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United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:06 am

United has one of there 737-700 with split scimitar winglets N21723. Taken today the 17th at John Wayne Airport. Did not have the correct lens with me so I could not fit the whole airplane into the frame.


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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:19 am

Quoting mikey (Thread starter):
United has one of there 737-700 with split scimitar winglets N21723

4 of the 73Gs have the split scimitar winglets...3709, 3716, 3717 & 3723.

All of UAs -700, -800 and -900ERs are being retrofitted with them...
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:19 am

they seem to be retrofitting them at a very quick pace- I was at EWR two days ago and saw a number of 737s of all models (-700/-800/-900) with them. They look sharp!
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:21 am

Great to see the Scimitars make their way to the -700s! Always liked the way they looked.
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:30 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 3):
Great to see the Scimitars make their way to the -700s! Always liked the way they looked.

I agree. I saw my first one Wednesday afternoon at IAH E-9 -- N21723, the same one that Mikey pictured above -- and glimpsed a/c 709 taxiing by yesterday.

Somehow the proportions seemed perfect to me with the Scimitars on the 737-700's short frame.

Ms. 723 looked quite cute ... and I had an errant urge to hug her!

So -- In another thread, someone (perhaps wrongly) suggested that WN hasn't been wowed by the Scimitars they've installed on their -800s. Will we ever see some Luvbird 73Gs sporting them?? That, IMO, would look extra-cute in their livery, but perhaps WN's short stage-lengths don't benefit from having Scimitars, and the cost of installing them on their large 73G fleet would be prohibitive, as CALTECH said.


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United operates only 40 737-700s, while WN has a massive 457 73Gs, according to Airfleets.net.

Who besides UA will install them on the -700? At the very least, PrivatAir, who operates HB-JJA for SAS from SVG to IAH -- a distance of 4210nm -- could benefit from them.


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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:32 am

Remember that WN was slow to add winglets to the 73Gs as well. They are conservative with these things.
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:06 am

Is there much of a market for second-hand winglets?

Would someone like WN purchase them for installation on their non-winglet equipment 73G acquisitions??
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:38 pm

Second hand winglets?? The blended winglet is modified to add the strake and scimitar cap and then reinstalled.
Yes the rumor is that WN does not see the savings from the scimitars vs the cost of mod/install and accidental damage. Maybe be ause WN flies more shorter segments so the true fuel sa ings might not be achieved. United wasn't sure of installing them on the -700 at first either.
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:42 pm

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 6):

Is there much of a market for second-hand winglets?

After modification, those winglets come back as Scimitars. So they will be reused.
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:51 pm

Am I the only person who thinks these winglets are butt ugly?
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:53 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 4):
Who besides UA will install them on the -700? At the very least, PrivatAir, who operates HB-JJA for SAS from SVG to IAH -- a distance of 4210nm -- could benefit from them.

Um, well, considering this just got cancelled, it might not be of much use. Boy, this just got awkward...    Wow!       
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:06 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 1):
4 of the 73Gs have the split scimitar winglets...3709, 3716, 3717 & 3723.

6 actually. 703, 709, 716, 717, 723, and 730.
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:18 pm

Quoting ben175 (Reply 9):
Am I the only person who thinks these winglets are butt ugly?

No sir you are not
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting micstatic (Reply 12):

I also don't like the look of the splits. Are these aircraft all original UA? Didn't they pick up some CM 73G's?
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:35 pm

Quoting res77W (Reply 13):
Didn't they pick up some CM 73G's?

Four.
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:49 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 11):

Quoting United1 (Reply 1):
4 of the 73Gs have the split scimitar winglets...3709, 3716, 3717 & 3723.

6 actually. 703, 709, 716, 717, 723, and 730.

Cool...will have to email the fleet site and ask for it to be updated.
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:54 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 4):
In another thread, someone (perhaps wrongly) suggested that WN hasn't been wowed by the Scimitars they've installed on their -800s. Will we ever see some Luvbird 73Gs sporting them??

Not to hijack the thread, however the answer is no. WN wasn't really impressed by the fuel burn, and won't even be retrofitting the -800s with the convectional winglet. Could this change? perhaps. In the meantime the only -700 with Scimitars you will see in WN colors is the -700 model in the lobby in Dallas.
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:03 pm

Quoting AT (Reply 2):
they seem to be retrofitting them at a very quick pace

As far as I can tell, 5 of 40 73Gs, 99 of 130 738s, and 81 of 136 739s have split scimitar winglets at United so far. Or 60% of the fleet refit.
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:34 pm

Quoting ben175 (Reply 9):

I don't think they're ugly, but the standard winglet has a much cleaner look. They also look like kinda improvised to me.

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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:48 pm

Quoting ben175 (Reply 9):
Am I the only person who thinks these winglets are butt ugly?

They are way ugly, and the 737-900 with Scimitars is the ugliest plane on the planet. Note that I make no statement about the utility or economics of the 737-900, only that when equiped with Split Scimitar winglet it is profoundly ugly.
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:10 pm

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 3):
Great to see the Scimitars make their way to the -700s! Always liked the way they looked.

Yes, they look like Eagle Claws.

http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/HOP_6091.jpg



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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:26 pm

even time i look at the split scimitar I subconsciously feel that it's gonna prick my fingers with that sharp piercing edge
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:03 pm

They look very unattractive, like the wingtip has been in an accident.
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:43 am

Quoting mikey (Thread starter):
Did not have the correct lens with me so I could not fit the whole airplane into the frame.

Or you could have just taken a few steps back before taking the photo.   
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:56 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 23):
Or you could have just taken a few steps back before taking the photo.   

Sometimes not a good idea on an active ramp?
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:40 am

The Boeing designed Split Scimitar has a much more sleek design. Can't wait to see them on the 737MAX family.

love the sleek look of Boeing's own split scimitar!
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:47 am

I love them. How long does it take to install a pair? Where are they getting installed?
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:40 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 24):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 23):Or you could have just taken a few steps back before taking the photo.
Sometimes not a good idea on an active ramp?

Only if you have a complete lack of situational awareness, yes.
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:48 am

Ironic that Boeing has gone towards a design that resembles the winglets on the early A320
while Airbus has migrated from that to them more traditional design.
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:27 am

They remind me of slapping on a cheap body kit onto a car. They look ridiculous. But since they save money you'll see them everywhere.
 
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 28):
Ironic that Boeing has gone towards a design that resembles the winglets on the early A320
while Airbus has migrated from that to them more traditional design.

Actually, not even close. The Boeing737MAX has a winglet much closer to the Scimitar than to the Airbus A-320 Wingfence.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YNWlr4EMZuU/maxresdefault.jpg
http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/HOP_6091.jpg

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They all look great. The newer winglets give them a high tech look, like putting spoilers and wings on Indy cars.

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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:30 pm

Its still ugly, the 'Scimitar' looks all wrong !
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:56 pm

Think it looks just fine.
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:00 pm

Personally, I think the A350 has the best looking wingtip
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:32 pm

Do not like the look of these, these seem too busy. But they do work.

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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:08 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 34):
Do not like the look of these, these seem too busy. But they do work.

As long as the the spiroid winglet like on that Dassault Falcon 50 doesn't become a common thing, I think everyone on this thread will be just fine.   
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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:10 pm

Quoting adamblang (Reply 35):
As long as the the spiroid winglet like on that Dassault Falcon 50 doesn't become a common thing, I think everyone on this thread will be just fine.

That's a Gulfstream II. The Falcon 50 Spiroid Winglets.....

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RE: United 737-700 With Split Scimitar Winglets

Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:58 pm

Like a tattoo on a beautiful woman those 'spiroids' are an obscenity on a Falcon !
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