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Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:04 pm

EK will now operate its last Airbus A340-500 revenue flight on Saturday October 3, operating flight EK641 from KBL to DXB. This has been extended from the original date of September 30. Only a single example of the type is left in fleet; A6-ERE.


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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:10 pm

I got on an Emirates A345 last year NBO-DXB. Was very happy I did, doubt I'll ever get on another one again.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:13 pm

Which route is it flying?
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:23 pm

It only does Kabul strangely.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:27 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 3):
It only does Kabul strangely.

Makes sense. It's a short route, so the fuel efficiency disadvantage of the 345 matters less, and KBL is hot and high, where the 345 does very well.

These aircraft are gorgeous. I saw one in person once in CHC and won't forget it. Too bad the economics didn't live up to the looks. So far, there is not a lot of interest in them on the secondary market. A couple have been sold as VIP, but most of them are still available.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:39 pm

That's too bad. I was fortunate to fly the A345 between BEY and DXB back in 2012 when they were fairly common. Great ride, and I loved those huge engines. Interestingly I noticed that it seemed louder while boarding than other aircraft, almost like that had an engine running instead of the APU.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:45 pm

It could do more places rather than sit idle after the daily KBL flight, send it to other places close by.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:53 pm

Bye bye bird. I flew EK A345 in 2011 DAR - DXB
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:03 pm

Any idea where she will go for part out ?


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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:10 pm

Shame that the economics weren't there, the 343/345 on EK much more comfortable/quiet than the 77W.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:14 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 3):
It only does Kabul strangely.

Apart from the economics as mentioned above, the insurance company and accountants also would mind it less if something happened at Kabul with an A-345 (ground gunfire etc) compared to say a shiny new 77W. Same reason MEA was stuck with 707s til 1998, the insurance company didn't like them having modern Airbuses til the early 1990s around BEY.
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:27 pm

EK can drop it off in my front yard. I think it is one of the most handsome airliners ever built. Unfortunately it had far too short of a lifespan except as a VIP transport.
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:28 pm

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 11):
I see what you're doing

One needn't look past the username to see the baiting. Now watch the fish take the bait and this turn into a "my favourite plane maker is better than your favourite planemaker."
Pedantic.

Sad to see another the EK fleet lose a little diversity, but time marches on.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:37 pm

I flew this on DXB-BNE non-stop back in 2008 and got upgraded to J from Y. My first upgrade ever  
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:42 pm

Quoting diverted (Reply 14):
One needn't look past the username to see the baiting. Now watch the fish take the bait and this turn into a "my favourite plane maker is better than your favourite planemaker." Pedantic.

No need to try your hand at amateur shrinking, as it's far more basic than you're attempting to make it.

I just plain dislike that particular aircraft, and am thrilled to finally to see it go. Nothing more.

Would welcome an A330, A350, and more A380s in its place, any day.

[Edited 2015-09-29 17:19:23]
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:59 am

Everyone please keep civil.

The A345 is a lovely aircraft with a short economic life.

I'm sad to see her go as the first project I ever worked post school (not a coop) was an engine offer for the type. (Not won, obviously.)

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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:00 am

Could someone explain what the aesthetic appeal of the A345 to me is? It just looks like an A343 but with different engines to me.
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:14 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
Could someone explain what the aesthetic appeal of the A345 to me is?

That is a very difficult question, I don't know you or what you like, so really cannot help you.  
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:17 am

Quoting avek00 (Reply 17):
I'm amused that EK (understandably) retired its 345s ahead of the 343 fleet.

No real surprise.

Setting aside of course the A330s, the A343 turned out to be "Old Faithful" of the A340 family:
solid, consistent, and with a freakishly-amazing safety record.

Reflected in the sales too-- IINM, better than the A342, A345, and A346 combined.




Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
Could someone explain what the aesthetic appeal of the A345 to me is?

   ^THIS.

People fawn over the A345, despite it being short, stubby, and disproportional in just about every way.....
....yet they dismiss the A380 as ugly, for those same supposed reasons!

I never understood that disparity.

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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:22 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 21):
People fawn over it, despite it being it's short, stubby, disproportional in just about every way

Aesthetically, I personally think it looks wonderful! The A346 is WAY too long, and the A342/A343 are the right length, but don't have the right engines proportionally.

I think it's the nicest looking quad, besides the 747-400/-8.
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:09 am

Quoting col (Reply 20):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
Could someone explain what the aesthetic appeal of the A345 to me is?

That is a very difficult question, I don't know you or what you like, so really cannot help you.

It has very nice proportions. Pity that it's so uneconomical.
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:18 am

End of an era.. one of the most beautiful airliners of recent vintage. It's a pity I never got a chance to fly on one of these.
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:22 am

Must be a happy day to remove their biggest error when ordering aircraft.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:33 am

I rode on these. Very quiet aircraft, that was the main feeling. And an insanely long takeoff roll out of JFK.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:42 am

Their A310 was used to serve three destinations despite being ratined for a specific one said to be Peshwaer but not sure if that had gone A330, so Alexandria then was the main A310 only route and Kuwait as an additional point besides other aircraft used there, so why is this only doing Kabul?
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:55 am

Emirates didn't only send them to Kabul recently! I saw one or "the only one" in Doha last Saturday evening (about 8pm local time) and while taxiing out for a departure to AUH (onboard a 777-200LR - how ironic) I thought I should have gone via Dubai, to fly with it, but luckily my Etihad flight to Istanbul the next day was onboard A6-EHD, another 345   -

Sad to see them go! Such lovely aircraft!
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:12 am

My only flight on the A340-500 was exactly on A6-ERE which is the last one standing with EK.
It was long ago, 2004 from SYD to DXB. Back then it was a brand new machine and the one which allowed EK to offer direct services for the first time between DXB and Australia.

It was a great flight, despite being over 13 hours long and I was sitting in economy.

Good bye gorgeous.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:22 am

Is Etihad also doing away with their A345?
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:26 am

Clearly there is money to be made at Kabul.

Makes sense to use the most expendable airframe in such a volatile place.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:27 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 26):

I rode on these. Very quiet aircraft, that was the main feeling.

Yeah, that's also my main memory of those two A345 flights I took, on EK, back in 2011.
Just checking - those were on A6-ERC and -ERJ, which were withdrawn from use in November and March, respectively. Pity to see them go, as particularly the -500 looks just right, proportion-wise.

My only A340 flights to date were actually on the -500 and -600 variants; who would have thought that they'd have a much shorter commercial life than the -300?
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:30 am

I flew EK A340-500 A6-ERJ back in 2012....also it was my daughter's first ever flight, she was 5 months old at the time ! I was lucky as scheduled flight was supposed to be A330-200 however for some reason they had upgraded it to A345 that day...   lovely aircraft !
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:14 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 20):
People fawn over the A345, despite it being short, stubby, and disproportional in just about every way.....
....yet they dismiss the A380 as ugly, for those same supposed reasons!

I never understood that disparity.

While the 380 and the 74?s are - too my mind - equally ugly, fat, short, disproportioned - the hump on the 74?s is terrible, when it rolls on its tiny, tiny front.-wheel, the plane looks VERY fat - the 345 has a much better relation between its basic geometric dimensions. It is not too slim - as the 346 is - and not too fat, its nose - comparable to the old Douglas noses - is much nicer than that of the 77?s . The 342s' and 343s' engines are too small in relation to the fuselage. The 345's "proportions" - in the mathematically literal meaning of the word - are un-excitingly harmonious, a nice lady, who does not screw herself up by trying to "attain something special esthetically", comparable to the DC8s', while the 707 never attained the esthetics of the DC8.

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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:19 pm

How many 345 were delivered and how many airlines still fly factory-delivered aircraft?
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:35 pm

Very sad. The A340-500 is a lovely aircraft, both outside and inside. I've been lucky enough to fly on A6-ERC(?) and A6-ERG. I hope this frame find new owners.

I remember the excitement many, many years ago (before I was an avgeek) of opening Emirates' A340-500 brochure at a travel expo somewhere. It looked so futuristic!

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):
Could someone explain what the aesthetic appeal of the A345 to me is?

Hope this helps:
http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/media/images/stories/EmiratesA340-500.jpg

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):
It just looks like an A343 but with different engines to me.

Size matters. 
Quoting MaxiAir (Reply 27):
luckily my Etihad flight to Istanbul the next day was onboard A6-EHD, another 345  

The aircraft look even better in Etihad's livery.   

Quoting Ferroviarius (Reply 33):

Well explained.
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:45 pm

Glad I caught a ride on one when I did. Non-reved DXB-JNB back in July 2010 on ERD. One of my more memorable trips as we got to watch a pretty amazing sunset coming down the east coast of Africa.
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:48 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 34):
How many 345 were delivered and how many airlines still fly factory-delivered aircraft?

34 were delivered. EY (4 planes, apparently retiring theirs soon too), AZAL Azerbaijan Airlines (2 planes), and Hi Fly (2 planes, one maybe stored?) are the only commercial operators. The rest are private/government aircraft or stored (mostly stored).
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:49 pm

Quoting col (Reply 9):
Shame that the economics weren't there, the 343/345 on EK much more comfortable/quiet than the 77W.

Is not the comfort of the aircraft airline specific? I thought it depended on how the airlines fitted the aircraft was how comfortable it was. I have flown different airlines with the same aircraft but have had wildly different experiences in terms of comfort and noise. I guess that also depends on where you sit on an aircraft.
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:28 pm

Quoting Flighty:

I rode on these. Very quiet aircraft, that was the main feeling. And an insanely long takeoff roll out of JFK.


Too bad this ac did not pencil. It was very comfortable and I loved the LA to Sing/Thai direct flights.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:37 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 16):
Could someone explain what the aesthetic appeal of the A345 to me is? It just looks like an A343 but with different engines to me.

For me, it's those different (larger) engines that make it look so good.



Quoting brilondon (Reply 36):
Is not the comfort of the aircraft airline specific? I thought it depended on how the airlines fitted the aircraft was how comfortable it was.

In terms of seats, that is true. However Airbus frames in general have superior sound insulation compared to Boeing frames so in flight their airframes are quieter.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 27):
Is Etihad also doing away with their A345?

Most likely.....

Quoting Polot (Reply 35):
EY (4 planes, apparently retiring theirs soon too)
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting Ferroviarius (Reply 31):
While the 380 and the 74?s are - too my mind - equally ugly, fat, short, disproportioned - the hump on the 74?s is terrible

Careful. Dislike of the Hunchback of Puget Sound isn't taken lightly 'round these parts.  


Quoting Polot (Reply 35):
34 were delivered. EY (4 planes, apparently retiring theirs soon too), AZAL Azerbaijan Airlines (2 planes), and Hi Fly (2 planes, one maybe stored?) are the only commercial operators. The rest are private/government aircraft or stored (mostly stored).

Doesn't one of the African airlines have it in service too? TAAG or Arik?
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:56 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 40):
Careful. Dislike of the Hunchback of Puget Sound isn't taken lightly 'round these parts.   

Well compared to the Hunchback of Mukilteo...   
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:57 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 40):
Doesn't one of the African airlines have it in service too? TAAG or Arik?

Arik did, 2 of them in fact. They were/are HiFly's planes though. One of them appears to be no longer with Arik (HiFly has it painted in a modified version of Arik's livery and appears to be using it for general charter work). I don't think Arik is operating the other one anymore either, rather using the A332 for their LHR/JFK routes, but I am unsure what HiFly is doing with it right now, which is why I suggested one of theirs may be stored.

Both planes where originally destined for Kingfisher but were ntu, along with the 2 additional A345s that sat around for ~4 years before Azal took them.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:04 pm

One thing I don't get, is that this aircraft was sold as a long haul alternative, and it has 4 engines, but is the economics that bad compared to a T7 ? it must be but HOW BAD? I remember once someone said that the engine cost and maintenance was killing the A345 A346...is that really true?

Such a shame a very nice aircraft, very capable, but guess nobody could use it in a way to ensure its viability and survival with other options on the market..

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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:07 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 38):
For me, it's those different (larger) engines that make it look so good.

That, and the slightly longer fuselage give this aircraft almost perfect dimensions. Still the best looking civil aviation airliner imho. Sad to see them go but that is just the nature of things.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:07 pm

Does the 345 have a different wing than the regular 340?

But for aesthetics, the engines really make the difference. For proportionality, too. The regular 340 engines look way too small.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:09 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 45):
Does the 345 have a different wing than the regular 340?

It is a bit wider and strengthened to carry the weight of the heavier engines afaik compared to the regular A340.  
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:25 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 16):
Could someone explain what the aesthetic appeal of the A345 to me is? It just looks like an A343 but with different engines to me.

To me it's the proportions, the classic Airbus fuselage that tapers smoothly at both ends, and the wings/winglet.
That it is a quad doesn't hurt either. Looking at a 777 for example, the engines look enormous and out of proportion. By the same token the hair driers on the A343 make it look like something is missing. So yes, IMO the engines make all the difference between the A343 and A345.
 
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:33 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 47):
Looking at a 777 for example, the engines look enormous and out of proportion.

Bah. They set the standard for twins: look at the A350 and A320NEO.
The previous twins just had hairdryers.  
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RE: Emirates Retires Final A340-500 3rd October

Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:33 pm

That said, I'm sorta surprised that SA never acquired any A345s.

They seem like the one airline that these things could actually make a significant difference for.
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