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Re: First A 320neo for WOW Air

Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:39 pm

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WOW got their first NEO today: https://www.flightradar24.com/WOW321P/d36a604

Does somebody know which engines they chosed?

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Re: First A 320neo for WOW Air

Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:45 pm

AirbusOnly wrote:
WOW got their first NEO today: https://www.flightradar24.com/WOW321P/d36a604

Does somebody know which engines they chosed?


CFM's according to this Airbus press release:
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressreleases/press-release-detail/detail/wow-air-takes-delivery-of-its-first-a320neo/
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:36 pm

Air Astana's first A321neo got its engines installed:

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:17 pm

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Air Astana's first A321neo got its engines installed:

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Are these P&W engines?
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:18 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
Are these P&W engines?


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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 02, 2017 9:31 am

The A319neo got a tail skid installed.

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Wed May 03, 2017 10:17 am

Another SAS delivered:

Airbus A320 -251N 7565 SE-DOZ SAS delivery 03may17 XFW-ARN ex D-AUBD
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Wed May 03, 2017 10:18 am

China Southern's first A321neo completed a RTO yesterday, first flight should follow soon.

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Wed May 03, 2017 11:00 am

MSN 7530, the first P&W powered A321neo customer aircraft, just got airborne on its first flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB530A/d43b286
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Wed May 03, 2017 7:32 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 7530, the first P&W powered A321neo customer aircraft, just got airborne on its first flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB530A/d43b286


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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Thu May 04, 2017 11:46 am

Frontier's next A320neo (MSN 7600) has been named "Sunny the Collared Lizard".

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Thu May 04, 2017 12:49 pm

Does anyone know if the P&W engines for the A321neo are still on schedule to be delivered to US carriers, such as Hawaiian Airlines by Q4 of this year? Are there any further issues that have recently been discovered other than the carbon seal and combustor? Thank you
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 05, 2017 11:17 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Air Astana's first A321neo got its engines installed:

Airborne: https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB567A/
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 05, 2017 2:51 pm

Forgive me if this has been answered before, but is it possible to switch engine types for a future 320neo delivery? How far in advance would that have to be accomplished? I wonder if we will see anyone go from PW->CFM for their future orders.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 05, 2017 3:08 pm

I hope not, PW is significantly quieter and more efficient from what I have seen and heard.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 05, 2017 3:13 pm

flyby519 wrote:
Forgive me if this has been answered before, but is it possible to switch engine types for a future 320neo delivery? How far in advance would that have to be accomplished? I wonder if we will see anyone go from PW->CFM for their future orders.


I believe a lead time of 18-24 months have been mentioned.

And of course CFM has a huge backlog, new customers will have to wait.
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sat May 06, 2017 1:25 am

So I read Jetstar will be receiving A320neo aircraft. Has this been confirmed and when are they expected? Sorry if this has been asked before :)
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sat May 06, 2017 1:44 am

flyby519 wrote:
Forgive me if this has been answered before, but is it possible to switch engine types for a future 320neo delivery? How far in advance would that have to be accomplished? I wonder if we will see anyone go from PW->CFM for their future orders.


IndiGo is considering a switch from PW->CFM.
They ordered NEOs in 2 different orders of 180 & 250 each.
IndiGo will get a choice to change to CFM only after the delivery of first 180 PW NEOs.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sat May 06, 2017 5:09 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
So I read Jetstar will be receiving A320neo aircraft. Has this been confirmed and when are they expected? Sorry if this has been asked before :)


Yes Qantas have A320neo on order that will be delivered to Jetstar.
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 09, 2017 4:17 pm

IndiGo #21 delivered:

Airbus A320 -271N 7510 VT-ITU IndiGo Airlines delivery 09may17 TLS-DEL ex F-WWBD
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Wed May 10, 2017 5:22 am

When will IndiGo get its first A321Neo?
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Wed May 10, 2017 11:25 am

Interjet #3 delivered

Airbus A320 -251N 7581 XA-APA InterJet delivery 10-11may17 TLS-KEF-BGR-TLC ex F-WWIC
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 12, 2017 11:57 am

The second A321neo for Virgin America is airborne:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB639A/
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 12, 2017 9:47 pm

Vistara MSN 7606 first flight today:

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 12, 2017 9:48 pm

speedygonzales wrote:
The second A321neo for Virgin America is airborne:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB639A/


Still with the Virgin America livery:

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 12, 2017 11:17 pm

anshabhi wrote:
When will IndiGo get its first A321Neo?

Something like 2019/2020 I think.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 12, 2017 11:48 pm

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Forgive me if this has been answered before, but is it possible to switch engine types for a future 320neo delivery? How far in advance would that have to be accomplished? I wonder if we will see anyone go from PW->CFM for their future orders.

It's possible but would also be horribly complicated. Contracts would need to be settled, new deals signed, and somehow CFM would be asked to find production slots that match up to aircraft in the pipeline.

I could see it being happy days for lawyers and misery for everyone else, including Airbus who would probably end up having lots of stored aircraft waiting for engines. Look how messy the Qatar Airways thing has become and that's merely one side of the "change".
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Mon May 15, 2017 4:25 pm

A320neo family received new ICAO codes, making tracking easier:

- A319neo: A19N
- A320neo: A20N
- A321neo: A21N

https://blog.flightradar24.com/blog/eas ... g-737-max/
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Mon May 15, 2017 9:09 pm

Any changes on the IATA codes?
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 2:05 am

Vladex wrote:
I hope not, PW is significantly quieter and more efficient from what I have seen and heard.
I don't think that there is any significant differences in the noise levels of the two engines. Fuel consumption data is not publicly available - so it may vary from airline to airline and heavily dependent on how they are deployed.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 3:01 am

flee wrote:
Vladex wrote:
I hope not, PW is significantly quieter and more efficient from what I have seen and heard.
I don't think that there is any significant differences in the noise levels of the two engines. Fuel consumption data is not publicly available - so it may vary from airline to airline and heavily dependent on how they are deployed.

Current LEAP-1As are flying with the low compressor bleed pinned open. That kills fuel burn. No doubt about it, currently the Pratts burn less fuel. But... the low compressor was fixed for the LEAP-1B and will be for the LEAP-1A.

Pratt needs to improve reliability. If they loose Indigo... well, that would hurt them financially.

Short term, LEAP is swamped with the ramp of the 737MAX.

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 7:18 am

Easyjet converts 30 A320neo to A321neo

https://twitter.com/AirlineGeeks/status ... 3Fpage%3D2
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 7:48 am

Someone83 wrote:
Easyjet converts 30 A320neo to A321neo

https://twitter.com/AirlineGeeks/status ... 3Fpage%3D2


maybe going LR? and TATL? would be more and more crowded across the pond.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 7:55 am

This represents another upscaling for Easyjet.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 12:33 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Easyjet converts 30 A320neo to A321neo

https://twitter.com/AirlineGeeks/status ... 3Fpage%3D2


maybe going LR? and TATL? would be more and more crowded across the pond.


It certainly gives them that option at some point. Not with 235 seats I hope!
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 1:16 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
maybe going LR? and TATL? would be more and more crowded across the pond.


I remember that when LR was launched, Airbus stated that was only possible cause of 2% SFC cut that Pratt would deliver by 2019.

Since U2 is CFM operator, im curious if there will be an LR with CFM engines, since no statement about CFMs SFC gains was announced, and information that the engine would be maxed out at 35k thrust.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 4:18 pm

I wonder when the A321's will start to arrive. U2 are currently taking a lot of new deliveries, mostly ceo's, and a few neo's thrown in as well. I'll keep my eyes open on the line.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 4:49 pm

flee wrote:
Vladex wrote:
I hope not, PW is significantly quieter and more efficient from what I have seen and heard.
I don't think that there is any significant differences in the noise levels of the two engines. Fuel consumption data is not publicly available - so it may vary from airline to airline and heavily dependent on how they are deployed.


A320 NEO LR is so far only announced with PW engines which logically means that they are more efficient , hence able to fly longer. As for noise, well LEAP engines are noticeably noisier and by that I mean they still have that buzzing sound like this https://youtu.be/A2Roxy_6faY?t=524

as opposed to PWGTF like this
https://youtu.be/0IYtjXDYGsA?t=395
https://youtu.be/XfhQu7GEQZM?t=366
https://youtu.be/o8L10Sg6wcg?t=33
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Tue May 16, 2017 9:02 pm

Delivery:

Airbus A320 -251N 7514 PR-OBI Avianca Brazil delivery 16-17may17 TLS-SID-POA ex F-WWIZ
 
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Thu May 18, 2017 3:21 pm

Another IndiGo delivered:

Airbus A320 -271N 7504 VT-ITT IndiGo Airlines delivery 18may17 TLS-DEL ex F-WWDL
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 19, 2017 8:58 pm

Sunny the Collared Lizard delivered:

Airbus A320 -251N 7600 N310FR Frontier Airlines delivery 19may17 TLS-YYR-TPA "Sunny the Collared Lizard" ex F-WWIT


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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 19, 2017 9:11 pm

Don't know when the last time someone asked this was, but when will N302FR be delivered (if it is even going to be)?
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 19, 2017 9:13 pm

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Don't know when the last time someone asked this was, but when will N302FR be delivered (if it is even going to be)?


N302FR (MSN 7181) has been cancelled. Instead, the "Flo the Flamingo" livery was applied to N308FR (MSN 7538). I don't know if the registration will be used on another aircraft.
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Fri May 19, 2017 9:17 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
bw50505 wrote:
Don't know when the last time someone asked this was, but when will N302FR be delivered (if it is even going to be)?


N302FR (MSN 7181) has been cancelled. Instead, the "Flo the Flamingo" livery was applied to N308FR (MSN 7538). I don't know if the registration will be used on another aircraft.


Any idea who will take it?
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sat May 20, 2017 5:19 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
...N302FR (MSN 7181) has been cancelled. ...

Cancelled or postponed?
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sat May 20, 2017 6:19 pm

IFixPlanes wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
...N302FR (MSN 7181) has been cancelled. ...

Cancelled or postponed?

It was rejected by FR, but no one has been able to ascertain why so far!
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sun May 21, 2017 9:10 am

audidudi wrote:
IFixPlanes wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
...N302FR (MSN 7181) has been cancelled. ...

Cancelled or postponed?

It was rejected by FR, but no one has been able to ascertain why so far!


It was reported that the aircraft was damaged by a hydraulic explosion.
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sun May 21, 2017 10:16 am

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It was reported that the aircraft was damaged by a hydraulic explosion.

Based on what I heard you should replace "explosion" by hydraulic line rupture and "damage" by extreme contamination ...
Both can be fixed but it takes time - therefore I thought that the delivery only was postponed.
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sun May 21, 2017 3:28 pm

IFixPlanes wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
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It was reported that the aircraft was damaged by a hydraulic explosion.

Based on what I heard you should replace "explosion" by hydraulic line rupture and "damage" by extreme contamination ...
Both can be fixed but it takes time - therefore I thought that the delivery only was postponed.


Fair point. Hydraulic ruptures happen from time to time, even on the A330s and A350s. Airbus repairs it, and most customers are fine with the repairs. However, word is on the street that Frontier rejected MSN 7181 so it's possible that registration N302FR will be used on another aircraft.
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sun May 21, 2017 3:40 pm

First SriLankan A321neo out in the open:

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