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Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:51 pm

For your enjoyment  http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/commercial/737max/assets/images/news/begins-final-assembly-of-first-737-max/gallery/gallery-full-03.jpg

http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/commercial/737max/assets/images/news/begins-final-assembly-of-first-737-max/gallery/gallery-full-04.jpg

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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:45 pm

Those ATW's are flatter than I was expecting. I like it!

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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:03 pm

Funny enough, they look like a giant gen 2.0 wingtip fence.

Looks good! Did they change the flap track fairings? New tail cone section will look much better too.
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:34 am

Looking good!

Seems like it's time for someone to start up a 737MAX production thread?
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:40 am

Boeing needs to build the a new "737" from the ground up.
How many more improvements can this almost 50 year old design take?
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:00 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 1):

Those ATW's are flatter than I was expecting. I like it!

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I can see this potentially causing problems for some tightly spaced gates. Here in MEL the VA gates already look tight with NGs I wonder what will happen if the MAX won't fit.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:17 am

Quoting A320fan (Reply 5):
I can see this potentially causing problems for some tightly spaced gates. Here in MEL the VA gates already look tight with NGs I wonder what will happen if the MAX won't fit.

Think about what just happen at LAX the other night with the AS 738 and the UA 752. I hate to say it but there are going to be more accidents like that one.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:02 am

wow. It's a 737. Seen one you've seen them all. what is there to be excited about exactly?Let me know when Boeing starts building the DC-9 and 757 again, which are better planes anyways.

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Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:08 pm

I was never a 737 fan, in any of their iterations. That is one pretty airplane!
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:07 pm

Quoting A320fan (Reply 5):
I can see this potentially causing problems for some tightly spaced gates. Here in MEL the VA gates already look tight with NGs I wonder what will happen if the MAX won't fit.

You know cars now come with backup sensors that beep if you get too close to
a wall or another car.... I wonder if they could incorporate such a system into
those wingtips to avoid "scraping paint " with other jets in close quarters?
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting A320fan (Reply 5):
I can see this potentially causing problems for some tightly spaced gates. Here in MEL the VA gates already look tight with NGs I wonder what will happen if the MAX won't fit.

Based on the second photo in the OP, they also look like they are more swept backed than the current winglet, so I'm not sure the overall length will be any significant problem. In fact, I would seriously doubt there is much difference, as I would imagine this was a primary consideration in designing the new treatment. And compared to the current scimitar, the bottom portion also appears to be more 'out' than 'down', so better clearance underwing as well. Of course, that would be irrelevant to customers who have not opted for the scimitars.


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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:09 pm

No engines, this isn't a MAX yet!  

It is great to see the additional line starting up. More 737s as well as an easier initial ramp of the MAX.

I'm being lazy, would someone please post a link to the MAX ramp rate?

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 3):
Seems like it's time for someone to start up a 737MAX production thread?

Soon, it will be a few months before there is a rhythm. I think this thread will suffice for a month or two.

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Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:10 pm

Wonder if the 737MAX will share the same beacon/ anti collision light pattern as the 787? Shes gunna be one good looking 737!
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 10):
You know cars now come with backup sensors that beep if you get too close to
a wall or another car.... I wonder if they could incorporate such a system into
those wingtips to avoid "scraping paint " with other jets in close quarters?

Thats why they have wing-walkers..... That is your sensor and warning system.

But practically speaking something automated really wont matter as majority of such incidents dont happen when the flight deck crews are in command, but instead when aircraft is under control and movement of ground staff.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:34 pm

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 13):
Wonder if the 737MAX will share the same beacon/ anti collision light pattern as the 787? Shes gunna be one good looking 737!

You mean LEDs? I'm almost expecting that   And it will look good!

My only objection is that I wish it had wingtip trailing edge navs. I love those lights! Night flying can get dark without those  
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12):
No engines, this isn't a MAX yet!

Could be within a week or so! That's going to be the best part  
Quoting UA444 (Reply 7):
wow. It's a 737. Seen one you've seen them all. what is there to be excited about exactly?Let me know when Boeing starts building the DC-9 and 757 again, which are better planes anyways.

Seriously, UA444? Really? Not on my thread, please!
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:35 pm

I'm just thrilled that the veteran nose of the 737 that aches "aviation experience" to me is still going strong. Who would have through that an aircraft nose designed back in the 50s would still be used in newbuilds 60 plus years on! (Yes, rivet counters, I know there are a few modifications).
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:22 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 16):
Who would have through that an aircraft nose designed back in the 50s would still be used in newbuilds 60 plus years on!

That's why I love the 737. Yes, it is ubiquitous, but every time I see one, the nose reminds me of a 707 (and 727), and that's something I definitely like being reminded of! Yes, I know they are not identical, but at a glance, close enough!   
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:46 pm

Is the fuselage made out of any different materials than the 737NG? It looks to have an all new wing -- correct me if I'm wrong.
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:52 pm

It would be helpful if someone could give a detailed list of improvements on the MAX vs. NG / vs. NEO.
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:04 pm

It will still always be a cramped cockpit where you can barely fit your bags in. I'll take my Airbus any day of the week.
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:19 pm

Gorgeous. Just look at that wing !!! A fusion of form and function. Can't wait for the numbers !!   
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting glideslope (Reply 21):
Gorgeous. Just look at that wing !!! A fusion of form and function. Can't wait for the numbers !!   

I'm excited about the 737 Max simply because it has enough external changes
that they will be easy to spot at a busy airport, especially those new winglets.

The only way you'll be able to spot a NEO is if some airline stamps NEO on the engines
or a NEO is lined up next to a CEO on a taxiway
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:52 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 19):

It would be helpful if someone could give a detailed list of improvements on the MAX vs. NG / vs. NEO.

For both the MAX and NEO:
1. Longer airframe maintenance intervals. 8 years vs. the old aircraft's 6.
2. More fuel efficient new generation engines.
3. Both have significantly more range (initial A330 NEO promise was same range with lower costs, NEO and MAX both promised more range than the CEO/NG).
4. Significantly less nose (inside and outside the airframe).
a. Boeing claims a 40% smaller 85 dB footprint for the MAX
b. Pratt claims 50% less noise for the engine, but I couldn't find the claimed area reduction for the NEO 85 dB noise footprint.   
5. The new engines are HEAVY. This makes the 737-7 and A319 less appealing; For the NEO/MAX shorties percentage wise their cost per flight reduction over the next larger sibling is less than the prior generation.


MAX vs. NG (in addition to above):
1. Further improved winglet for the MAX (unknown fuel burn reduction)
2. Total cash operating cost reduction per passenger is 8% (see link below).
3. Targeted 99.7% dispatch reliability (see link below). Current best is 777 at 99.3%.
4. Option of a 'short field kit' for the MAX late in the decade (also on NG). In my opinion *needed* for the -9 MAX and A321 NEO, but I do not know specifics.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/

Short field kit link (I really haven't heard much more about it, and the link implies "later in the decade" before delivery).
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NEO vs. CEO:
1. New lighter door configuration (enables 240 seats w/two pairs of overwing exits).
2. Option of LR (standard structure 2019+ with new doors)
3. New spaceflex galley/lavatories (there are two lavatories back there) for flights with low catering demand.
4. More thrust for A321 with Pratt NEO (35k vs. 33k). This is past due to improve hot/high A321 performance.


In January, the tally was:
A321neo sales stand at 755 versus 286 for the MAX 9.
(Since then Airbus bagged the Wizz air order, but I'm not aware if that is official or not).

From:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...boeing-sales-idUSL1N0US1F520150113

My take:
1. The MAX improves the appeal of the already popular 738/-8. That airframe will sell incredibly well.
2. The NEO not only improved the sales of the A320, it has significantly raised interest in the A321.
3. Every engine upgrade reduces interest in the 'short versions.' We saw that with the 736 sales vs. 735 and we're seeing it again with low -7 MAX and low A319NEO sales. I fully expect like the A318 and 736 that when first users are done with the type, the only market will be as parts (scrapping).

A question. Will the A321LR be able to fragment TATL length missions more? Or is the lack of cargo capacity what has stopped any sales announcement? If you have read prior posts of mine, you would know that by now I was expecting an AA/US order for the A321LR.


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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:02 pm

Quoting aeroflop (Reply 4):
How many more improvements can this almost 50 year old design take?

I think the fact that they can still find ways to keep a 50-year-old airframe competitive speaks to the genius of the original 737 design (and its predecessors on which the fuselage is based, the 707 and 727).
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:10 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 22):
The only way you'll be able to spot a NEO is if some airline stamps NEO on the engines
or a NEO is lined up next to a CEO on a taxiway

The new engines are so much larger it should be difficult to mistake a neo for a ceo.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 23):
(Since then Airbus bagged the Wizz air order, but I'm not aware if that is official or not).

Yes, that order is now firm, with 90 options/purchase rights (or whatever they're calling them today).

The current tally (including the Wizz order) is:
A321neo = 961
737-9 = 217*

( numbers from the excellent pdxlight site - http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm )


* Lion's MAX order is listed as all being -8s, which would be rather surprising. Frustratingly, Boeing's order site doesn't break out MAX models, just lists total MAX orders.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:20 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 25):
The new engines are so much larger it should be difficult to mistake a neo for a ceo.

Once the NEO is on line, won't it be the CEO?
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:41 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 23):
The new engines are HEAVY. This makes the 737-7 and A319 less appealing

At least the two can compete. I doubt they'll sell anymore than they have already, but I'm sure there are some markets for them.

The CSeries is a big threat to the two aircraft in question, I think.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 23):
Further improved winglet for the MAX (unknown fuel burn reduction)

Over the APB Winglet (I'm assumeing non-Scimitar), they are giving me a 1.8% increase in efficiency with the ATW.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 23):
A321neo sales stand at 755 versus 286 for the MAX 9.

Clearly, the A321neo wins in economics and sales.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 23):
My take:
1. The MAX improves the appeal of the already popular 738/-8. That airframe will sell incredibly well.
2. The NEO not only improved the sales of the A320, it has significantly raised interest in the A321.
3. Every engine upgrade reduces interest in the 'short versions.' We saw that with the 736 sales vs. 735 and we're seeing it again with low -7 MAX and low A319NEO sales. I fully expect like the A318 and 736 that when first users are done with the type, the only market will be as parts (scrapping).

The winners from both families are the MAX 8 and A321neo. Should be interesting to see how the market is in the next few years.
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:44 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 26):
Once the NEO is on line, won't it be the CEO?

No, the ceo will become "classic engine option" while neo becomes "now engine option".   
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:51 pm

Quoting vatveng (Reply 24):
I think the fact that they can still find ways to keep a 50-year-old airframe competitive speaks to the genius of the original 737 design (and its predecessors on which the fuselage is based, the 707 and 727).

  
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:10 am

Those winglets are ugly. Looked ugly in the rendering and look ugly irl, but at least they're interesting. Better ugly and interesting than ugly and bland, like the 767

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 22):
The only way you'll be able to spot a NEO is if some airline stamps NEO on the engines
or a NEO is lined up next to a CEO on a taxiway

Not unless you have a working pair of eyes I guess

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The winners from both families are the MAX 8 and A321neo

What is the 737-8 winning against?
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:14 am

The only advantage, if only for the airlines like FR, that the max has is the 737-8 Max200 that can fit 200 seats. Airbus has yet to respond. But the 180 seat versions are where the market is going and Boeing's competitor trails the 321.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:48 am

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 22):
The only way you'll be able to spot a NEO is if some airline stamps NEO on the engines
or a NEO is lined up next to a CEO on a taxiway

Are you kidding me? The NEO engines are MUCH bigger than the CEO ones. When did you last get your eyes tested?   
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:51 am

Quoting crimsonchin (Reply 30):
Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 27):
The winners from both families are the MAX 8 and A321neo

What is the 737-8 winning against?

The 737 MAX 9 and the 737 MAX 7, I presume.

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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:35 am

Quoting crimsonchin (Reply 30):
Those winglets are ugly. Looked ugly in the rendering and look ugly irl, but at least they're interesting. Better ugly and interesting than ugly and bland, like the 767

I'm confident that many, if not, most, would disagree. They aren't mind boggling, but they are good looking, to me.

They are different for sure.

Quoting crimsonchin (Reply 30):
What is the 737-8 winning against?
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 33):
The 737 MAX 9 and the 737 MAX 7, I presume.

PlanesNTrains is correct. Against the MAX 7 and MAX 9. MAX 7 isn't selling (no surprise), and the MAX 9, while I'm sure very capable, can't hold a match to the clearly superior A321neo.

The 737-800 has been a hot seller, and the MAX 8 will continue that trend, no doubt.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:56 am

This info may have changed a bit, as this was valid a few years ago. But this should provide some idea of what we can expect to be rolling off the line soon.




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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:26 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 27):
The CSeries is a big threat to the two aircraft in question, I think.

Sales of the A319 and 73G were already in terminal decline, the A319neo and 737-7 are continuing the trend. Sales of the CSeries are insignificant considering the thousands upon thousands of single-aisle planes purchased in the last five years (and that includes a good few E-Jets).

This year is not atypical -
Combined A320 and 737 family sales = 1,083
CSeries sales = 0
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:44 am

Quoting barney captain (Reply 35):

Direct Lift Control?! As in the same DLC as the Tristar?!

Well, I was not a big fan of the 737 but this sounds pretty damn cool  
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:51 am

My guess is the DLC is only a backup for a jammed stabilizer, but I agree, it would have been a fantastic addition.
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 36):
This year is not atypical -
Combined A320 and 737 family sales = 1,083
CSeries sales = 0

Well, as far as the C-series is concerned, comparing it to ie. A321 (big portion of your numbers) is a bit ridiculous. You could also write that 320 and 737 sales pale to this years Tesla sales. It would add almost the same to the discussion . . .  

It would be more interesting to see the sales numbers of the A319neo/ceo and 737-7(00).
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:45 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 37):
This year is not atypical -
Combined A320 and 737 family sales = 1,083
CSeries sales = 0

How does 319/737-7 compares to cseries and E2s?
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:54 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 39):
It would be more interesting to see the sales numbers of the A319neo/ceo and 737-7(00).
Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 40):
How does 319/737-7 compares to cseries and E2s?

2015 sales:

- A319ceo: 0
- A319neo: 2
- B737 NG: 0
- B737 MAX: 0
- CSeries: 0
- E-Jet E2: 55

  
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:59 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 42):
2015 sales:

- A319ceo: 0
- A319neo: 2
- B737 NG: 0
- B737 MAX: 0
- CSeries: 0
- E-Jet E2: 55

Not a good year for the 100-150 seat marker overall.
Wonder if the CSereis/E2 will force the larger OEM's to exit this market when they develop the clean sheet replacement aircraft.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:11 pm

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 43):
Wonder if the CSereis/E2 will force the larger OEM's to exit this market when they develop the clean sheet replacement aircraft.

I fully expect that to be the case.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:28 pm

Quoting crimsonchin (Reply 30):
Those winglets are ugly. Looked ugly in the rendering and look ugly irl, but at least they're interesting. Better ugly and interesting than ugly and bland, like the 767

There you have it folks. The winglets are ugly and the 767 is bland!!! It's official!
Actually, if the 767 is bland, then pretty much every other aircraft must be as well considering most aircraft have that exact same basic design and shape....737, 757, 777, 787, Ejets, A300, A310, A319, A320, A321, A330, A350, the list goes on...
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:30 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 39):
Well, as far as the C-series is concerned, comparing it to ie. A321 (big portion of your numbers) is a bit ridiculous.

Agreed and I only included the A321/739 because they're part of a family. But my point remains, CSeries sales are staggeringly low in the big scheme of things.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 42):
2015 sales:

- A319ceo: 0
- A319neo: 2
- B737 NG: 0
- B737 MAX: 0
- CSeries: 0
- E-Jet E2: 55

Which proves my point. IMHO, the CSeries is aimed squarely at a shrinking market. Too big to be an RJ, a bit too small for mainline. Not a threat to the big two OEMs.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 44):
I fully expect that to be the case.

They'd be insane to hamstring their next generation of single-aisle planes by trying to cater for the lower end of the market. I'd see the smallest member of the next families to be A320/738 sized or possibly even slightly larger.
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 23):
Current best is 777 at 99.3%.

That's incorrect.

Current 737NG already has an average DR of 99.8% with the A320 family closely following at about 99.6%. Even the A330 is at 99.4%.
 
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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:54 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 27):

I agree but would note the A320NEO has also done well. The high density configuration

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 47):

Link? I have not seen numbers that good before.

777 has been barely doing better than the A330 for a while. I would be curious to know if the best DR switched.

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RE: Boeing 737 MAX L/N 5602 - Final Assembly

Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:22 pm

Quoting trnswrld (Reply 45):
There you have it folks. The winglets are ugly and the 767 is bland!!! It's official!
Actually, if the 767 is bland, then pretty much every other aircraft must be as well considering most aircraft have that exact same basic design and shape ....737, 757, 777, 787, Ejets, A300, A310, A319, A320, A321, A330, A350, the list goes on...

Isn't that the very definition of bland?  
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