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BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:13 pm

BA have made a number of changes to there planned S16 LHR longhaul schedule. Below are details of the changes


AUS - BA will begin using a 4 class 787-9 from early February 2016, 787-9 operation will continue during S16. BA currently operate a 3 class 787-8 to AUS.

BOM - Flights will operate on a 77W and a 4 class 777 daily. BA currently operate a 4 class 777 and a 3 class 777 daily.

CAI - Daily 3 class 767 service operates through S16.

CPT - Frequency reduced to a daily 4 class 747 for S16. Flight were operated daily on a 3 class 747 and 2 x weekly on a 3 class 777 for S15.

DEL - Remains 2 x daily with BA143/BA142 being operated by a 4 class 777 and BA257/BA256 by a 787-9. BA currently operate 2 x daily 777 service

DXB - Frequency increased from 2 to 3 x daily for S16 (with the exception of between 07JUN and 04JUL when 2 x daily frequency operates). Flights will operate daily on a Super Hi-J 747 and 2 x daily on a 4 class 777. BA operated daily 747 and daily 4 class 777 service during S15,

DME - Remains 20 x weekly. Overall capacity will be reduced with BA233/BA232 will operate 6 x weekly on a 4 class 777. BA currently operates 4 x weekly on a 4 class 777's and 2 x weekly 747.

EZE - Daily W15 frequency continues for S16. BA operated 5 x weekly S15.

KUL - Daily 787-9 operating during W15 continues for S16. BA currently operate a 4 class 777.

LAS - Frequency will increase from daily to 10 x weekly for S16. Flights will all be operated by a 4 class 747. This increase will mean that BA will operate a 13 x weekly (double daily every day but a Tuesday) from LON to LAS next summer.

NAS - Frequency reduced from 5 to 4 x weekly. All flight continue to GCM.

SAN - 4 class 77W (14F/56J/44W/183Y) will operate throughout S16 replacing a 3 class 777 (48J/24W/203Y)

SEA - Frequency will increase from 11 to 12 x weekly. With BA053/BA052 operating 5 x weekly, compared to 4 x weekly this summer. Flights will be operated daily by a 77W and 5 x weekly on a 4 class 777

SFO - 2 x daily frequency remains unchanged. Capacity increased compared to S15 with flights being operated by a daily A380 and a daily 747. BA currently operate a A380 5 x weekly and a 747 9 x weekly

SJC - New route begins 4th May 2016. Flights will be operated daily on a 787-9

TLV - Frequency and Capacity change. Flight will operate 2 x daily on a 3 class 777 throughout S16. 13 x weekly A321 and a daily 3 class 777 operated S15.

YVR - Frequency reduced to from up to 12 x weekly to daily. BA087/BA086 rotations discontinued. BA085/BA084 will switch from being operated by a 4 class 747 (14F/52J/36W/235Y) to a A380 (14F/97J/55W/303Y) from 01MAY16

Further changes are very likely in the coming weeks and months
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:42 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
NAS - Frequency reduced from 5 to 4 x weekly. All flight continue to GCM.

Will this still be on the 767?
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:46 pm

Some were expected like DME reduction or AUS upgrade, but YVR surprise me, but I guess that's why BA got the A380, with this move they free up 4 weekly slots and keep the route almost same in number of seats.

Good to see BA increasing DXB, I though we could see a separate DOH flight but not yet, maybe for next season.

The SFO and YVR are due to new planes joining or where are they reducing??
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:30 pm

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 1):
Will this still be on the 767?

Yes still on the 767

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
The SFO and YVR are due to new planes joining or where are they reducing??

G-XLEJ & G-XLEK are due to enter service later this year

A380 is operating BA209/BA208 MIA rotation during W15. Both MIA flights still showing as being operated by a 747 for S16.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:46 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
CPT - Frequency reduced to a daily 4 class 747 for S16. Flight were operated daily on a 3 class 747 and 2 x weekly on a 3 class 777 for S15.

Was in CPT during August. Pretty much every variation of the 747 fleet, 777-200ER's and 777-300ER's managed to make an appearance in CPT during those four weeks.

There and back my flights (58/59) were on 4 class 747's, the return flight being oversold
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
LAS - Frequency will increase from daily to 10 x weekly for S16. Flights will all be operated by a 4 class 747. This increase will mean that BA will operate a 13 x weekly (double daily every day but a Tuesday) from LON to LAS next summer.

  

Now I can catch the BA 747 in daylight for the first time!!
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:36 pm

SAN 4 class 77W ? Thats very interesting
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
DXB - Frequency increased from 2 to 3 x daily for S16

Popular misconception on a.net has that DXB is only used by pax for transfers and has no O&D demand of its own... BA are clearly demonstrating otherwise. There are already an incredible number of daily LHR(/LON)-DXB flights / seats and the number just seems to continue to grow.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:52 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
SAN - 4 class 77W (14F/56J/44W/183Y) will operate throughout S16 replacing a 3 class 777 (48J/24W/203Y)

Will another route lose 77W service because of this? Last summer, the U.S. routes that saw the BA 77W were SEA-LHR, DFW-LHR, and ORD-LHR.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:20 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 7):
Popular misconception on a.net has that DXB is only used by pax for transfers and has no O&D demand of its own... BA are clearly demonstrating otherwise. There are already an incredible number of daily LHR(/LON)-DXB flights / seats and the number just seems to continue to grow.

I was to write that.

LHR: EK 5x daily A380 / BA 2x daily B747 + 1 daily B777 / QF 2x daily A380 / VS 1x daily A330 / BI 1x daily B787
LGW: EK 3x daily A380

15 daily flights.

DXB to LON seems like a shuttle:

01:45 (BA)
01:55 (BI)
02:15 (QF)
02:30 (EK/LHR)
02:50 (EK/LGW)
07:45 (EK/LHR)
08:00 (EK/LGW)
09:10 (QF)
09:20 (BA)
09:40 (EK/LHR)
11:10 (VS)
13:45 (BA)
14:15 (EK/LHR)
15:00 (EK/LGW)
15:45 (EK/LHR)
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):

Based on the growth in O&D between London and Dubai, I wonder if BA might consider a daily flight to DWC in the next year or so.

[Edited 2015-09-16 13:09:05]
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:47 pm

IIRC, DFW gets 744 service back for the winter season but come S16 ,
it's back to the 77W for BA.

Kinda jealous the good folks in AUS get 789 flights
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:06 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
BA 2x daily B747 + 1 daily B777
BA in recent years have operated a 747 and 777 during there summer schedule and a 747 and 2 x 777 during there winter schedule. As stated in my initial post, Next summer will be the first summer season schedule to see a 747 and 2 777's operate daily for most of the season.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 8):
Will another route lose 77W service because of this? Last summer, the U.S. routes that saw the BA 77W were SEA-LHR, DFW-LHR, and ORD-LHR.

Yes. Only time will tell which route it will be that will lose the 77W.

[Edited 2015-09-16 14:22:38]
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:13 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
AUS - BA will begin using a 4 class 787-9 from early February 2016, 787-9 operation will continue during S16. BA currently operate a 3 class 787-8 to AUS.
Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
BOM - Flights will operate on a 77W and a 4 class 777 daily. BA currently operate a 4 class 777 and a 3 class 777 daily.
Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
DEL - Remains 2 x daily with BA143/BA142 being operated by a 4 class 777 and BA257/BA256 by a 787-9. BA currently operate 2 x daily 777 service
Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
LAS - Frequency will increase from daily to 10 x weekly for S16. Flights will all be operated by a 4 class 747. This increase will mean that BA will operate a 13 x weekly (double daily every day but a Tuesday) from LON to LAS next summer.
Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
YVR - Frequency reduced to from up to 12 x weekly to daily. BA087/BA086 rotations discontinued. BA085/BA084 will switch from being operated by a 4 class 747 (14F/52J/36W/235Y) to a A380 (14F/97J/55W/303Y) from 01MAY16

All of these seem aimed at accounting for the loss of G-VIIO

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):

SAN - 4 class 77W (14F/56J/44W/183Y) will operate throughout S16 replacing a 3 class 777 (48J/24W/203Y)
Quoting by738 (Reply 6):
SAN 4 class 77W ? Thats very interesting

This route, in particular, seems to directly account for G-VIIO's absence. LHR sends a 3 class 772 to LGW and BA takes advantage of market shits at SAN to put the 77W on the route. Will be nice to see her rumbling in.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:17 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 11):
IIRC, DFW gets 744 service back for the winter season but come S16 ,
it's back to the 77W for BA.

Interesting. Glad to see the 744 come back to DFW, even if it is temporary. Not to take anything away from the beautiful 77W, though.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:47 pm

Quoting tedtotoe (Reply 10):

Maybe from LGW?
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting tedtotoe (Reply 10):
Based on the growth in O&D between London and Dubai, I wonder if BA might consider a daily flight to DWC in the next year or so.

Have you been to DWC? No major carrier would fly there.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:42 pm

Miami, is it keeping the A380 next summer or is it only for the winter schedule ?
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:53 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
No major carrier would fly there.

You're right, which is why I suggested in the next year or so.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
.....BA takes advantage of market shits at SAN to put the 77W on the route.

That's one way of describing them!
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):

All of these seem aimed at accounting for the loss of G-VIIO


Id hardly be running away with that assumption.

All of these announcements have been in the planning stages for some time now and known to many within BA and the airports involved.

There will be slight tweets to accommodate the removal of IO from service but too soon to speculate. The aircraft hasn't even been written off by insurers yet.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Have you been to DWC? No major carrier would fly there.

Someone had better tell AY, GF and QR that.

AY operate seasonal charter flights from DWC to HEL
GF operate from DWC to BAH
QR from DWC to DOH, I believe 4 x daily.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 17):
Miami, is it keeping the A380 next summer or is it only for the winter schedule ?
At the moment all flights are showing as being operated by a Mid-J 747. I think the MIA aircraft is being used to operate the YVR during S16
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:37 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 20):
AY operate seasonal charter flights from DWC to HEL

Seasonal charter is not scheduled.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 20):
GF operate from DWC to BAH
QR from DWC to DOH, I believe 4 x daily.

Not talking about shorthaul.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:09 am

Quoting by738 (Reply 6):

SAN 4 class 77W ? Thats very interesting

Have the SAN flights been oversold, or going out @ 100% on the average this Summer? I think it's great BA is up gauging SAN. How well will the F/C sell in this market?

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 7):
Popular misconception on a.net has that DXB is only used by pax for transfers and has no O&D demand of its own... BA are clearly demonstrating otherwise. There are already an incredible number of daily LHR(/LON)-DXB flights / seats and the number just seems to continue to grow.

There are many who are very loyal to BA, and no matter what happens, or how unhappy some may become disenchanted with service "enhancements", they will continue to be BA loyalists. They also get those who won't fly EK.

With the financial, and political unrest in Russia, I wonder how long DME will continue to see widebody service? Is widebody service kept in place to stay in competition with SU? Does BA send the A321s with a true CW product, versus Club Europe to keep the product similar to Aeroflot's Airbus narrowbodies that have true J cabins?

How much longer will PHL, BWI see 767 service? I hope BA will send 788s into these markets.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:18 am

So DEN is keeping it's 747-400 for now it looks like.

I do have to wonder what BA's logic was in switching DEN from the 3 class 772 it's gotten for the last 10 years to the 4 class 744 but hey, I'm not complaining!
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:27 am

Looks like LHR-BOS stays at 4 daily. 3 - 744 and 1-772.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:08 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 22):
Have the SAN flights been oversold, or going out @ 100% on the average this Summer? I think it's great BA is up gauging SAN. How well will the F/C sell in this market?

I sure hope F will do well -- BA must be expecting non-economy seating to since there will be 18 fewer coach seats offered next summer!.

I have no idea how many sold-out flights there have been at SAN but I do know that average monthly LF in the months between Apr and Oct here are always in the high 80% to mid-90%! To the best of my knowledge, BA has been quite happy with how things are going for them here in very Southern California!

This move does come as a surprise to me. We here in SAN were expecting some sort of change from BA regarding our service but this is certainly not what I expected. Speedbird has been op'd with 77W equip to SAN on several occasions -- 12 times between May '14 and Apr '15 -- and we were wondering if these were some sort of proving flights. I guess maybe they were. With that many subs, I guess no operational issues were revealed with the larger a/c.

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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:12 am

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 12):
BA in recent years have operated a 747 and 777 during there summer schedule and a 747 and 2 x 777 during there winter schedule. As stated in my initial post, Next summer will be the first summer season schedule to see a 747 and 2 777's operate daily for most of the season.

I wonder which would be the latest possible departure from DXB to arrive to London before night restrictions. Maybe there is a niche for BA there?
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:42 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 22):
How much longer will PHL, BWI see 767 service? I hope BA will send 788s into these markets.

PHL has been operated by a 4 class 777 and a 3 class 788 for some time now. At the start of the W15 (25OCT15) schedule BA will be using the 767 to operate to there daily services to BWI, CAI and YYC, it will also be operating BA's 5 x weekly NAS service ( 4 of which continue to GCM). All these destinations, with the exception of YYC, will continue to operate on the 767 until at least the start of the S16 schedule. YYC will switch to being operated by a 788 from 05DEC15.
BWI and NAS are likely to continue to be operated by a 767 until the end of the S16 season.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:18 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 22):
Does BA send the A321s with a true CW product, versus Club Europe to keep the product similar to Aeroflot's Airbus narrowbodies that have true J cabins?

Yes, the A321s with CW cabins are the ones used (except in emergencies). BA management call these Mid-haul.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:52 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 25):
This move does come as a surprise to me. We here in SAN were expecting some sort of change from BA regarding our service but this is certainly not what I expected. Speedbird has been op'd with 77W equip to SAN on several occasions -- 12 times between May '14 and Apr '15 -- and we were wondering if these were some sort of proving flights. I guess maybe they were. With that many subs, I guess no operational issues were revealed with the larger a/c.

Nope no proving flights.

BA's LHR based 3 class 777 fleet only consists of 7 aircraft. Rarely is there a spare 3 class 777 around when another picks up a long delay or develops a technical problem. The company could when this happens substitute the 3 class aircraft with a 219 seat 4 class 777. The only problem is that most of the 3 class aircraft routes are very busy and operate with very high load factors. This would mean having to leave 50+ people behind. Which is inconvenient for the passenger and expensive for the airline.

This is why BA often decide to switch to a if possible switch to a 77W when this happens. The 77W is then operated in a 3 class configuration with the F cabin not used. The aircraft can carry 283 passengers in this configuration making a good replacement for a 275 seat 3 class 777.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:30 am

Quoting kann123air (Reply 14):
Interesting. Glad to see the 744 come back to DFW, even if it is temporary. Not to take anything away from the beautiful 77W, though.

I'll gladly fly a 10-abreast, older 744 any day over a 10-abreast 777...
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:43 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 30):
I'll gladly fly a 10-abreast, older 744 any day over a 10-abreast 777...

So would I, but all BA's 777s are 9-abreast.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:51 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 30):

Well BA 77Ws are 9 abreast.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:05 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 22):
With the financial, and political unrest in Russia, I wonder how long DME will continue to see widebody service? Is widebody service kept in place to stay in competition with SU? Does BA send the A321s with a true CW product, versus Club Europe to keep the product similar to Aeroflot's Airbus narrowbodies that have true J cabins?

Moscow and London have many ties, both leisure passenger numbers as well as highly premium business traffic. Naturally with the financial/political situation, there is a downsize, but that is expected. CW is indeed used and the reason wide bodies are sent is because there is demand, not to keep things competitive with SU. I haven't been on a single MOW-LON routing when my flights were never full in both classes, but my last flight between those cities was a year ago. Of course that is not an indicator, but rather just an observation. Latest traffic figures report a pretty big slump in occupied seats, so obviously things are hurting a bit. When the financial situation rebounds, I would expect capacity to jump right back, whenever that will be.

I'm just interested/surprised that BA categorizes Moscow as a long-haul destination.
 
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Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:12 am

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 27):

PHL has been operated by a 4 class 777 and a 3 class 788 for some time now. At the start of the W15 (25OCT15) schedule BA will be using the 767 to operate to there daily services to BWI, CAI and YYC, it will also be operating BA's 5 x weekly NAS service ( 4 of which continue to GCM). All these destinations, with the exception of YYC, will continue to operate on the 767 until at least the start of the S16 schedule. YYC will switch to being operated by a 788 from 05DEC15.
BWI and NAS are likely to continue to be operated by a 767 until the end of the S16 season.

Thanks for the information, GSTBA. I appreciate it.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 25):
I sure hope F will do well -- BA must be expecting non-economy seating to since there will be 18 fewer coach seats offered next summer!.

It's all good for SAN, bb. Obviously, to bring in a widebody with fewer WT seats is quite telling in that SAN has a decent demand for W & J service.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:58 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 32):

Well BA 77Ws are 9 abreast.

And they are the rare breed...but I think it's only a matter of time...
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:50 am

Wish the A380 was being sent to SFO last year when I went with them!
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:36 pm

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 36):
Wish the A380 was being sent to SFO last year when I went with them!

Just this afternoon I got back from SFO on G-BNLJ and I also wish the A380 had been used. I have nothing against 25 year old 747s but the BA Y (WT) pax experience is definitely better on the A380.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:08 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 29):
Nope no proving flights.

Thanx for the explanation GSTBA; that makes a lot of sense. (I'm sure this has been explained before but this time I get it!)

So if I have the numbers right, SAN will be seeing 22 more total seats per day next summer, but 20 fewer coach seats. And there will certainly be differences in cargo capacity.

As said earlier, BA knows the past performance on this route and I assume they expect to fill a good number of those additional premium seats out of SAN.

Since the 747 (or the 380) wouldn't be real options for SAN, it looks like BA has now put their largest possible a/c on the route. That's a nice accomplishment I think.

That also means any future capacity growth for San Diego by BA would involve additional frequencies, taking us to greater than daily service! Nice possibility some day perhaps!

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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:44 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 38):
So if I have the numbers right, SAN will be seeing 22 more total seats per day next summer, but 20 fewer coach seats. And there will certainly be differences in cargo capacity.

As said earlier, BA knows the past performance on this route and I assume they expect to fill a good number of those additional premium seats out of SAN.

The route attracts a large number of AA frequent flyers especially in J and WTP.

I know that WTP on most flights this summer sold out months in advance. With the cabin often overbooked. Demand for J has also been high with many flight either booked full or overbooked in this cabin.

Only time will tell if there is a demand for a F cabin.

BA will offer a extra 14F, 8J and 20W seats a day by using the 77W. However there will be a total of 20 seats less a day in Y.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:04 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 39):
The route attracts a large number of AA frequent flyers especially in J and WTP.

And there are lots of them in town!

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 39):
I know that WTP on most flights this summer sold out months in advance. With the cabin often overbooked. Demand for J has also been high with many flight either booked full or overbooked in this cabin

This is not surprising to hear, but it's certainly nice to see supporting statements! Everything I hear is positive regarding Speedbird's success & profitability here in San Diego.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 39):
Only time will tell if there is a demand for a F cabin.

I will say that there certainly must be some travelers in San Diego who can and do fly F/C to Europe and beyond. My guess is that many of them go to LAX -- either by air or surface (limo?) -- boarding F/C there. Some are surely on BA, others fly whomever. (The option is to fly domestic F from SAN to a cx gateway hub, then connect to nonstop F to Europe.)

Of course those who take surface transportation between SAN and LAX show as LAX-boarding pax. Those flying SD-LA may or may not show as SAN-originating flyers.

My guess is that BA has a very good idea of just how many pax actually do fly F/C from SAN to Europe (and beyond) and are ready to grab as many of them as they can on this new service next summer! And if they are guessing low, there will be a lot of happy folks at BA HQ come next summer!

I'm optimistic that real First Class nonstop between SAN and LHR will be well-supported.

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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:15 am

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
AUS - BA will begin using a 4 class 787-9 from early February 2016, 787-9 operation will continue during S16. BA currently operate a 3 class 787-8 to AUS.

Way to go AUS!

FWIW I'm glad AUS will still see a 787 instead of a change to something like a 772 that was mentioned some time ago.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:48 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 41):
FWIW I'm glad AUS will still see a 787 instead of a change to something like a 772 that was mentioned some time ago.

A 4 class 777 (12F/48J/32W/127Y) will operate to AUS from 25OCT15 to early February 2016
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:51 am

Are the long haul 767's still definitely being retired next year?

Any idea whether it will be a 787 or 777 taking over LHR-NAS? Or perhaps it will go the way of some of the other 767 routes (Almaty and Entebbe) or a switch to LGW.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:00 am

Quoting bastew (Reply 43):

Supposedly at least one goes after the end of this summer timetable, another during the winter, and the remainder either during Summer 16 or at the end of the S16 timetable. Actual dates depend on the delivery of new 789s, though of course these may replace 763s either directly or by displacing 788s or 772s onto current 763 routes.

Then there are the mid-haul A321s as well which could be used on routes like CAI, but obviously not to NAS!

[Edited 2015-09-22 02:02:42]
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:31 am

For NAS it seems a three class 787-8 would be the closest fit to the current 767 although crewmour has it as a 772.
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:50 am

Quoting bastew (Reply 43):
Are the long haul 767's still definitely being retired next year?

Last info i saw from the timetables still seem to indicate 3x 763s still to be gone this year:
> 1x early Oct following EBB/ALA routes dropped
> 1x late Oct following EWR route switch to 772
> 1x early Dec following YYC switch to 788
The other 4x will be gone next year with two of them making it at least till October 2016 to cover the BWI and NAS-GCM routes which are showing 763s covering the summer 2016 period.
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:58 am

Quoting bastew (Reply 45):
For NAS it seems a three class 787-8 would be the closest fit to the current 767 although crewmour has it as a 772.

The same crewmour is that it will operate on a 772 from LGW from the start of W16

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 46):
The other 4x will be gone next year with two of them making it at least till October 2016 to cover the BWI and NAS-GCM routes which are showing 763s covering the summer 2016 period.

It will also operate CAI which is on the 767 for S16
quote=hkcanadaexpat,reply=46]Last info i saw from the timetables still seem to indicate 3x 763s still to be gone this year:[/quote]
Below are the planned retirement dates for the remaining 767's. This is of course subject to change:

G-BNWI - Late SEP16
G-BNWM - Late OCT16
G-BNWS - DEC15
G-BNWT - DEC15
G-BNWV - OCT15
G-BNWW - JUL16
G-BNWY - Late OCT16

[Edited 2015-09-22 03:07:05]
 
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:30 am

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 47):
Below are the planned retirement dates for the remaining 767's.

Thanks for the info!
Do you know if any of the 7x short-haul 763s are expected to leave the fleet next year or all they all going in 2017/18?
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RE: BA S16 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes

Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:40 am

Is the order for four more 787-8s confirmed? Jethros fleet listing is showing these aircraft, and it seems like either an opportunistic thing to do (not the terrible teens, surely?) to replace the last of the long-haul 767s quickly or there is a very specific plan requiring it. Otherwise why would you not just order more 787-9 and -10s?

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