
1800

Dep: (LMTPDX) 67
0900

Arr: (PDXLMT) 67
1930









Oregon

That is old news story from July, before PenAir found out TSA wouldn't be back there until next year sometime.
Would be nice to see it sooner than later.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:51 pm

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 60):
That is old news story from July, before PenAir found out TSA wouldn't be back there until next year sometime.Would be nice to see it sooner than later.

My mistake. Saw the article on Google News and didn't read the date on it. I know it's been talked about for a long time.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:01 pm

PDX celebrates 75 years of service!!.....Attached is a great informative video of the past,present and future...

http://pdx.com/pdx75thtimeline
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:22 pm

Truly enjoyed it. Very informative and I liked the use of no voiceovers!  
Liked seeing the BE99s of Cascade and old Air Oregon logo.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:06 pm

Not the biggest news in the world, but it looks like Alaska is adding an additional daily DFW flight operated by SkyWest.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:25 pm

I wonder if there is a market for alaska/skywest to start PDX-SAT? How do the O/D numbers compare to AUS?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting ana787 (Reply 66):
I wonder if there is a market for alaska/skywest to start PDX-SAT? How do the O/D numbers compare to AUS?

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I suspect they could support an E-175, although I think we'll ABQ before SAT.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:07 pm

I'm wonder if well see the return of Denver with Alaska/Skywest out of PDX?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:18 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 68):
I'm wonder if well see the return of Denver with Alaska/Skywest out of PDX?

I'm unpleasantly surprised they haven't yet. When they had the flights on Alaska/Horizon several years ago, every time I flew the route (albeit only about 5 or 6 times) it was always full. I know, I know. That doesn't always translate into profitability, but the combination of needing to grow other markets and needing those planes to do that, and an oversaturated PDXDEN market probably made it easy for Alaska to pull the route. Now you have United, Southwest, and Frontier (barely) flying to DEN and a much stronger customer base for Alaska in Portland. It's time to bring it back.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:19 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 68):

I'm wonder if well see the return of Denver with Alaska/Skywest out of PDX?

Could be, but man that is one crowded market with 12-13 flights (all mainline aircraft) every day on United, Frontier, Southwest.

Personally, I'd pick Alaska before at least the first two of those options, but I'm not sure one or two flights would be able to compete in terms of convenience and schedule options. I'd expect to see AS focus on routes with less competition. Now, if Frontier implodes as some think it might, there could be some room for AS.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:25 pm

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 70):
Now, if Frontier implodes as some think it might, there could be some room for AS.

I don't see Frontier imploding as they are reportedly doing very well with the ULCC model they've adopted. However, Frontier in Portland has certainly dwindled. They just don't fit the PDX market that well I don't think. United has pulled back Portland A LOT the last few years (even deploying a few RJ's PDX to DEN?). So really, I think Alaska's biggest competition on the route is Southwest. While you're absolutely right about a crowded market with 12-13 flights per day, Alaska isn't the airline it was 10 years ago...it's a lot bigger in Portland, and as a reputation, it's much better. So, yes, it is crowded, I think there's room for Alaska in an Alaska-loving market.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 71):
Alaska isn't the airline it was 10 years ago...it's a lot bigger in Portland, and as a reputation, it's much better. So, yes, it is crowded, I think there's room for Alaska in an Alaska-loving market.

True. However, you've got to aim for either the brand-loyal business customers, in which case schedule frequency becomes the most important thing - requiring at least 3 flights per day to capture those round-trips... OR you go for the cost-conscious flyer in which case you're competing with three other carriers (including WN and F9). It's going to be hard to beat every sale on the competition in that market. While I think AS could fill planes to DEN, I think they'd have a hard time making any $$ at it.

Do any other markets have 4 airlines flying out of PDX?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:39 pm

If AS is out of room in SEA adding flights then DEN allow them to route connecting back through PDX instead of SEA. Hawaii and State of Alaska flights should have no difference connecting in PDX vs. SEA.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:39 pm

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 72):
ue. However, you've got to aim for either the brand-loyal business customers, in which case schedule frequency becomes the most important thing - requiring at least 3 flights per day to capture those round-trips... OR you go for the cost-conscious flyer in which case you're competing with three other carriers (including WN and F9). It's going to be hard to beat every sale on the competition in that market. While I think AS could fill planes to DEN, I think they'd have a hard time making any $$ at it.

I never suggested that they only do one R/T per day. I completely agree that they would need to be very competitive on the schedules. I think 2x E175 and 1x 738 would be perfect for the route.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:25 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 65):
Not the biggest news in the world, but it looks like Alaska is adding an additional daily DFW flight operated by SkyWest.

It's not an addition, just an enhancement...presently there are 2 departures from PDX-DFW on AS. Alaska 652 departs PDX at 10:55AM and Alaska 630 departs PDX at 11:55PM. Flight 630 only operates on Sun, Wed and Thur. Beginning in February the flight will go daily and be operated by SkyWest using the E75 aircraft.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:55 pm

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 75):
It's not an addition, just an enhancement...presently there are 2 departures from PDX-DFW on AS. Alaska 652 departs PDX at 10:55AM and Alaska 630 departs PDX at 11:55PM. Flight 630 only operates on Sun, Wed and Thur. Beginning in February the flight will go daily and be operated by SkyWest using the E75 aircraft.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:10 pm

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 75):

Any idea what AS will do with this 737 once freed up from dfw-PDX? Is a frequency being added elsewhere in the AS system?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:24 pm

Quoting ana787 (Reply 77):
Any idea what AS will do with this 737 once freed up from dfw-PDX? Is a frequency being added elsewhere in the AS system?

I've pondered that as well. Looks like the upcoming schedule retains just one mainline AS PDX-SEA trip. However I've noticed some interesting enhancements to PDX-BOI and SEA-BOI with introduction of both the CR7 and the E75 to those routes beginning in the first quarter of 2016. Additionally we will see PDX-BZN ending its' seasonal run at the end of October and the resumption of PDX-TUS in its' place. And we all know PDX-AUS is slated to begin on Nov 5th. Time will tell as to how the acquisition of more E75 birds will enhance service out of PDX...based on what we've seen already I can only think that we will see additional frequencies and a new city here and there.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:28 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 73):

If AS is out of room in SEA adding flights then DEN allow them to route connecting back through PDX instead of SEA. Hawaii and State of Alaska flights should have no difference connecting in PDX vs. SEA.

I think this is already in play & it would certainly explain the continual adds in the Portland market. Now as a PDX based flyer I have more options to more cities with AS than I have since my first flight on them SEA-PDX, on their first lower 48 route back in 1979, IIRC.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:13 pm

PDX-DEN does seem like a logical route for AS. And while maybe not so much feed beyond DEN, there should be feed at the PDX end. Just in looking at a news item on the new CEC-PDX route with KS/PenAir shows that: it said the top CEC-PDX- connecting markets in the first month had SEA and the L.A. Basin at the top, followed with SMF and DEN tied for #3. So there must be more potential in larger markets like MFR and EUG plus others to feed DEN. (Logically shorter than connecting further north via SEA. Yes, both have UAx non-stops, but the vaunted AS-Faithful crowd isn't to be overlooked.) And having the DEN feed can encourage the other markets KS is looking at in California and Oregon.

Side note, KS noted in The Del Norte Triplicate (CEC) article that the deal is still pending with LMT, and included RDD and Coos Bay (read OTH) in their scope. And KS is quite pleased with this first PDX start. No cancellations and one fog delay.

-- From the above, I take it KS sees OTH as likely opening up, as SeaPort seems very much on the wane. So PDT must be in the sights too. They do feature a new (to them) SF34 fleet addition in their Facebook page.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:23 am

yes, we need a PDX-DEN on AS even just for O&D.

One daily E175 is enough for now, I just refuse to connect PDX-SEA-DEN and make a 2.5hr trip a 4.5 hour one.

The 175s are great, too one to STL, and soon to AUS. Really great plane for PDX, and I hope to see more and more of them mixed in where 737s don't make sense.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:20 am

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 78):
. However I've noticed some interesting enhancements to PDX-BOI and SEA-BOI with introduction of both the CR7 and the E75 to those routes beginning in the first quarter of 2016

Well with new SkyWest MX hangar in BOI, guess easy way to get planes there. Since QX DH4s hold 76 pax, this will mean less seats per day I assume in these markets. I didn't look to see if number of flights changed or not.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:58 pm

http://www.triplicate.com/News/Local...mooth-ride-for-PenAirs-first-month

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 80):
Side note, KS noted in The Del Norte Triplicate (CEC) article that the deal is still pending with LMT, and included RDD and Coos Bay (read OTH) in their scope. And KS is quite pleased with this first PDX start. No cancellations and one fog delay.


Here's the full article. Also notes 38% LF on average during first month.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:15 am

Also note that SeaPort announced PDX (and SEA) service to Moses Lake.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154216995919338

 
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:51 am

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 83):
Also notes 38% LF on average during first month.

Good informative article. Congrats to Pen Air pretty darn good for a start will take CEC passengers a while to get used to going to PDX to connect instead of SFO.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:08 am

Quoting mwh787 (Reply 85):
Good informative article. Congrats to Pen Air pretty darn good for a start will take CEC passengers a while to get used to going to PDX to connect instead of SFO.

Indeed, it sure is difficult to change one's travel patterns & preferences when your only option heads North when you are used to going South first. Changing alliances to UA vs AS & many other things keep people from embracing change, even if it is better in the long run.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:08 pm

It's great to see PenAir in Portland. They're a great little airline. I think there is a lot of opportunity available for them i.e. PDT, YKM, LMT, OTH-PDX, and I even think it would be smart for them to work with Alaska to introduce a PDX-BOI-IDA routing. The S340 would be perfect for that route. I know the clause says that PenAir can't compete on any routes that Alaska flies, but if they could make the schedules work and add a frequency on certain days with PenAir a/c and decrease frequency on QX a/c, then it could work. IDA did well when QX operated the Q200, but the Q400 is too much airplane. This could be a good add for them.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:08 pm

As a standard disclaimer, I'm well aware of the legitimacy of Wikipedia, however I noticed Philadelphia isn't listed on either the PDX or PHL page. I know it has been seasonal for 10 or so years, but now it's not listed and can't find anything on the schedules. Any insight?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:36 pm

The Port of Portland released stats for Port operated airports (which include PDX) today for September 2015. The most interesting data found below:

Condor:......................Total Pax:...4,637.......No. Flts:....18......Avg Pax/Flt: 242.6............LF:...99%

Icelandair:..................Total Pax:...2,838.......No. Flts:....18......Avg Pax/Flt: 157.7............LF:...86%

Volaris:......................Total Pax:...3,472.......No. Flts:....26......Avg Pax/Flt: 133.5.............LF:...77%


-Passenger count is up YTD 4.5% with 12,588,777 YTD September 2015 and 12,043,478 September 2014.

-Passenger traffic is up 6.8% September 2015 over September 2014 with 1,449,967 and 1,336,629 respectively.

International Passenger Traffic is found below:

Total International :.........2015:.....58,637..........2014:......47.032.....%Chg:.....24.7%
Total Enplaned:...............2015:.....29,052..........2014:......22,936....%Chg:......26.7%
Total Deplaned:...............2015:.....29,585..........2014:......24,096....%Chg:......22.8%

Worth mentioning:
-Alaska :........................20% increase in passenger numbers YTD.
-American :.................. 10.0% increase in passenger numbers YTD.
-Delta :......................... 17.2% increase in passenger numbers YTD.
-Horizon :....................... 4.0% increase in passenger numbers YTD.
-JetBlue :...................... 20.8% increase in passenger numbers YTD.
-Southwest :................. 13.0% increase in passenger numbers YTD.
-Virgin America :............ 3.3% increase in passenger numbers YTD.

PDX Flight operations saw a -0.5% decrease with Military Operations decreasing by -29.7% and General Aviation increasing 21.4%.

Also, outside of PDX, Troutdale Airport saw a 26.9% increase in operations YTD, while Hillsboro saw a -13.0% decrease.

Source: http://www.portofportland.com/Aviation_Stat.aspx
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:12 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 89):

Wow condor has made a killing every flight LF wise. Wonder if LH is eyeing this. LH is missing out for sure.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:18 pm

Always good to see some solid stats.

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 89):
PDX Flight operations saw a -0.5% decrease with Military Operations decreasing by -29.7% and General Aviation increasing 21.4%.

That's quite a decrease in military flying. Any reason in particular? Also quite a jump in GA.

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 89):
Also, outside of PDX, Troutdale Airport saw a 26.9% increase in operations YTD, while Hillsboro saw a -13.0% decrease.

Related to the flight school moving from Hillsboro to Troutdale.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:21 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 91):
That's quite a decrease in military flying. Any reason in particular? Also quite a jump in GA.

I suspect the decrease is due to the 142nd being deployed.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 91):
Related to the flight school moving from Hillsboro to Troutdale.

The flight school didn't move from HIO to TTD, they've just grown the Troutdale campus, as well as Prineville.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:22 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 89):
Condor:......................Total Pax:...4,637.......No. Flts:....18......Avg Pax/Flt: 242.6............LF:...99%

Icelandair:..................Total Pax:...2,838.......No. Flts:....18......Avg Pax/Flt: 157.7............LF:...86%

Volaris:......................Total Pax:...3,472.......No. Flts:....26......Avg Pax/Flt: 133.5.............LF:...77%

Good data. Do you know what the LFs were for the NRT and AMS flights?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:22 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 89):

Awesome numbers for the Port overall! Thanks for compiling the info flyoregon!
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:27 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 93):
Good data. Do you know what the LFs were for the NRT and AMS flights?

I don't. The information is complied by airline and not by route thus making it hard to filter. I'll do some digging however.

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 94):
Awesome numbers for the Port overall! Thanks for compiling the info flyoregon!

My pleasure. I'll have the numbers out each month once they're released.

Also somewhat interesting, Frontier and Spirit passenger counts dropped 27.7% and 15.7%. Indication that the ULCC isn't very popular in Portland?



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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:10 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 89):
The Port of Portland released stats for Port operated airports (which include PDX) today for September 2015. The most interesting data found below:

Thanks for compiling the stats flyoregon, there is a lot of great info here, it's really nice to see those International numbers for Y4, DE & FI. I can see why each carrier has added an addition weekly to next summers schedule.

Quoting ana787 (Reply 90):
Wow condor has made a killing every flight LF wise. Wonder if LH is eyeing this. LH is missing out for sure.

I wonder if DE would give up the market without a fight. I am not sure DE would go year round to support the route however.

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 95):
Also somewhat interesting, Frontier and Spirit passenger counts dropped 27.7% and 15.7%. Indication that the ULCC isn't very popular in Portland?

That is interesting, I wonder if it's the lack of service that both carriers provide here now, or that the traffic was so poor that both NK & F9 dropped a fair chunk of their flights to PDX?

NK has gone from 2 x daily to LAS & 1 x daily to SAN, with seasonal to DFW & ORD, now they have 1 x daily to LAS & seasonal DFW & ORD.

F9 has gone from 5 x daily to DEN & 1 x daily seasonal to STL, down to 2 or 3 daily to DEN, a market that has 3 carriers on it.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:12 am

Quoting ana787 (Reply 90):
Wow condor has made a killing every flight LF wise. Wonder if LH is eyeing this. LH is missing out for sure.

Well LH had their shot at the route, and decided SEA would be better. Perhaps LH demanded a higher premium from PDX than DE does.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:38 am

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 83):

http://www.triplicate.com/News/Local...mooth-ride-for-PenAirs-first-month

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 80):
Side note, KS noted in The Del Norte Triplicate (CEC) article that the deal is still pending with LMT, and included RDD and Coos Bay (read OTH) in their scope. And KS is quite pleased with this first PDX start. No cancellations and one fog delay.


Here's the full article. Also notes 38% LF on average during first month.

Thanks. I wanted to post it, but wasn't sure on what rules there may have been about posting to copyrighted articles. It's ok??

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 9

Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:14 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 93):
Do you know what the LFs were for the NRT and AMS flights?

Wasn't able to get the LF's for NRT/AMS but Delta averaged 162.78 passengers in amongst all flights with 566 flights in/out and 160.40 passengers out amongst all flights.

Also, while there is a separately dedicated thread to SeaPort, I wanted to point out that SeaPort's current average load factors are 54.86% for flights in and 53.18% for flights out averaging 4.94 pax in and 4.79 pax out.

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