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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:23 pm

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 44):
I think this could be right.. I am curious to see how G4 fairs in the MCI market as it is completely Florida-centric. I have not heard a lot of buzz yet
Quoting enilria (Reply 46):
G4 has a unique advantage with their packaging. They are more like Apple than NK.

Allegiant is currently looking to tweak/expand their business model to capture some spill traffic in non-lesiure P2P markets. MCI is one they supposedly are considering for that type of flights.

Quote:
Bricker said Allegiant is moving into a phase of its growth strategy where it can start connecting smaller markets as well as fly to vacation destinations. He said Kansas City's future may be inspired by the company's experience at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (Code: CVG) where Allegiant is finding success flying nonstop to nearby destinations that are underserved by incumbent airlines.

Bricker said Allegiant is already considering a few similar flights out of Kansas City, but he said the company's plans call for slow and deliberate growth. Right now, the company is just focused on establishing itself in the market. Bricker said the company is not looking to take any market share away from other airlines.
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascit...air-kansas-city-airport-plans.html

But Allegiant is also expressing concern about the potential for increased costs from MCI's proposed terminal project:

Quote:
Because of its low-cost business model, the airline is highly sensitive to changes in the cost of flying out of an airport. For example, Allegiant spokesman Justin Ralenkotter issued the following statement on the airline's behalf on the simmering plans to carry out major work at the airport. "Allegiant agrees on the need for terminal renovations at the Kansas City airport, but believes plans need to proceed with strong attention to the costs for air carriers," the statement said.
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:10 pm

Not shown here, but F9 just announced a number of new Florida routes as well as DEN-PHL/CLT.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 42):

Is the F9 TTN drawdown real or a filing error?

I'm surprised that TTN-ATL/RDU/CLT are all gone, and only Florida service is left out of TTN during the winter. Out of PHL, it cuts PHL-ATL/ORD/CLT but puts in PHL-DEN?

It doesn't make much sense to me for it to stimulate a market, over-serve it to duplication (with PHL and TTN having the same routes), then abandon both sets of routes atleast with ORD and ATL, and give those to Spirit, and try to find a new customer base for low fares flights out DEN now.

On the other side, maybe F9 has succeeded getting market share on PHL/TTN-MCO flying, if Spirit is reducing ACY-MCO to 2x from 3x.

[Edited 2015-09-29 11:08:28]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:34 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 41):
They shortened the season close-in which tells me it sucked, but Summer may be good enough.

They said it would end in the fall. It's ending in mid-November, which is the fall.

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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:37 pm

Quoting irishayes (Reply 47):
is QR DFW-DOH being re-numbered?
I'm surprised there is not more discussion of that QR disappearance.
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 50):
Allegiant is currently looking to tweak/expand their business model to capture some spill traffic in non-lesiure P2P markets.
True. I wonder how it is going.
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 51):
Not shown here, but F9 just announced a number of new Florida routes as well as DEN-PHL/CLT.

Actually, 4 of the 8 were here first.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
F9 MCI-MCO JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
F9 IAH-MCO JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
F9 IND-RSW JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
F9 STL-TPA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:50 pm

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 52):
It doesn't make much sense to me for it to stimulate a market, over-serve it to duplication (with PHL and TTN having the same routes), then abandon both sets of routes atleast with ORD and ATL, and give those to Spirit, and try to find a new customer base for low fares flights out DEN now.

ULCC pax are almost completely opportunistic.

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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:58 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 54):
Actually, 4 of the 8 were here first.

Ah, my mistake

Quoting enilria (Reply 54):
I'm surprised there is not more discussion of that QR disappearance.

As mentioned it very well could be a renumbering.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Mistake???
**QR DFW-DOH MAR 1.0>0.8 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 54):
I'm surprised there is not more discussion of that QR disappearance.
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 56):
As mentioned it very well could be a renumbering.

Still showing on Kayak.com
Qatar Airways - Flight 729 (Coach) 15h 55m
Operated by Qatar Airways
8:10a Thu, Apr 21 DOH Doha, Qatar
4:05p Thu, Apr 21 DFW Dallas, TX
Boeing 777-200LR (Wide-body Jet)

And in res systems:
21APR QR729 DOHDFW 810A 405P 77L 16hr 55m

Albeit with different elapsed times.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:24 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 57):
Still showing on Kayak.com

these updates from Enrilia don't show up until the following week in the booking systems /GDS

however we are a big Qatar customer and they would have sent notice of DFW discontinue but I guess we shall see!
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:32 pm

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 58):
these updates from Enrilia don't show up until the following week in the booking systems /GDS

That's not true for all carriers. It depends when during the week the carrier loads their schedule as well as their policy of how they distribute their schedules. This report is a snapshot of a file that changes multiple times throughout the week.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 52):
if Spirit is reducing ACY-MCO to 2x from 3x.

ACY-MCO goes from 3 A319's to 2 A321's, so I believe its an uptick in seats.... according to Spirit website, 8 of the 10 ACY departures starting in Mid- Nov will be on the A321 with MYR and the kick-off FLL remaining A319's
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:19 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 4):

Would assume that is a cut for the winter slow season...a quick check on UA.com 15 daily flights on that route in June

April is the slow winter season? Maybe. But at that point, they really are running seasonal flights to make up the JFK capacity which was not seasonal.

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):

PHL-LHR 2.0 - 1.0
JFK-LHR 3.0-4.0
MIA-FRA 0.0-1.0

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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:45 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
**UA EWR-NCL MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.9
UA started NCL in May 2015 as a summer season route

We recently had a thread called UA Seasonal Routes. Others confirmed that NCL was returning and in fact being increased. If you read my thread you already knew this.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 18):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Mistake???
**QR DFW-DOH MAR 1.0>0.8 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0

still bookable on QR's site so must be the case

Between the US and Saudi Arabia, QR's DOH-DFW route is one of my favorite routes with nice connections on AA in DFW. QR is expensive, but I like them. This flight is always packed every time I take it. I know load factor is only part of it, but flights are full and not cheap. Last time I even met people coming from Mexico and traveling all the way to India on AA/QR.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 23):
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
UA IAH-DFW FEB 9>10 MAR 9>10 JUN 9>10

Never ceases to amaze me how much capacity there is between Houston and Dallas....what it is 10XAA 10XUA 21XWN. If there was ever a market for HS Rail in the USA this would be one of the top contenders....

This is not a surprise, UA's flights to IAH are often full. I am surprised they are not adding more flights due to the discontinuation of DAL flights.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 FLL-SJO JAN 1.0>1.5 FEB 1.0>1.2

B6 SJO-FLL from 7x to 11x weekly.
B6 would face NK FLL-SJO 13x weekly.

B6 539.....FLL 23:30....01:17+1 SJO.....Ex Tu, We, Th
B6 538.....SJO 05:00........08:47 FLL.....Ex We, Th, Fr
Effective: seasonal from January 08th.


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RE: OAG Changes 10/2/2015: UA To NCL, NK Trims MCI

Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:34 am

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 56):
Quoting enilria (Reply 54):
I'm surprised there is not more discussion of that QR disappearance.

As mentioned it very well could be a renumbering.

That shouldn't make it disappear, but I agree it is 99% likely to be a screw up.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 57):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Mistake???
**QR DFW-DOH MAR 1.0>0.8 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 54):
I'm surprised there is not more discussion of that QR disappearance.
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 56):
As mentioned it very well could be a renumbering.

Still showing on Kayak.com
Qatar Airways - Flight 729 (Coach) 15h 55m
Operated by Qatar Airways
8:10a Thu, Apr 21 DOH Doha, Qatar
4:05p Thu, Apr 21 DFW Dallas, TX
Boeing 777-200LR (Wide-body Jet)

And in res systems:
21APR QR729 DOHDFW 810A 405P 77L 16hr 55m

Albeit with different elapsed times.

It's just weird. They filed a schedule with that flight not in it. You wonder how such a bonehead mistake happens and how long before it was caught.

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 58):
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 57):
Still showing on Kayak.com

these updates from Enrilia don't show up until the following week in the booking systems /GDS
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 59):

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 58):
these updates from Enrilia don't show up until the following week in the booking systems /GDS

That's not true for all carriers.

That's correct. There are three ways for it to get to them. 1) From OAG or Innovata, 2) Directly from the airline instead of through OAG, and 3) If they use somebody like Sabre as their in-house RES system, it will instantaneously update all systems using Sabre when they update their internal system. So, any combination of timing is possible.

Frontier's changes had not yet shown up in GDS because they apparently don't do #2 or #3.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 62):
We recently had a thread called UA Seasonal Routes. Others confirmed that NCL was returning and in fact being increased. If you read my thread you already knew this.

Sorry. I am tasked with marking things that are "new", but while others specialize in a region or a city, I am expected to know the whole USA in terms of what is announced or not. So, if I'm right 80% of the time on that I think I'm doing very well.

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