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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:16 am

MSN 7001, the 11th IndiGo A320neo, emerged from final assembly.

http://flic.kr/p/DzxZfB
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:12 pm

A Spirit A320neo awaiting engines at TLS:


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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:47 am

Seems like LH's 2nd A320neo is having its first flight now
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:47 am

The first neo for IndiGo is at the delivery center in TLS:
http://i64.tinypic.com/2my90ev.png

//Edit: Callsign changed to a testflightnumber:
http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB06DM/8b8b66b

Going for first acceptance flight me thinks  

[Edited 2016-02-04 00:49:58]

[Edited 2016-02-04 00:50:12]
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:17 am

Oh oh
That, will be a good sign !
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:22 am

Several additional photos of the CFM powered A321neo:

http://flic.kr/p/DAVXMC
http://flic.kr/p/DAVX5A
http://flic.kr/p/CPQqAG
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:45 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 141):

From a distance it actually looks like a mini A359 IMO  
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:08 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 90):
The earlier RB211-535C were the fuel guzzlers, the later, from 1990, RB211-535E4 are not much worse than the P&W and have a good performance retention.

The RB211-535E4 entered service in 1984.
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:34 pm

Quoting kurtverbose (Reply 143):
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 90):
The earlier RB211-535C were the fuel guzzlers, the later, from 1990, RB211-535E4 are not much worse than the P&W and have a good performance retention.

The RB211-535E4 entered service in 1984.

But the RB211-535EA got a serious upgrade in 1990, using technology developt for the Tren700. That is the standard I am talking about.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:26 pm

Apparently Airbus and P&W are negotiating delays of about 2 months:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-airbus-a320neo-idUKKCN0VE1IE
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:33 pm

It says 'some' deliveries, I wonder if the article refers to Qatar Airways? We know Lufthansa and IndiGo are taking frames without the engine fix.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:43 pm

And now we have a photo of the CFM powered A321neo in the a.net database:


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Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:53 pm

Indigo ?

No deliveries yet ? Or did I miss something?
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:36 pm

Meanwhile:

Quoting FlightGlobal:

CFM claims 50-second start-up time for A320neo engine

Start-up times are not a problem for the Leap-1A engine nearing entry into service in mid-2016 for the Airbus A320neo, manufacturer CFM International says.

Each of the two Leap-1A engines installed on an A320neo need 50s to spool-up after the activation sequence is started, says CFM executive vice-president Allen Paxson, speaking on a teleconference with journalists on 5 February.

That timing comes within “a handful of seconds” of the CFM56 engine that the Leap-1A replaces on the A320 family, he adds.

It also appears to contrast with the start-up time requirement for the first batch of Pratt & Whitney PW1100G engines, CFM’s rival for orders on the A320neo

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-up-time-for-a320neo-engin-421665/
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:40 pm

What is the startup time of the PW1100G when we take the cooling fix into account?
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Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:49 am

Article on Bloomberg claiming first A321 flight will be with CFM engines.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...s-for-a321neo-first-flight-uses-cf


"Airbus Group SE decided not to use engines made by Pratt & Whitney to power the first test flight of its A321neo, the largest and most widely-ordered variant of its new single-aisle plane, and will instead use those made by rival CFM International.

Airbus played down the switch, saying it didn’t matter which engines were used for initial flights. The planemaker still intends to deliver the first A321neos powered by United Technologies Corp.’s Pratt & Whitney by the end of 2016, with the CFM-powered A321neos being handed over in early 2017, said Stefan Schaffrath, an Airbus spokesman. CFM is a joint venture of General Electric Co. and France’s Safran SA.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:24 am

Hardly a surprise. The P&W A321neo was supposed to fly at the end of 2015.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:03 pm

Is it me or are the Aeroflot and China Eastern A321's sitting where a IndiGo and Spirit A320neo used to be?
A320 family planes by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

Like in this picture: http://flic.kr/p/DzxZfB

Might suggest they went for engine fit  
//Edit: upon second look, the IndiGo one might be in paint, but the Spirit neo might have a chance to be in engine fit

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:29 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 97):
Engines have been removed from Qatar's first A320neo.

And now we know where those engines (probably) went to:

Quote:

Pratt & Whitney is already having to juggle engines for the A321neo test program, a person familiar with the company’s efforts said. ​The A321neo maiden flight ​will use engines intended for a Qatar Airways A320neo jet. Those engines are available after the Doha-based carrier last year stepped back from its role as launch operator of the A320neo to allow the resolution of an issue that caused the engines to take longer to start.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/airbus-s...or-first-a321neo-flight-1454872342
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:34 pm

Now the question would be why the original P&W A321neo test engines are late. I mean, they could have flown the testbed at the end of 2015 without the engine fix, if the engines were available.
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Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:02 pm

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 154):
Pratt & Whitney is already having to juggle engines for the A321neo test program, a person familiar with the company’s efforts said. ​The A321neo maiden flight ​will use engines intended for a Qatar Airways A320neo jet.

If the A321neo maiden flight will be flown with P&W engines at all.......
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 155):
Now the question would be why the original P&W A321neo test engines are late. I mean, they could have flown the testbed at the end of 2015 without the engine fix, if the engines were available.

Just as I was writing that post, Bloomberg published the following article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-for-a321neo-first-flight-uses-cfm

Quote:
Airbus Group SE has decided not to use Pratt & Whitney engines that have suffered engineering glitches for the first test flight of its A321neo, the largest and most widely-ordered variant of the European company’s new single-aisle jet, and will instead employ rival turbines from CFM International.


Kinda answers my question.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:07 pm

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 153):
family planes by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

Is it suddenly forbidden to take photos in XFW? Do the local spotters have to creep through the bushes to take a secret photo?
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:19 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 157):

Kinda answers my question.

Well, I actually think that the "Engineering Glitches" they talk about are about the GTF in general i.e. the known cooling problems and not the A321neo test engines.

The engineering glitches in the GTF are the reason the LEAP will fly first.

//Edit: So essentially using the QR engines on the A321 still gives them engines with engineering glitches

[Edited 2016-02-08 05:22:52]
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:52 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 157):

Just as I was writing that post, Bloomberg published the following article:

Thats basically whay I posted already in reply #151 Karel.
Together with the picture you posted in reply #147, the pieces starts to fall into place.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:02 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 158):

Isn't that place inaccessible for land based spotters on the XFW side?

I assume the picture is taken from the "water bus" that stops at the Airbus site ?
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:00 pm

Quoting WIederling (Reply 161):
Isn't that place inaccessible for land based spotters on the XFW side?

Based on what is visible on the picture I think XFW Spotter was hiding over here  http://i63.tinypic.com/w2tjl.jpg
 
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Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:26 pm

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 162):

Looks good. That is just outside of the perimeter fence on the levy.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:35 pm

The A321neo did some taxi rolls today:
A321neo Airbus Industrie D-AVXB by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

Last time we saw that (with D-AVVB) the first flight was the next day  

More on: www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter
 
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Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:36 pm

Is the new door arrangement with smaller overwing exits etc only for high density A321neos??
 
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Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:42 pm

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 164):

Good pic!

I expected a little more from the A321neo quite honestly. It's definitely not bad though. Looks the best of the A32x neo series.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:04 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 165):
Is the new door arrangement with smaller overwing exits etc only for high density A321neos??

It is an option which makes sense for higher densities, but you can also use the common layout.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...of-a321neo-with-new-cabin-options/
 
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Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:56 pm

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 164):
Last time we saw that (with D-AVVB) the first flight was the next day  

First Flight scheduled for 11:00 tomorrow  
 
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Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:59 am

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 153):
//Edit: upon second look, the IndiGo one might be in paint, but the Spirit neo might have a chance to be in engine fit

The Spirit bird is still outside:


A320neo Spirit Airlines N901NK by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 169):

Yup, saw the picture yesterday as well  
I really hoped it was in engine fit, all the Spirit neo renders are in the old White and Blue livery and I think the neo would look really cool in the all Yellow  

Looking forward to it
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:23 am

First Flight of A321-251 underway:

http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB839A/8c477fe
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:28 pm

I thought A321neo can be distinguished with two overwing exits & a removed Aft-wing emergency door, I can see this test aircraft housing original A321ceo door configuration !!

[Edite: Apologies, I can see it discussed above]

[Edited 2016-02-09 05:30:10]
 
 
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Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:03 pm

Still in the air. Is this the first flight of a LEAP powered A32x neo, btw? Or only first flight for the A321neo?
 
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Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:05 pm

LEAP powered A320neo flew last year, today is the first flight of the A321neo.
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Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:06 pm

First 321NEO of any type. The PW is still on the naughty step so the LEAP was allowed out to play.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:06 pm

Just A321neo first flight. Was meant to already be landing but I don't know why it's still in the air.
 
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Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:10 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 176):
LEAP powered A320neo flew last year, today is the first flight of the A321neo

Thank you, missed that one. The plane is already flying for almost 4 hours, entirely in Germany. So to me it seems it won't fly to TLS.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:11 pm

but I don't know why it's still in the air.

Just showing off to the one on the ground!

But seriously I guess its gotta do the work of two right now.
 
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Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:12 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 179):

Yhh was planned to go to TLS until an hour before takeoff, but then they changed it for some reason. I don't mind :P
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:58 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 149):
CFM claims 50-second start-up time for A320neo engine

CFM56 is 40 seconds IIRC, so this is really good. I don't know the times for IAE V2500 but it had a longer startup than CFM56.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 158):
Is it suddenly forbidden to take photos in XFW? Do the local spotters have to creep through the bushes to take a secret photo?
Quoting trex8 (Reply 165):
Is the new door arrangement with smaller overwing exits etc only for high density A321neos??

Note that this new door option will only be available end of 2017, all initial A3210NEOs will have the classic door configuration.
Not only for high density, I can also see it being attractive to legacy carriers who want more flexibility in configuring the cabin (the 2L door space limits their options), such as multiple-class for TATL. Most don't use 2L systematically anyway (apart from LH at FRA, who else?). I can see it becoming the de-facto standard A321NEO configuration.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:02 pm

That Spirit A320neo is not going anywhere soon.

http://twitter.com/airkarp/status/697071362809192448

Quote:
CFO T. Christie: Spirit Airlines has 'been advised to anticipate several months delays' for 1 or more A320neos scheduled for 2016 delivery.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 9

Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:36 pm

Second LH A320neo is airborne on its second flight:

http://fr24.com/AIB864B/8c4de00

Delivery scheduled next Friday.
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On final Approach to XFW

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