|Quoting csturdiv (Reply 90):|
Yes, because a dimmed window shade on a B787 is soooooooo hard to look out of. I mean look at this picture. I couldn't even see the wing or the clouds......oh wait.
That isn't the darkest setting. When I flew on the 787-9, the darkest setting I could get it to looked something like this:
So while you can still see out, it is significantly darker and everything has a blu-ish tinge. That being said, it's still better than solid window shades through which passengers can see nothing at all.
I think the electrochromatic technology on the 787's windows are fantastic, and a marked improvement over traditional window shades (personally, I don't think planes should have window shades at all, but that's another story). For those like me that want to look outside, I think it's a good compromise. The drawback, however, is that if the crew has locked the windows at the darkest setting, it is not possible to see outside at night. I tried setting the window to the darkest setting during an overnight flight on the 787, and I couldn't even see the strobe lights, let alone the wings, engine, and stars.
|Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 98):|
Having said that, sometimes I really ask myself why some people here have even bothered to join an aviation enthusiasts website. Its quite a sad thing that in todays cattle class car world of aviation, some would still like to take the last bit of enjoyment away from some who still have a passion for air travel just so they can watch TV or sleep.
Totally agreed. One of the rare joys of flying is being able to see the earth from above the clouds. Even if it's a long trans-Pacific or trans-Atlantic flight, there are still sights to see - cloud formations, ships, islands, the curvature of the earth, the wings and engines, and, at night, the stars, and the moon. I can never sleep on planes partly because there's so much going on outside that I don't want to miss. Why watch a movie when you can do that just as easily on the ground?
|Quoting Planesmart (Reply 124):|
The airline can alter the crew accessible range, and the crew can alter the passenger accessible range. You can't see out of the darkest setting if available, certainly not to the extent of an earlier photo used as an example. That might have been the darkest setting on THE flight, but that is not the darkest setting available.
Ah, that's news to me. I thought that there was only five settings, rather than multiple settings with 5 accessible ones. Still, a.netter tdscanuck
has previously advised that even at the darkest possible setting, it is still possible to see outside.
|Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 133):|
It seems your opinion has to outweigh that of others, we maybe in the minority wanting natural light in a cabin but to call us sellfish when all you're intrested in is what you want is at best hypocritical.
|Quoting PDX88 (Reply 138):|
But I've got to put up with a bright cabin with your shade being open all 14 hours because a dark cabin irritates you? See how your argument only benefits you?
No, it benefits those who want to look outside and/or those who want a bright cabin. I think it is a bit rich calling people who want the windows open 'selfish' when those who want a dark cabin are also being 'selfish', because they want their needs (or more precisely, wants) to the detriment of others. Both sides are being hypocritical when calling the other selfish. The only fair solution I see is for the cabin crew to not enforce a window shade policy at all, and hand out eyeshades for those who want to sleep.
|Quoting arffguy (Reply 148):|
And just because it is dark outside doesn't mean there is nothing to see. (city lights, airports lit up and other air traffic.)